He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
.
They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
and he would figure to be the swing tackle if they draft a better, and ready rookie.
Bingo
Think this is absolutely the course of action. Shurmur said a multitude of times during his last couple of weekly interviews of the season with Francesa that his & Gettlemens belief is that every single offseason you should continue to upgrade the line. They felt that each offseason both a free agent lineman should be brought in and a lineman should be drafted to ensure competition and growth of the line. Could easily see both Remmers coming over and a high draft pick coming to battle out for the starting RT job with the loser getting the swing T backup G spot.
this move would give them serious draft flexibility. they can use their first three on impact defensive players to turn the Defense around and go OL in next offseason if they wanted to.
#6-d white
#17-b burns
#37-adderly/greedy williams/ferguson
now THAT turns this defense around big time along with a young peppers and beal
RE: RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives Â
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: As much shit as Gettleman receives Â
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
.
They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
With Zietler moved out to RT. He has the long arms, is an outstanding pass blocker and has good quickness.
Just a thought.
I don't think they are moving the short armed Zietler out. He's a pro bowl caliber OG and we aint gonna mess with that. Besides shoring up the interior for an immoble Eli is huge to keep the instant pressure off him thru the A gaps as well as for the Play action game (which is heavy in Shurmurs system). Remmers played RT for Shurmur and also for Shula in Carolina. From multiple reports, His performance at RT was substantially better than RG.
Remmers, 29, is a six-year veteran with 64 NFL starts. He was signed by the Panthers in 2014 when Gettleman was the general manager in Carolina, beat out rookie Daryl Williams and won the starting job at right tackle. Remmers was part a team that went 17-1 and made it to the Super Bowl. Mike Shula, the Giants offensive coordinator, ran the offense for the Panthers during that season. So, there are plenty of people in the building who know all there is to know about Remmers.
In 2017, Remmers signed a five-year, $30 million contract with the Vikings, with Shurmur on the scene as the offensive coordinator in Minnesota. Remmers started 11 games at right tackle that season, but in 2018 was moved inside to right guard and started 16 games. He was released by the Vikings on Monday.
Right tackle is the last piece to the offensive line puzzle for the Giants. They acquired Kevin Zeitler from the Browns in a trade for Olivier Vernon, and Zeitler moves in as the starting right guard. Last season, Chad Wheeler, 25, started the final 14 games at right tackle after Ereck Flowers was benched. The Giants see Wheeler as more of a backup at both left and right tackle.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
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Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
.
They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
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Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
Carson, I agree that drafting a OL or 2 with all the picks we have. We still need to fill the RT position. Don't want to shop hungry. Just because Remmers was cut doesn't mean anything. Players are cut all the time for cap reasons. Do you know why Remmers was cut? I don't but we can both assume it was cost, performance or a younger cheaper player is ready to play on their right side.
We NEED a Right Tackle today. You have your opinion I have mine. I will be happy with a signing of Remmers.
You can't count on a rookie OL to start, especially if it isn't a 1st rounder.
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Then you haven't been paying close enough attention
around this league Eric, happens very frequently.
I mentioned the Colts and Saints on the other thread,
and now that I think of it, the Chiefs as well.
Those are just three teams off the top of my head.
Keep in mind, the Giants are in rebuild, people have to
accept that now, not that it excites me, but...
They have the 17th pick, and they have a
second round pick.
You can't count on a rookie OL to start, especially if it isn't a 1st rounder.
In deep OL drafts the early second has proven fruitful even for us (Snee and Hernandez). But to your point there will be some inconsistency early on (as we say in Willie 1st half of year ).
You bring in a vet like Remmers, We would then have the luxury should we choose a Risner type in the early second to ease him in (lest of course we bring in a guy to compete right away for the OC starting job)
leave the building without a signing, if it is within reason, We just freed up a lot of $$$ with OBJ move and this is a significant piece in the puzzle before the draft, to get us competitive next season. With or without getting a QB in the draft or otherwise. MO.
