The interior offensive line. Starting guards Mike Remmers and Tom Compton combined to allow a staggering 77 total pressures. Remmers finished with an overall grade of 58.9 (50th among guards)
Than come up for air with this guy after dumpster diving.
1. He's a significant upgrade over Wheeler
2. Gives them options for the draft if they don't like the OT options when they're on the board with their 1st 3 picks. Can then grab a RT in the 3rd/4th that might need some development. Or at a minimum force the rookie to face some camp competition.
If he comes here, it's to play tackle - so, the stuff he did at guard seems less important - I'd assume he would just be a backup there if Zeitler were to get hurt and we we wanted to push someone else out to RT.
I like that the comp pick formula would be unaffected and I don't think this will require a huge commit so it doesn't bug me.
Chad Wheeler is really, really bad.
I don't care what our plan is this year - but none of them can involve 16 games of Wheeler @ RT.
After a 2016 season in which the Vikings offensive line needed an overhaul, Remmers was brought in alongside Riley Reiff as free agent acquisitions to help put a band-aid on the teams situation up front. After landing a five-year, $30 million contract from Minnesota in free agency, he performed well, allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle.
As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.
Need, familiarity and at the right price point. I do think the Giants are going more analytic and factoring comp pick potential as well. He doesn't factor. Seems like a no brainer. They can still draft a guy to develop for a year behind him as well.
he's better than Wheeler at RT. So then you don't have to force a pick for a tackle. You draft someone of value, and if the draft pick wins the job, you've got a vet swing guy who can play tackle and guard.
I'm assuming he is not going to start because we would draft or pick up someone that is better than him.
He was terrible last year as a starter, I'm making an assumption that they moved him to guard because he wasn't cutting it at Tackle either. Since the Minny offensive line is absolutely putrid.
As a swing tackle or guard, I'm fine with it. As a starter no thanks.
and even his bad performances at guard the past couple years were graded significantly higher than Wheeler. Familiarity with the coaching staff is a positive. Good placeholder for whatever OL they draft with 1 of the top 100 picks.
but he's better than Wheeler. Only way I'd be comfortable with this is if it was really cheap and he comes in t compete, not just giving him the job at RT
Also - anyone suggesting we sign him as a backup - LOL. The guy will be paid to start by someone if it's not by us. There's a dearth of quality NFL linemen available right now. He's been a starter for 4 consecutive years and is still 29 years old and has played all over the line.
Sign Mike Remmers to compete with the 17th or the Giants 2nd round pick for the starting job. Whoever loses provides solid depth along with Wheeler, Pulley, and hopefully a mid round pick.
but he's better than Wheeler. Only way I'd be comfortable with this is if it was really cheap and he comes in t compete, not just giving him the job at RT
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allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle
Also - anyone suggesting we sign him as a backup - LOL. The guy will be paid to start by someone if it's not by us. There's a dearth of quality NFL linemen available right now. He's been a starter for 4 consecutive years and is still 29 years old and has played all over the line.
This guy isn't going somewhere to be a backup.
Erick Flowers has been a starter in NFL for 4 years, should we resign him?
Probably can be had cheaply because he was such a poor guard. Even if he's middle of the pack at RT (and it seems that's about where he falls as a T) that's another upgraded position on the OL. Slightly upgraded... but still upgraded. Baby steps Bob...
Baby steps get on the bus, baby steps down the aisle, baby steps...
Well, we were promised 'multiple stickies' yesterday, and here they
Also - anyone suggesting we sign him as a backup - LOL. The guy will be paid to start by someone if it's not by us. There's a dearth of quality NFL linemen available right now. He's been a starter for 4 consecutive years and is still 29 years old and has played all over the line.
This guy isn't going somewhere to be a backup.
Erick Flowers has been a starter in NFL for 4 years, should we resign him?
Ereck Flowers has no history of performing at a capable level in the NFL. Terrible analogy.
I agree with your thinking, but just because someone is better than Wheeler, does not mean he should automatically be starting for us. We need a long term, really good player at RT. Remmers is not that. That being said, he can be a good signing for the right price.
sign him. Then try to improve upon him in the draft or next year. Trying to learn a new position in the middle of the year is tough. I'll give him that out. But as a side note, I wish every one on here wasn't so pre-occupied by the comp pick calculation. If a player can make your team better, why would you pass him by on the chance that you get a 3rd round pick?
I agree and curious to see what kind of deal he goes for. Played out of position last year which hurt his value, he might want a 1 year with the assurance he's starting at RT to possibly cash in next year.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Sign Mike Remmers to compete with the 17th or the Giants 2nd round pick for the starting job. Whoever loses provides solid depth along with Wheeler, Pulley, and hopefully a mid round pick.
then draft a RT in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. As DG would say, dont go shopping hungry. Need to add quality depth now as well so that the line doesnt deteriorate again. Develop the drafted Tackle and then have him take over at Right or Left once Solders contract is up.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
Luckily for us this is the strongest center draft class in years. I hope they add a center with one of their 4th round picks.
