I agree and curious to see what kind of deal he goes for. Played out of position last year which hurt his value, he might want a 1 year with the assurance he's starting at RT to possibly cash in next year.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Sign Mike Remmers to compete with the 17th or the Giants 2nd round pick for the starting job. Whoever loses provides solid depth along with Wheeler, Pulley, and hopefully a mid round pick.
then draft a RT in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. As DG would say, dont go shopping hungry. Need to add quality depth now as well so that the line doesnt deteriorate again. Develop the drafted Tackle and then have him take over at Right or Left once Solders contract is up.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
Luckily for us this is the strongest center draft class in years. I hope they add a center with one of their 4th round picks.
Let me understand......He played for Shurmur and started at RT.
As others have pointed out he's started all over the line and twice beat out Daryl Williams for the Panthers RT spot. And while of course that speaks to Williams developing as a mid round pick, it also speaks to Remmers being a seasoned vet who has thrived in the face of NFL competition.
After a 2016 season in which the Vikings offensive line needed an overhaul, Remmers was brought in alongside Riley Reiff as free agent acquisitions to help put a band-aid on the teams situation up front. After landing a five-year, $30 million contract from Minnesota in free agency, he performed well, allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle.
As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.
https://thevikingage.com/2019/03/11/minnesota-vikings-release-mike-remmers/ - ( New Window )
I get this isnt D Williams and am not thrilled with how weve been shut out in FA. This feels like the pre Reese and Accorsi days when we didn't seem to make any significant signings in the offseason.
In any event, Remmers at RT was a very different story than Remmers at RG. Some guys are position versatile and some arent...its just how it is. If he can replicate what he did a couple seasons ago at RT we will have ourselves an average to above average starter at the position. Keep in mind Saquon looked pretty darn good and Eli improved when the line became just passable 2nd half last year. Remmers would be a very,very big upgrade over the remaining weakest link on the line in Wheeler. You are going from one of the worst graded RTs in the NFL to if he comes near his RT grades from prior a guy who is in the top half of RTs.
RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler
Remmers would have a highly capable guard next to him, unlike Wheeler.
I would love it on a reasonable deal. Like others said, maybe you take a tackle now who can compete at RT right away but maybe projects to LT down the road.
Substantially raises the floor. We have 3 out of 5 guys on the OL who have decent potential to be good to excellent : Solder, Hernandez and Zietler. Thats 60% of the line. If we land Remmers, wed be substantially upgrading the worst remaining starter and then hope that Pio is an upgrade over Pulley. And thats not counting anything we get in the draft either.
is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6
Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17
Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
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Lol...obviously not everyone of thise guys will drop to said position but this is a DEEP red chip class so those names arent necessarily impossible to drop. We are talking early 2nd not 3rd and we saw Hernandez make it to us last year.
Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.
Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.
Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.
Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.
Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
and let's us use earlier picks on the D. Draft a couple of T's in later rounds and hopefully one of them develops into Remmers' replacment in a year or two.
is a good RT option for a year to allow Gettleman to draft and have a prospect developed and for depth purposes.
Vikings did some weird things with their offensive line and I think some of it has to do with being in flux from coordinators last two to three years, changing QBs and also Zimmer trying to fight off pass heavy offense and insist on run game still.
is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.
If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
With 12 picks, I'd be surprised if 2 aren't used on the OL (1 interior and 1 OT). Zeitler should shore up the middle and I think Soldier will be better this year, but they're still both getting older and now's the time to start grooming replacements, not to mention the holes still at C/RT. And if those replacements are ready sooner than expected you can move on from Soldier/Zeitler a year early, rather than a year late.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.
If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
I remember when we brought this guy in there was a lot of talk about him needing to get stronger. Which to me was odd since he had been with an elite college program for 5 years. If strength was still an issue it didn't bode real well. Now 2 years in seems like he's still not strong enough. Was hoping he could at least be a depth kind of guy but now thinking may be time to move on.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
Marty some guys are only really suited for 1 position. I think you are right on Wheeler , he is a pure LT. Anyone remember Luke Petitgout? Sucked everywhere on the line but became a borderline top player at LT before back problems took over.
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
I agree Wheeler is a better LT. Remmers would be a good RT for us but I believe they will target an OT somewhere in this draft between rounds 2-4 to develop. Might now be room for Wheeler on this team come September.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
Their replacements should be drafter this year.
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I agree and curious to see what kind of deal he goes for. Played out of position last year which hurt his value, he might want a 1 year with the assurance he's starting at RT to possibly cash in next year.