As Tessler points out, Remmers played under current Giants coach Pat Shurmur in Minnesota, when Shurmur was his offensive coordinator. The Vikings released Remmers a few days ago after a two year stint in Minnesota. He started all 16 games for the Vikings last year, but his salary proved to be too expensive to keep him around. He was cut with an failed physical designation, as he’s apparently dealing with an unknown injury. Remmers had been the Panthers’ starting right tackle in 2016, then signed a five-year $30MM deal with the Vikings in March of 2017.
We now have some details on Mike Remmers‘ release from the Vikings earlier today. Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle points out (on Twitter) that the offensive lineman was cut with a “failed physical designation.” ESPN’s Courtney Cronin notes (via Twitter) that the 29-year-old was listed on Minnesota’s final injury report of the season with a back injury, but he proceeded to play the entire game.
This provides a bit of reasoning for why the Vikings decided to bail on Remmers after inking him to a five-year, $30MM in 2017. In fact, it sounds like Minnesota is actually considering bringing Remmers back. Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press tweets that the team would considering re-signing the lineman on a lesser deal.
The move ultimately saved the organization $4.55MM against $1.8MM in dead cap. The veteran has experience playing both offensive guard and offensive tackle, so a team will surely bite on his versatility. Remmers - ( New Window )
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
leave the building without a signing, if it is within reason, We just freed up a lot of $$$ with OBJ move and this is a significant piece in the puzzle before the draft, to get us competitive next season. With or without getting a QB in the draft or otherwise. MO.
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Actually they only freed up about 3.5 mill for this season.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Oh shit. rain on our parade if he is damaged.
RE: If we signed him, he should be able to beat out Wheeler Â
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
Assume DG and the Giants knew his whole history and Â
injury questions. So the fact they brought him anyway is not a deal killer. Keep hope alive. Perfect fit for us it appears. We will go into the draft strong with an interesting game plan (and a lot of picks) if we get this done. Good stuff. Make it happen DG.
He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
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When they realize, you are a JAG, that's what they do.
Jints don't need a RT in March, they need a RT around
July or so....hence a draft pick works just fine.
He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
Disagree.
They didn't overpay for Soldier if you look at contracts this year. They paid what they had to pay. Is it a lot yes. I agree with that.
Was Soldier bad last year. No. He was never bad. The Right side of the line was so terrible that there was constant pocket crumbling and Soldier couldn't be effective because if the pocket is crumbling Soldiers style of play is ineffective. He was fine once the OL stabalized.
Hernandez is legitimately good. One thing DG actually is good at is finding OL.
If you don't think this OL is far and away the best it has been since Reese let it crumble at that g-d awful Panthers game (I was at in NC) when the Giants got shut out and lost 1 or 2 aging guys (Snee? someone else?) to injury and he never could fix that in 6 years you are crazy.
What's more the mentality of some of our old OL players no longer here was soft. Zeitler and Hernandez are going to kill you on the field. They will take away your will. It has been a long time since we had that - when Snee/Diehl/Suebart/O'Hara where here those guys kicked ass.
This is our closest to an ass kicking line we have had since then. And I would be surprised if DG doesn't continue to add to this.
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Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe
No way for $3M. $5M.
Remmers was on a 5 year deal for 6 per. Market has went up since then.
Omameh got 3yrs 15 mill last year. Remmers is likely getting 6 per again or 3 for $21M
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Should be able to get him for $3-4M per? Would that be reasonable to pay? We paid Pulley almost $3M, I believe
No way for $3M. $5M.
Remmers was on a 5 year deal for 6 per. Market has went up since then.
Omameh got 3yrs 15 mill last year. Remmers is likely getting 6 per again or 3 for $21M
the market has gone up but his performance has gone down. Needs to be considered. I think we will see closer to omameh values.
Bingo
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
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and he would figure to be the swing tackle if they draft a better, and ready rookie.
