Elon Musk is selling. I don't trust him standing behind his product if things go wrong. And, where do I take my vehicle when things go wrong? I'm in a small town in central NC. There are no dealerships to service them and I don't know how many independent mechanics are qualified to service them. I'll wait until the GMs, Toyotas, Hondas, etc. of the world come up with a comparable vehicle.
Daimler, BMW, VW, GM and the Japanese will be out with products which are better made, designed and most importantly can be serviced by an extensive dealer network.
Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.
the X is like 50% off what it originally cost. All those people got killed that purchased early.
They lost a federal credit and price where reduced by 12% (I think)
I have driven a Model X. It is really, really cool. It's super fast. But, for $100,000 there are far better vehicles on the market that are priced in the $60k range.
the X is like 50% off what it originally cost. All those people got killed that purchased early.
They lost a federal credit and price where reduced by 12% (I think)
I have driven a Model X. It is really, really cool. It's super fast. But, for $100,000 there are far better vehicles on the market that are priced in the $60k range.
You are right, I was going by what a friend told me this morning. My mistake
Everyone I know who has a Tesla loves the car. Best part is not having to deal with the hassle of dealerships.
I've never had a good experience at a dealership. Constant attempts at upselling and all sorts of opaque pricing and even scams. Last time my dad bought a car through one, after the deal was thought to be closed, some shady "financing" dude tried to sell him all sorts of rip offs like "gap insurance" and similar awful insurance products. The guy was getting hostile as I told him my dad wouldn't be spending another nickle above the price negotiated for the car. Life is too short to deal with crap like that.
You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.
Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.
You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.
Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.
Sounds like a better idea than buying gap insurance is to buy a car you can afford.
You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.
Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.
If I'm not liquid enough to pay $6K, then buying a $40K car is crazy. Paying more per month for ripoff gap insurance is even worse.
You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.
Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.
If I'm not liquid enough to pay $6K, then buying a $40K car is crazy. Paying more per month for ripoff gap insurance is even worse.
The average car price is $34k. Like any type of insurance, it protects you if something happens. If you have the money lying around it is great. But most folks will be in a negative equity position on a car for the first 3 years. Paying an extra $20 a month might be worth it for some folks that might not be in the same position as others.
Daimler, BMW, VW, GM and the Japanese will be out with products which are better made, designed and most importantly can be serviced by an extensive dealer network.
Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.
And some of them will actually be affordable for the middle class without gimmicks like claiming your gas savings reduces the cost of the car...
And it's by far the best, most fun car I've ever owned after having 3 from Audi and 2 from Lexus. And it gets better every month with new software releases and features.
Between state + Fed tax credits, gas savings and much lower maintenance costs it's a no brainer. Can't wait to see the Y later.
Daimler, BMW, VW, GM and the Japanese will be out with products which are better made, designed and most importantly can be serviced by an extensive dealer network.
Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.
And some of them will actually be affordable for the middle class without gimmicks like claiming your gas savings reduces the cost of the car...
Well...why wouldn't you factor in gas savings when evaluating affordability? Spreadsheet I used to make my decision took my actual MPG and average gas price and compared to my friends actual efficiency of is Model 3 and my electricity price... assuming I drive 10-12k miles a year I'm going to save $80-$100 per month...
no argument here. It's pretty sketchy for a company to use those savings when marketing its sticker price though.
I guess I understand... but their website is pretty clear about what the actual price is vs the "after savings" price (which considers fed tax credit, any state incentives, and gas savings)...
You know what I think is sketchy? That traditional dealers have a fictitious "sticker price" and taking advantage of some who don't understand they should be negotiating that price down.
Everyone I know who has a Tesla loves the car. Best part is not having to deal with the hassle of dealerships.
I've never had a good experience at a dealership. Constant attempts at upselling and all sorts of opaque pricing and even scams. Last time my dad bought a car through one, after the deal was thought to be closed, some shady "financing" dude tried to sell him all sorts of rip offs like "gap insurance" and similar awful insurance products. The guy was getting hostile as I told him my dad wouldn't be spending another nickle above the price negotiated for the car. Life is too short to deal with crap like that.
Dealerships get a bad rap, and it's entirely justified in a lot of cases. I don't go to a dealership unless it's for a recall, and my 2012 has done pretty well as far as recalls. O/W, I go to my tried and true mechanic down the street.
an electric car was still a pipe dream, and as the technology gets better, so will the cars. I can see my youngest granddaughter(7) TOTALLY driving an affordable electric car in the future.
is a lying, dirt bag how can you trust his company to do the right thing? Sure, everything's fine 3 months into owning one of his cares, but what about 3 years from now? Link - ( New Window )
If the build quality is the same then they should be since they have fewer moving parts and don't require oil changes. Some reports have not been so favorable about the Model 3 build quality in particular though.
take off when they can travel more than 250/300 miles. When they get to 600-800 miles per charge, people will buy them. If you want to go that route, hybrids are better as of now.
take off when they can travel more than 250/300 miles. When they get to 600-800 miles per charge, people will buy them. If you want to go that route, hybrids are better as of now.
