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jeff57 : 3/14/2019 10:31 am
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 10:55 am : link
In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.
Remmers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 10:55 am : link
is more than a typical stop-gap.
We need a RT and a C  
ij_reilly : 3/14/2019 10:58 am : link
Remmers and Sullivan ought to be cheap.

Their replacements should be drafter this year.

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RE: Remmers  
AcesUp : 3/14/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14336188 Eric from BBI said:
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is more than a typical stop-gap.


I agree and curious to see what kind of deal he goes for. Played out of position last year which hurt his value, he might want a 1 year with the assurance he's starting at RT to possibly cash in next year.
RE: We need a RT and a C  
Anakim : 3/14/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14336200 ij_reilly said:
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Remmers and Sullivan ought to be cheap.

Their replacements should be drafter this year.

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I think Shurmur intends to have Pio and Pulley battle it out for the starting job.
Remmers has played a solid RT in the NFL  
JonC : 3/14/2019 11:01 am : link
and he would figure to be the swing tackle if they draft a better, and ready rookie.
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Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:03 am : link
In comment 14336185 arcarsenal said:
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.

Andre Dillard would be ideal. A guy who can can play RT but will eventually move over to LT in 2 years should be the focus.
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14336217 Jay on the Island said:
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.


Andre Dillard would be ideal. A guy who can can play RT but will eventually move over to LT in 2 years should be the focus.


Agree - I am definitely on board w/ Dillard.
As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:06 am : link
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
RE: Here it is  
TMS : 3/14/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14336118 Jay on the Island said:
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Sign Mike Remmers to compete with the 17th or the Giants 2nd round pick for the starting job. Whoever loses provides solid depth along with Wheeler, Pulley, and hopefully a mid round pick.
Like that plan.
His contract was for $6M per  
Bill in UT : 3/14/2019 11:06 am : link
Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe
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Jon in NYC : 3/14/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14336185 arcarsenal said:
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In fact, I'd prefer to sign Remmers and spend either pick 17 or 37 @ RT.

Competition + depth + now and later production.


This. They seem to be really interested in Cody Ford.
Remmers would be good to get on a two year deal.....  
Simms11 : 3/14/2019 11:08 am : link
then draft a RT in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. As DG would say, dont go shopping hungry. Need to add quality depth now as well so that the line doesnt deteriorate again. Develop the drafted Tackle and then have him take over at Right or Left once Solders contract is up.
RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14336225 Jay on the Island said:
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick


Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
RE: RE: We need a RT and a C  
TMS : 3/14/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14336213 Anakim said:
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Remmers and Sullivan ought to be cheap.

Their replacements should be drafter this year.

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I think Shurmur intends to have Pio and Pulley battle it out for the starting job.
SHurmur shoild make that call. He certainly knows the center position with his background.
RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14336242 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14336225 Jay on the Island said:


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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:

Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick



Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.

Luckily for us this is the strongest center draft class in years. I hope they add a center with one of their 4th round picks.
Let me understand......He played for Shurmur and started at RT.  
George from PA : 3/14/2019 11:13 am : link
On a team that ran well and Keanan had time to throw and should come cheap, correct?

Sign me up.

I have no 1st hand knowledge of him....but I have 1st hand knowledge of Wheeler.

I rather not trust any rookies as starter on the OL....and prefer to defense with the premium pucks.


And let DG find some 4th and 5th round gems to develop as backups along OL.
Bradbury at 17  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 11:13 am : link
is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us
Not a splashy move but would be more than solid.  
j_rud : 3/14/2019 11:13 am : link
As others have pointed out he's started all over the line and twice beat out Daryl Williams for the Panthers RT spot. And while of course that speaks to Williams developing as a mid round pick, it also speaks to Remmers being a seasoned vet who has thrived in the face of NFL competition.
RE: JonC is correct  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14336082 Eric from BBI said:
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After a 2016 season in which the Vikings offensive line needed an overhaul, Remmers was brought in alongside Riley Reiff as free agent acquisitions to help put a band-aid on the teams situation up front. After landing a five-year, $30 million contract from Minnesota in free agency, he performed well, allowing 16 pressures and no sacks in 10 starts at right tackle.

