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OBJ never wanted out of NY

BleedBlue : 3/14/2019 3:37 pm
According to NFLN.

Doesnt change the fact ownership probably wanted him gone.

still interesting because i think many of us thought he kind of did want out and thought he was being held back by Eli
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I wonder when the 1st Party Boat Cruise on Lake Erie will be???  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/14/2019 4:10 pm : link
RE: It was within his power to stay  
Mike from Ohio : 3/14/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14337136 JonC said:
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just don't be an ungrateful dipshit and do things like the interview. I don't buy it.


Honestly I don't think he has much control over his mouth and what he says. It's called immaturity. I think he has that in spades.

I don't think he did that interview to express that he wanted to leave New York. I think he just says whatever imaginary tweet happens in his head in the moment.
I think Beckham is going to do great in Cleveland and they will win  
NoGainDayne : 3/14/2019 4:12 pm : link
for all the talk of character. He seems to be a guy that wants to be great more than most and wants to win more than most. That should be paramount in evaluating character.

A lot of people thought Baker Mayfield might have questionable character too. Those guys are winners not the traditional personality sense but the new versions. Guys that build their brand but put in the work too.

When that happens everyone here is going to come out and say that we had to do it or we couldn't make this work. All the things that we seem to think we "had to do" in the name of getting ourselves into this mess of a roster is starting to add up.

It is not a one way street anymore, employment doesn't work that it is always the person lower on the totem pole's fault and there needs to be this implicit reverence. Respect should be earned on an ongoing basis and i'm sorry but someone that inherited a team and fortune shouldn't get literally grandfathered into trust but this seems to be a popular opinion.

Did Beckham handle this perfectly? No. Did Mara? No. Yet everyone seems to want to act like this is Beckham's fault.

All these people saying Beckham wasn't about "team" well you know who should be more about "team" MARA. And he oversaw a big decline in our talent viability as a franchise.

Yea it was the interview itself  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 4:13 pm : link
and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.

Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.

Wake up.
RE: RE: It wasn't solely the interview either  
Tesla : 3/14/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14337219 jcn56 said:
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but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.



Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.


Yep. We need talented players...they don't need to be in the church choir to quote a former coach.
RE: It was within his power to stay  
Reb8thVA : 3/14/2019 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14337136 JonC said:
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just don't be an ungrateful dipshit and do things like the interview. I don't buy it.


My mouth has set back my career at times. Sometimes we all need to learn lessons the hard way.
I really hope  
Photoguy : 3/14/2019 4:15 pm : link
someday he finally matures to where he can look back at the last couple years here and wish he'd done it differently.
RE: Yea it was the interview itself  
ron mexico : 3/14/2019 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14337242 Chris684 said:
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and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.

Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.

Wake up.


over the past 5 years, OBJs track record is much better than Mara's

This is more insanity.  
NoGainDayne : 3/14/2019 4:20 pm : link
Do you really think Beckham is crying over getting to play with one of the best young QBs that have come into this league?

All this he wants to go to the west coast he's this he's that.

A lot of people have called out what a great teammate he is. Why is he the one that is going to regret this? He just got off a team that has been one of the worst in the league the last two years to a real ascending team.

That team went from 25-1 superbowl odds to 14-1 after he was traded. IE the 7th highest team now. the Giants sit at 10th worst. God damn it people stop with this nonsense. When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?
RE: This is more insanity.  
ron mexico : 3/14/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14337264 NoGainDayne said:
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Do you really think Beckham is crying over getting to play with one of the best young QBs that have come into this league?

All this he wants to go to the west coast he's this he's that.

A lot of people have called out what a great teammate he is. Why is he the one that is going to regret this? He just got off a team that has been one of the worst in the league the last two years to a real ascending team.

That team went from 25-1 superbowl odds to 14-1 after he was traded. IE the 7th highest team now. the Giants sit at 10th worst. God damn it people stop with this nonsense. When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?


thank you

They say you can't let the inmates run the asylum, well we need a new approach from our asylum runners as the current one isn't working.

So for the time being, I'm siding with the inmates.
RE: RE: RE: It wasn't solely the interview either  
j_rud : 3/14/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14337227 Dave in Hoboken said:
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but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.



Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.



Yep. The game and the business are moving in a more progressive direction. It's better the Giants learn to live and deal with this now as things go more and more in that direction before they lose anyother generational talents.


