leave the building without a signing, if it is within reason, We just freed up a lot of $$$ with OBJ move and this is a significant piece in the puzzle before the draft, to get us competitive next season. With or without getting a QB in the draft or otherwise. MO.
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Actually they only freed up about 3.5 mill for this season.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Oh shit. rain on our parade if he is damaged.
RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler Â
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
Assume DG and the Giants knew his whole history and Â
injury questions. So the fact they brought him anyway is not a deal killer. Keep hope alive. Perfect fit for us it appears. We will go into the draft strong with an interesting game plan (and a lot of picks) if we get this done. Good stuff. Make it happen DG.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
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When they realize, you are a JAG, that's what they do.
Jints don't need a RT in March, they need a RT around
July or so....hence a draft pick works just fine.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
Disagree.
They didn't overpay for Soldier if you look at contracts this year. They paid what they had to pay. Is it a lot yes. I agree with that.
Was Soldier bad last year. No. He was never bad. The Right side of the line was so terrible that there was constant pocket crumbling and Soldier couldn't be effective because if the pocket is crumbling Soldiers style of play is ineffective. He was fine once the OL stabalized.
Hernandez is legitimately good. One thing DG actually is good at is finding OL.
If you don't think this OL is far and away the best it has been since Reese let it crumble at that g-d awful Panthers game (I was at in NC) when the Giants got shut out and lost 1 or 2 aging guys (Snee? someone else?) to injury and he never could fix that in 6 years you are crazy.
What's more the mentality of some of our old OL players no longer here was soft. Zeitler and Hernandez are going to kill you on the field. They will take away your will. It has been a long time since we had that - when Snee/Diehl/Suebart/O'Hara where here those guys kicked ass.
This is our closest to an ass kicking line we have had since then. And I would be surprised if DG doesn't continue to add to this.
If healthy and cheap and as a backup tackle only Â
either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or he’s at the airport and he won’t be a giant.
if healthy he would have made this truly a “ golden” thursday. let’s see what the news is.
I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
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either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or he’s at the airport and he won’t be a giant.
if healthy he would have made this truly a “ golden” thursday. let’s see what the news is.
I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
Agreed - if they don't get him I hope they give Veldeheer or Schraeder a look. All 3 seem pretty comparable at this stage of their careers.
The move I'd regret missing more than Remmers was Marcus Gilbert for a 6th. He's been injured the past 2 years but he has legitimate upside.
RE: concerned that there is no positive news on Remmers. it’s late and Â
In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This!!!
Well mostly...
We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This!!!
Well mostly...
We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.
Agreed - that would be ideal. Have the OT develop into a guy who can play on the left, get out of Solder's deal a little earlier.
Ideally, I'd have Solder here for this year and next, and then we'll cut him before 2021. Cap logistics work out fine at that point.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.
The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.
The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
My scenario above supposes we go defense @ 6 - my thought is we go best available defensive player there.
Then, we focus on OT/WR/CB
Obviously if we don't go defense @ 6 that changes things for me.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
This year's front 7 is so good I hope we double up 6 + 17 (if no QB) Â
ideally with an edge rusher (most likely 1 of Allen, Burns, Sweat, or Ferrell)
and an interior disrupter (most likely 1 of Oliver, Wilkins, Gary)
If Devin White is available at either spot I think they'd be wise to consider him too. I don't expect Williams or Bosa to drop, but in total thats 9 front 7 players who have claims to being as good or superior to the top front 7 prospects of recent years (like Chubb, Floyd, Roquan).
My first choice is to lean all the way into that strength and hopefully increase the chances of coming away with at least 1 "game wrecker".
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.
But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.
Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.
Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.
Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.
But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.
Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.
Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.
Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
The QB issue is a tough one because if you choose the wrong guy you set yourself back. Less so with Rosen, but if you pull the trigger on the face of your franchise it has to be your guy.
Consequently that's why it would be foolish of Kingsbury passes up on Murray (which I suspect he won't).
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.
Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
Remmers upgrades the OL, can play RT over Wheeler for sure I'd say Â
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I love what DG has done in addressing the line. But if you look closer, we only have Hernandez. Solder should be pushed off the roster in 2 years. Remmer, if we sign him, we don't want for more than 2 years. Halapio might work out and the staff have given him a vote of confidence. But I don't think there is anyone that thinks he is the long-term solution. Zeitler is a legit stud who is under contract for 3 years. Can we extend him next year without setting another record OL contract? If not, then we need to look for his replacement in 3 years. We have a lot of short-term answers that are world's better than what we have had in the past 6 years. But we need to keep the pipeline stocked so we aren't back to where we were.
RE: Remmers upgrades the OL, can play RT over Wheeler for sure I'd say Â
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.
Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
But at least with these moves, out future QB won't be destroyed on every dropback.
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He was terrible last year when they move him to guard..he was a goo tackle.
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
My guess is that "happy" is a bit of an overstatement. Having a competent RT gives DG flexibility in the draft in not having to shop hungry. The happiness is more with the realization that we have seen the last of the Wheeler era (hopefully). Ideally any agreement with Remmer is a short-term middling contract. We also don't want to be committing a lot of money in the event a draftee supplants him.
I read that he was coming in tonight and they're meeting with him Â
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
I'll reserve judgment if we sign him to see if he can still Â
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
Right and he is still young. He should be able to get back to that high level if he is put back at his preferred spot at RT.
Seemingly still in the game. If he was off to see another team, we'd know that by now. My guess is last second medical check. If he's sound, my bet is he's signed. We'll know tomorrow -- well, now that's later today.
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My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
He certainly played decently...