As the 2017 season wore along, however, the team decided to kick him into guard and that is where the wheels fell off. After struggling in a three-game stint at guard in a Week 17 victory over Chicago and two playoff games, Minnesota stubbornly kept him at guard in hopes of replacing retiring offensive lineman Joe Berger.

https://thevikingage.com/2019/03/11/minnesota-vikings-release-mike-remmers/ - ( New Window )


I get this isnt D Williams and am not thrilled with how weve been shut out in FA. This feels like the pre Reese and Accorsi days when we didn't seem to make any significant signings in the offseason.

In any event, Remmers at RT was a very different story than Remmers at RG. Some guys are position versatile and some arent...its just how it is. If he can replicate what he did a couple seasons ago at RT we will have ourselves an average to above average starter at the position. Keep in mind Saquon looked pretty darn good and Eli improved when the line became just passable 2nd half last year. Remmers would be a very,very big upgrade over the remaining weakest link on the line in Wheeler. You are going from one of the worst graded RTs in the NFL to if he comes near his RT grades from prior a guy who is in the top half of RTs.
RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler  
mittenedman : 3/14/2019 11:15 am : link
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Exactly. Raises the floor at the RT position.
Furthermore  
Lionhart28 : 3/14/2019 11:16 am : link
Remmers would have a highly capable guard next to him, unlike Wheeler.

I would love it on a reasonable deal. Like others said, maybe you take a tackle now who can compete at RT right away but maybe projects to LT down the road.
plus Shurmur is familiar with him  
Dave on the UWS : 3/14/2019 11:17 am : link
from the 2017 season in Minn. so he knows what he's getting.
RE: Bradbury at 17  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:18 am : link
In comment 14336256 ryanmkeane said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us


Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6

Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17

Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37
RE: RE: Bradbury at 17  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14336270 Pan-handler said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us



Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6

Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17

Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37


Speak it Pan Handler
RE: RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14336260 mittenedman said:
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Exactly. Raises the floor at the RT position.


Substantially raises the floor. We have 3 out of 5 guys on the OL who have decent potential to be good to excellent : Solder, Hernandez and Zietler. Thats 60% of the line. If we land Remmers, wed be substantially upgrading the worst remaining starter and then hope that Pio is an upgrade over Pulley. And thats not counting anything we get in the draft either.
Remmers  
AcidTest : 3/14/2019 11:24 am : link
is a good tackle, and a bad guard. But we need him to be the former. The problem is that others teams do as well.
RE: RE: RE: Bradbury at 17  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14336277 Rjanyg said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us



Montez Sweat or Haskins at 6

Cody Ford, Dillard, Devin Bush, Risner at 17

Hakeem Butler ,Nkeal Harry, Jaylon Ferguson, Brian Burns at 37



Speak it Pan Handler


Lol...obviously not everyone of thise guys will drop to said position but this is a DEEP red chip class so those names arent necessarily impossible to drop. We are talking early 2nd not 3rd and we saw Hernandez make it to us last year.
I'm out on  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 11:27 am : link
Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.
Multiple teams interested  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:28 am : link
But he's coming here first. That's usually a positive sign. The proverbial 'don't let him leave without signing' is obviously in effect.

Block for Barkley, familiarity with coaching staff. Lets see if we make this happen.

...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 11:29 am : link

Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
44m44 minutes ago

Dan Duggan Retweeted Brett Tessler

Would be surprised if this visit ends without a contract
RE: I'm out on  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14336295 ryanmkeane said:
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.


Osi is easily worth the 6th pick in a draft. Bonafide pass rushers with some size have huge value in the NFL
RE: I'm out on  
mphbullet36 : 3/14/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14336295 ryanmkeane said:
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.


Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.

Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!
RE: ...  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:30 am : link
In comment 14336310 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
44m44 minutes ago

Dan Duggan Retweeted Brett Tessler

Would be surprised if this visit ends without a contract


Oh boy....lets see...not holding my breath till its official
RE: RE: I'm out on  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14336315 mphbullet36 said:
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Sweat at #6. I don't think he'd be the 6th best player in the draft. He seems like an Osi type guy.



Osi was the main reason our defense was so dynamic during those multiple superbowl runs.

Strahan/Tuck and other all had impacts. But it was Osi that was the difference maker because of his sheer speed outside to wreck a game with a sack fumble. So I wouldn't push off Sweat as a Osi guy as a knock. If we got him and he was Osi productive that would be a great pick!


