Yes, i tend to agree there. i actually rewatched that yesterday and it ABSOLUTELY sounded like he didnt want to be in NY and that we were holding him back.
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but it's not hard to see it getting to that point with another season like last year. And at that point we may have found that his trade value has already peaked and we're settling for an offer similar to what the Steelers got.
The New York Giants wide receiver spoke out on a number of issues in an interview with ESPN's Josina Anderson that ran on Sunday NFL Countdown. Perhaps most notably, Beckham admitted he's unsure if he's happy with the Giants.
"It's a tough question," Beckham said. "Obviously, I love seeing the sunshine all the time. I love, you know, I love being in L.A. I just like that atmosphere, but this is where I'm at. I remember before games, I used to get that. I used to get butterflies, like good butterflies. I was anxious. And now when I step on the field, it's something completely different. It's not butterflies.
i think people make way too much of that interview, that it was some sort of strategic plot. i get it, OBJ seems pretty sophisticated about the media, so therefore if he didn't spout the company line he must be trying to accomplish something. or maybe he was asked a question and in that moment he gave an honest answer, and didnt really plot and plan.
i do think not enough is made of how personally john mara took it. this is a business. guys get cut all the time. the Giants paid him the going rate for a WR with his talents, they didn't give him a gift. we make fun of players who take their contract offers personally, who get offended by a team not trying to keep them in free agency. in the end, that guy wanted to win as much as any player I've ever watched, even if it sometimes got the best of him. who cares if he thinks he'd like to live in LA one day. not me
in response to a coach's comment - you're indicating that you want off that team, whether you know it or not.
None of these people would last a minute in the NBA... coaches or players. Kobe Bryant once demanded a trade from the Lakers. They ignored him and most importantly FIXED the team. They won 2 more championships. If the Giants are incapable of dealing with something as unimportant as the ESPN interview, then it's questionable whether they can deal with anything.
just don't be an ungrateful dipshit and do things like the interview. I don't buy it.
Agreed. He's more responsible for the trade than anyone else.
Too bad, he's a great talent. So many great talents never realize their potential because of self-destructive traits. I wonder if he's going to end up in that category.
But he wanted to leave for LA. Whether he had reason to believe he would end up with the Rams, I have no idea. Im sure there were discussions. Now that hes in Clevelsnd, reality has set in for him. Shit, Im in Cleveland?
Just my opinion. I honestly think for whatever reason he was convinced if he were traded it would be to LA. Oops!!!
but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
RE: He is going to drive everyone in Cleveland crazy
in response to a coach's comment - you're indicating that you want off that team, whether you know it or not.
None of these people would last a minute in the NBA... coaches or players. Kobe Bryant once demanded a trade from the Lakers. They ignored him and most importantly FIXED the team. They won 2 more championships. If the Giants are incapable of dealing with something as unimportant as the ESPN interview, then it's questionable whether they can deal with anything.
well said
If the interview is the main reason he is off the team, that is an incitement of management and ownership.
Want the picture of him and his classy lady friend and all their Coke to get posted on social media.
I dont think hes a bad kid. I think hes the type of guy that will continually be a Pai. in the ass. And for all the talk of his talent he wasnt anywhere near near the talent LT was. Doesnt mean he isnt an eventual HOF level guy but yeah. LT changed football. Maybe is te nextkost talented player. But without production, results, and the off field stuff he became expendable. And yeah. It may be a mistake still but hes the reason he isnt a Giant
but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Yep. The game and the business are moving in a more progressive direction. It's better the Giants learn to live and deal with this now as things go more and more in that direction before they lose anyother generational talents.
just don't be an ungrateful dipshit and do things like the interview. I don't buy it.
Honestly I don't think he has much control over his mouth and what he says. It's called immaturity. I think he has that in spades.
I don't think he did that interview to express that he wanted to leave New York. I think he just says whatever imaginary tweet happens in his head in the moment.