Let me understand......He played for Shurmur and started at RT.
As others have pointed out he's started all over the line and twice beat out Daryl Williams for the Panthers RT spot. And while of course that speaks to Williams developing as a mid round pick, it also speaks to Remmers being a seasoned vet who has thrived in the face of NFL competition.
After a 2016 season in which the Vikings offensive line needed an overhaul, Remmers was brought in alongside Riley Reiff as free agent acquisitions to help put a band-aid on the teams situation up front. After landing a five-year, $30 million contract from Minnesota in free agency, he performed well, allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle.
As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.
https://thevikingage.com/2019/03/11/minnesota-vikings-release-mike-remmers/ - ( New Window )
I get this isnt D Williams and am not thrilled with how weve been shut out in FA. This feels like the pre Reese and Accorsi days when we didn't seem to make any significant signings in the offseason.
In any event, Remmers at RT was a very different story than Remmers at RG. Some guys are position versatile and some arent...its just how it is. If he can replicate what he did a couple seasons ago at RT we will have ourselves an average to above average starter at the position. Keep in mind Saquon looked pretty darn good and Eli improved when the line became just passable 2nd half last year. Remmers would be a very,very big upgrade over the remaining weakest link on the line in Wheeler. You are going from one of the worst graded RTs in the NFL to if he comes near his RT grades from prior a guy who is in the top half of RTs.
RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler
Remmers would have a highly capable guard next to him, unlike Wheeler.
I would love it on a reasonable deal. Like others said, maybe you take a tackle now who can compete at RT right away but maybe projects to LT down the road.
Substantially raises the floor. We have 3 out of 5 guys on the OL who have decent potential to be good to excellent : Solder, Hernandez and Zietler. Thats 60% of the line. If we land Remmers, wed be substantially upgrading the worst remaining starter and then hope that Pio is an upgrade over Pulley. And thats not counting anything we get in the draft either.
is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6
Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17
Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
Speak it Pan Handler
Lol...obviously not everyone of thise guys will drop to said position but this is a DEEP red chip class so those names arent necessarily impossible to drop. We are talking early 2nd not 3rd and we saw Hernandez make it to us last year.
Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.
Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.
Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.
Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.
Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
and let's us use earlier picks on the D. Draft a couple of T's in later rounds and hopefully one of them develops into Remmers' replacment in a year or two.
is a good RT option for a year to allow Gettleman to draft and have a prospect developed and for depth purposes.
Vikings did some weird things with their offensive line and I think some of it has to do with being in flux from coordinators last two to three years, changing QBs and also Zimmer trying to fight off pass heavy offense and insist on run game still.
is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.
If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
With 12 picks, I'd be surprised if 2 aren't used on the OL (1 interior and 1 OT). Zeitler should shore up the middle and I think Soldier will be better this year, but they're still both getting older and now's the time to start grooming replacements, not to mention the holes still at C/RT. And if those replacements are ready sooner than expected you can move on from Soldier/Zeitler a year early, rather than a year late.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.
If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
I remember when we brought this guy in there was a lot of talk about him needing to get stronger. Which to me was odd since he had been with an elite college program for 5 years. If strength was still an issue it didn't bode real well. Now 2 years in seems like he's still not strong enough. Was hoping he could at least be a depth kind of guy but now thinking may be time to move on.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
Marty some guys are only really suited for 1 position. I think you are right on Wheeler , he is a pure LT. Anyone remember Luke Petitgout? Sucked everywhere on the line but became a borderline top player at LT before back problems took over.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
I agree Wheeler is a better LT. Remmers would be a good RT for us but I believe they will target an OT somewhere in this draft between rounds 2-4 to develop. Might now be room for Wheeler on this team come September.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
and he would figure to be the swing tackle if they draft a better, and ready rookie.
Bingo
Think this is absolutely the course of action. Shurmur said a multitude of times during his last couple of weekly interviews of the season with Francesa that his & Gettlemens belief is that every single offseason you should continue to upgrade the line. They felt that each offseason both a free agent lineman should be brought in and a lineman should be drafted to ensure competition and growth of the line. Could easily see both Remmers coming over and a high draft pick coming to battle out for the starting RT job with the loser getting the swing T backup G spot.
this move would give them serious draft flexibility. they can use their first three on impact defensive players to turn the Defense around and go OL in next offseason if they wanted to.
#6-d white
#17-b burns
#37-adderly/greedy williams/ferguson
now THAT turns this defense around big time along with a young peppers and beal
RE: RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
With Zietler moved out to RT. He has the long arms, is an outstanding pass blocker and has good quickness.
Just a thought.
I don't think they are moving the short armed Zietler out. He's a pro bowl caliber OG and we aint gonna mess with that. Besides shoring up the interior for an immoble Eli is huge to keep the instant pressure off him thru the A gaps as well as for the Play action game (which is heavy in Shurmurs system). Remmers played RT for Shurmur and also for Shula in Carolina. From multiple reports, His performance at RT was substantially better than RG.
