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NFT: MLB Rules changes for 2019 and 2020

HomerJones45 : 3/14/2019 11:36 am
-Inning breaks reduced by 5 seconds for local games and 25 seconds for national games

- Mound visits cut to 5 from 6

- No more August trades. Players can be waived and claimed off waivers but can't be traded after passing through waivers

- Changes to All Star game voting

- Home Run Derby winner prize increased to 1 million

Further rules changes in 2020

- Pitchers must face a minimum of 3 batters or one-half inning. No more LOOGY

- Rosters increased by 1 and to 28 in September. No expanded 40 man rosters in September

- Players must be designated as either pitcher or batter on the roster and a cap on the number of pitchers on the roster. Once designated, cannot be switched

- Two way players can be designated for the roster provided player has accrued 20 innings as a pitcher and 20 ML games started as a dh or position player. No more Ohtani's

- Players not designated on the roster as pitchers cannot pitch except in extra innings or any game where the team is losing or winning by 6

- DL period back up to 15 days. Too much manipulation of the 10 day DL to rotate pitchers.

The three-batter minimum is terrible.  
bceagle05 : 3/14/2019 11:39 am : link
I know pitching changes are irritating, but you're ruining the integrity of the game. What if a pitcher clearly has nothing?
That Ohtani rule probably won t matter because he's singular  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2019 11:39 am : link
But god, what a stupid rule.
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Danny Kanell : 3/14/2019 11:40 am : link
Are these actual changes or proposed changes? Some of these are really drastic!
Three batter rule is bonkers  
Oscar : 3/14/2019 11:42 am : link
I get the purpose but sometimes a pitcher wonít have it and will get shelled and itís obvious right away. Three batters minimum could mean giving up multiple runs without being able to do anything.
I'm  
mitch300 : 3/14/2019 11:43 am : link
confused on No more August trades. Players can be waived and claimed off waivers but can't be traded after passing through waivers.
Does this mean if a player clears waivers, a team can then get the player for free?( doesn't have to give up a prospect or another player)
I really dislike this stuff.  
bigbluehoya : 3/14/2019 11:43 am : link
Pandering to win over a base that mostly just don't like the sport...
RE: The three-batter minimum is terrible.  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14336349 bceagle05 said:
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I know pitching changes are irritating, but you're ruining the integrity of the game. What if a pitcher clearly has nothing?

That an and the Ohtani rule are stupid. What happens if a new pitcher comes in and is injured while facing his first batter?
RE: I really dislike this stuff.  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14336368 bigbluehoya said:
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Pandering to win over a base that mostly just don't like the sport...

This is exactly right. The NFL has been changing rules to pander to new and fair weather fans while irritating the diehards.
I would argue that most of the NFL changes are about player safety  
Andy in Halifax : 3/14/2019 11:58 am : link
But these MLB rules are odd. Kinda remind me of golf rules, which often don't seem to make sense.

A player can pitch AND hit well... let him!

Pitching changes suck, but only because they take too long. Just find a way to speed up the process. Cart them in, give them 30 seconds to prepare, then play ball. Something like that.
Stupid in pointless  
fanofthejets : 3/14/2019 11:59 am : link
Just a hailmary appeal to braindead millennials, who will continue to ignore baseball for the most part

Baseball was fine as it is.
RE: Three batter rule is bonkers  
fanofthejets : 3/14/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14336358 Oscar said:
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I get the purpose but sometimes a pitcher wonít have it and will get shelled and itís obvious right away. Three batters minimum could mean giving up multiple runs without being able to do anything.


That rule is so outrageously stupid that I can see them reconsidering it
RE: RE: Three batter rule is bonkers  
Steve in ATL : 3/14/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14336422 fanofthejets said:
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I get the purpose but sometimes a pitcher wonít have it and will get shelled and itís obvious right away. Three batters minimum could mean giving up multiple runs without being able to do anything.



That rule is so outrageously stupid that I can see them reconsidering it


Surprised that the players union agreed to it. The LOOGY market is going to take a hit.

RE: RE: The three-batter minimum is terrible.  
Mad Mike : 3/14/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14336398 Jay on the Island said:
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What happens if a new pitcher comes in and is injured while facing his first batter?