I think Beckham is going to do great in Cleveland and they will win
for all the talk of character. He seems to be a guy that wants to be great more than most and wants to win more than most. That should be paramount in evaluating character.
A lot of people thought Baker Mayfield might have questionable character too. Those guys are winners not the traditional personality sense but the new versions. Guys that build their brand but put in the work too.
When that happens everyone here is going to come out and say that we had to do it or we couldn't make this work. All the things that we seem to think we "had to do" in the name of getting ourselves into this mess of a roster is starting to add up.
It is not a one way street anymore, employment doesn't work that it is always the person lower on the totem pole's fault and there needs to be this implicit reverence. Respect should be earned on an ongoing basis and i'm sorry but someone that inherited a team and fortune shouldn't get literally grandfathered into trust but this seems to be a popular opinion.
Did Beckham handle this perfectly? No. Did Mara? No. Yet everyone seems to want to act like this is Beckham's fault.
All these people saying Beckham wasn't about "team" well you know who should be more about "team" MARA. And he oversaw a big decline in our talent viability as a franchise.
and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.
Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.
but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Yep. We need talented players...they don't need to be in the church choir to quote a former coach.
and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.
Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.
Wake up.
over the past 5 years, OBJs track record is much better than Mara's
Do you really think Beckham is crying over getting to play with one of the best young QBs that have come into this league?
All this he wants to go to the west coast he's this he's that.
A lot of people have called out what a great teammate he is. Why is he the one that is going to regret this? He just got off a team that has been one of the worst in the league the last two years to a real ascending team.
That team went from 25-1 superbowl odds to 14-1 after he was traded. IE the 7th highest team now. the Giants sit at 10th worst. God damn it people stop with this nonsense. When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?
Do you really think Beckham is crying over getting to play with one of the best young QBs that have come into this league?
All this he wants to go to the west coast he's this he's that.
A lot of people have called out what a great teammate he is. Why is he the one that is going to regret this? He just got off a team that has been one of the worst in the league the last two years to a real ascending team.
That team went from 25-1 superbowl odds to 14-1 after he was traded. IE the 7th highest team now. the Giants sit at 10th worst. God damn it people stop with this nonsense. When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?
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They say you can't let the inmates run the asylum, well we need a new approach from our asylum runners as the current one isn't working.
So for the time being, I'm siding with the inmates.
but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Yep. The game and the business are moving in a more progressive direction. It's better the Giants learn to live and deal with this now as things go more and more in that direction before they lose anyother generational talents.
What does "progressive" even mean here? Sports is moving in a direction where it will be acceptable to throw teammates and coaches under the bus? I love Beckham but he was a bit of a knucklehead. More than a bit at times. Plenty of positive things as well; great with his fans, insanely talented, passionate and dedicated to his craft. And again, a knucklehead who would most likely still be here if he handled things differently.
and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.
Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.
Wake up.
You'd be a hell of a contributor to this board if you were half as smart as you believe yourself to be. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you aren't.
but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Yep. The game and the business are moving in a more progressive direction. It's better the Giants learn to live and deal with this now as things go more and more in that direction before they lose anyother generational talents.
What does "progressive" even mean here? Sports is moving in a direction where it will be acceptable to throw teammates and coaches under the bus? I love Beckham but he was a bit of a knucklehead. More than a bit at times. Plenty of positive things as well; great with his fans, insanely talented, passionate and dedicated to his craft. And again, a knucklehead who would most likely still be here if he handled things differently.
What I mean by 'progressive' is that if you think doing an interview on ESPN (with Little Wayne) is bad or unforgivable by the organization because he doesn't put over every aspect of a team that has struggled mightily for several consecutive seasons (including for 2 straight seasons before Beckham was even drafted), that the Giants are going to be looking to trade alot more players in the future.
Not everyone is a choir boy. Not everyone is going to be a boy scout in the locker room. That doesn't mean if it's someone the entire room hates, they shouldn't get rid of him, but apparently that wasn't the case here within in the locker room.