Remmers, 29, is a six-year veteran with 64 NFL starts. He was signed by the Panthers in 2014 when Gettleman was the general manager in Carolina, beat out rookie Daryl Williams and won the starting job at right tackle. Remmers was part a team that went 17-1 and made it to the Super Bowl. Mike Shula, the Giants offensive coordinator, ran the offense for the Panthers during that season. So, there are plenty of people in the building who know all there is to know about Remmers.
In 2017, Remmers signed a five-year, $30 million contract with the Vikings, with Shurmur on the scene as the offensive coordinator in Minnesota. Remmers started 11 games at right tackle that season, but in 2018 was moved inside to right guard and started 16 games. He was released by the Vikings on Monday.
Right tackle is the last piece to the offensive line puzzle for the Giants. They acquired Kevin Zeitler from the Browns in a trade for Olivier Vernon, and Zeitler moves in as the starting right guard. Last season, Chad Wheeler, 25, started the final 14 games at right tackle after Ereck Flowers was benched. The Giants see Wheeler as more of a backup at both left and right tackle.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
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Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
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Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
Carson, I agree that drafting a OL or 2 with all the picks we have. We still need to fill the RT position. Don't want to shop hungry. Just because Remmers was cut doesn't mean anything. Players are cut all the time for cap reasons. Do you know why Remmers was cut? I don't but we can both assume it was cost, performance or a younger cheaper player is ready to play on their right side.
We NEED a Right Tackle today. You have your opinion I have mine. I will be happy with a signing of Remmers.
You can't count on a rookie OL to start, especially if it isn't a 1st rounder.
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Then you haven't been paying close enough attention
around this league Eric, happens very frequently.
I mentioned the Colts and Saints on the other thread,
and now that I think of it, the Chiefs as well.
Those are just three teams off the top of my head.
Keep in mind, the Giants are in rebuild, people have to
accept that now, not that it excites me, but...
They have the 17th pick, and they have a
second round pick.
You can't count on a rookie OL to start, especially if it isn't a 1st rounder.
In deep OL drafts the early second has proven fruitful even for us (Snee and Hernandez). But to your point there will be some inconsistency early on (as we say in Willie 1st half of year ).
You bring in a vet like Remmers, We would then have the luxury should we choose a Risner type in the early second to ease him in (lest of course we bring in a guy to compete right away for the OC starting job)
leave the building without a signing, if it is within reason, We just freed up a lot of $$$ with OBJ move and this is a significant piece in the puzzle before the draft, to get us competitive next season. With or without getting a QB in the draft or otherwise. MO.
As Tessler points out, Remmers played under current Giants coach Pat Shurmur in Minnesota, when Shurmur was his offensive coordinator. The Vikings released Remmers a few days ago after a two year stint in Minnesota. He started all 16 games for the Vikings last year, but his salary proved to be too expensive to keep him around. He was cut with an failed physical designation, as hes apparently dealing with an unknown injury. Remmers had been the Panthers starting right tackle in 2016, then signed a five-year $30MM deal with the Vikings in March of 2017.
We now have some details on Mike Remmers release from the Vikings earlier today. Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle points out (on Twitter) that the offensive lineman was cut with a failed physical designation. ESPNs Courtney Cronin notes (via Twitter) that the 29-year-old was listed on Minnesotas final injury report of the season with a back injury, but he proceeded to play the entire game.
This provides a bit of reasoning for why the Vikings decided to bail on Remmers after inking him to a five-year, $30MM in 2017. In fact, it sounds like Minnesota is actually considering bringing Remmers back. Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press tweets that the team would considering re-signing the lineman on a lesser deal.
The move ultimately saved the organization $4.55MM against $1.8MM in dead cap. The veteran has experience playing both offensive guard and offensive tackle, so a team will surely bite on his versatility. Remmers - ( New Window )
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
leave the building without a signing, if it is within reason, We just freed up a lot of $$$ with OBJ move and this is a significant piece in the puzzle before the draft, to get us competitive next season. With or without getting a QB in the draft or otherwise. MO.
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Actually they only freed up about 3.5 mill for this season.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Oh shit. rain on our parade if he is damaged.
RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
Assume DG and the Giants knew his whole history and
injury questions. So the fact they brought him anyway is not a deal killer. Keep hope alive. Perfect fit for us it appears. We will go into the draft strong with an interesting game plan (and a lot of picks) if we get this done. Good stuff. Make it happen DG.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
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When they realize, you are a JAG, that's what they do.
Jints don't need a RT in March, they need a RT around
July or so....hence a draft pick works just fine.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
Disagree.
They didn't overpay for Soldier if you look at contracts this year. They paid what they had to pay. Is it a lot yes. I agree with that.
Was Soldier bad last year. No. He was never bad. The Right side of the line was so terrible that there was constant pocket crumbling and Soldier couldn't be effective because if the pocket is crumbling Soldiers style of play is ineffective. He was fine once the OL stabalized.