Injury and illness are excepted.
All of this stinks except expanding the roster by 1 player.  
Red Dog : 3/14/2019 12:15 pm : link
This from a Yankee fan since the very early 1950's.
RE: RE: RE: The three-batter minimum is terrible.  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 3/14/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14336430 Mad Mike said:
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What happens if a new pitcher comes in and is injured while facing his first batter?


Injury and illness are excepted.


There's going to be a lot of Loogy tummyaches.
RE: RE: RE: The three-batter minimum is terrible.  
mitch300 : 3/14/2019 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14336430 Mad Mike said:
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What happens if a new pitcher comes in and is injured while facing his first batter?


Injury and illness are excepted.

You will start see this.
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The 3 man rule  
Metnut : 3/14/2019 12:20 pm : link
addresses a real problem but if overkill. Capping the number of pitchers on the roster (if the cap is low enough) will do this just fine.
RE: The 3 man rule  
Mad Mike : 3/14/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14336487 Metnut said:
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addresses a real problem but if overkill. Capping the number of pitchers on the roster (if the cap is low enough) will do this just fine.

Agreed, I think it's unnecessary to do both.
thoughts  
RasputinPrime : 3/14/2019 12:23 pm : link
3 batter minimum is awful. I get it but I really really don't like it. Seems to give NL managers a clear path to victory in matchups.

1 million dollar prize in derby? Judge and Gallo now potentially interested...?

Designating pitcher/hitter I like alot. Last few years managers have thrown out position players instead of using their relievers in games out of hand. Enough of that. It isn't an anti-Ohtani because all you have to do is designate a player as a pitcher/hitter until they have accrued enough time as both.
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RasputinPrime : 3/14/2019 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14336491 Mad Mike said:
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addresses a real problem but if overkill. Capping the number of pitchers on the roster (if the cap is low enough) will do this just fine.


Agreed, I think it's unnecessary to do both.


Agreed. I remember teams carrying only 10 pitchers for a long time. I find it absurd that there is such concern for "keeping players fresh" but teams are carrying only 3 bench players.
RE: The three-batter minimum is terrible.  
rnargi : 3/14/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14336349 bceagle05 said:
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I know pitching changes are irritating, but you're ruining the integrity of the game. What if a pitcher clearly has nothing?


You yank him after 3 batters.
RE: RE: The three-batter minimum is terrible.  
rnargi : 3/14/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14336398 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14336349 bceagle05 said:


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I know pitching changes are irritating, but you're ruining the integrity of the game. What if a pitcher clearly has nothing?


That an and the Ohtani rule are stupid. What happens if a new pitcher comes in and is injured while facing his first batter?


C'mon...if injured, he'd come out like anyone else.
RE: RE: The three-batter minimum is terrible.  
Metnut : 3/14/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14336510 rnargi said:
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I know pitching changes are irritating, but you're ruining the integrity of the game. What if a pitcher clearly has nothing?



You yank him after 3 batters.


Can always issue a few IBBs.
RE: That Ohtani rule probably won t matter because he's singular  
Beer Man : 3/14/2019 12:38 pm : link
In comment 14336351 Greg from LI said:
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But god, what a stupid rule.
+1
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 12:40 pm : link
I really hate the 3 batter minimum. Really, really hate it.
Yeah the three batter rule is  
section125 : 3/14/2019 1:31 pm : link
absurd.
Really surprised they didn't go to 26 man roster and max 13 pitchers...or did I miss that.
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HomerJones45 : 3/14/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14336352 Danny Kanell said:
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Are these actual changes or proposed changes? Some of these are really drastic!
Actual. Announced by MLB in conjunction with the Union
RE: I'm  
HomerJones45 : 3/14/2019 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14336364 mitch300 said:
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confused on No more August trades. Players can be waived and claimed off waivers but can't be traded after passing through waivers.
Does this mean if a player clears waivers, a team can then get the player for free?( doesn't have to give up a prospect or another player)
That's what it seems.
the 3 batter rule  
Steve in ATL : 3/14/2019 3:09 pm : link
is for 3 batters or the end of the half inning.

The rule may be in response to managers like Gabe Kapler who would use a million pitchers in a game. Constant pitching changes slow the game down.
I think the only way to keep it fair  
Bill L : 3/14/2019 3:23 pm : link
is to prohibit PPH for the first 3 batters after a pitching change
PH  
Bill L : 3/14/2019 3:24 pm : link
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Can a pitcher - pitch run?  
Drewcon40 : 3/14/2019 3:27 pm : link
The Mets have done that with deGrom and Matz in the past.
^^PINCH run  
Drewcon40 : 3/14/2019 3:28 pm : link
sorry guys.
RE: Can a pitcher - pitch run?  
Mad Mike : 3/14/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14337085 Drewcon40 said:
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The Mets have done that with deGrom and Matz in the past.