Bingo
Think this is absolutely the course of action. Shurmur said a multitude of times during his last couple of weekly interviews of the season with Francesa that his & Gettlemens belief is that every single offseason you should continue to upgrade the line. They felt that each offseason both a free agent lineman should be brought in and a lineman should be drafted to ensure competition and growth of the line. Could easily see both Remmers coming over and a high draft pick coming to battle out for the starting RT job with the loser getting the swing T backup G spot.
4 yr 28 million-14 guaranteed.
Just a guess.
4 yr 28 million-14 guaranteed.
Just a guess.
Yeah, this is likely the range.
#6-d white
#17-b burns
#37-adderly/greedy williams/ferguson
now THAT turns this defense around big time along with a young peppers and beal
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
I don't think they are moving the short armed Zietler out. He's a pro bowl caliber OG and we aint gonna mess with that. Besides shoring up the interior for an immoble Eli is huge to keep the instant pressure off him thru the A gaps as well as for the Play action game (which is heavy in Shurmurs system). Remmers played RT for Shurmur and also for Shula in Carolina. From multiple reports, His performance at RT was substantially better than RG.
First of all, Zeitler's best position is right guard.
Second of all, Remmer's best position is right tackle.
Moving them would make no sense.
In 2017, Remmers signed a five-year, $30 million contract with the Vikings, with Shurmur on the scene as the offensive coordinator in Minnesota. Remmers started 11 games at right tackle that season, but in 2018 was moved inside to right guard and started 16 games. He was released by the Vikings on Monday.
Right tackle is the last piece to the offensive line puzzle for the Giants. They acquired Kevin Zeitler from the Browns in a trade for Olivier Vernon, and Zeitler moves in as the starting right guard. Last season, Chad Wheeler, 25, started the final 14 games at right tackle after Ereck Flowers was benched. The Giants see Wheeler as more of a backup at both left and right tackle.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
You need to go back and look at the O Line from 2005 to 2011.
Diehl: 5th round pick
Suebert: UDFA
Ohara: UDFA ( signed from Browns 2004 )
Snee: 2nd round pick
McKenzie: 3rd round pick ( signed from NYJ )
The sum of the parts is greater than any individual.
Our line if Remmers signs:
Solder: 1st round pick
Hernandez: 2nd round pick
Hilapio: 6th round pick
Zietler: 1st round pick
Remmers: UDFA
Together....could be a very good line.
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No I don't actually, because I don't look back,
just look forward. What difference does it make what round they were taken? You can play, or you can't.
Point is, these guys can play. It will be a very veteran OL and this will not mean the Giants won't draft a couple of young OL. It just means we are not reaching for OL like Reese did. Remmers makes sense like it or not. He is 29 years old and our GM and Head Coach have experience with him.
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Remmers just cut by his team two years into a five year deal, I guess the Vikes didn't feel the same way.
I said on the other thread about FA tackles, I rather
they draft one myself. This team is in rebuild, adding a
JAG at RT doesn't do it for me. Drafting a player,
have him develop, hopefully long term is better than a
stopgap to me with this team.
Other successful teams have done it, seems to be working, whether some like that or not.
Carson, I agree that drafting a OL or 2 with all the picks we have. We still need to fill the RT position. Don't want to shop hungry. Just because Remmers was cut doesn't mean anything. Players are cut all the time for cap reasons. Do you know why Remmers was cut? I don't but we can both assume it was cost, performance or a younger cheaper player is ready to play on their right side.
We NEED a Right Tackle today. You have your opinion I have mine. I will be happy with a signing of Remmers.
Then you haven't been paying close enough attention
around this league Eric, happens very frequently.
I mentioned the Colts and Saints on the other thread,
and now that I think of it, the Chiefs as well.
Those are just three teams off the top of my head.
Keep in mind, the Giants are in rebuild, people have to
accept that now, not that it excites me, but...
