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Giants hosting Mike Remmers today

jeff57 : 3/14/2019 10:31 am
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Predictable  
JonC : 3/14/2019 10:31 am : link
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No thank you  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 10:33 am : link
As a starter, but as a backup Iím ok with it.
Good depth  
Capt. Don : 3/14/2019 10:33 am : link
doesnt work against us in comp pick formula.
He was a solid  
Jon in NYC : 3/14/2019 10:33 am : link
RT and poor guard, which is why he was cut. Would be a smart signing.

He beat out Darryl Williams twice in training camp.
If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler  
Ira : 3/14/2019 10:34 am : link
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if he was cut and comes cheap ok  
GiantsFan84 : 3/14/2019 10:35 am : link
if not, pass
Could do better at 17 (Dillard, perhaps)  
The_Boss : 3/14/2019 10:35 am : link
Than come up for air with this guy after dumpster diving.
Good Depth  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/14/2019 10:35 am : link
at the right co$t.
I am good with this  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 10:36 am : link
2 year deal please. No more.

We can pencil him in at RT and draft a guy in rounds 2-4.

He is way better than Wheeler this is for sure,
Via PFF  
KSIXI : 3/14/2019 10:36 am : link
The interior offensive line. Starting guards Mike Remmers and Tom Compton combined to allow a staggering 77 total pressures. Remmers finished with an overall grade of 58.9 (50th among guards)

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-minnesota-vikings-2018-season-recap
Better than Wheeler  
Mike from Ohio : 3/14/2019 10:36 am : link
and likely the best left on the FA market. But none of that means he would be a smart signing. He seems more like a band aid than a solution.
He will not cost much.  
DavidinBMNY : 3/14/2019 10:36 am : link
So it's fine. And signing him wouldn't preclude us from drafting a tackle who can beat him out.
Wasn't he hurt?  
Blue21 : 3/14/2019 10:37 am : link
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We should draft a tackle no matter what  
widmerseyebrow : 3/14/2019 10:37 am : link
but signing this guy to a smart contract would alleviate the need to do it really early.
RE: Could do better at 17 (Dillard, perhaps)  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 10:37 am : link
In comment 14336053 The_Boss said:
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Than come up for air with this guy after dumpster diving.


1. He's a significant upgrade over Wheeler
2. Gives them options for the draft if they don't like the OT options when they're on the board with their 1st 3 picks. Can then grab a RT in the 3rd/4th that might need some development. Or at a minimum force the rookie to face some camp competition.
RE: No thank you  
13ODB : 3/14/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14336040 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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As a starter, but as a backup Iím ok with it.


yea lets start wheeler another year smh
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 10:38 am : link
If he comes here, it's to play tackle - so, the stuff he did at guard seems less important - I'd assume he would just be a backup there if Zeitler were to get hurt and we we wanted to push someone else out to RT.

I like that the comp pick formula would be unaffected and I don't think this will require a huge commit so it doesn't bug me.

Chad Wheeler is really, really bad.

I don't care what our plan is this year - but none of them can involve 16 games of Wheeler @ RT.
he was also cut  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 10:38 am : link
so signing him doesn't affect potential comp picks for next year.
JonC is correct  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 10:39 am : link
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After a 2016 season in which the Vikings offensive line needed an overhaul, Remmers was brought in alongside Riley Reiff as free agent acquisitions to help put a band-aid on the teamís situation up front. After landing a five-year, $30 million contract from Minnesota in free agency, he performed well, allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle.

As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/03/11/minnesota-vikings-release-mike-remmers/ - ( New Window )
should say  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 10:40 am : link
Jon in NYC is correct
Sign Remmers  
YANKEE28 : 3/14/2019 10:40 am : link
and draft a Tackle with pick # 37.
Definitely seems likely  
AcesUp : 3/14/2019 10:41 am : link
Need, familiarity and at the right price point. I do think the Giants are going more analytic and factoring comp pick potential as well. He doesn't factor. Seems like a no brainer. They can still draft a guy to develop for a year behind him as well.
Just about anyone is an improvement over Wheeler  
jeff57 : 3/14/2019 10:41 am : link
And if they draft a RT high, he'd be perfect insurance.
If you get him cheap  
Bill in UT : 3/14/2019 10:41 am : link
he's better than Wheeler at RT. So then you don't have to force a pick for a tackle. You draft someone of value, and if the draft pick wins the job, you've got a vet swing guy who can play tackle and guard.
RE: RE: No thank you  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14336076 13ODB said:
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In comment 14336040 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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As a starter, but as a backup Iím ok with it.



yea lets start wheeler another year smh


I'm assuming he is not going to start because we would draft or pick up someone that is better than him.

He was terrible last year as a starter, I'm making an assumption that they moved him to guard because he wasn't cutting it at Tackle either. Since the Minny offensive line is absolutely putrid.

