when in three years, likely when this team has a shot at competing one will be 29 and the other 34. There's more potential upside to having Crowder in the final year of his deal in 2021, hopefully in year three of our new QB than Golden Tate who is probably cut after year two.
Golden Tate is a very good player. Golden Tate also probably should have taken the Patriots offer if the rumors of them wanting him was true. Golden Tate on the Giants is a short term move to try to be a competitive team next year. If Graziano's reports are true they're essentially running it back with the same plan as last year, just without Odell - and that's troubling.
I pay for season tickets, I don't want the Giants to suck. I don't want to watch the Cowboys and Eagles battle for the division while we struggle. Despite what it may seem like I'm not rooting against the Giants. I'm over taking the wait and see approach for a front office who hasn't given any reason to trust them the last two years or an ownership group who hasn't given a reason the last seven years to trust them.
"great veteran leadership for the position group" is one of the most cliche and overblown things football fans and front offices say. That's the same reason we wasted money on Stewart.
Second,
Humpries and Crowder being better than Tate now is irrelevant because the Giants aren't going to be good this year. All three players will likely be cuttable after 2 years, but there's a chance Humphries and Crowder are still good in 2 years and can be a bargain WR option when they are ready to compete.
Signing Golden Tate was a short term move, this team should be making long term moves.
Well A) You don't think being better is important good to know. I mean if you think Golden Tate is over paid and they aren't as good they wouldn't that make them extremely over paid? B) They signed before we actually were able to trade OBJ soooo were they options?
There is no such thing as long term in the NFL now. Wake up.
If you wake up and connect the dots that Odell trade didn't just come out of nowhere. They probably had discussed it for a while and it likely led to them being ok with letting Collins walk with no tag.
Golden Tate isn't over paid for Golden Tate, he's just not a right fit for a rebuilding team - if we even are one.
Antonio Brown is 30, Julio Jones is 30, AJ Green is 30... etc. Who fucking cares.... And Tate is a better WR and FOOTBALL player than Shepard. Shepard isn’t reliable. Tate is!!! This dude makes plays!
Shepard isn’t reliable? JFC.
Guess we are at the point now where people will just post absolute bullshit nonsense to prove their dumbass fucking take.
Did you watch Shepard last year or did you check out on the season early? Dude dropped a number of balls on key downs and the end zone!
I am glad to see people have optimism and feel good about the moves, I sincerely wish I did. I don’t think they are bad, Golden Tate is definitely an odd signing considering things, and Markus Golden is on a 1 year deal and while I haven’t really watched him much he isn’t really some amazing get is he? I am not trying to be a pessimist, I am sincerely asking about Markus Golden. I don’t think there is a free agent out there currently that would get me excited about this upcoming season. I am all for being wrong though, so sick of watching them lose so much
why did we add an aging receiver. these moves make no sense.
Barnwell is correct analyzing this signing:
"Do you remember "Memento," the movie in which Guy Pearce's short-term memory was destroyed and he lost the ability to remember anything in the recent past? Is it possible the Giants are struggling with the same condition? Days after trading Odell Beckham Jr. to signal that they were going to build around Saquon Barkley and the running game, the Giants reversed course and gave Tate a four-year deal with $23.5 million fully guaranteed at signing.
It's bizarre for many reasons. To start, while the franchise buried Beckham on his way out of town and called him a distraction, the Giants responded by signing a wideout who was cited while with the Seahawks for breaking into a doughnut store and who reportedly got into a fistfight with Percy Harvin the week before the Super Bowl. (To be clear, I don't think those are actual character concerns, but they're more meaningful than, say, getting into a fight with a kicking net or simulating urination during a touchdown celebration.)"
He has two years left easy, maybe 3. We are in rebuild mode. This leads me to think the Giants may trade Shepard on draft day if not sooner? A package to move up? For all we know the Giants want Bosa at #2. LOL
Tate can do it all and while he isn’t a burner he can get behind a defense and make players from the X. He makes big plays and catches the ball in big spots and he’s been YAC master. He stays on the field. Solid signing.
Antonio Brown is 30, Julio Jones is 30, AJ Green is 30... etc. Who fucking cares.... And Tate is a better WR and FOOTBALL player than Shepard. Shepard isn’t reliable. Tate is!!! This dude makes plays!
Shepard isn’t reliable? JFC.
Guess we are at the point now where people will just post absolute bullshit nonsense to prove their dumbass fucking take.
Did you watch Shepard last year or did you check out on the season early? Dude dropped a number of balls on key downs and the end zone!