They have the 17th pick, and they have a
second round pick.
In deep OL drafts the early second has proven fruitful even for us (Snee and Hernandez). But to your point there will be some inconsistency early on (as we say in Willie 1st half of year ).
You bring in a vet like Remmers, We would then have the luxury should we choose a Risner type in the early second to ease him in (lest of course we bring in a guy to compete right away for the OC starting job)
What if the draft doesn't fall the way the Giants hope and they don't draft an OL in the first three rounds?
We now have some details on Mike Remmers‘ release from the Vikings earlier today. Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle points out (on Twitter) that the offensive lineman was cut with a “failed physical designation.” ESPN’s Courtney Cronin notes (via Twitter) that the 29-year-old was listed on Minnesota’s final injury report of the season with a back injury, but he proceeded to play the entire game.
This provides a bit of reasoning for why the Vikings decided to bail on Remmers after inking him to a five-year, $30MM in 2017. In fact, it sounds like Minnesota is actually considering bringing Remmers back. Chris Tomasson of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press tweets that the team would considering re-signing the lineman on a lesser deal.
The move ultimately saved the organization $4.55MM against $1.8MM in dead cap. The veteran has experience playing both offensive guard and offensive tackle, so a team will surely bite on his versatility.
Remmers - ( New Window )
Actually they only freed up about 3.5 mill for this season.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
And....we wouldn't take "an Osi type guy" in a freaking heartbeat?
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
To be fair, a large tree could beat out wheeler. Bless his heart he’s just not a good starting RT...
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
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In comment 14336712 Jay on the Island said:
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He's a solid RT that won't be very expensive and he won't count in the compensatory pick equation because he was released by Minnesota. Sign Remmers to a 1-2 year deal and target an OT either with the 17th pick or on day 2.
Wondering about the back stuff now...but if it checks out, absolutely. He apparently failed their physical.
Ha!
Yet Minnesota wanted to re-sign him at a lower price. Need to read everything
When they realize, you are a JAG, that's what they do.
Jints don't need a RT in March, they need a RT around
July or so....hence a draft pick works just fine.
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He would deserve a lot of credit if he adds Remmers and an OT in round 1 or 2. In a little over a year he would have fixed the entire offensive line. We went from:
Flowers Pugh Jones Jerry Hart to
Solder Hernandez Halapio Zeitler Remmers/draft pick
Still have to find someone to get Halapio out of there.
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They overpaid for Solder, they don't know what Halapio is, re-signed another JAG at center...
If you bring in Remmers, that's another JAG. I will give him credit for Zeitler, and maybe on Hernandez.
Even though that was an obvious pick for this team, and he needs to improve his pass blocking.
Lets not carried away handing out bouquets with this GM, at this point.
They didn't overpay for Soldier if you look at contracts this year. They paid what they had to pay. Is it a lot yes. I agree with that.
Was Soldier bad last year. No. He was never bad. The Right side of the line was so terrible that there was constant pocket crumbling and Soldier couldn't be effective because if the pocket is crumbling Soldiers style of play is ineffective. He was fine once the OL stabalized.
Hernandez is legitimately good. One thing DG actually is good at is finding OL.
If you don't think this OL is far and away the best it has been since Reese let it crumble at that g-d awful Panthers game (I was at in NC) when the Giants got shut out and lost 1 or 2 aging guys (Snee? someone else?) to injury and he never could fix that in 6 years you are crazy.
What's more the mentality of some of our old OL players no longer here was soft. Zeitler and Hernandez are going to kill you on the field. They will take away your will. It has been a long time since we had that - when Snee/Diehl/Suebart/O'Hara where here those guys kicked ass.
This is our closest to an ass kicking line we have had since then. And I would be surprised if DG doesn't continue to add to this.
if healthy he would have made this truly a “ golden” thursday. let’s see what the news is.
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is a good tackle, and a bad guard. But we need him to be the former. The problem is that others teams do as well.