What does "progressive" even mean here? Sports is moving in a direction where it will be acceptable to throw teammates and coaches under the bus? I love Beckham but he was a bit of a knucklehead. More than a bit at times. Plenty of positive things as well; great with his fans, insanely talented, passionate and dedicated to his craft. And again, a knucklehead who would most likely still be here if he handled things differently.
I don't agree with most of what you said or say  
Bill L : 3/14/2019 4:24 pm : link
but I do agree that OBJ won't hate CLE. t's not a bad spot for him or a bad place to live (from what I hear).
RE: This is more insanity.  
Default : 3/14/2019 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14337264 NoGainDayne said:
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When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?


I think most fans see it now.
I just think there is a loud contingency of super-fans here that can't separate reality and fantasy.
LOL  
ZogZerg : 3/14/2019 4:25 pm : link
Yeah sure he didn't.
Stop the nonsense already.
RE: Yea it was the interview itself  
Mike from Ohio : 3/14/2019 4:25 pm : link
In comment 14337242 Chris684 said:
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and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.

Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.

Wake up.


You'd be a hell of a contributor to this board if you were half as smart as you believe yourself to be. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you aren't.
Kim Jones should be careful  
rsjem1979 : 3/14/2019 4:26 pm : link
Carrying all this water can't be good for someone who recently experienced major health problems.
If they thought Odell was a distraction and we’re sick of the  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 4:27 pm : link
questions, just wait until they’re 1-5 and Cleveland is in first in the AFC North and Odell is playing well.

They thought the Odell questions were bad when he was here?
RE: RE: RE: RE: It wasn't solely the interview either  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14337270 j_rud said:
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but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.



Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.



Yep. The game and the business are moving in a more progressive direction. It's better the Giants learn to live and deal with this now as things go more and more in that direction before they lose anyother generational talents.



What does "progressive" even mean here? Sports is moving in a direction where it will be acceptable to throw teammates and coaches under the bus? I love Beckham but he was a bit of a knucklehead. More than a bit at times. Plenty of positive things as well; great with his fans, insanely talented, passionate and dedicated to his craft. And again, a knucklehead who would most likely still be here if he handled things differently.


What I mean by 'progressive' is that if you think doing an interview on ESPN (with Little Wayne) is bad or unforgivable by the organization because he doesn't put over every aspect of a team that has struggled mightily for several consecutive seasons (including for 2 straight seasons before Beckham was even drafted), that the Giants are going to be looking to trade alot more players in the future.

Not everyone is a choir boy. Not everyone is going to be a boy scout in the locker room. That doesn't mean if it's someone the entire room hates, they shouldn't get rid of him, but apparently that wasn't the case here within in the locker room.
RE: RE: This is more insanity.  
NoGainDayne : 3/14/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14337276 Default said:
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When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?



I think most fans see it now.
I just think there is a loud contingency of super-fans here that can't separate reality and fantasy.


Sadly there seems to be a real correlation with people connected with the team and this insular self-righteous we know better no matter how bad this gets attitude. Being resistant to change has always been risky but the world is moving faster now, it's downright poisonous today.

RE: RE: Yea it was the interview itself  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14337282 Mike from Ohio said:
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and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.

Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.

Wake up.



You'd be a hell of a contributor to this board if you were half as smart as you believe yourself to be. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you aren't.


+1.
Glad I have Mike from Ohio's  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 4:31 pm : link
"good BBI poster" stamp of approval.

WTF are you again?

Besides, about 5 people believed Odell Beckham was going to be traded as of around 7pm on Tuesday night and yours truly was one of them.

Give me a little credit Mikey.
RE: Kim Jones should be careful  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14337286 rsjem1979 said:
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Carrying all this water can't be good for someone who recently experienced major health problems.


That’s classy. And I got a warning for calling out Pat Hanlons schtick.
And there's Dismal Dave chiming in on the topic again  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 4:33 pm : link
Here is what Dismal Dave offered up on Tuesday pre-trade.

Beckham being traded gets talk about almost
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 1:55 pm : link : reply
all of the time, yet never happens.

Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
RE: RE: Kim Jones should be careful  
rsjem1979 : 3/14/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14337303 ajr2456 said:
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Carrying all this water can't be good for someone who recently experienced major health problems.



That’s classy. And I got a warning for calling out Pat Hanlons schtick.


I don't wish her any ill health. Whatever personal friendship she has with Beckham makes it impossible to believe her version of events is at all objective.
RE: And there's Dismal Dave chiming in on the topic again  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14337313 Chris684 said:
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Here is what Dismal Dave offered up on Tuesday pre-trade.

Beckham being traded gets talk about almost
Dave in Hoboken : 3/12/2019 1:55 pm : link : reply
all of the time, yet never happens.

Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.


Sure, I was wrong about that. But I've been right about the performance of the team for consecutive seasons now.

