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NFT: Tesla Model Y SUV debut today....

rmc3981 : 3/14/2019 12:41 pm
Any thoughts?
I wouldn't buy anything  
Gman11 : 3/14/2019 12:48 pm : link
Elon Musk is selling. I don't trust him standing behind his product if things go wrong. And, where do I take my vehicle when things go wrong? I'm in a small town in central NC. There are no dealerships to service them and I don't know how many independent mechanics are qualified to service them. I'll wait until the GMs, Toyotas, Hondas, etc. of the world come up with a comparable vehicle.
Does it come with a fire extinguisher?  
Britt in VA : 3/14/2019 12:49 pm : link
?
not only that but  
totowa_gman : 3/14/2019 12:52 pm : link
the X is like 50% off what it originally cost. All those people got killed that purchased early.
literally.  
Britt in VA : 3/14/2019 12:53 pm : link
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Tesla will be a distant memory in 4 years  
AnnapolisMike : 3/14/2019 12:53 pm : link
Daimler, BMW, VW, GM and the Japanese will be out with products which are better made, designed and most importantly can be serviced by an extensive dealer network.

Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.
RE: not only that but  
AnnapolisMike : 3/14/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14336573 totowa_gman said:
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the X is like 50% off what it originally cost. All those people got killed that purchased early.


They lost a federal credit and price where reduced by 12% (I think)

I have driven a Model X. It is really, really cool. It's super fast. But, for $100,000 there are far better vehicles on the market that are priced in the $60k range.
RE: RE: not only that but  
totowa_gman : 3/14/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14336585 AnnapolisMike said:
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In comment 14336573 totowa_gman said:


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the X is like 50% off what it originally cost. All those people got killed that purchased early.



They lost a federal credit and price where reduced by 12% (I think)

I have driven a Model X. It is really, really cool. It's super fast. But, for $100,000 there are far better vehicles on the market that are priced in the $60k range.


You are right, I was going by what a friend told me this morning. My mistake
This looks cool  
Metnut : 3/14/2019 1:12 pm : link
Everyone I know who has a Tesla loves the car. Best part is not having to deal with the hassle of dealerships.

I've never had a good experience at a dealership. Constant attempts at upselling and all sorts of opaque pricing and even scams. Last time my dad bought a car through one, after the deal was thought to be closed, some shady "financing" dude tried to sell him all sorts of rip offs like "gap insurance" and similar awful insurance products. The guy was getting hostile as I told him my dad wouldn't be spending another nickle above the price negotiated for the car. Life is too short to deal with crap like that.

Gap insurance is no rip off if you need it  
AnnapolisMike : 3/14/2019 1:22 pm : link
You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.

Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.



RE: Gap insurance is no rip off if you need it  
ron mexico : 3/14/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14336695 AnnapolisMike said:
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You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.

Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.




Sounds like a better idea than buying gap insurance is to buy a car you can afford.
RE: Gap insurance is no rip off if you need it  
Metnut : 3/14/2019 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14336695 AnnapolisMike said:
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You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.

Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.




If I'm not liquid enough to pay $6K, then buying a $40K car is crazy. Paying more per month for ripoff gap insurance is even worse.
Why is Tesla even a thing?  
Knineteen : 3/14/2019 1:28 pm : link
Spend $50K on a car to save $1K a year in gas.

My plain and normal Honda gets 40 MPG.
RE: RE: Gap insurance is no rip off if you need it  
AnnapolisMike : 3/14/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14336726 Metnut said:
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In comment 14336695 AnnapolisMike said:


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You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.

Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.


If I'm not liquid enough to pay $6K, then buying a $40K car is crazy. Paying more per month for ripoff gap insurance is even worse.


The average car price is $34k. Like any type of insurance, it protects you if something happens. If you have the money lying around it is great. But most folks will be in a negative equity position on a car for the first 3 years. Paying an extra $20 a month might be worth it for some folks that might not be in the same position as others.

RE: Why is Tesla even a thing?  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14336729 Knineteen said:
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Spend $50K on a car to save $1K a year in gas.

My plain and normal Honda gets 40 MPG.


The rich in this country didn't have enough subsidies.
we see Teslas all over Vancouver  
RasputinPrime : 3/14/2019 1:39 pm : link
and there are more charging stations downtown than gas-stations (one left).
Also,  
NoPeanutz : 3/14/2019 1:39 pm : link
Teslas are fugly.
RE: Tesla will be a distant memory in 4 years  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14336577 AnnapolisMike said:
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Daimler, BMW, VW, GM and the Japanese will be out with products which are better made, designed and most importantly can be serviced by an extensive dealer network.

Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.


And some of them will actually be affordable for the middle class without gimmicks like claiming your gas savings reduces the cost of the car...
I have a Model 3  
scotepsu22 : 3/14/2019 1:45 pm : link
And it's by far the best, most fun car I've ever owned after having 3 from Audi and 2 from Lexus. And it gets better every month with new software releases and features.

Between state + Fed tax credits, gas savings and much lower maintenance costs it's a no brainer. Can't wait to see the Y later.
I just ordered a Model 3 on Saturday...  
moze1021 : 3/14/2019 2:07 pm : link
Can not WAIT to get it.

Coming from a loaded 2016 328xi

RE: RE: Tesla will be a distant memory in 4 years  
moze1021 : 3/14/2019 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14336765 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14336577 AnnapolisMike said:


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Daimler, BMW, VW, GM and the Japanese will be out with products which are better made, designed and most importantly can be serviced by an extensive dealer network.

Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.



And some of them will actually be affordable for the middle class without gimmicks like claiming your gas savings reduces the cost of the car...