As a swing tackle or guard, I'm fine with it. As a starter no thanks.
Paying the Vikings back for Mike Rosenthal  
Anakim : 3/14/2019 10:41 am : link
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On a cheap deal it's a good move - depth is a good thing  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 10:42 am : link
and even his bad performances at guard the past couple years were graded significantly higher than Wheeler. Familiarity with the coaching staff is a positive. Good placeholder for whatever OL they draft with 1 of the top 100 picks.
He isn't good  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 10:43 am : link
but he's better than Wheeler. Only way I'd be comfortable with this is if it was really cheap and he comes in t compete, not just giving him the job at RT
yea, Remmers is a low end starter at RT  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 10:43 am : link
stop gap that means they don't need to go RT at #17/#37.
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 10:43 am : link
Also - anyone suggesting we sign him as a backup - LOL. The guy will be paid to start by someone if it's not by us. There's a dearth of quality NFL linemen available right now. He's been a starter for 4 consecutive years and is still 29 years old and has played all over the line.

This guy isn't going somewhere to be a backup.
Signed a 5yr/30M deal  
Sehorn : 3/14/2019 10:43 am : link
2 yrs ago with Minnesota. Solid Vet who did beat out Daryl Williams(who many ppl wanted badly) twice. Also played LT for a full season.
eh, not my first choice  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 10:44 am : link
But let's face it, almost anyone is an improvement on Wheeler.
Here it is  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 10:44 am : link
Sign Mike Remmers to compete with the 17th or the Giants 2nd round pick for the starting job. Whoever loses provides solid depth along with Wheeler, Pulley, and hopefully a mid round pick.
RE: He isn't good  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 10:44 am : link
In comment 14336110 ryanmkeane said:
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but he's better than Wheeler. Only way I'd be comfortable with this is if it was really cheap and he comes in t compete, not just giving him the job at RT


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allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle
is infinitely better than we have now.
RE: .  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14336112 arcarsenal said:
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Also - anyone suggesting we sign him as a backup - LOL. The guy will be paid to start by someone if it's not by us. There's a dearth of quality NFL linemen available right now. He's been a starter for 4 consecutive years and is still 29 years old and has played all over the line.

This guy isn't going somewhere to be a backup.


Erick Flowers has been a starter in NFL for 4 years, should we resign him?
Really good Move..  
chuckydee9 : 3/14/2019 10:46 am : link
but lets not go into training camp with him and wheeler as the only options..
Hmm interesting  
Johnny5 : 3/14/2019 10:47 am : link
Probably can be had cheaply because he was such a poor guard. Even if he's middle of the pack at RT (and it seems that's about where he falls as a T) that's another upgraded position on the OL. Slightly upgraded... but still upgraded. Baby steps Bob...

Baby steps get on the bus, baby steps down the aisle, baby steps...
Well, we were promised 'multiple stickies' yesterday, and here they  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/14/2019 10:48 am : link
are! Chris Hogan and Remmers! Keep working them phones, Gettleman!
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14336124 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14336112 arcarsenal said:


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Also - anyone suggesting we sign him as a backup - LOL. The guy will be paid to start by someone if it's not by us. There's a dearth of quality NFL linemen available right now. He's been a starter for 4 consecutive years and is still 29 years old and has played all over the line.

This guy isn't going somewhere to be a backup.



Erick Flowers has been a starter in NFL for 4 years, should we resign him?


Ereck Flowers has no history of performing at a capable level in the NFL. Terrible analogy.
Eric  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 10:48 am : link
I agree with your thinking, but just because someone is better than Wheeler, does not mean he should automatically be starting for us. We need a long term, really good player at RT. Remmers is not that. That being said, he can be a good signing for the right price.
I'll go with whats been posted and say  
Dinger : 3/14/2019 10:49 am : link
sign him. Then try to improve upon him in the draft or next year. Trying to learn a new position in the middle of the year is tough. I'll give him that out. But as a side note, I wish every one on here wasn't so pre-occupied by the comp pick calculation. If a player can make your team better, why would you pass him by on the chance that you get a 3rd round pick?
He sounds a lot like Diehl  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 10:50 am : link
Can play guard but is better at OT.
If we sign Remmers  
Capt. Don : 3/14/2019 10:50 am : link
it will not impact our drafting strategy in any way. Good depth and means we dont have to force a RT pick early.

Not ideal but infinitely better than Wheeler.
It doesn't have to be an either/or  
TheMick7 : 3/14/2019 10:50 am : link
You can sign him & still draft an OT at 17. Remmers is not going to break the bank!
Sounds like he could be a good place holder  
ZogZerg : 3/14/2019 10:50 am : link
until a Rookie gets up-to-speed.
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 10:51 am : link
Wheeler cannot start. Do we all agree with that?

We need to make a move like this or we need to spend pick 17 or 37 on someone.

I am fairly certain Dave Gettleman knows he cannot send this team out there with Wheeler starting again. So, someone else will be brought in.
Take a RT in the Draft  
Percy : 3/14/2019 10:52 am : link
And start him (e.g.,Taylor). Yes, it costs a number one, but that's where we are. Don't bother with these leftovers.
I can get behind  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 10:53 am : link
a plan that signs Remmers for a not crazy deal to compete with a rookie at RT
We have nobody  
greek13 : 3/14/2019 10:53 am : link
On our roster that can play nfl RT. IMHO Wheeler will be cut in training camp.
We need a FA and a draft pick.
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Anakim : 3/14/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14336162 arcarsenal said:
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Wheeler cannot start. Do we all agree with that?

We need to make a move like this or we need to spend pick 17 or 37 on someone.

I am fairly certain Dave Gettleman knows he cannot send this team out there with Wheeler starting again. So, someone else will be brought in.