I'll take that batting average anyday of the week, brother.
No you've just been a whiney bitch  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 4:35 pm : link
There's a big difference.
Odell forced the trade through his behavior  
markky : 3/14/2019 4:36 pm : link
Especially at the end of the season. Now he's just trying to repair some PR damage. That's all it is.

Smart money says he blows up in Cleveland as well.
RE: No you've just been a whiney bitch  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14337324 Chris684 said:
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There's a big difference.


*whiny

And why, exactly? Because I'm a fan that doesn't agree with every move a franchise that's been struggling for all of these years, makes?

Okay, I'm a 'whiney bitch', then, I suppose. I'd rather be that than defend some of these awful decisions the franchise has been making for awhile now.
Someone posted this as a joke on another thread but I really feel like  
NoGainDayne : 3/14/2019 4:37 pm : link
the way people talk this is who they'd like for GM.

1) 5 year plan? Check!

2) No nonsense? Check! Check!!

3) Insular? Controlling? One of the top people!!

4) Rubs some the wrong way but has a tried and true solution for it? His solution to this problem never fails!

5) Old? Almost too old you might say!

Who is this pick of the litter?



RE: Odell forced the trade through his behavior  
NoGainDayne : 3/14/2019 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14337325 markky said:
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Especially at the end of the season. Now he's just trying to repair some PR damage. That's all it is.

Smart money says he blows up in Cleveland as well.


Ok this is stupid in contrast to the Vegas odds. Literally the smartest money has this working. Let the parade of insanity continue!
We get it Odell didn’t do things the “Giant way”  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 4:41 pm : link
The myth that the Giants are classier and a cut above every franchise.

The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.

But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for John’s eyes.
Read a number of articles today  
Beer Man : 3/14/2019 4:41 pm : link
that all basically claimed that trading OBJ was not a football decision. The common thread was that he had become a major PIA off the field and that ownership decided he needed to be traded just a few months after he signed his big contract.
Someone who posts  
Mr. Bungle : 3/14/2019 4:43 pm : link
"alot" about 50 times a week on this site shouldn't be correcting anyone's typos.
It really doesn't matter anymore why  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/14/2019 4:55 pm : link
he was traded.


Unless it indicates excessive intractability on the part of the FO and ownership in dealing with flamboyant players.

And even then, maybe it still doesn't matter now.
FUCK YOU VERY MUCH  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 5:00 pm : link
ODELL
Think his Giant role after Barkleys great year and media  
TMS : 3/14/2019 5:02 pm : link
attention made him realize that he was not the top dog anymore in NYC. Great player huge EGO and the talent to go with it. If Barkley is a Barry Sanders and he may be with enough help. OBJ will be top dog somewhere else . Think he wants that role. Wish him luck. QBS and RB get all the glory on offense if they are good enough and they give them what they need. Think the Giants intend to do that with Barkley for a while anyway. MY rant.
RE: Glad I have Mike from Ohio's  
Mike from Ohio : 3/14/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14337300 Chris684 said:
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"good BBI poster" stamp of approval.

WTF are you again?

Besides, about 5 people believed Odell Beckham was going to be traded as of around 7pm on Tuesday night and yours truly was one of them.

Give me a little credit Mikey.


You believed a rumor??? NICE!!! Go grab a cookie from the jar Chrissy!
If he wanted to stay  
joeinpa : 3/14/2019 5:28 pm : link
He had a funny way of expressing that.
Everyone seems to be over thinking this.  
Captplanet : 3/14/2019 5:38 pm : link
The trade was about respecting the Giants Organization.

Odell's actions with the media, Behavior during games and off-field issues were starting to have a negative effect on his teammates. I'm not saying they hated Odell, but when your best player, highest paid player, the most popular player and the player who wants the mantle of leadership, goes on TV and states he is not happy with the team and wants to leave. Then says he is being held back by the team. Especially after that team just showed their "love" for him by making the player the highest paid at his position in the history of the NFL. Then he needs to go.
Bad organization holds onto players like hoping things will change.

For those who think this has to do with Eli. It has more to do with Engram, Sheppard and the rest of the team. If the Giants continued to let one player be above the rest, then why should anyone on the team respect the Giants Organization.
RE: Everyone seems to be over thinking this.  
ron mexico : 3/14/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14337764 Captplanet said:
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The trade was about respecting the Giants Organization.

Odell's actions with the media, Behavior during games and off-field issues were starting to have a negative effect on his teammates. I'm not saying they hated Odell, but when your best player, highest paid player, the most popular player and the player who wants the mantle of leadership, goes on TV and states he is not happy with the team and wants to leave. Then says he is being held back by the team. Especially after that team just showed their "love" for him by making the player the highest paid at his position in the history of the NFL. Then he needs to go.
Bad organization holds onto players like hoping things will change.