When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?
I think most fans see it now.
I just think there is a loud contingency of super-fans here that can't separate reality and fantasy.
Sadly there seems to be a real correlation with people connected with the team and this insular self-righteous we know better no matter how bad this gets attitude. Being resistant to change has always been risky but the world is moving faster now, it's downright poisonous today.
and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.
Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.
Wake up.
You'd be a hell of a contributor to this board if you were half as smart as you believe yourself to be. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you aren't.
Carrying all this water can't be good for someone who recently experienced major health problems.
Thats classy. And I got a warning for calling out Pat Hanlons schtick.
I don't wish her any ill health. Whatever personal friendship she has with Beckham makes it impossible to believe her version of events is at all objective.
RE: And there's Dismal Dave chiming in on the topic again
And why, exactly? Because I'm a fan that doesn't agree with every move a franchise that's been struggling for all of these years, makes?
Okay, I'm a 'whiney bitch', then, I suppose. I'd rather be that than defend some of these awful decisions the franchise has been making for awhile now.
Someone posted this as a joke on another thread but I really feel like
The myth that the Giants are classier and a cut above every franchise.
The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.
But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for Johns eyes.
that all basically claimed that trading OBJ was not a football decision. The common thread was that he had become a major PIA off the field and that ownership decided he needed to be traded just a few months after he signed his big contract.
attention made him realize that he was not the top dog anymore in NYC. Great player huge EGO and the talent to go with it. If Barkley is a Barry Sanders and he may be with enough help. OBJ will be top dog somewhere else . Think he wants that role. Wish him luck. QBS and RB get all the glory on offense if they are good enough and they give them what they need. Think the Giants intend to do that with Barkley for a while anyway. MY rant.
The trade was about respecting the Giants Organization.
Odell's actions with the media, Behavior during games and off-field issues were starting to have a negative effect on his teammates. I'm not saying they hated Odell, but when your best player, highest paid player, the most popular player and the player who wants the mantle of leadership, goes on TV and states he is not happy with the team and wants to leave. Then says he is being held back by the team. Especially after that team just showed their "love" for him by making the player the highest paid at his position in the history of the NFL. Then he needs to go.
Bad organization holds onto players like hoping things will change.
For those who think this has to do with Eli. It has more to do with Engram, Sheppard and the rest of the team. If the Giants continued to let one player be above the rest, then why should anyone on the team respect the Giants Organization.
The trade was about respecting the Giants Organization.
Odell's actions with the media, Behavior during games and off-field issues were starting to have a negative effect on his teammates. I'm not saying they hated Odell, but when your best player, highest paid player, the most popular player and the player who wants the mantle of leadership, goes on TV and states he is not happy with the team and wants to leave. Then says he is being held back by the team. Especially after that team just showed their "love" for him by making the player the highest paid at his position in the history of the NFL. Then he needs to go.
Bad organization holds onto players like hoping things will change.
For those who think this has to do with Eli. It has more to do with Engram, Sheppard and the rest of the team. If the Giants continued to let one player be above the rest, then why should anyone on the team respect the Giants Organization.
I'm not so sure that organization deserves much respect anymore
It's been a tough decade for them
-new stadium fiasco
-kicker domestic abuse fiasco
-Eli benchgate
-botching the end of Elis career
-botching all of objs career with the team
The myth that the Giants are classier and a cut above every franchise.
The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.
But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for Johns eyes.
You forgot Michael Boley, who liked to slap his girlfriend around. And Christian Peter, who raped a girl in college and then attacked her in a bar, and was also convicted of groping Ms. Nebraska while in college.
The myth that the Giants are classier and a cut above every franchise.
The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.
But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for Johns eyes.
All that wouldn't be so bad, but Little Wayne was just too much.