Yes
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 10:55 am : link
In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.
Remmers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 10:55 am : link
is more than a typical stop-gap.
We need a RT and a C  
ij_reilly : 3/14/2019 10:58 am : link
Remmers and Sullivan ought to be cheap.

Their replacements should be drafter this year.

OL
Solder-Hernandez-Sullivan-Zietler-Remmers

RE: Remmers  
AcesUp : 3/14/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14336188 Eric from BBI said:
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is more than a typical stop-gap.


I agree and curious to see what kind of deal he goes for. Played out of position last year which hurt his value, he might want a 1 year with the assurance he's starting at RT to possibly cash in next year.
RE: We need a RT and a C  
Anakim : 3/14/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14336200 ij_reilly said:
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Remmers and Sullivan ought to be cheap.

Their replacements should be drafter this year.

OL
Solder-Hernandez-Sullivan-Zietler-Remmers



I think Shurmur intends to have Pio and Pulley battle it out for the starting job.
Remmers has played a solid RT in the NFL  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:01 am : link
and he would figure to be the swing tackle if they draft a better, and ready rookie.
RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14336185 arcarsenal said:
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.

Andre Dillard would be ideal. A guy who can can play RT but will eventually move over to LT in 2 years should be the focus.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14336217 Jay on the Island said:
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.


Andre Dillard would be ideal. A guy who can can play RT but will eventually move over to LT in 2 years should be the focus.


Agree - I am definitely on board w/ Dillard.
As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:06 am : link
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
RE: Here it is  
TMS : 3/14/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14336118 Jay on the Island said:
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Sign Mike Remmers to compete with the 17th or the Giants 2nd round pick for the starting job. Whoever loses provides solid depth along with Wheeler, Pulley, and hopefully a mid round pick.
Like that plan.
His contract was for $6M per  
Bill in UT : 3/14/2019 11:06 am : link
Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe
RE: .  
Jon in NYC : 3/14/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14336185 arcarsenal said:
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.


This. They seem to be really interested in Cody Ford.
Remmers would be good to get on a two year deal.....  
Simms11 : 3/14/2019 11:08 am : link
then draft a RT in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. As DG would say, donít go shopping hungry. Need to add quality depth now as well so that the line doesnít deteriorate again. Develop the drafted Tackle and then have him take over at Right or Left once Solderís contract is up.
RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14336225 Jay on the Island said:
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick


Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
RE: RE: We need a RT and a C  
TMS : 3/14/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14336213 Anakim said:
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In comment 14336200 ij_reilly said:


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Remmers and Sullivan ought to be cheap.

Their replacements should be drafter this year.

OL
Solder-Hernandez-Sullivan-Zietler-Remmers





I think Shurmur intends to have Pio and Pulley battle it out for the starting job.
SHurmur shoild make that call. He certainly knows the center position with his background.
RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14336242 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14336225 Jay on the Island said:


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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.

Luckily for us this is the strongest center draft class in years. I hope they add a center with one of their 4th round picks.
Let me understand......He played for Shurmur and started at RT.  
George from PA : 3/14/2019 11:13 am : link
On a team that ran well and Keanan had time to throw and should come cheap, correct?

Sign me up.

I have no 1st hand knowledge of him....but I have 1st hand knowledge of Wheeler.

I rather not trust any rookies as starter on the OL....and prefer to defense with the premium pucks.


And let DG find some 4th and 5th round gems to develop as backups along OL.
Bradbury at 17  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 11:13 am : link
is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Not a splashy move but would be more than solid.  
j_rud : 3/14/2019 11:13 am : link
As others have pointed out he's started all over the line and twice beat out Daryl Williams for the Panthers RT spot. And while of course that speaks to Williams developing as a mid round pick, it also speaks to Remmers being a seasoned vet who has thrived in the face of NFL competition.
RE: JonC is correct  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14336082 Eric from BBI said:
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After a 2016 season in which the Vikings offensive line needed an overhaul, Remmers was brought in alongside Riley Reiff as free agent acquisitions to help put a band-aid on the teamís situation up front. After landing a five-year, $30 million contract from Minnesota in free agency, he performed well, allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle.

As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/03/11/minnesota-vikings-release-mike-remmers/ - ( New Window )


I get this isnt D Williams and am not thrilled with how weve been shut out in FA. This feels like the pre Reese and Accorsi days when we didn't seem to make any significant signings in the offseason.

In any event, Remmers at RT was a very different story than Remmers at RG. Some guys are position versatile and some arent...its just how it is. If he can replicate what he did a couple seasons ago at RT we will have ourselves an average to above average starter at the position. Keep in mind Saquon looked pretty darn good and Eli improved when the line became just passable 2nd half last year. Remmers would be a very,very big upgrade over the remaining weakest link on the line in Wheeler. You are going from one of the worst graded RTs in the NFL to if he comes near his RT grades from prior a guy who is in the top half of RTs.
RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler  
mittenedman : 3/14/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14336051 Ira said:
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Exactly. Raises the floor at the RT position.
Furthermore  
Lionhart28 : 3/14/2019 11:16 am : link
Remmers would have a highly capable guard next to him, unlike Wheeler.