Hernandez is legitimately good. One thing DG actually is good at is finding OL.
If you don't think this OL is far and away the best it has been since Reese let it crumble at that g-d awful Panthers game (I was at in NC) when the Giants got shut out and lost 1 or 2 aging guys (Snee? someone else?) to injury and he never could fix that in 6 years you are crazy.
What's more the mentality of some of our old OL players no longer here was soft. Zeitler and Hernandez are going to kill you on the field. They will take away your will. It has been a long time since we had that - when Snee/Diehl/Suebart/O'Hara where here those guys kicked ass.
This is our closest to an ass kicking line we have had since then. And I would be surprised if DG doesn't continue to add to this.
either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or hes at the airport and he wont be a giant.
if healthy he would have made this truly a golden thursday. lets see what the news is.
I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
RE: RE: concerned that there is no positive news on Remmers. its late and
either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or hes at the airport and he wont be a giant.
if healthy he would have made this truly a golden thursday. lets see what the news is.
I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
Agreed - if they don't get him I hope they give Veldeheer or Schraeder a look. All 3 seem pretty comparable at this stage of their careers.
The move I'd regret missing more than Remmers was Marcus Gilbert for a 6th. He's been injured the past 2 years but he has legitimate upside.
RE: concerned that there is no positive news on Remmers. its late and
In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This!!!
Well mostly...
We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This!!!
Well mostly...
We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.
Agreed - that would be ideal. Have the OT develop into a guy who can play on the left, get out of Solder's deal a little earlier.
Ideally, I'd have Solder here for this year and next, and then we'll cut him before 2021. Cap logistics work out fine at that point.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.
The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.
The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
My scenario above supposes we go defense @ 6 - my thought is we go best available defensive player there.
Then, we focus on OT/WR/CB
Obviously if we don't go defense @ 6 that changes things for me.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
This year's front 7 is so good I hope we double up 6 + 17 (if no QB)
ideally with an edge rusher (most likely 1 of Allen, Burns, Sweat, or Ferrell)
and an interior disrupter (most likely 1 of Oliver, Wilkins, Gary)
If Devin White is available at either spot I think they'd be wise to consider him too. I don't expect Williams or Bosa to drop, but in total thats 9 front 7 players who have claims to being as good or superior to the top front 7 prospects of recent years (like Chubb, Floyd, Roquan).
My first choice is to lean all the way into that strength and hopefully increase the chances of coming away with at least 1 "game wrecker".
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.
But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.
Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.
Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.
Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.
But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.
Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.
Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.
Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
The QB issue is a tough one because if you choose the wrong guy you set yourself back. Less so with Rosen, but if you pull the trigger on the face of your franchise it has to be your guy.
Consequently that's why it would be foolish of Kingsbury passes up on Murray (which I suspect he won't).
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.
Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
Remmers upgrades the OL, can play RT over Wheeler for sure I'd say
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I love what DG has done in addressing the line. But if you look closer, we only have Hernandez. Solder should be pushed off the roster in 2 years. Remmer, if we sign him, we don't want for more than 2 years. Halapio might work out and the staff have given him a vote of confidence. But I don't think there is anyone that thinks he is the long-term solution. Zeitler is a legit stud who is under contract for 3 years. Can we extend him next year without setting another record OL contract? If not, then we need to look for his replacement in 3 years. We have a lot of short-term answers that are world's better than what we have had in the past 6 years. But we need to keep the pipeline stocked so we aren't back to where we were.
RE: Remmers upgrades the OL, can play RT over Wheeler for sure I'd say
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.
Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
But at least with these moves, out future QB won't be destroyed on every dropback.
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He was terrible last year when they move him to guard..he was a goo tackle.
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
My guess is that "happy" is a bit of an overstatement. Having a competent RT gives DG flexibility in the draft in not having to shop hungry. The happiness is more with the realization that we have seen the last of the Wheeler era (hopefully). Ideally any agreement with Remmer is a short-term middling contract. We also don't want to be committing a lot of money in the event a draftee supplants him.
I read that he was coming in tonight and they're meeting with him
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
I'll reserve judgment if we sign him to see if he can still
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
RE: RE: RE: Confused why people are happy with this?
I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
Right and he is still young. He should be able to get back to that high level if he is put back at his preferred spot at RT.
Seemingly still in the game. If he was off to see another team, we'd know that by now. My guess is last second medical check. If he's sound, my bet is he's signed. We'll know tomorrow -- well, now that's later today.
RE: RE: RE: Confused why people are happy with this?
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
He certainly played decently...
What folks are missing here is that even a league average starting RT is a massive improvement over what we have now at RT. I've said this many times, I am not sure Wheeler belongs on an NFL roster, he is a borderline backup. Even though Remmers is not the player that Zeitler is, this is a much bigger upgrade than Zeitler is over Brown.
He beat out Darryl Williams twice in training camp.
We can pencil him in at RT and draft a guy in rounds 2-4.