Much of this may be the lack of emotional maturity and wearing his heart on his sleeve. Im less concerned with what he said vs his actual behavior on the field. His emotions consistently got the best of him. He was a distraction (and yes, I know his teammates loved him). Leaving the field early at halftime, not playing with a mysterious ailment, and showing up Eli.
his commentary demonstrated that he thinks of himself first and the team second. You dont badmouth your QB and tell the owners and fans that NY is ok (my words) but ya love the LA sunshine. 2 months after getting 100M from those owners and this city. Just not smart and completely self absorbed and unaware.
Im a season ticket holder. I love Odell and wish him well but dont want him on my team.
I wonder how Baker Mayfield is going to handle OBJs little
temper tantrums on the field every time he doesnt get a perfect throw? Baker doesnt seem to have the same reserved personality that Eli has. Cleveland will be an interesting watch this season.
RE: I wonder how Baker Mayfield is going to handle OBJs little
temper tantrums on the field every time he doesnt get a perfect throw? Baker doesnt seem to have the same reserved personality that Eli has. Cleveland will be an interesting watch this season.
It's going to be an issue. You have one ball to play with and you have Hunt, Landrey, Chubb, OBJ, and Njoku all wanting it.
Giants needed to pull off a 3 for 1 type deal if they could. No one loved this guy more than I did and I think he could help vault Cleveland to good heights but no one, and that includes Beckham could promise the giants than Beckham wasnt going to demand a trade sooner than later. Plus, the giants need to balance the roster out. Forget the term rebuild. Too much is made of rebuilding or going for it. The giants need fucking players. They needed to change shit up. This trade does that. And really, love the guy, but fuck Beckham and this bullshit that he never wanted to leave. The guy all but said he wasnt sure he wanted to be here! Sorry dude, sell crazy bullshit elsewhere, weve had our fill.
Beckham made the conscious decision, 6 weeks prior, to sign a 5 year extention to stay with NY. So his comments were beyond headscratching.
I honestly don't think he wanted out (since he literally just signed an extention to stay)... I think he was frustrated by losing, shoddy QB play and no TDs up to that point.
That being said... It wasn't a good look and an absolute lapse in judgment.
Yes, i tend to agree there. i actually rewatched that yesterday and it ABSOLUTELY sounded like he didnt want to be in NY and that we were holding him back.
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I like Kim but it was an awkward exchange even by Twitter standards.
...until you get a look at Cleveland.
"It's a tough question," Beckham said. "Obviously, I love seeing the sunshine all the time. I love, you know, I love being in L.A. I just like that atmosphere, but this is where I'm at. I remember before games, I used to get that. I used to get butterflies, like good butterflies. I was anxious. And now when I step on the field, it's something completely different. It's not butterflies.
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i do think not enough is made of how personally john mara took it. this is a business. guys get cut all the time. the Giants paid him the going rate for a WR with his talents, they didn't give him a gift. we make fun of players who take their contract offers personally, who get offended by a team not trying to keep them in free agency. in the end, that guy wanted to win as much as any player I've ever watched, even if it sometimes got the best of him. who cares if he thinks he'd like to live in LA one day. not me
Not intentionally self distructive....
None of these people would last a minute in the NBA... coaches or players. Kobe Bryant once demanded a trade from the Lakers. They ignored him and most importantly FIXED the team. They won 2 more championships. If the Giants are incapable of dealing with something as unimportant as the ESPN interview, then it's questionable whether they can deal with anything.
Agreed. He's more responsible for the trade than anyone else.
Too bad, he's a great talent. So many great talents never realize their potential because of self-destructive traits. I wonder if he's going to end up in that category.
Northeastern... but we know what u meant ;-P
Southeast Ohio is that close to the Mid-West? j/k
Just my opinion. I honestly think for whatever reason he was convinced if he were traded it would be to LA. Oops!!!
Oh well.
Maybe he say problems with the organization that could not be address through internal channels?
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Maybe he say problems with the organization that could not be address through internal channels?