I did. You obviously didn’t.
Your argument remains dogshit.
You clearly didn’t watch shit. And it isn’t just last yr. Shepard is not the player you think he is. Are you friends with Jerry Reese or Marc Ross?!
drops than Tate on basically the same number of targets.
Tate is the better player right now, but Shepard is a better piece for the Giants moving forward.
Obviously what those numbers don’t tell you is the situations those drops occurred... 3rd down, endzone etc. In other words, all drops aren’t created equal. And secondly and perhaps more importantly, there were many 50/50 balls that are NOT considered “drops” but Shep did NOT come up with. So i respect the stats but we know stats don’t tell the whole story. Shep is not who ppl think he is.... we’ve had 3 seasons to see that.
drops than Tate on basically the same number of targets.
Tate is the better player right now, but Shepard is a better piece for the Giants moving forward.
Obviously what those numbers don’t tell you is the situations those drops occurred... 3rd down, endzone etc. In other words, all drops aren’t created equal. And secondly and perhaps more importantly, there were many 50/50 balls that are NOT considered “drops” but Shep did NOT come up with. So i respect the stats but we know stats don’t tell the whole story. Shep is not who ppl think he is.... we’ve had 3 seasons to see that.
Did you watch every Golden Tate target this year to give yourself a fair comparison.
Regarding your post after this, sure Tate is better now and it's Shep's last year but the likely hood is that Shepard ascends while Tate descends. Moving on from Shepard because of Tate is backwards
This was in response to Eric saying if they suck they can trade Tate, but I'll play.
Jamison Crowder, 25 more upside long term than Golden Tate
Adam Humpries, 26 more upside long term than Golden Tate
Both got less money and less guarantees and there is at least a chance one of those players could contribute at what will be considered a bargain when the Giants are ready to compete. Golden Tate won't be here when they are ready to compete.
Crowder signed before the OBJ trade. So you would have been okay with his contract if we signed him not knowing the trade?
Adam Humphries. Well, he stated to play fairly well but he had the benefit of Evans drawing the bulk of the coverage. Plus, there was Jackson, Howard, and Goodwin. So he caught a ton of underneath stuff...he barely averaged 10 per reception.
drops than Tate on basically the same number of targets.
Tate is the better player right now, but Shepard is a better piece for the Giants moving forward.
Obviously what those numbers don’t tell you is the situations those drops occurred... 3rd down, endzone etc. In other words, all drops aren’t created equal. And secondly and perhaps more importantly, there were many 50/50 balls that are NOT considered “drops” but Shep did NOT come up with. So i respect the stats but we know stats don’t tell the whole story. Shep is not who ppl think he is.... we’ve had 3 seasons to see that.
Did you watch every Golden Tate target this year to give yourself a fair comparison.
Regarding your post after this, sure Tate is better now and it's Shep's last year but the likely hood is that Shepard ascends while Tate descends. Moving on from Shepard because of Tate is backwards
Sure I can't discount the small probability that Shep will ascend this year. However, he's had 3 years to show us something including games with no OBJ last year and a subpar receiving corp., and I was rather unimpressed. Don't think he'll be resigned.
you should all go back and read the 10 pages of posts and just step back for a minute to realize how moronic some of you are.
1. Tate is not a replacement for OBJ
2. Tate should not be compared to Shep. This is not an either/or thing between the two of them. They are independent of each other. Comparing drop rates, age and money just shows how much some of you have no idea WTF you are talking about.
Adding Tate right now does a few things..
He is a veteran WR who is tough, a hard worker, a professional and is a solid team mate. He is also depth and a starter at the same time. Depth has been a problem with this team for a while.
Stop worrying about the money. Some people here cannot even balance their own checkbooks and are screaming about the Giants cap.
You can expect this team to still add a guy who can stretch the field. The over reaction and knee jerk comments are just out of control now.
This team is going to surprise many pundits this year. They are going to run the ball, stop the run and hit some big plays on play action with solid specials. Defense is going to be hungry, aggressive and I think Betcher is going to love coaching them and the players are going to lay it out for them with growing pains.
I was a little down on Shurmer early in the season. He kept them together, they got better and he is growing and understands NFC East football and the what made the Giants the Giants when they were good. Let's hope for the best and nice to see the GM and HC with a shared vision. Be patient, we are making progress.
This signing continues to show they want tough football players.
Like your optimism LOS . Hope you are right. Waiting to see the final moves to shore up the remaining weak spots.
