Giants DC James Bettcher at Clemson's Pro Day

Move Tomlinson out to 5T. He is 350 and crazy athletic. Good luck running against that front. He's got a little pass rush as well, though it's not his forte.

on Albert Huggins as well for a very solid Day 3 pick.

Huggins was a rotating DT for Clemson, but moved to a full time role when Dexter Lawrence was suspended.

He proved in big college games he has an NFL future for a guy that has mostly been off the radar because of the Clemson talent in front of him.

In comment 14336243 Lionhart28 said:

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Move Tomlinson out to 5T. He is 350 and crazy athletic. Good luck running against that front. He's got a little pass rush as well, though it's not his forte.

I concur.

Is a name we don't hear a lot but is someone that could be very much in play for us at 6. Boylhart loves the guy and his ranked as top edge player.

In comment 14336273 MM_in_NYC said:

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Is a name we don't hear a lot but is someone that could be very much in play for us at 6. Boylhart loves the guy and his ranked as top edge player.

More like 17 but I love him. Solid 2 way player and has played in a 2 point stance.

to see the Giants "double dip" the front 7 in the 1st round. It's an unusually strong DLine draft we can take advantage of.

For example:

Sweat at #6
Christian Wilkins at #17

All the sudden the OL is fixed & the front 7/D is well on its way, with an influx of talent up front and in the secondary (Peppers & Beal).

In comment 14336294 mittenedman said:

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to see the Giants "double dip" the front 7 in the 1st round. It's an unusually strong DLine draft we can take advantage of. For example: Sweat at #6 Christian Wilkins at #17 All the sudden the OL is fixed & the front 7/D is well on its way, with an influx of talent up front and in the secondary (Peppers & Beal).

OL in Rd2 & 3...

I like it

Gettleman said "Run the ball, stop the run, rush the passer." We can expect him to focus on stopping the run and rushing the passer in this draft.

not Watkins

a Sweat/Allen type at 6 at Lawrence at 17.

Gettleman's going to mercilessly build an old school NY Giants football team.

Who were the WR's on the 86 and 90 Giants? Or any of the Patriots winners?

Nasty OLine. Nasty RB. Nasty front 7. Franchise QB.

That's a sustainable winner. If we nail this draft, we're a lot closer to competing than people think.

In comment 14336294 mittenedman said:

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to see the Giants "double dip" the front 7 in the 1st round. It's an unusually strong DLine draft we can take advantage of. For example: Sweat at #6 Christian Wilkins at #17 All the sudden the OL is fixed & the front 7/D is well on its way, with an influx of talent up front and in the secondary (Peppers & Beal).

I am at the point where I hope he goes 2 pass rushers.

In comment 14336387 Rjanyg said:

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In comment 14336294 mittenedman said: Quote: to see the Giants "double dip" the front 7 in the 1st round. It's an unusually strong DLine draft we can take advantage of. For example: Sweat at #6 Christian Wilkins at #17 All the sudden the OL is fixed & the front 7/D is well on its way, with an influx of talent up front and in the secondary (Peppers & Beal). I am at the point where I hope he goes 2 pass rushers.

That doesn't have to mean ER though. It could and I would be okay with that but I would be equally as happy with a guy who can do some damage inside whether that is a pass rusher or a guy that eats up double teams to help out others on that line.

In comment 14336395 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 14336387 Rjanyg said: Quote: In comment 14336294 mittenedman said: Quote: to see the Giants "double dip" the front 7 in the 1st round. It's an unusually strong DLine draft we can take advantage of. For example: Sweat at #6 Christian Wilkins at #17 All the sudden the OL is fixed & the front 7/D is well on its way, with an influx of talent up front and in the secondary (Peppers & Beal). I am at the point where I hope he goes 2 pass rushers. That doesn't have to mean ER though. It could and I would be okay with that but I would be equally as happy with a guy who can do some damage inside whether that is a pass rusher or a guy that eats up double teams to help out others on that line.

Very true. Character will matter though and I believe Christian Wilkins is one of the highest character guys in this draft. He would be a great 5 Tech and start from day 1. If he is there at 17 I can see him as a no brainer. Pick # 6 if not Haskins should be Sweat.

In comment 14336387 Rjanyg said:

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In comment 14336294 mittenedman said: Quote: to see the Giants "double dip" the front 7 in the 1st round. It's an unusually strong DLine draft we can take advantage of. For example: Sweat at #6 Christian Wilkins at #17 All the sudden the OL is fixed & the front 7/D is well on its way, with an influx of talent up front and in the secondary (Peppers & Beal). I am at the point where I hope he goes 2 pass rushers.

Honestly I would like to see that also. If you have two solid pass rushers whether two edge rushers or one of them can collapse the pocket from inside, everyone else on your defense is suddenly playing better. I think it is the quickest way to impact the defense.

In comment 14336243 Lionhart28 said:

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Move Tomlinson out to 5T. He is 350 and crazy athletic. Good luck running against that front. He's got a little pass rush as well, though it's not his forte.