Yup, sometimes your boss just won't listen and you gotta call up Weezy and ESPN
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Especially when there's only one ball split between Landrey, Hunt, OBJ, Chubb, and Njoku. at least 2-3 of them are going to be pissing and moaning
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in response to a coach's comment - you're indicating that you want off that team, whether you know it or not.
None of these people would last a minute in the NBA... coaches or players. Kobe Bryant once demanded a trade from the Lakers. They ignored him and most importantly FIXED the team. They won 2 more championships. If the Giants are incapable of dealing with something as unimportant as the ESPN interview, then it's questionable whether they can deal with anything.
well said
If the interview is the main reason he is off the team, that is an incitement of management and ownership.
I dont think hes a bad kid. I think hes the type of guy that will continually be a Pai. in the ass. And for all the talk of his talent he wasnt anywhere near near the talent LT was. Doesnt mean he isnt an eventual HOF level guy but yeah. LT changed football. Maybe is te nextkost talented player. But without production, results, and the off field stuff he became expendable. And yeah. It may be a mistake still but hes the reason he isnt a Giant
Move on.
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but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Yep. The game and the business are moving in a more progressive direction. It's better the Giants learn to live and deal with this now as things go more and more in that direction before they lose anyother generational talents.
He doesnt bring up Eli in that interview and hes still a Giant.
Honestly I don't think he has much control over his mouth and what he says. It's called immaturity. I think he has that in spades.
I don't think he did that interview to express that he wanted to leave New York. I think he just says whatever imaginary tweet happens in his head in the moment.
A lot of people thought Baker Mayfield might have questionable character too. Those guys are winners not the traditional personality sense but the new versions. Guys that build their brand but put in the work too.
When that happens everyone here is going to come out and say that we had to do it or we couldn't make this work. All the things that we seem to think we "had to do" in the name of getting ourselves into this mess of a roster is starting to add up.
It is not a one way street anymore, employment doesn't work that it is always the person lower on the totem pole's fault and there needs to be this implicit reverence. Respect should be earned on an ongoing basis and i'm sorry but someone that inherited a team and fortune shouldn't get literally grandfathered into trust but this seems to be a popular opinion.
Did Beckham handle this perfectly? No. Did Mara? No. Yet everyone seems to want to act like this is Beckham's fault.
All these people saying Beckham wasn't about "team" well you know who should be more about "team" MARA. And he oversaw a big decline in our talent viability as a franchise.
Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.
Wake up.
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but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Yep. We need talented players...they don't need to be in the church choir to quote a former coach.
My mouth has set back my career at times. Sometimes we all need to learn lessons the hard way.
Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.
Wake up.
over the past 5 years, OBJs track record is much better than Mara's
All this he wants to go to the west coast he's this he's that.
A lot of people have called out what a great teammate he is. Why is he the one that is going to regret this? He just got off a team that has been one of the worst in the league the last two years to a real ascending team.
That team went from 25-1 superbowl odds to 14-1 after he was traded. IE the 7th highest team now. the Giants sit at 10th worst. God damn it people stop with this nonsense. When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?
All this he wants to go to the west coast he's this he's that.
A lot of people have called out what a great teammate he is. Why is he the one that is going to regret this? He just got off a team that has been one of the worst in the league the last two years to a real ascending team.
That team went from 25-1 superbowl odds to 14-1 after he was traded. IE the 7th highest team now. the Giants sit at 10th worst. God damn it people stop with this nonsense. When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?
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They say you can't let the inmates run the asylum, well we need a new approach from our asylum runners as the current one isn't working.
So for the time being, I'm siding with the inmates.
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but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Yep. The game and the business are moving in a more progressive direction. It's better the Giants learn to live and deal with this now as things go more and more in that direction before they lose anyother generational talents.
What does "progressive" even mean here? Sports is moving in a direction where it will be acceptable to throw teammates and coaches under the bus? I love Beckham but he was a bit of a knucklehead. More than a bit at times. Plenty of positive things as well; great with his fans, insanely talented, passionate and dedicated to his craft. And again, a knucklehead who would most likely still be here if he handled things differently.