The Model 3 can already do that.
They’ll really take off when autonomous vehicles take off.
and absolutely love them. The electric car is the future. Tesla isn't going anywhere. It's a VERY young company compared to most and there will be growing pains.
and absolutely love them. The electric car is the future. Tesla isn't going anywhere. It's a VERY young company compared to most and there will be growing pains.
They're not gonna say that they spent $60k to be an early adopter and the product sucks.
Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.
They lost a federal credit and price where reduced by 12% (I think)
I have driven a Model X. It is really, really cool. It's super fast. But, for $100,000 there are far better vehicles on the market that are priced in the $60k range.
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the X is like 50% off what it originally cost. All those people got killed that purchased early.
They lost a federal credit and price where reduced by 12% (I think)
I have driven a Model X. It is really, really cool. It's super fast. But, for $100,000 there are far better vehicles on the market that are priced in the $60k range.
You are right, I was going by what a friend told me this morning. My mistake
I've never had a good experience at a dealership. Constant attempts at upselling and all sorts of opaque pricing and even scams. Last time my dad bought a car through one, after the deal was thought to be closed, some shady "financing" dude tried to sell him all sorts of rip offs like "gap insurance" and similar awful insurance products. The guy was getting hostile as I told him my dad wouldn't be spending another nickle above the price negotiated for the car. Life is too short to deal with crap like that.
Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.
Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.
Sounds like a better idea than buying gap insurance is to buy a car you can afford.
Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.
If I'm not liquid enough to pay $6K, then buying a $40K car is crazy. Paying more per month for ripoff gap insurance is even worse.
My plain and normal Honda gets 40 MPG.
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You finance a 40k car with nothing down. 24 months in the car is worth 24k and you owe 30k and the car is wrecked. Congratulations....you now owe $6k to the bank. Have fun with that.
Some of those products are bullshit, but some are not.
If I'm not liquid enough to pay $6K, then buying a $40K car is crazy. Paying more per month for ripoff gap insurance is even worse.
The average car price is $34k. Like any type of insurance, it protects you if something happens. If you have the money lying around it is great. But most folks will be in a negative equity position on a car for the first 3 years. Paying an extra $20 a month might be worth it for some folks that might not be in the same position as others.
My plain and normal Honda gets 40 MPG.
The rich in this country didn't have enough subsidies.
Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.
And some of them will actually be affordable for the middle class without gimmicks like claiming your gas savings reduces the cost of the car...
Between state + Fed tax credits, gas savings and much lower maintenance costs it's a no brainer. Can't wait to see the Y later.
Coming from a loaded 2016 328xi
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Daimler, BMW, VW, GM and the Japanese will be out with products which are better made, designed and most importantly can be serviced by an extensive dealer network.
Maybe the brand will be purchased and live on that way. But as a standalone company I think they are doomed.
And some of them will actually be affordable for the middle class without gimmicks like claiming your gas savings reduces the cost of the car...
Well...why wouldn't you factor in gas savings when evaluating affordability? Spreadsheet I used to make my decision took my actual MPG and average gas price and compared to my friends actual efficiency of is Model 3 and my electricity price... assuming I drive 10-12k miles a year I'm going to save $80-$100 per month...
I guess I understand... but their website is pretty clear about what the actual price is vs the "after savings" price (which considers fed tax credit, any state incentives, and gas savings)...
You know what I think is sketchy? That traditional dealers have a fictitious "sticker price" and taking advantage of some who don't understand they should be negotiating that price down.
I've never had a good experience at a dealership. Constant attempts at upselling and all sorts of opaque pricing and even scams. Last time my dad bought a car through one, after the deal was thought to be closed, some shady "financing" dude tried to sell him all sorts of rip offs like "gap insurance" and similar awful insurance products. The guy was getting hostile as I told him my dad wouldn't be spending another nickle above the price negotiated for the car. Life is too short to deal with crap like that.
Dealerships get a bad rap, and it's entirely justified in a lot of cases. I don't go to a dealership unless it's for a recall, and my 2012 has done pretty well as far as recalls. O/W, I go to my tried and true mechanic down the street.
Link - ( New Window )
I would love an M5, doesn't mean I'm going to shell-out $100K for it.
I also think Tesla appeals to car connoisseurs. For the rest of us who view cars as function-only, a Tesla is all overhead.
Supposedly, yes.
If the build quality is the same then they should be since they have fewer moving parts and don't require oil changes. Some reports have not been so favorable about the Model 3 build quality in particular though.
Nothing wrong with a 737.
The Model 3 can already do that.
They’ll really take off when autonomous vehicles take off.
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737 before I bought a Tesla
Nothing wrong with a 737.
I think the FAA would disagree right now.
2) Long range (300 miles) - 0-60 5.5 sec - $47k starting price
3) Dual Motor AWD (280) - 0-60 4.8 sec - $51k starting price
4) Dual Motor Performance (280) - 0-60 3.5 sec - $60k starting price
Panoramic glass roof; option to seat 7
IMO, this will be their most successful car.
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They're not gonna say that they spent $60k to be an early adopter and the product sucks.