He is way better than Wheeler this is for sure,
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-minnesota-vikings-2018-season-recap
1. He's a significant upgrade over Wheeler
2. Gives them options for the draft if they don't like the OT options when they're on the board with their 1st 3 picks. Can then grab a RT in the 3rd/4th that might need some development. Or at a minimum force the rookie to face some camp competition.
yea lets start wheeler another year smh
I like that the comp pick formula would be unaffected and I don't think this will require a huge commit so it doesn't bug me.
Chad Wheeler is really, really bad.
I don't care what our plan is this year - but none of them can involve 16 games of Wheeler @ RT.
As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.
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As a starter, but as a backup Im ok with it.
yea lets start wheeler another year smh
I'm assuming he is not going to start because we would draft or pick up someone that is better than him.
He was terrible last year as a starter, I'm making an assumption that they moved him to guard because he wasn't cutting it at Tackle either. Since the Minny offensive line is absolutely putrid.
As a swing tackle or guard, I'm fine with it. As a starter no thanks.
This guy isn't going somewhere to be a backup.
This guy isn't going somewhere to be a backup.
Erick Flowers has been a starter in NFL for 4 years, should we resign him?
Baby steps get on the bus, baby steps down the aisle, baby steps...
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Also - anyone suggesting we sign him as a backup - LOL. The guy will be paid to start by someone if it's not by us. There's a dearth of quality NFL linemen available right now. He's been a starter for 4 consecutive years and is still 29 years old and has played all over the line.
This guy isn't going somewhere to be a backup.
Erick Flowers has been a starter in NFL for 4 years, should we resign him?
Ereck Flowers has no history of performing at a capable level in the NFL. Terrible analogy.
Not ideal but infinitely better than Wheeler.
We need to make a move like this or we need to spend pick 17 or 37 on someone.
I am fairly certain Dave Gettleman knows he cannot send this team out there with Wheeler starting again. So, someone else will be brought in.
We need a FA and a draft pick.
We need to make a move like this or we need to spend pick 17 or 37 on someone.
I am fairly certain Dave Gettleman knows he cannot send this team out there with Wheeler starting again. So, someone else will be brought in.
Yes
Competition + depth + now and later production.
Their replacements should be drafter this year.
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I agree and curious to see what kind of deal he goes for. Played out of position last year which hurt his value, he might want a 1 year with the assurance he's starting at RT to possibly cash in next year.
Their replacements should be drafter this year.
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I think Shurmur intends to have Pio and Pulley battle it out for the starting job.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
Andre Dillard would be ideal. A guy who can can play RT but will eventually move over to LT in 2 years should be the focus.
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
Andre Dillard would be ideal. A guy who can can play RT but will eventually move over to LT in 2 years should be the focus.
Agree - I am definitely on board w/ Dillard.
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This. They seem to be really interested in Cody Ford.
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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Remmers and Sullivan ought to be cheap.
Their replacements should be drafter this year.
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I think Shurmur intends to have Pio and Pulley battle it out for the starting job.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
Luckily for us this is the strongest center draft class in years. I hope they add a center with one of their 4th round picks.
Sign me up.
I have no 1st hand knowledge of him....but I have 1st hand knowledge of Wheeler.
I rather not trust any rookies as starter on the OL....and prefer to defense with the premium pucks.
And let DG find some 4th and 5th round gems to develop as backups along OL.
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After a 2016 season in which the Vikings offensive line needed an overhaul, Remmers was brought in alongside Riley Reiff as free agent acquisitions to help put a band-aid on the teams situation up front. After landing a five-year, $30 million contract from Minnesota in free agency, he performed well, allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle.
As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.
https://thevikingage.com/2019/03/11/minnesota-vikings-release-mike-remmers/ - ( New Window )
I get this isnt D Williams and am not thrilled with how weve been shut out in FA. This feels like the pre Reese and Accorsi days when we didn't seem to make any significant signings in the offseason.
In any event, Remmers at RT was a very different story than Remmers at RG. Some guys are position versatile and some arent...its just how it is. If he can replicate what he did a couple seasons ago at RT we will have ourselves an average to above average starter at the position. Keep in mind Saquon looked pretty darn good and Eli improved when the line became just passable 2nd half last year. Remmers would be a very,very big upgrade over the remaining weakest link on the line in Wheeler. You are going from one of the worst graded RTs in the NFL to if he comes near his RT grades from prior a guy who is in the top half of RTs.
Exactly. Raises the floor at the RT position.
I would love it on a reasonable deal. Like others said, maybe you take a tackle now who can compete at RT right away but maybe projects to LT down the road.
Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6
Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17
Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6
Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17
Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
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Exactly. Raises the floor at the RT position.
Substantially raises the floor. We have 3 out of 5 guys on the OL who have decent potential to be good to excellent : Solder, Hernandez and Zietler. Thats 60% of the line. If we land Remmers, wed be substantially upgrading the worst remaining starter and then hope that Pio is an upgrade over Pulley. And thats not counting anything we get in the draft either.