I think most fans see it now.
I just think there is a loud contingency of super-fans here that can't separate reality and fantasy.
Stop the nonsense already.
Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.
Wake up.
You'd be a hell of a contributor to this board if you were half as smart as you believe yourself to be. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you aren't.
They thought the Odell questions were bad when he was here?
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but it served as a flashpoint for a lot of aggravated people.
Missing games with an injury that they felt he was milking is one thing - but if they really got that triggered by a lousy interview, then the Giants are never going to manage to field a roster going forward. Players aren't controlled in the same manner anymore, and they're going to say and do things on social media that management doesn't like.
Yep. The game and the business are moving in a more progressive direction. It's better the Giants learn to live and deal with this now as things go more and more in that direction before they lose anyother generational talents.
What does "progressive" even mean here? Sports is moving in a direction where it will be acceptable to throw teammates and coaches under the bus? I love Beckham but he was a bit of a knucklehead. More than a bit at times. Plenty of positive things as well; great with his fans, insanely talented, passionate and dedicated to his craft. And again, a knucklehead who would most likely still be here if he handled things differently.
What I mean by 'progressive' is that if you think doing an interview on ESPN (with Little Wayne) is bad or unforgivable by the organization because he doesn't put over every aspect of a team that has struggled mightily for several consecutive seasons (including for 2 straight seasons before Beckham was even drafted), that the Giants are going to be looking to trade alot more players in the future.
Not everyone is a choir boy. Not everyone is going to be a boy scout in the locker room. That doesn't mean if it's someone the entire room hates, they shouldn't get rid of him, but apparently that wasn't the case here within in the locker room.
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When will our fan base wake up and realize we might have a serious problem here?
I think most fans see it now.
I just think there is a loud contingency of super-fans here that can't separate reality and fantasy.
Sadly there seems to be a real correlation with people connected with the team and this insular self-righteous we know better no matter how bad this gets attitude. Being resistant to change has always been risky but the world is moving faster now, it's downright poisonous today.
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and not the fact that the owner had already scolded the player through the media leading up to the contract negotiations saying something to the effect of "I'm tired of answering questions about him for non-football related actions". At which point the player was on best behavior for two months, was paid millions of dollars and turned around another month later and rubbed ownership's faces in it by not publicly backing his organization, head coach or QB.
Some of you are completely brain dead on this topic.
Wake up.
You'd be a hell of a contributor to this board if you were half as smart as you believe yourself to be. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you aren't.
+1.
WTF are you again?
Besides, about 5 people believed Odell Beckham was going to be traded as of around 7pm on Tuesday night and yours truly was one of them.
Give me a little credit Mikey.
Thats classy. And I got a warning for calling out Pat Hanlons schtick.
Beckham being traded gets talk about almost
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all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
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Carrying all this water can't be good for someone who recently experienced major health problems.
Thats classy. And I got a warning for calling out Pat Hanlons schtick.
I don't wish her any ill health. Whatever personal friendship she has with Beckham makes it impossible to believe her version of events is at all objective.
Beckham being traded gets talk about almost
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all of the time, yet never happens.
Don't some of the idiots out there (and on here) ever get tired of being wrong on this? Christ.
Sure, I was wrong about that. But I've been right about the performance of the team for consecutive seasons now.
I'll take that batting average anyday of the week, brother.
Smart money says he blows up in Cleveland as well.
*whiny
And why, exactly? Because I'm a fan that doesn't agree with every move a franchise that's been struggling for all of these years, makes?
Okay, I'm a 'whiney bitch', then, I suppose. I'd rather be that than defend some of these awful decisions the franchise has been making for awhile now.
1) 5 year plan? Check!
2) No nonsense? Check! Check!!
3) Insular? Controlling? One of the top people!!
4) Rubs some the wrong way but has a tried and true solution for it? His solution to this problem never fails!