I would love it on a reasonable deal. Like others said, maybe you take a tackle now who can compete at RT right away but maybe projects to LT down the road.
plus Shurmur is familiar with him  
Dave on the UWS : 3/14/2019 11:17 am : link
from the 2017 season in Minn. so he knows what he's getting.
RE: Bradbury at 17  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14336256 ryanmkeane said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us


Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6

Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17

Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
RE: RE: Bradbury at 17  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14336270 Pan-handler said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us



Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6

Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17

Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37


Speak it Pan Handler
RE: RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14336260 mittenedman said:
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Exactly. Raises the floor at the RT position.


Substantially raises the floor. We have 3 out of 5 guys on the OL who have decent potential to be good to excellent : Solder, Hernandez and Zietler. Thats 60% of the line. If we land Remmers, wed be substantially upgrading the worst remaining starter and then hope that Pio is an upgrade over Pulley. And thats not counting anything we get in the draft either.
Remmers  
AcidTest : 3/14/2019 11:24 am : link
is a good tackle, and a bad guard. But we need him to be the former. The problem is that others teams do as well.
RE: RE: RE: Bradbury at 17  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14336277 Rjanyg said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us



Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6

Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17

Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37



Speak it Pan Handler


Lol...obviously not everyone of thise guys will drop to said position but this is a DEEP red chip class so those names arent necessarily impossible to drop. We are talking early 2nd not 3rd and we saw Hernandez make it to us last year.
I'm out on  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 11:27 am : link
Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.
Multiple teams interested  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:28 am : link
But he's coming here first. That's usually a positive sign. The proverbial 'don't let him leave without signing' is obviously in effect.

Block for Barkley, familiarity with coaching staff. Lets see if we make this happen.

...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 11:29 am : link

Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
44m44 minutes ago

Dan Duggan Retweeted Brett Tessler

Would be surprised if this visit ends without a contract
RE: I'm out on  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14336295 ryanmkeane said:
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.


Osi is easily worth the 6th pick in a draft. Bonafide pass rushers with some size have huge value in the NFL
RE: I'm out on  
mphbullet36 : 3/14/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14336295 ryanmkeane said:
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.


Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.

Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
RE: ...  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14336310 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
44m44 minutes ago

Dan Duggan Retweeted Brett Tessler

Would be surprised if this visit ends without a contract


Oh boy....lets see...not holding my breath till its official
RE: RE: I'm out on  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14336315 mphbullet36 said:
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.



Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.

Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!


Well said mph
You wouldn't  
mittenedman : 3/14/2019 11:31 am : link
take another Osi at #6? C'mon now. In any event - Sweat is nothing like Osi. He's very similar to Chandler Jones.
upgrade to Wheeler  
bluepepper : 3/14/2019 11:34 am : link
and let's us use earlier picks on the D. Draft a couple of T's in later rounds and hopefully one of them develops into Remmers' replacment in a year or two.
Remmers  
Sammo85 : 3/14/2019 11:34 am : link
is a good RT option for a year to allow Gettleman to draft and have a prospect developed and for depth purposes.

Vikings did some weird things with their offensive line and I think some of it has to do with being in flux from coordinators last two to three years, changing QBs and also Zimmer trying to fight off pass heavy offense and insist on run game still.
RE: Bradbury at 17  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14336256 ryanmkeane said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us


Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
Wheeler  
Marty866b : 3/14/2019 11:35 am : link
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
RE: RE: Bradbury at 17  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:40 am : link
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us



Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.

I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
I would want our #6 pick  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 11:41 am : link
this year to be better than Osi, yes.
RE: Wheeler  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14336340 Marty866b said:
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.


It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.

If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
RE: RE: RE: Bradbury at 17  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 11:46 am : link
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I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.


With 12 picks, I'd be surprised if 2 aren't used on the OL (1 interior and 1 OT). Zeitler should shore up the middle and I think Soldier will be better this year, but they're still both getting older and now's the time to start grooming replacements, not to mention the holes still at C/RT. And if those replacements are ready sooner than expected you can move on from Soldier/Zeitler a year early, rather than a year late.
RE: RE: Wheeler  
bluepepper : 3/14/2019 11:46 am : link
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.



It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.

If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.

I remember when we brought this guy in there was a lot of talk about him needing to get stronger. Which to me was odd since he had been with an elite college program for 5 years. If strength was still an issue it didn't bode real well. Now 2 years in seems like he's still not strong enough. Was hoping he could at least be a depth kind of guy but now thinking may be time to move on.
RE: Wheeler  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14336340 Marty866b said:
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.


Marty some guys are only really suited for 1 position. I think you are right on Wheeler , he is a pure LT. Anyone remember Luke Petitgout? Sucked everywhere on the line but became a borderline top player at LT before back problems took over.
RE: Wheeler  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14336340 Marty866b said:
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.


I agree Wheeler is a better LT. Remmers would be a good RT for us but I believe they will target an OT somewhere in this draft between rounds 2-4 to develop. Might now be room for Wheeler on this team come September.
RE: His contract was for $6M per  
DavidinBMNY : 3/14/2019 11:57 am : link
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Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe
No way for $3M. $5M.
Remmers on a 2-year affordable contract  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 12:00 pm : link
would be very, very solid.
bluepepper  
Marty866b : 3/14/2019 12:01 pm : link
Wheeler came to USC as a 265 pound defensive player who was converted. He has been adding needed weight and strength.
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Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 12:04 pm : link
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Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe

No way for $3M. $5M.


Remmers was on a 5 year deal for 6 per. Market has went up since then.