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6
Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17
Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
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Lol...obviously not everyone of thise guys will drop to said position but this is a DEEP red chip class so those names arent necessarily impossible to drop. We are talking early 2nd not 3rd and we saw Hernandez make it to us last year.
Block for Barkley, familiarity with coaching staff. Lets see if we make this happen.
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Osi is easily worth the 6th pick in a draft. Bonafide pass rushers with some size have huge value in the NFL
Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.
Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
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Oh boy....lets see...not holding my breath till its official
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.
Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.
Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
Well said mph
Vikings did some weird things with their offensive line and I think some of it has to do with being in flux from coordinators last two to three years, changing QBs and also Zimmer trying to fight off pass heavy offense and insist on run game still.
Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.
If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
With 12 picks, I'd be surprised if 2 aren't used on the OL (1 interior and 1 OT). Zeitler should shore up the middle and I think Soldier will be better this year, but they're still both getting older and now's the time to start grooming replacements, not to mention the holes still at C/RT. And if those replacements are ready sooner than expected you can move on from Soldier/Zeitler a year early, rather than a year late.
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.
If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
I remember when we brought this guy in there was a lot of talk about him needing to get stronger. Which to me was odd since he had been with an elite college program for 5 years. If strength was still an issue it didn't bode real well. Now 2 years in seems like he's still not strong enough. Was hoping he could at least be a depth kind of guy but now thinking may be time to move on.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
Marty some guys are only really suited for 1 position. I think you are right on Wheeler , he is a pure LT. Anyone remember Luke Petitgout? Sucked everywhere on the line but became a borderline top player at LT before back problems took over.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
I agree Wheeler is a better LT. Remmers would be a good RT for us but I believe they will target an OT somewhere in this draft between rounds 2-4 to develop. Might now be room for Wheeler on this team come September.
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Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe
No way for $3M. $5M.
Remmers was on a 5 year deal for 6 per. Market has went up since then.
Omameh got 3yrs 15 mill last year. Remmers is likely getting 6 per again or 3 for $21M
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Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe
No way for $3M. $5M.
Remmers was on a 5 year deal for 6 per. Market has went up since then.
Omameh got 3yrs 15 mill last year. Remmers is likely getting 6 per again or 3 for $21M
the market has gone up but his performance has gone down. Needs to be considered. I think we will see closer to omameh values.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
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and he would figure to be the swing tackle if they draft a better, and ready rookie.
Bingo
Think this is absolutely the course of action. Shurmur said a multitude of times during his last couple of weekly interviews of the season with Francesa that his & Gettlemens belief is that every single offseason you should continue to upgrade the line. They felt that each offseason both a free agent lineman should be brought in and a lineman should be drafted to ensure competition and growth of the line. Could easily see both Remmers coming over and a high draft pick coming to battle out for the starting RT job with the loser getting the swing T backup G spot.
4 yr 28 million-14 guaranteed.
Just a guess.
4 yr 28 million-14 guaranteed.
Just a guess.
Yeah, this is likely the range.
#6-d white
#17-b burns
#37-adderly/greedy williams/ferguson
now THAT turns this defense around big time along with a young peppers and beal
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
I don't think they are moving the short armed Zietler out. He's a pro bowl caliber OG and we aint gonna mess with that. Besides shoring up the interior for an immoble Eli is huge to keep the instant pressure off him thru the A gaps as well as for the Play action game (which is heavy in Shurmurs system). Remmers played RT for Shurmur and also for Shula in Carolina. From multiple reports, His performance at RT was substantially better than RG.
First of all, Zeitler's best position is right guard.
Second of all, Remmer's best position is right tackle.
Moving them would make no sense.
In 2017, Remmers signed a five-year, $30 million contract with the Vikings, with Shurmur on the scene as the offensive coordinator in Minnesota. Remmers started 11 games at right tackle that season, but in 2018 was moved inside to right guard and started 16 games. He was released by the Vikings on Monday.
Right tackle is the last piece to the offensive line puzzle for the Giants. They acquired Kevin Zeitler from the Browns in a trade for Olivier Vernon, and Zeitler moves in as the starting right guard. Last season, Chad Wheeler, 25, started the final 14 games at right tackle after Ereck Flowers was benched. The Giants see Wheeler as more of a backup at both left and right tackle.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
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Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
Carson, I agree that drafting a OL or 2 with all the picks we have. We still need to fill the RT position. Don't want to shop hungry. Just because Remmers was cut doesn't mean anything. Players are cut all the time for cap reasons. Do you know why Remmers was cut? I don't but we can both assume it was cost, performance or a younger cheaper player is ready to play on their right side.
We NEED a Right Tackle today. You have your opinion I have mine. I will be happy with a signing of Remmers.
Then you haven't been paying close enough attention
around this league Eric, happens very frequently.
I mentioned the Colts and Saints on the other thread,
and now that I think of it, the Chiefs as well.
Those are just three teams off the top of my head.