I don't think Lawrence will be a consideration. Gettleman already said the trade of Snacks Harrison was made specifically to allow Tomlinson to move inside. Not sure why he'd reverse that decision this quickly. Further, you have to think Lawrence has a character flag on him after being suspended for a banned substance, forcing him to miss the national championship game. To what degree this will diminish him in Gettleman's eyes, I don't know, but what I do know is Gettleman does put an emphasis on character.

Wilkins would be the far more likelier target, if he's still around at #17.

Deebo Samuel is another player I have interest in. 5'11" with 10" hands, and a ridiculous 39" vert at the combine...ran a 4.48 as well.

Trayvon Mullen reportedly getting 1st round buzz.

In comment 14336266 YANKEE28 said:

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on Albert Huggins as well for a very solid Day 3 pick. Huggins was a rotating DT for Clemson, but moved to a full time role when Dexter Lawrence was suspended. He proved in big college games he has an NFL future for a guy that has mostly been off the radar because of the Clemson talent in front of him.

You nailed this one. Huggins is a major sleeper. Kid can flat out pressure the QB

In comment 14336439 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14336243 Lionhart28 said: Quote: Move Tomlinson out to 5T. He is 350 and crazy athletic. Good luck running against that front. He's got a little pass rush as well, though it's not his forte. I don't think Lawrence will be a consideration. Gettleman already said the trade of Snacks Harrison was made specifically to allow Tomlinson to move inside. Not sure why he'd reverse that decision this quickly. Further, you have to think Lawrence has a character flag on him after being suspended for a banned substance, forcing him to miss the national championship game. To what degree this will diminish him in Gettleman's eyes, I don't know, but what I do know is Gettleman does put an emphasis on character. Wilkins would be the far more likelier target, if he's still around at #17. Deebo Samuel is another player I have interest in. 5'11" with 10" hands, and a ridiculous 39" vert at the combine...ran a 4.48 as well. Trayvon Mullen reportedly getting 1st round buzz.

I didn't realize that about Tomlinson, but didn't think he looked like a natural 3-4 nose last year. As far as character, I don't think it's a big issue. It's a banned substance but it's something that could be in different supplements not a narcotic. There is also no history of that with him, so I'd be surprised if that's an issue. Something teams will certainly discuss though.

Seems like the perfect guy to nab at 17.

In comment 14336439 allstarjim said:

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In comment 14336243 Lionhart28 said: Quote: Move Tomlinson out to 5T. He is 350 and crazy athletic. Good luck running against that front. He's got a little pass rush as well, though it's not his forte. I don't think Lawrence will be a consideration. Gettleman already said the trade of Snacks Harrison was made specifically to allow Tomlinson to move inside. Not sure why he'd reverse that decision this quickly. Further, you have to think Lawrence has a character flag on him after being suspended for a banned substance, forcing him to miss the national championship game. To what degree this will diminish him in Gettleman's eyes, I don't know, but what I do know is Gettleman does put an emphasis on character. Wilkins would be the far more likelier target, if he's still around at #17. Deebo Samuel is another player I have interest in. 5'11" with 10" hands, and a ridiculous 39" vert at the combine...ran a 4.48 as well. Trayvon Mullen reportedly getting 1st round buzz.

Deebo had a great Senior Bowl week too if I remember correctly too

defensive talent especially this year.

While DT is capable of playing 3 or 5, he was moved to nose for a reason. This isn't a traditional 3-4, you need to get that out of your head. It's a one gap scheme that needs these guys to attack the B gap. Key word is attack, we need more pass rush than what DT gives us from that spot. DT is perfect at the nose so think 3 tech DTs or 4-3 DEs with strong power games that don't rely on the outside rush to round out the DL. Whether that player looks like QWill, Chris Jones or Justin Tuck, it doesn't matter. He needs to be able to get upfield quickly and effectively from that alignment with the athleticism to be moved around as needed.

And if your concern is the run, getting bigger and slower upfront isn't the answer. Focus on LB and the backend. Get players that have instincts, smarts and that know how to tackle. Peppers and Bethea is a start.

If we were running a 4-3, would you want Tomlinson at end? Because we are aligned in a 4 man front more than we are in a 3 man front.

In comment 14336381 mittenedman said:

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Gettleman's going to mercilessly build an old school NY Giants football team. Who were the WR's on the 86 and 90 Giants? Or any of the Patriots winners? Nasty OLine. Nasty RB. Nasty front 7. Franchise QB. That's a sustainable winner. If we nail this draft, we're a lot closer to competing than people think.

Agree - DG had a great draft in '18.. No question that we also need to hit on this one deep into day 3.

In comment 14336381 mittenedman said:

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Gettleman's going to mercilessly build an old school NY Giants football team. Who were the WR's on the 86 and 90 Giants? Or any of the Patriots winners? Nasty OLine. Nasty RB. Nasty front 7. Franchise QB. That's a sustainable winner. If we nail this draft, we're a lot closer to competing than people think.

Fine with me. I don't think the people who say you can't win this way anymore in the modern NFL are correct. I think you can win no matter how you play as long as you have a strong D-Line and an O-Line. I think those are two requirements that will never fail in this particular sport, regardless of the era.