For those who think this has to do with Eli. It has more to do with Engram, Sheppard and the rest of the team. If the Giants continued to let one player be above the rest, then why should anyone on the team respect the Giants Organization.


I'm not so sure that organization deserves much respect anymore

It's been a tough decade for them

-new stadium fiasco
-kicker domestic abuse fiasco
-Eli benchgate
-botching the end of Elis career
-botching all of objs career with the team
RE: We get it Odell didn’t do things the “Giant way”  
Tesla : 3/14/2019 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14337342 ajr2456 said:
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The myth that the Giants are classier and a cut above every franchise.

The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.

But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for John’s eyes.


You forgot Michael Boley, who liked to slap his girlfriend around. And Christian Peter, who raped a girl in college and then attacked her in a bar, and was also convicted of groping Ms. Nebraska while in college.

RE: We get it Odell didn’t do things the “Giant way”  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/14/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14337342 ajr2456 said:
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The myth that the Giants are classier and a cut above every franchise.

The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.

But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for John’s eyes.

All that wouldn't be so bad, but Little Wayne was just too much.
Odell behaved as if he wanted out  
ArlingtonMike : 3/14/2019 6:26 pm : link
Much of this may be the lack of emotional maturity and wearing his heart on his sleeve. I’m less concerned with what he said vs his actual behavior on the field. His emotions consistently got the best of him. He was a distraction (and yes, I know his teammates loved him). Leaving the field early at halftime, not playing with a “mysterious” ailment, and showing up Eli.

his commentary demonstrated that he thinks of himself first and the team second. You don’t badmouth your QB and tell the owners and fans that NY is ok (my words) but ya love the LA sunshine. 2 months after getting 100M from those owners and this city. Just not smart and completely self absorbed and unaware.

I’m a season ticket holder. I love Odell and wish him well but don’t want him on my team.

I wonder how Baker Mayfield is going to handle OBJ’s little  
PhiPsi125 : 3/14/2019 6:54 pm : link
temper tantrums on the field every time he doesn’t get a perfect throw? Baker doesn’t seem to have the same reserved personality that Eli has. Cleveland will be an interesting watch this season.
RE: I wonder how Baker Mayfield is going to handle OBJ’s little  
montanagiant : 3/14/2019 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14338089 PhiPsi125 said:
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temper tantrums on the field every time he doesn’t get a perfect throw? Baker doesn’t seem to have the same reserved personality that Eli has. Cleveland will be an interesting watch this season.

It's going to be an issue. You have one ball to play with and you have Hunt, Landrey, Chubb, OBJ, and Njoku all wanting it.
Every analyst says Baker is "different"  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 7:30 pm : link
and has an alpha personality and won't have a problem putting those LSU fuck buddies in check when necessary.
None of the giants could keep him in check  
ArlingtonMike : 3/14/2019 7:38 pm : link
Including Eli, Cruz etc.

What makes you think an “in your face” guy is going to pull it off? They better win or it may get ugly.
RE: None of the giants could keep him in check  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14338291 ArlingtonMike said:
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Including Eli, Cruz etc.

What makes you think an “in your face” guy is going to pull it off? They better win or it may get ugly.


LOL, Eli and Cruz...what are they gonna do? Take Odell to the carnival and buy him cotton candy?
Who cares  
djm : 3/14/2019 7:47 pm : link
Giants needed to pull off a 3 for 1 type deal if they could. No one loved this guy more than I did and I think he could help vault Cleveland to good heights but no one, and that includes Beckham could promise the giants than Beckham wasn’t going to demand a trade sooner than later. Plus, the giants need to balance the roster out. Forget the term rebuild. Too much is made of rebuilding or going for it. The giants need fucking players. They needed to change shit up. This trade does that. And really, love the guy, but fuck Beckham and this bullshit that he never wanted to leave. The guy all but said he wasn’t sure he wanted to be here! Sorry dude, sell crazy bullshit elsewhere, we’ve had our fill.
That interview was absolute  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/14/2019 8:38 pm : link
Dogshit. It literally made zero sense.

Beckham made the conscious decision, 6 weeks prior, to sign a 5 year extention to stay with NY. So his comments were beyond headscratching.

I honestly don't think he wanted out (since he literally just signed an extention to stay)... I think he was frustrated by losing, shoddy QB play and no TDs up to that point.

That being said... It wasn't a good look and an absolute lapse in judgment.
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