Keep in mind, the Giants are in rebuild, people have to
accept that now, not that it excites me, but...
They have the 17th pick, and they have a
second round pick.
In deep OL drafts the early second has proven fruitful even for us (Snee and Hernandez). But to your point there will be some inconsistency early on (as we say in Willie 1st half of year ).
You bring in a vet like Remmers, We would then have the luxury should we choose a Risner type in the early second to ease him in (lest of course we bring in a guy to compete right away for the OC starting job)
What if the draft doesn't fall the way the Giants hope and they don't draft an OL in the first three rounds?
We now have some details on Mike Remmers release from the Vikings earlier today. Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle points out (on Twitter) that the offensive lineman was cut with a failed physical designation. ESPNs Courtney Cronin notes (via Twitter) that the 29-year-old was listed on Minnesotas final injury report of the season with a back injury, but he proceeded to play the entire game.
This provides a bit of reasoning for why the Vikings decided to bail on Remmers after inking him to a five-year, $30MM in 2017. In fact, it sounds like Minnesota is actually considering bringing Remmers back. Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press tweets that the team would considering re-signing the lineman on a lesser deal.
The move ultimately saved the organization $4.55MM against $1.8MM in dead cap. The veteran has experience playing both offensive guard and offensive tackle, so a team will surely bite on his versatility.
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Actually they only freed up about 3.5 mill for this season.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
And....we wouldn't take "an Osi type guy" in a freaking heartbeat?
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
To be fair, a large tree could beat out wheeler. Bless his heart hes just not a good starting RT...
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
When they realize, you are a JAG, that's what they do.
Jints don't need a RT in March, they need a RT around
July or so....hence a draft pick works just fine.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
They didn't overpay for Soldier if you look at contracts this year. They paid what they had to pay. Is it a lot yes. I agree with that.
Was Soldier bad last year. No. He was never bad. The Right side of the line was so terrible that there was constant pocket crumbling and Soldier couldn't be effective because if the pocket is crumbling Soldiers style of play is ineffective. He was fine once the OL stabalized.
Hernandez is legitimately good. One thing DG actually is good at is finding OL.
If you don't think this OL is far and away the best it has been since Reese let it crumble at that g-d awful Panthers game (I was at in NC) when the Giants got shut out and lost 1 or 2 aging guys (Snee? someone else?) to injury and he never could fix that in 6 years you are crazy.
What's more the mentality of some of our old OL players no longer here was soft. Zeitler and Hernandez are going to kill you on the field. They will take away your will. It has been a long time since we had that - when Snee/Diehl/Suebart/O'Hara where here those guys kicked ass.
This is our closest to an ass kicking line we have had since then. And I would be surprised if DG doesn't continue to add to this.
if healthy he would have made this truly a golden thursday. lets see what the news is.
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is a good tackle, and a bad guard. But we need him to be the former. The problem is that others teams do as well.
if healthy he would have made this truly a golden thursday. lets see what the news is.
I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
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either he is still negotiating, his back is still being evaluated, or hes at the airport and he wont be a giant.
if healthy he would have made this truly a golden thursday. lets see what the news is.
I agree with you, I'm hoping the Giants lock him down. I'd love to go into the season with (God forbid) and actually functional NFL offensive line that could actually be better than decent. That's lightyears from what the Giants have fielded.
Agreed - if they don't get him I hope they give Veldeheer or Schraeder a look. All 3 seem pretty comparable at this stage of their careers.
The move I'd regret missing more than Remmers was Marcus Gilbert for a 6th. He's been injured the past 2 years but he has legitimate upside.
if healthy he would have made this truly a golden thursday. lets see what the news is.
His visit is tomorrow mostly. He came in tonight to have dinner with them
One can dream
One can dream
Seems a perfect fit for us
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This!!!
Well mostly...
We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This!!!
Well mostly...
We should be drafting a guy we think can be our future LT. If he doesn't work out at LT, then move him to RT. But Solder may have a shorter shelf life than Remmers... And LT is harder to find. Better to get our future LT on the roster. These guys take time to develop. If we can push Solder off the roster in a year or 2 that's a good thing.
Agreed - that would be ideal. Have the OT develop into a guy who can play on the left, get out of Solder's deal a little earlier.
Ideally, I'd have Solder here for this year and next, and then we'll cut him before 2021. Cap logistics work out fine at that point.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.
The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
Agreed although I'm not sure there's better value with OL @17 than D. They seem to like both Pulley/Pio at C, so I think they'd still be in great shape if they addressed OL with #37 or #95 on 1 highly ranked who can fit in multiple spots like Deiter/Risner/Samia/Lindstrom.
The D on the other hand, I think there's a much bigger droppoff between an explosive edge rusher like Brian Burns who could be available at #17 and anywhere else further down. Or whoever their top 2-3 CB's are. Etc.
My scenario above supposes we go defense @ 6 - my thought is we go best available defensive player there.