Their replacements should be drafter this year.
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I think Shurmur intends to have Pio and Pulley battle it out for the starting job.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
Andre Dillard would be ideal. A guy who can can play RT but will eventually move over to LT in 2 years should be the focus.
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.
Competition + depth + now and later production.
Andre Dillard would be ideal. A guy who can can play RT but will eventually move over to LT in 2 years should be the focus.
Agree - I am definitely on board w/ Dillard.
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Competition + depth + now and later production.
This. They seem to be really interested in Cody Ford.
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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Remmers and Sullivan ought to be cheap.
Their replacements should be drafter this year.
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I think Shurmur intends to have Pio and Pulley battle it out for the starting job.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
Luckily for us this is the strongest center draft class in years. I hope they add a center with one of their 4th round picks.
Sign me up.
I have no 1st hand knowledge of him....but I have 1st hand knowledge of Wheeler.
I rather not trust any rookies as starter on the OL....and prefer to defense with the premium pucks.
And let DG find some 4th and 5th round gems to develop as backups along OL.
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After a 2016 season in which the Vikings offensive line needed an overhaul, Remmers was brought in alongside Riley Reiff as free agent acquisitions to help put a band-aid on the teams situation up front. After landing a five-year, $30 million contract from Minnesota in free agency, he performed well, allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle.
As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.
https://thevikingage.com/2019/03/11/minnesota-vikings-release-mike-remmers/ - ( New Window )
I get this isnt D Williams and am not thrilled with how weve been shut out in FA. This feels like the pre Reese and Accorsi days when we didn't seem to make any significant signings in the offseason.
In any event, Remmers at RT was a very different story than Remmers at RG. Some guys are position versatile and some arent...its just how it is. If he can replicate what he did a couple seasons ago at RT we will have ourselves an average to above average starter at the position. Keep in mind Saquon looked pretty darn good and Eli improved when the line became just passable 2nd half last year. Remmers would be a very,very big upgrade over the remaining weakest link on the line in Wheeler. You are going from one of the worst graded RTs in the NFL to if he comes near his RT grades from prior a guy who is in the top half of RTs.
Exactly. Raises the floor at the RT position.
I would love it on a reasonable deal. Like others said, maybe you take a tackle now who can compete at RT right away but maybe projects to LT down the road.
Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6
Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17
Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6
Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17
Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
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Exactly. Raises the floor at the RT position.
Substantially raises the floor. We have 3 out of 5 guys on the OL who have decent potential to be good to excellent : Solder, Hernandez and Zietler. Thats 60% of the line. If we land Remmers, wed be substantially upgrading the worst remaining starter and then hope that Pio is an upgrade over Pulley. And thats not counting anything we get in the draft either.
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6
Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17
Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
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Lol...obviously not everyone of thise guys will drop to said position but this is a DEEP red chip class so those names arent necessarily impossible to drop. We are talking early 2nd not 3rd and we saw Hernandez make it to us last year.
Block for Barkley, familiarity with coaching staff. Lets see if we make this happen.
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Osi is easily worth the 6th pick in a draft. Bonafide pass rushers with some size have huge value in the NFL
Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.
Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
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Oh boy....lets see...not holding my breath till its official
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.
Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.
Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
Well said mph
Vikings did some weird things with their offensive line and I think some of it has to do with being in flux from coordinators last two to three years, changing QBs and also Zimmer trying to fight off pass heavy offense and insist on run game still.
Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.
If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
With 12 picks, I'd be surprised if 2 aren't used on the OL (1 interior and 1 OT). Zeitler should shore up the middle and I think Soldier will be better this year, but they're still both getting older and now's the time to start grooming replacements, not to mention the holes still at C/RT. And if those replacements are ready sooner than expected you can move on from Soldier/Zeitler a year early, rather than a year late.
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.
If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
I remember when we brought this guy in there was a lot of talk about him needing to get stronger. Which to me was odd since he had been with an elite college program for 5 years. If strength was still an issue it didn't bode real well. Now 2 years in seems like he's still not strong enough. Was hoping he could at least be a depth kind of guy but now thinking may be time to move on.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
Marty some guys are only really suited for 1 position. I think you are right on Wheeler , he is a pure LT. Anyone remember Luke Petitgout? Sucked everywhere on the line but became a borderline top player at LT before back problems took over.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
I agree Wheeler is a better LT. Remmers would be a good RT for us but I believe they will target an OT somewhere in this draft between rounds 2-4 to develop. Might now be room for Wheeler on this team come September.