Yes, the rule simple limits non-pitchers being used as pitchers. It doesn't even limit a pitcher being used as a position player.
RE: the 3 batter rule  
bluepepper : 3/14/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14337022 Steve in ATL said:
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is for 3 batters or the end of the half inning.

The rule may be in response to managers like Gabe Kapler who would use a million pitchers in a game. Constant pitching changes slow the game down.

I guess the argument is that a guy who doesn't have it will not get anyone out so it's 3 batters. But really, how often is a guy taken out after one or two batters because he just has nothing? I'd imagine the vast majority of situations a guy could stay in but the manager planned to yank him or has him on a very short leash for whatever reason and gets antsy. That doesn't mean the guy is out there just throwing batting practice and has no chance to get anyone out - that's very rare I'd think.

I'm fine with these changes...  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 10:10 am : link
but they continue to refuse to deal with the heart of the matter - pace of play. Start enforcing it.

I'd also like to see changes made to extra innings - if after 12 innings you are still tied, so be it. Football and hockey sometimes end in ties - so what, especially over 162 games. Fans dont stick around to watch 16 innings, especially on weeknights, and it puts a lot of stress on players, especially reliever arms.

I think the 3 batter rule is good for the game and good for the health of relief pitchers. Guys like Kapler and even Joe Torre ruined so many promising young careers by having a guy throw 80 games a year....
RE: RE: Three batter rule is bonkers  
Percy : 3/17/2019 10:17 pm : link
In comment 14336422 fanofthejets said:
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I get the purpose but sometimes a pitcher wonít have it and will get shelled and itís obvious right away. Three batters minimum could mean giving up multiple runs without being able to do anything.



That rule is so outrageously stupid that I can see them reconsidering it


Glad I read the thread. This is, I agree, idiotic. And no, I am not that worried about some games being slowed down absent this new rule. How many? And under what circumstances? A total non-problem. Get rid of this new idea.
How about batters canít stroll outside of the batters box  
Dave in PA : 3/17/2019 10:39 pm : link
After every pitch. Nomar used to be the worst with this, but Cano is really bad too.
RE: Yeah the three batter rule is  
shyster : 3/18/2019 7:50 am : link
In comment 14336740 section125 said:
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absurd.
Really surprised they didn't go to 26 man roster and max 13 pitchers...or did I miss that.


They did go to 26 for 2020. It's in the OP but somewhat run together with the September change. "Rosters increased by 1 AND to 28 in September."

The number of pitchers will be capped but the exact number is yet to be decided. Previous discussion did suggest 13 until Sept 1, and then 14.
RE: How about batters canít stroll outside of the batters box  
mfsd : 3/18/2019 8:19 am : link
In comment 14344194 Dave in PA said:
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After every pitch. Nomar used to be the worst with this, but Cano is really bad too.


Amen. This is the biggest time suck of all, not managers playing pitching matchups late in games, not the intentional walks, and not a pitch clock on pitchers.

Nomar was brutal. Ortiz had to step out and fidget with his gloves for 5 minutes after every pitch. Lots of other culprits too.

Put a clock on hitters - every time theyíre not ready to hit within 15 seconds of the previous pitch, they get fined $10k. Fine goes up to $20k after 20 offenses. $50k after 50 offenses.

Problem solved.
This is about money, and they are blowing it  
WideRight : 3/18/2019 8:49 am : link
The reasoning is completely flawed and will backfire.

The popularity of the game is in decline, and they "logical" assumption is that rule changes will increase the popularity. They are drawing on the NFL experience in fashioning a made-for-TV product. They want the TV money

Problem is these changes are incremental, and it will probably take alot before any measurable progress is made, and if they are succesful the other sports will simply change their games, because they don't care about integrity. So they will ruin their game with very little chance of success.

They have to contiune to maintain the intrerity of the game and the fan experience. Going to a baseball game is much more fun than going to a football game. When I'm at a football game I'm far removed from the game and very aware of what I'm missing on TV

And since its about money, they should do the obvious: get rid of the umpires. They are no longer needed and will cut league costs by far more than they will gain with these useless rule changes
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