Then, we focus on OT/WR/CB
Obviously if we don't go defense @ 6 that changes things for me.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
and an interior disrupter (most likely 1 of Oliver, Wilkins, Gary)
If Devin White is available at either spot I think they'd be wise to consider him too. I don't expect Williams or Bosa to drop, but in total thats 9 front 7 players who have claims to being as good or superior to the top front 7 prospects of recent years (like Chubb, Floyd, Roquan).
My first choice is to lean all the way into that strength and hopefully increase the chances of coming away with at least 1 "game wrecker".
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
I'm by no means a Rosen homer... But trading for Rosen would alleviate a lot of our collective QB fears, IMO
Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.
But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.
Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.
Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.
Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
Our 3 for Rosen was really my most preferable plan - paired with cutting bait on Eli, continuing to build the team from the inside out, padding the line and getting the defense right.
But, that doesn't appear to be on the table - for better or worse, we're rocking with Eli again this year. So, as long as the moves we make help the 2019 team without damaging what they can do thereafter, I'm fine with it.
Fixing the line is going to benefit Eli and his successor - so making a move for Zeitler, bringing in Remmers for a couple years, and drafting an OT/OC would go a long way towards doing that.
Markus Golden is a really nice signing because it's just a 1 year commit, it'll help us this year, and if he walks for more money after this year, we'll (hopefully) take the compensation and continue to get younger and cheaper.
Outside of the murky QB waters right now, I am starting to like where Gettleman is going with this.
The QB issue is a tough one because if you choose the wrong guy you set yourself back. Less so with Rosen, but if you pull the trigger on the face of your franchise it has to be your guy.
Consequently that's why it would be foolish of Kingsbury passes up on Murray (which I suspect he won't).
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.
Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
I still think this offense could move the ball IF it uses its remaining personnel effectively.
We really need ex-1st rounder C. Coleman to maybe find his niche and develop into a deep threat #2 wideout!
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I love what DG has done in addressing the line. But if you look closer, we only have Hernandez. Solder should be pushed off the roster in 2 years. Remmer, if we sign him, we don't want for more than 2 years. Halapio might work out and the staff have given him a vote of confidence. But I don't think there is anyone that thinks he is the long-term solution. Zeitler is a legit stud who is under contract for 3 years. Can we extend him next year without setting another record OL contract? If not, then we need to look for his replacement in 3 years. We have a lot of short-term answers that are world's better than what we have had in the past 6 years. But we need to keep the pipeline stocked so we aren't back to where we were.
I still think this offense could move the ball IF it uses its remaining personnel effectively.
We really need ex-1st rounder C. Coleman to maybe find his niche and develop into a deep threat #2 wideout!
I actually liked what I saw from Coleman last year. I think he can do well in our offense.
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I really want to get this one done.
If we're able to land Remmers for RT, nab Dillard @ 17, and then find a center in the 4th or therebouts - this is a home run offseason for the line as far as I'm concerned.
(Long way to go before we get there - and I am still skeptical of how Gettleman is going to handle the QB position - but I absolutely trust that he will get this line fixed.)
He certainly seems to be making some positive moves for the line. But, we need to have a pipeline of young talent for line. We don't have that yet. Plugging in FAs is not sustainable. if Remmers is signed, then he and Solder are short term fixes... Drafting a future starting T (preferable an LT) and C helps a lot too. Will still need to draft another T and some future interior guys next year.
I agree, we can't plug holes and then close the book and stamp it as "fixed" - for it to really be fixed, it is going to take a real commitment to keeping young talent filtering in, letting the expensive guys go and not waiting until DEFCON-5 to address potential issues.
Obviously the prior regime punted on the OL for far too long - and then when we were forced to address it, we struck out miserably on picks, signings, etc. That can't happen.
But at least with these moves, out future QB won't be destroyed on every dropback.
Tua or Fromm next year!
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He was terrible last year when they move him to guard..he was a goo tackle.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
My guess is that "happy" is a bit of an overstatement. Having a competent RT gives DG flexibility in the draft in not having to shop hungry. The happiness is more with the realization that we have seen the last of the Wheeler era (hopefully). Ideally any agreement with Remmer is a short-term middling contract. We also don't want to be committing a lot of money in the event a draftee supplants him.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
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I have read from many Vikings fans that he was awful.
Seems to me like DG just getting everyone he had back in Carolina. I was optimistic about Williams until that fell through.
He struggled at OG - that's not what we'd be bringing him here for. We need him to play RT. He's totally adequate there.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
Right and he is still young. He should be able to get back to that high level if he is put back at his preferred spot at RT.
My understanding was that he played at a very high level at ORT. Not a big fan of moving a player out of a position of strength. You basically weaken two positions, imv
He certainly played decently...
What folks are missing here is that even a league average starting RT is a massive improvement over what we have now at RT. I've said this many times, I am not sure Wheeler belongs on an NFL roster, he is a borderline backup. Even though Remmers is not the player that Zeitler is, this is a much bigger upgrade than Zeitler is over Brown.