5) Old? Almost too old you might say!
Who is this pick of the litter?
Smart money says he blows up in Cleveland as well.
Ok this is stupid in contrast to the Vegas odds. Literally the smartest money has this working. Let the parade of insanity continue!
The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.
But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for Johns eyes.
Unless it indicates excessive intractability on the part of the FO and ownership in dealing with flamboyant players.
And even then, maybe it still doesn't matter now.
WTF are you again?
Besides, about 5 people believed Odell Beckham was going to be traded as of around 7pm on Tuesday night and yours truly was one of them.
Give me a little credit Mikey.
You believed a rumor??? NICE!!! Go grab a cookie from the jar Chrissy!
Odell's actions with the media, Behavior during games and off-field issues were starting to have a negative effect on his teammates. I'm not saying they hated Odell, but when your best player, highest paid player, the most popular player and the player who wants the mantle of leadership, goes on TV and states he is not happy with the team and wants to leave. Then says he is being held back by the team. Especially after that team just showed their "love" for him by making the player the highest paid at his position in the history of the NFL. Then he needs to go.
Bad organization holds onto players like hoping things will change.
For those who think this has to do with Eli. It has more to do with Engram, Sheppard and the rest of the team. If the Giants continued to let one player be above the rest, then why should anyone on the team respect the Giants Organization.
Odell's actions with the media, Behavior during games and off-field issues were starting to have a negative effect on his teammates. I'm not saying they hated Odell, but when your best player, highest paid player, the most popular player and the player who wants the mantle of leadership, goes on TV and states he is not happy with the team and wants to leave. Then says he is being held back by the team. Especially after that team just showed their "love" for him by making the player the highest paid at his position in the history of the NFL. Then he needs to go.
Bad organization holds onto players like hoping things will change.
For those who think this has to do with Eli. It has more to do with Engram, Sheppard and the rest of the team. If the Giants continued to let one player be above the rest, then why should anyone on the team respect the Giants Organization.
I'm not so sure that organization deserves much respect anymore
It's been a tough decade for them
-new stadium fiasco
-kicker domestic abuse fiasco
-Eli benchgate
-botching the end of Elis career
-botching all of objs career with the team
The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.
But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for Johns eyes.
You forgot Michael Boley, who liked to slap his girlfriend around. And Christian Peter, who raped a girl in college and then attacked her in a bar, and was also convicted of groping Ms. Nebraska while in college.
The franchise that employed LT. The same one that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after beating his girlfriend to the point she committed suicide. The same one that employed Josh Brown after he admitted to abusing his wife and tried to play dumb.
But Odell sitting down with ESPN and saying Eli might not be good anymore and the current team is holding me back, something that 90% of the football world sees and agrees with was just too much for John to take. Celebrating was just wayyy to much for for Johns eyes.
All that wouldn't be so bad, but Little Wayne was just too much.
his commentary demonstrated that he thinks of himself first and the team second. You dont badmouth your QB and tell the owners and fans that NY is ok (my words) but ya love the LA sunshine. 2 months after getting 100M from those owners and this city. Just not smart and completely self absorbed and unaware.
Im a season ticket holder. I love Odell and wish him well but dont want him on my team.
It's going to be an issue. You have one ball to play with and you have Hunt, Landrey, Chubb, OBJ, and Njoku all wanting it.
What makes you think an in your face guy is going to pull it off? They better win or it may get ugly.
What makes you think an in your face guy is going to pull it off? They better win or it may get ugly.
LOL, Eli and Cruz...what are they gonna do? Take Odell to the carnival and buy him cotton candy?
Beckham made the conscious decision, 6 weeks prior, to sign a 5 year extention to stay with NY. So his comments were beyond headscratching.
I honestly don't think he wanted out (since he literally just signed an extention to stay)... I think he was frustrated by losing, shoddy QB play and no TDs up to that point.
That being said... It wasn't a good look and an absolute lapse in judgment.