Omameh got 3yrs 15 mill last year. Remmers is likely getting 6 per again or 3 for $21M
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2cents : 3/14/2019 12:19 pm : link
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Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe

No way for $3M. $5M.



Remmers was on a 5 year deal for 6 per. Market has went up since then.

Omameh got 3yrs 15 mill last year. Remmers is likely getting 6 per again or 3 for $21M



the market has gone up but his performance has gone down. Needs to be considered. I think we will see closer to omameh values.
RE: Remmers has played a solid RT in the NFL  
Big Blue '56 : 3/14/2019 12:24 pm : link
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and he would figure to be the swing tackle if they draft a better, and ready rookie.


Bingo
RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Carson53 : 3/14/2019 12:36 pm : link
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
This would be a solid hedge  
WillVAB : 3/14/2019 12:42 pm : link
In the event a RT they want isnít there in the draft and/or a superior defensive player is sitting there for them.
RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 12:43 pm : link
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.

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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.


You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.

Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )

The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.

Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA

Together....could be a very good line.
RE: RE: Remmers has played a solid RT in the NFL  
Steve in Greenwich : 3/14/2019 12:44 pm : link
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and he would figure to be the swing tackle if they draft a better, and ready rookie.



Bingo

Think this is absolutely the course of action. Shurmur said a multitude of times during his last couple of weekly interviews of the season with Francesa that his & Gettlemens belief is that every single offseason you should continue to upgrade the line. They felt that each offseason both a free agent lineman should be brought in and a lineman should be drafted to ensure competition and growth of the line. Could easily see both Remmers coming over and a high draft pick coming to battle out for the starting RT job with the loser getting the swing T backup G spot.
Remmers is getting 6-8 million per  
larryflower37 : 3/14/2019 12:45 pm : link
If you want him not to leave its going to be a 3 or 4 year deal.
4 yr 28 million-14 guaranteed.

Just a guess.
RE: Remmers is getting 6-8 million per  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 12:46 pm : link
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If you want him not to leave its going to be a 3 or 4 year deal.
4 yr 28 million-14 guaranteed.

Just a guess.


Yeah, this is likely the range.
...  
BleedBlue : 3/14/2019 12:48 pm : link
this move would give them serious draft flexibility. they can use their first three on impact defensive players to turn the Defense around and go OL in next offseason if they wanted to.

#6-d white
#17-b burns
#37-adderly/greedy williams/ferguson


now THAT turns this defense around big time along with a young peppers and beal
RE: RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Carson53 : 3/14/2019 12:48 pm : link
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.

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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.



You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.

Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )

The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.

Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA

Together....could be a very good line.
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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 12:52 pm : link
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.

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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.



You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.

Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )

The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.

Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA

Together....could be a very good line.

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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.


Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
Heís a good swing T option...  
Torrag : 3/14/2019 12:55 pm : link
...and better OL depth than anyone currently on the roster. Donít want to see him starting games.
I think they see this guy at RG  
VinegarPeppers : 3/14/2019 12:59 pm : link
With Zietler moved out to RT. He has the long arms, is an outstanding pass blocker and has good quickness.

Just a thought.
RE: Heís a good swing T option...  
VinegarPeppers : 3/14/2019 1:00 pm : link
He graded out at 85.7 at guard. Thats pretty decent.



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...and better OL depth than anyone currently on the roster. Donít want to see him starting games.
RE: Remmers  
VinegarPeppers : 3/14/2019 1:01 pm : link
He graded at 85+ at guard.

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is a good tackle, and a bad guard. But we need him to be the former. The problem is that others teams do as well.
RE: I think they see this guy at RG  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 1:04 pm : link
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With Zietler moved out to RT. He has the long arms, is an outstanding pass blocker and has good quickness.

Just a thought.


I don't think they are moving the short armed Zietler out. He's a pro bowl caliber OG and we aint gonna mess with that. Besides shoring up the interior for an immoble Eli is huge to keep the instant pressure off him thru the A gaps as well as for the Play action game (which is heavy in Shurmurs system). Remmers played RT for Shurmur and also for Shula in Carolina. From multiple reports, His performance at RT was substantially better than RG.

VinegarPeppers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 1:05 pm : link
Nope.

First of all, Zeitler's best position is right guard.

Second of all, Remmer's best position is right tackle.

Moving them would make no sense.
From Schwartz  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 1:05 pm : link
Remmers, 29, is a six-year veteran with 64 NFL starts. He was signed by the Panthers in 2014 when Gettleman was the general manager in Carolina, beat out rookie Daryl Williams and won the starting job at right tackle. Remmers was part a team that went 17-1 and made it to the Super Bowl. Mike Shula, the Giants offensive coordinator, ran the offense for the Panthers during that season. So, there are plenty of people in the building who know all there is to know about Remmers.

In 2017, Remmers signed a five-year, $30 million contract with the Vikings, with Shurmur on the scene as the offensive coordinator in Minnesota. Remmers started 11 games at right tackle that season, but in 2018 was moved inside to right guard and started 16 games. He was released by the Vikings on Monday.

Right tackle is the last piece to the offensive line puzzle for the Giants. They acquired Kevin Zeitler from the Browns in a trade for Olivier Vernon, and Zeitler moves in as the starting right guard. Last season, Chad Wheeler, 25, started the final 14 games at right tackle after Ereck Flowers was benched. The Giants see Wheeler as more of a backup at both left and right tackle.