Well said mph
You wouldn't  
mittenedman : 3/14/2019 11:31 am : link
take another Osi at #6? C'mon now. In any event - Sweat is nothing like Osi. He's very similar to Chandler Jones.
upgrade to Wheeler  
bluepepper : 3/14/2019 11:34 am : link
and let's us use earlier picks on the D. Draft a couple of T's in later rounds and hopefully one of them develops into Remmers' replacment in a year or two.
Remmers  
Sammo85 : 3/14/2019 11:34 am : link
is a good RT option for a year to allow Gettleman to draft and have a prospect developed and for depth purposes.

Vikings did some weird things with their offensive line and I think some of it has to do with being in flux from coordinators last two to three years, changing QBs and also Zimmer trying to fight off pass heavy offense and insist on run game still.
RE: Bradbury at 17  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14336256 ryanmkeane said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us


Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.
Wheeler  
Marty866b : 3/14/2019 11:35 am : link
Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.
RE: RE: Bradbury at 17  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14336339 Pan-handler said:
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is my pick there. Plug him in there for the next 6-8 years and be a Mangold type player for us



Do like him alot too but the way Pio's been talked up and what we signed Pulley for , I think the Center position will be DGs bargain player on the OL. We have 3 other guys already who are either a top 2 round pick and/or making 10+ mill (Willie, Nate, and Zietler) and maybe about to bring in our RT.

I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.
I would want our #6 pick  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 11:41 am : link
this year to be better than Osi, yes.
RE: Wheeler  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14336340 Marty866b said:
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.


It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.

If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.
RE: RE: RE: Bradbury at 17  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14336353 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14336339 Pan-handler said:


I hope they add another player in the draft to at least groom to be the long term answer at center. I do not like Pulley at all I was hoping that they were going to move on from him. The Giants have Hernandez on a rookie contract for three more years so he is already a huge bargain. If they add a RT in the 1st or 2nd round then that would give them three potential starters on the OL signed to bargain contracts.


With 12 picks, I'd be surprised if 2 aren't used on the OL (1 interior and 1 OT). Zeitler should shore up the middle and I think Soldier will be better this year, but they're still both getting older and now's the time to start grooming replacements, not to mention the holes still at C/RT. And if those replacements are ready sooner than expected you can move on from Soldier/Zeitler a year early, rather than a year late.
RE: RE: Wheeler  
bluepepper : 3/14/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14336357 arcarsenal said:
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.



It doesn't matter what side he plays on - he gets physically bullied by DE's/ER's with power and constantly gets driven backwards into the pocket or on his ass. He can't hold up at the POA or establish leverage.

If they want to keep him here as a project and try to keep developing him, that's fine - but he's got to be a last resort guy as far as actual PT @ RT in 2019.

I remember when we brought this guy in there was a lot of talk about him needing to get stronger. Which to me was odd since he had been with an elite college program for 5 years. If strength was still an issue it didn't bode real well. Now 2 years in seems like he's still not strong enough. Was hoping he could at least be a depth kind of guy but now thinking may be time to move on.
RE: Wheeler  
Pan-handler : 3/14/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14336340 Marty866b said:
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.


Marty some guys are only really suited for 1 position. I think you are right on Wheeler , he is a pure LT. Anyone remember Luke Petitgout? Sucked everywhere on the line but became a borderline top player at LT before back problems took over.
RE: Wheeler  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14336340 Marty866b said:
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Lots of negativity about him here and rightfully so, but, he is a much better left tackle then right tackle. He played four years strictly at left tackle at USC and watching him on the right side and how awful he played, it was evident to me that he wasn't comfortable there. If anyone watched him in preseason, he played very well on the left side. I hope the Giants keep him around to further develop.
Remmers will only turn 30 soon so he should have some good football left in him.


I agree Wheeler is a better LT. Remmers would be a good RT for us but I believe they will target an OT somewhere in this draft between rounds 2-4 to develop. Might now be room for Wheeler on this team come September.
RE: His contract was for $6M per  
DavidinBMNY : 3/14/2019 11:57 am : link
In comment 14336227 Bill in UT said:
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Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe
No way for $3M. $5M.
Remmers on a 2-year affordable contract  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 12:00 pm : link
would be very, very solid.
bluepepper  
Marty866b : 3/14/2019 12:01 pm : link
Wheeler came to USC as a 265 pound defensive player who was converted. He has been adding needed weight and strength.
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