Well...why wouldn't you factor in gas savings when evaluating affordability? Spreadsheet I used to make my decision took my actual MPG and average gas price and compared to my friends actual efficiency of is Model 3 and my electricity price... assuming I drive 10-12k miles a year I'm going to save $80-$100 per month...
^consumers SHOULD do that  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 2:12 pm : link
no argument here. It's pretty sketchy for a company to use those savings when marketing its sticker price though.
RE: ^consumers SHOULD do that  
moze1021 : 3/14/2019 2:19 pm : link
In comment 14336854 giants#1 said:
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no argument here. It's pretty sketchy for a company to use those savings when marketing its sticker price though.


I guess I understand... but their website is pretty clear about what the actual price is vs the "after savings" price (which considers fed tax credit, any state incentives, and gas savings)...

You know what I think is sketchy? That traditional dealers have a fictitious "sticker price" and taking advantage of some who don't understand they should be negotiating that price down.
RE: This looks cool  
Photoguy : 3/14/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14336655 Metnut said:
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Everyone I know who has a Tesla loves the car. Best part is not having to deal with the hassle of dealerships.

I've never had a good experience at a dealership. Constant attempts at upselling and all sorts of opaque pricing and even scams. Last time my dad bought a car through one, after the deal was thought to be closed, some shady "financing" dude tried to sell him all sorts of rip offs like "gap insurance" and similar awful insurance products. The guy was getting hostile as I told him my dad wouldn't be spending another nickle above the price negotiated for the car. Life is too short to deal with crap like that.



Dealerships get a bad rap, and it's entirely justified in a lot of cases. I don't go to a dealership unless it's for a recall, and my 2012 has done pretty well as far as recalls. O/W, I go to my tried and true mechanic down the street.
15 years ago  
Photoguy : 3/14/2019 2:25 pm : link
an electric car was still a pipe dream, and as the technology gets better, so will the cars. I can see my youngest granddaughter(7) TOTALLY driving an affordable electric car in the future.
I love my model x  
WhoCares : 3/14/2019 2:32 pm : link
I don't think people should knock it before they try it.
When the head of the company  
Gman11 : 3/14/2019 2:36 pm : link
is a lying, dirt bag how can you trust his company to do the right thing? Sure, everything's fine 3 months into owning one of his cares, but what about 3 years from now?
Link - ( New Window )
RE: I love my model x  
Knineteen : 3/14/2019 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14336916 WhoCares said:
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I don't think people should knock it before they try it.

I would love an M5, doesn't mean I'm going to shell-out $100K for it.

I also think Tesla appeals to car connoisseurs. For the rest of us who view cars as function-only, a Tesla is all overhead.
Aren't electric cars cheaper to maintain and have less down time  
Ira : 3/14/2019 2:54 pm : link
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RE: Aren't electric cars cheaper to maintain and have less down time  
moze1021 : 3/14/2019 3:06 pm : link
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Supposedly, yes.
RE: Aren't electric cars cheaper to maintain and have less down time  
giants#1 : 3/14/2019 3:09 pm : link
In comment 14336976 Ira said:
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If the build quality is the same then they should be since they have fewer moving parts and don't require oil changes. Some reports have not been so favorable about the Model 3 build quality in particular though.
RE: I love my model x  
Les in TO : 3/14/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14336916 WhoCares said:
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I don't think people should knock it before they try it.
haters gonna hate.
I'd buy a  
Bill in UT : 3/14/2019 5:07 pm : link
737 before I bought a Tesla
RE: I'd buy a  
section125 : 3/14/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14337567 Bill in UT said:
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737 before I bought a Tesla


Nothing wrong with a 737.
Seriously, electric cars will  
section125 : 3/14/2019 5:36 pm : link
take off when they can travel more than 250/300 miles. When they get to 600-800 miles per charge, people will buy them. If you want to go that route, hybrids are better as of now.
RE: Seriously, electric cars will  
Jim in Fairfax : 3/14/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14337753 section125 said:
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take off when they can travel more than 250/300 miles. When they get to 600-800 miles per charge, people will buy them. If you want to go that route, hybrids are better as of now.

The Model 3 can already do that.

They’ll really take off when autonomous vehicles take off.
I'm pretty sure they are already taking off..  
moze1021 : 3/14/2019 8:22 pm : link
And the V3 superchargers announced last week make trips longer than 250 miles even more convenient

I have 4 friends who own Teslas  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/14/2019 8:31 pm : link
and absolutely love them. The electric car is the future. Tesla isn't going anywhere. It's a VERY young company compared to most and there will be growing pains.
RE: RE: I'd buy a  
Hsilwek92 : 3/14/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14337743 section125 said:
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In comment 14337567 Bill in UT said:


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737 before I bought a Tesla



Nothing wrong with a 737.


I think the FAA would disagree right now.
Some details on the Model Y - 4 basic options  
Ira : 3/15/2019 7:16 am : link
1) 230 mile range - 0-60 5.9 sec - $39k starting price
2) Long range (300 miles) - 0-60 5.5 sec - $47k starting price
3) Dual Motor AWD (280) - 0-60 4.8 sec - $51k starting price
4) Dual Motor Performance (280) - 0-60 3.5 sec - $60k starting price

Panoramic glass roof; option to seat 7

IMO, this will be their most successful car.


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let's see more Musk personal investment  
mdc1 : 3/15/2019 12:12 pm : link
instead of govt corporate welfare
RE: I have 4 friends who own Teslas  
NoPeanutz : 3/15/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14338402 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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and absolutely love them. The electric car is the future. Tesla isn't going anywhere. It's a VERY young company compared to most and there will be growing pains.

They're not gonna say that they spent $60k to be an early adopter and the product sucks.
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