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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Carson53 : 3/14/2019 1:07 pm : link
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.

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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.



You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.

Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )

The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.

Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA

Together....could be a very good line.

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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.



Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
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Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
Carson53  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 1:12 pm : link
You can't count on a rookie OL to start, especially if it isn't a 1st rounder.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 1:13 pm : link
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.

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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.



You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.

Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )

The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.

Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA

Together....could be a very good line.

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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.



Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.

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Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.


Carson, I agree that drafting a OL or 2 with all the picks we have. We still need to fill the RT position. Don't want to shop hungry. Just because Remmers was cut doesn't mean anything. Players are cut all the time for cap reasons. Do you know why Remmers was cut? I don't but we can both assume it was cost, performance or a younger cheaper player is ready to play on their right side.

We NEED a Right Tackle today. You have your opinion I have mine. I will be happy with a signing of Remmers.
RE: Carson53  
Carson53 : 3/14/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14336651 Eric from BBI said:
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You can't count on a rookie OL to start, especially if it isn't a 1st rounder.
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Then you haven't been paying close enough attention
around this league Eric, happens very frequently.
I mentioned the Colts and Saints on the other thread,
and now that I think of it, the Chiefs as well.
Those are just three teams off the top of my head.
Keep in mind, the Giants are in rebuild, people have to
accept that now, not that it excites me, but...
They have the 17th pick, and they have a
second round pick.
I would assume the Giants know  
Bill in UT : 3/14/2019 1:18 pm : link
what the market is and if they aren't willing to pay it they wouldn't bother bringing him in today
RE: Carson53  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14336651 Eric from BBI said:
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You can't count on a rookie OL to start, especially if it isn't a 1st rounder.


In deep OL drafts the early second has proven fruitful even for us (Snee and Hernandez). But to your point there will be some inconsistency early on (as we say in Willie 1st half of year ).

You bring in a vet like Remmers, We would then have the luxury should we choose a Risner type in the early second to ease him in (lest of course we bring in a guy to compete right away for the OC starting job)
Do think DG lets Remmers  
TMS : 3/14/2019 1:19 pm : link
leave the building without a signing, if it is within reason, We just freed up a lot of $$$ with OBJ move and this is a significant piece in the puzzle before the draft, to get us competitive next season. With or without getting a QB in the draft or otherwise. MO.
Carson53  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 1:20 pm : link
Never said it can't be done. But it's very risky. There are no guarantees that a drafted rookie OL is ready to start. Often they are not.

What if the draft doesn't fall the way the Giants hope and they don't draft an OL in the first three rounds?
Should be  
TMS : 3/14/2019 1:21 pm : link
DO NOT think DG ..............withut a signing .......
Guys found this nugget on Remmers  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 1:25 pm : link
As Tessler points out, Remmers played under current Giants coach Pat Shurmur in Minnesota, when Shurmur was his offensive coordinator. The Vikings released Remmers a few days ago after a two year stint in Minnesota. He started all 16 games for the Vikings last year, but his salary proved to be too expensive to keep him around. He was cut with an failed physical designation, as heís apparently dealing with an unknown injury. Remmers had been the Panthersí starting right tackle in 2016, then signed a five-year $30MM deal with the Vikings in March of 2017.

We now have some details on Mike RemmersĎ release from the Vikings earlier today. Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle points out (on Twitter) that the offensive lineman was cut with a ďfailed physical designation.Ē ESPNís Courtney Cronin notes (via Twitter) that the 29-year-old was listed on Minnesotaís final injury report of the season with a back injury, but he proceeded to play the entire game.

This provides a bit of reasoning for why the Vikings decided to bail on Remmers after inking him to a five-year, $30MM in 2017. In fact, it sounds like Minnesota is actually considering bringing Remmers back. Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press tweets that the team would considering re-signing the lineman on a lesser deal.

The move ultimately saved the organization $4.55MM against $1.8MM in dead cap. The veteran has experience playing both offensive guard and offensive tackle, so a team will surely bite on his versatility.
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Remmers is the perfect target  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 1:26 pm : link
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
RE: Do think DG lets Remmers  
Carson53 : 3/14/2019 1:27 pm : link
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leave the building without a signing, if it is within reason, We just freed up a lot of $$$ with OBJ move and this is a significant piece in the puzzle before the draft, to get us competitive next season. With or without getting a QB in the draft or otherwise. MO.
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Actually they only freed up about 3.5 mill for this season.
RE: Remmers is the perfect target  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14336712 Jay on the Island said:
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.


Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
RE: I'm out on  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/14/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14336295 ryanmkeane said:
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.


And....we wouldn't take "an Osi type guy" in a freaking heartbeat?
I know many have been waiting for this post,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/14/2019 1:28 pm : link
so I canít disappoint. Remmers will be 30 in a few weeks..:)
RE: RE: Remmers is the perfect target  
Carson53 : 3/14/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14336721 Pan-handler said:
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.



Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.


Ha!
RE: RE: RE: Remmers is the perfect target  
TMS : 3/14/2019 1:47 pm : link
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.



Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.



Ha!
Oh shit. rain on our parade if he is damaged.
RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler  
djm : 3/14/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14336051 Ira said:
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To be fair, a large tree could beat out wheeler. Bless his heart heís just not a good starting RT...
RE: RE: RE: Remmers is the perfect target  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 2:12 pm : link
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.



Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.



Ha!


Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
Assume DG and the Giants knew his whole history and  
TMS : 3/14/2019 2:54 pm : link
injury questions. So the fact they brought him anyway is not a deal killer. Keep hope alive. Perfect fit for us it appears. We will go into the draft strong with an interesting game plan (and a lot of picks) if we get this done. Good stuff. Make it happen DG.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Remmers is the perfect target  
Carson53 : 3/14/2019 3:30 pm : link
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.



Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.



Ha!



Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
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When they realize, you are a JAG, that's what they do.
Jints don't need a RT in March, they need a RT around
July or so....hence a draft pick works just fine.
So when do we hear if he signed?  
George from PA : 3/14/2019 4:12 pm : link
When do these visit end?
If doesnt sign  
XBRONX : 3/14/2019 4:32 pm : link
today, he ain't coming back.
If heís turning 30...  
ArlingtonMike : 3/14/2019 6:01 pm : link
...then heís DGs kinda guy. Wonít sign guys to a second contract but loves the third :)
It's 6pm in NY  
Bill in UT : 3/14/2019 6:12 pm : link
Still nothing on Remmers. Does anyone know if he's in the building or gone?
Question re Signing a Visiting Vet  
Percy : 3/14/2019 6:22 pm : link
Do they do their own physical on the guy before signing the offer or what?
seems average, which would be an upgrade.  
Heisenberg : 3/14/2019 6:22 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
DavidinBMNY : 3/14/2019 7:09 pm : link
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.

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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
Disagree.

They didn't overpay for Soldier if you look at contracts this year. They paid what they had to pay. Is it a lot yes. I agree with that.

Was Soldier bad last year. No. He was never bad. The Right side of the line was so terrible that there was constant pocket crumbling and Soldier couldn't be effective because if the pocket is crumbling Soldiers style of play is ineffective. He was fine once the OL stabalized.

Hernandez is legitimately good. One thing DG actually is good at is finding OL.

If you don't think this OL is far and away the best it has been since Reese let it crumble at that g-d awful Panthers game (I was at in NC) when the Giants got shut out and lost 1 or 2 aging guys (Snee? someone else?) to injury and he never could fix that in 6 years you are crazy.

What's more the mentality of some of our old OL players no longer here was soft. Zeitler and Hernandez are going to kill you on the field. They will take away your will. It has been a long time since we had that - when Snee/Diehl/Suebart/O'Hara where here those guys kicked ass.

This is our closest to an ass kicking line we have had since then. And I would be surprised if DG doesn't continue to add to this.
If healthy and cheap and as a backup tackle only  
rdt288 : 3/14/2019 7:20 pm : link
He blows at guard.
concerned that there is no positive news on Remmers. itís late and  
plato : 3/14/2019 7:30 pm : link
either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or heís at the airport and he wonít be a giant.

if healthy he would have made this truly a ď goldenĒ thursday. letís see what the news is.
RE: RE: Remmers  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/14/2019 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14336599 VinegarPeppers said:
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He graded at 85+ at guard.

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is a good tackle, and a bad guard. But we need him to be the former. The problem is that others teams do as well.

what are you fucking ubatz?
RE: concerned that there is no positive news on Remmers. itís late and  
Matt in SGS : 3/14/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14338260 plato said:
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either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or heís at the airport and he wonít be a giant.

if healthy he would have made this truly a ď goldenĒ thursday. letís see what the news is.


I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
RE: RE: concerned that there is no positive news on Remmers. itís late and  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14338267 Matt in SGS said:
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either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or heís at the airport and he wonít be a giant.

if healthy he would have made this truly a ď goldenĒ thursday. letís see what the news is.



I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.


Agreed - if they don't get him I hope they give Veldeheer or Schraeder a look. All 3 seem pretty comparable at this stage of their careers.

The move I'd regret missing more than Remmers was Marcus Gilbert for a 6th. He's been injured the past 2 years but he has legitimate upside.
RE: concerned that there is no positive news on Remmers. itís late and  
Strahan91 : 3/14/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14338260 plato said:
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either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or heís at the airport and he wonít be a giant.

if healthy he would have made this truly a ď goldenĒ thursday. letís see what the news is.

His visit is tomorrow mostly. He came in tonight to have dinner with them
Could you imagine drafting Risner  
ArlingtonMike : 3/14/2019 7:48 pm : link
And plugging him in at center? Some predict heíll be better there than RT and he started out at C in college

One can dream
RE: Could you imagine drafting Risner  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14338323 ArlingtonMike said:
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And plugging him in at center? Some predict heíll be better there than RT and he started out at C in college

One can dream


Seems a perfect fit for us
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.McL. : 3/14/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14336185 arcarsenal said:
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.

This!!!

Well mostly...

We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.

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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 7:57 pm : link
I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14338337 .McL. said:
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.


This!!!

Well mostly...

We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.


Agreed - that would be ideal. Have the OT develop into a guy who can play on the left, get out of Solder's deal a little earlier.

Ideally, I'd have Solder here for this year and next, and then we'll cut him before 2021. Cap logistics work out fine at that point.
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14338344 arcarsenal said:
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I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)


Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.

The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14338359 Eric on Li said:
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I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)



Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.