What folks are missing here is that even a league average starting RT is a massive improvement over what we have now at RT. I've said this many times, I am not sure Wheeler belongs on an NFL roster, he is a borderline backup. Even though Remmers is not the player that Zeitler is, this is a much bigger upgrade than Zeitler is over Brown.
Actually they only freed up about 3.5 mill for this season.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
And....we wouldn't take "an Osi type guy" in a freaking heartbeat?
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
To be fair, a large tree could beat out wheeler. Bless his heart he’s just not a good starting RT...
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
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In comment 14336712 Jay on the Island said:
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
When they realize, you are a JAG, that's what they do.
Jints don't need a RT in March, they need a RT around
July or so....hence a draft pick works just fine.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
They didn't overpay for Soldier if you look at contracts this year. They paid what they had to pay. Is it a lot yes. I agree with that.
Was Soldier bad last year. No. He was never bad. The Right side of the line was so terrible that there was constant pocket crumbling and Soldier couldn't be effective because if the pocket is crumbling Soldiers style of play is ineffective. He was fine once the OL stabalized.
Hernandez is legitimately good. One thing DG actually is good at is finding OL.
If you don't think this OL is far and away the best it has been since Reese let it crumble at that g-d awful Panthers game (I was at in NC) when the Giants got shut out and lost 1 or 2 aging guys (Snee? someone else?) to injury and he never could fix that in 6 years you are crazy.
What's more the mentality of some of our old OL players no longer here was soft. Zeitler and Hernandez are going to kill you on the field. They will take away your will. It has been a long time since we had that - when Snee/Diehl/Suebart/O'Hara where here those guys kicked ass.
This is our closest to an ass kicking line we have had since then. And I would be surprised if DG doesn't continue to add to this.
if healthy he would have made this truly a “ golden” thursday. let’s see what the news is.
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is a good tackle, and a bad guard. But we need him to be the former. The problem is that others teams do as well.
if healthy he would have made this truly a “ golden” thursday. let’s see what the news is.
I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
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either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or he’s at the airport and he won’t be a giant.
if healthy he would have made this truly a “ golden” thursday. let’s see what the news is.
I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
Agreed - if they don't get him I hope they give Veldeheer or Schraeder a look. All 3 seem pretty comparable at this stage of their careers.
The move I'd regret missing more than Remmers was Marcus Gilbert for a 6th. He's been injured the past 2 years but he has legitimate upside.
if healthy he would have made this truly a “ golden” thursday. let’s see what the news is.
His visit is tomorrow mostly. He came in tonight to have dinner with them
One can dream
One can dream
Seems a perfect fit for us
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This!!!
Well mostly...
We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This!!!
Well mostly...
We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.
Agreed - that would be ideal. Have the OT develop into a guy who can play on the left, get out of Solder's deal a little earlier.
Ideally, I'd have Solder here for this year and next, and then we'll cut him before 2021. Cap logistics work out fine at that point.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.
The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.
The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
My scenario above supposes we go defense @ 6 - my thought is we go best available defensive player there.
Then, we focus on OT/WR/CB
Obviously if we don't go defense @ 6 that changes things for me.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
and an interior disrupter (most likely 1 of Oliver, Wilkins, Gary)
If Devin White is available at either spot I think they'd be wise to consider him too. I don't expect Williams or Bosa to drop, but in total thats 9 front 7 players who have claims to being as good or superior to the top front 7 prospects of recent years (like Chubb, Floyd, Roquan).
My first choice is to lean all the way into that strength and hopefully increase the chances of coming away with at least 1 "game wrecker".
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.
But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.
Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.
Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.
Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.
But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.
Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.
Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.
Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
The QB issue is a tough one because if you choose the wrong guy you set yourself back. Less so with Rosen, but if you pull the trigger on the face of your franchise it has to be your guy.
Consequently that's why it would be foolish of Kingsbury passes up on Murray (which I suspect he won't).
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.
Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
I still think this offense could move the ball IF it uses its remaining personnel effectively.
We really need ex-1st rounder C. Coleman to maybe find his niche and develop into a deep threat #2 wideout!
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I love what DG has done in addressing the line. But if you look closer, we only have Hernandez. Solder should be pushed off the roster in 2 years. Remmer, if we sign him, we don't want for more than 2 years. Halapio might work out and the staff have given him a vote of confidence. But I don't think there is anyone that thinks he is the long-term solution. Zeitler is a legit stud who is under contract for 3 years. Can we extend him next year without setting another record OL contract? If not, then we need to look for his replacement in 3 years. We have a lot of short-term answers that are world's better than what we have had in the past 6 years. But we need to keep the pipeline stocked so we aren't back to where we were.
I still think this offense could move the ball IF it uses its remaining personnel effectively.
We really need ex-1st rounder C. Coleman to maybe find his niche and develop into a deep threat #2 wideout!
I actually liked what I saw from Coleman last year. I think he can do well in our offense.
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.
Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
But at least with these moves, out future QB won't be destroyed on every dropback.
Tua or Fromm next year!
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He was terrible last year when they move him to guard..he was a goo tackle.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
My guess is that "happy" is a bit of an overstatement. Having a competent RT gives DG flexibility in the draft in not having to shop hungry. The happiness is more with the realization that we have seen the last of the Wheeler era (hopefully). Ideally any agreement with Remmer is a short-term middling contract. We also don't want to be committing a lot of money in the event a draftee supplants him.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
Right and he is still young. He should be able to get back to that high level if he is put back at his preferred spot at RT.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
He certainly played decently...
What folks are missing here is that even a league average starting RT is a massive improvement over what we have now at RT. I've said this many times, I am not sure Wheeler belongs on an NFL roster, he is a borderline backup. Even though Remmers is not the player that Zeitler is, this is a much bigger upgrade than Zeitler is over Brown.