The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.


My scenario above supposes we go defense @ 6 - my thought is we go best available defensive player there.

Then, we focus on OT/WR/CB

Obviously if we don't go defense @ 6 that changes things for me.
RE: .  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/14/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14338344 arcarsenal said:
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I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)


I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
This year's front 7 is so good I hope we double up 6 + 17 (if no QB)  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 8:21 pm : link
ideally with an edge rusher (most likely 1 of Allen, Burns, Sweat, or Ferrell)
and an interior disrupter (most likely 1 of Oliver, Wilkins, Gary)

If Devin White is available at either spot I think they'd be wise to consider him too. I don't expect Williams or Bosa to drop, but in total thats 9 front 7 players who have claims to being as good or superior to the top front 7 prospects of recent years (like Chubb, Floyd, Roquan).

My first choice is to lean all the way into that strength and hopefully increase the chances of coming away with at least 1 "game wrecker".
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14338371 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)



I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO


Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.

But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.

Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.

Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.

Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
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.McL. : 3/14/2019 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14338344 arcarsenal said:
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I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)

He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14338390 arcarsenal said:
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Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.

But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.

Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.

Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.

Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.


The QB issue is a tough one because if you choose the wrong guy you set yourself back. Less so with Rosen, but if you pull the trigger on the face of your franchise it has to be your guy.

Consequently that's why it would be foolish of Kingsbury passes up on Murray (which I suspect he won't).
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14338392 .McL. said:
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I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)


He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.


I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.

Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
Remmers upgrades the OL, can play RT over Wheeler for sure I'd say  
SGMen : 3/14/2019 8:36 pm : link
Hey, veteran for the OL would be big.

I still think this offense could move the ball IF it uses its remaining personnel effectively.

We really need ex-1st rounder C. Coleman to maybe find his niche and develop into a deep threat #2 wideout!
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Diver_Down : 3/14/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14338392 .McL. said:
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I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)


He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.


I love what DG has done in addressing the line. But if you look closer, we only have Hernandez. Solder should be pushed off the roster in 2 years. Remmer, if we sign him, we don't want for more than 2 years. Halapio might work out and the staff have given him a vote of confidence. But I don't think there is anyone that thinks he is the long-term solution. Zeitler is a legit stud who is under contract for 3 years. Can we extend him next year without setting another record OL contract? If not, then we need to look for his replacement in 3 years. We have a lot of short-term answers that are world's better than what we have had in the past 6 years. But we need to keep the pipeline stocked so we aren't back to where we were.
RE: Remmers upgrades the OL, can play RT over Wheeler for sure I'd say  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/14/2019 8:40 pm : link
In comment 14338407 SGMen said:
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Hey, veteran for the OL would be big.

I still think this offense could move the ball IF it uses its remaining personnel effectively.

We really need ex-1st rounder C. Coleman to maybe find his niche and develop into a deep threat #2 wideout!


I actually liked what I saw from Coleman last year. I think he can do well in our offense.
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.McL. : 3/14/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14338403 arcarsenal said:
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I really want to get this one done.

If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.

(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)


He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.



I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.

Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.


But at least with these moves, out future QB won't be destroyed on every dropback.

Tua or Fromm next year!

Confused why people are happy with this?  
Festina Lente : 3/14/2019 8:45 pm : link
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
RE: Confused why people are happy with this?  
section125 : 3/14/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14338420 Festina Lente said:
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.


He was terrible last year when they move him to guard..he was a goo tackle.
RE: Confused why people are happy with this?  
Diver_Down : 3/14/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14338420 Festina Lente said:
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.


My guess is that "happy" is a bit of an overstatement. Having a competent RT gives DG flexibility in the draft in not having to shop hungry. The happiness is more with the realization that we have seen the last of the Wheeler era (hopefully). Ideally any agreement with Remmer is a short-term middling contract. We also don't want to be committing a lot of money in the event a draftee supplants him.
I read that he was coming in tonight and they're meeting with him  
yatqb : 3/14/2019 8:50 pm : link
through tomorrow.
RE: Confused why people are happy with this?  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14338420 Festina Lente said:
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.


He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
I'll reserve judgment if we sign him to see if he can still  
yatqb : 3/14/2019 9:07 pm : link
play RT well. He really was awful at OG.
RE: RE: Confused why people are happy with this?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/14/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14338430 arcarsenal said:
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.



He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.


My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
RE: RE: RE: Confused why people are happy with this?  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14338455 Big Blue '56 said:
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.



He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.



My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv


Right and he is still young. He should be able to get back to that high level if he is put back at his preferred spot at RT.
Where Are We On Remmer?  
Percy : 3/15/2019 12:42 am : link
Seemingly still in the game. If he was off to see another team, we'd know that by now. My guess is last second medical check. If he's sound, my bet is he's signed. We'll know tomorrow -- well, now that's later today.
RE: RE: RE: Confused why people are happy with this?  
.McL. : 3/15/2019 5:18 am : link
In comment 14338455 Big Blue '56 said:
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My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv


He certainly played decently...

What folks are missing here is that even a league average starting RT is a massive improvement over what we have now at RT. I've said this many times, I am not sure Wheeler belongs on an NFL roster, he is a borderline backup. Even though Remmers is not the player that Zeitler is, this is a much bigger upgrade than Zeitler is over Brown.
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