Our receiving core is NOT weak now. People forget we have an RB that catches 70+ balls and has downfield capability. We have one of the better receiving TEs who is a 4.4 guy , and Shep who is a very good slot guy. And now Tate who has been a mutliple 1000+ yard reciever and is not that old.
Losing Beckham took us from possibly the best all around receivers in the entire NFL (or top 3 at worst) when you factor RB and TE to now a good to very good group depending on if Tate shows the same burst he had in previous stops.
you should all go back and read the 10 pages of posts and just step back for a minute to realize how moronic some of you are.
1. Tate is not a replacement for OBJ
2. Tate should not be compared to Shep. This is not an either/or thing between the two of them. They are independent of each other. Comparing drop rates, age and money just shows how much some of you have no idea WTF you are talking about.
Adding Tate right now does a few things..
He is a veteran WR who is tough, a hard worker, a professional and is a solid team mate. He is also depth and a starter at the same time. Depth has been a problem with this team for a while.
Stop worrying about the money. Some people here cannot even balance their own checkbooks and are screaming about the Giants cap.
You can expect this team to still add a guy who can stretch the field. The over reaction and knee jerk comments are just out of control now.
Professional is interesting given people's takes on Odell.
- allegedly slept with his QB's wife
- locker room fights
- broke into a donut shop at 3 am
Professional is interesting given people's takes on Odell.
- allegedly slept with his QB's wife
- locker room fights
- broke into a donut shop at 3 am
he was with the seahawks 6 years ago. Tate is a solid player to have on the team for the reasons I mentioned.
There are other forums and hobbies that I recommend you look into. This is not going to be fun for you over the next couple of years. BBI and the Giants are likely to trigger you daily.
Professional is interesting given people's takes on Odell.
- allegedly slept with his QB's wife
- locker room fights
- broke into a donut shop at 3 am
he was with the seahawks 6 years ago. Tate is a solid player to have on the team for the reasons I mentioned.
There are other forums and hobbies that I recommend you look into. This is not going to be fun for you over the next couple of years. BBI and the Giants are likely to trigger you daily.
I'm just asking for some consistency. The Norman incident was 3 years ago and still gets brought up here like it happened yesterday.
Sorry I'm disappointed the Giants haven't put out a competitive product in 7 years and the streak looks like it is headed for 10 years at a minimum.
yeah I am not happy the team sucks either. I am paying a lot of money for tickets too so it really bothers me too.
Still.. we cannot look at these moves independently or in a vacuum. This is just the beginning of the off season. We need to see what team we are taking into training camp.
You cannot win a game of chess in one move. This week, we sacrificed the Queen to preserve the King.
Hate him for this team at that contract. This one foot in, one foot out strategy is making the rebuild much more difficult and complicated than it needs to be.
When they condemn a signing because that player, who is only 30 I might add, won’t be around long enough as the team won’t be ready to win for at least 3 more years. This is so out of touch from how real life nfl people think it’s just laughable. And untrue. It’s complete trash.
Let me get this right ——This signing sucks because this team isn’t good enough to appreciate his talents? Think about how laughably stupid that is. Sorry, it just is.
Because we all know this has to be the focal point of every football discussion, the giants are adding players via fa. They obviously have some room to do things as it’s happening right before our eyes. And next year a shit load of money comes off the books so why is everyone so worried about dead money? It happens. Dallas deals with tons of dead money nearly every off season and they have been doing just fine.
The money isn’t a problem at all. The giants are plugging holes with fa and building through the draft. DG had a good draft last year. Hopefully he has another good one this year, he’s got a ton of picks. This is good right? Cheer up.
The amount of overreaction on this thread is laughable Â
Tate is a good player, and they got him at a good price. Look at the market for wide receivers, Tate is right in line with other players of his caliber. Crowder and Humphries as were mentioned earlier got similar deals, Tate is a better player than both of them.
The age argument is absurd. This isn’t a running back we are discussing, receivers often play into their mid 30s at a high level. Desean Jackson is a year older and just got a deal in the same ballpark as Tate. Antonio Brown is the same age as Tate, and nobody mentions his age as a reason Oakland shouldn’t have made the move for him. Taken into the context of where his contract is and comparing it to other players around the league, we got ourselves a guy that consistently puts up 90 receptions, 1000 yards, and 5 TDs at about half the cost of what top receivers get paid.
When they condemn a signing because that player, who is only 30 I might add, won’t be around long enough as the team won’t be ready to win for at least 3 more years. This is so out of touch from how real life nfl people think it’s just laughable. And untrue. It’s complete trash.
Let me get this right ——This signing sucks because this team isn’t good enough to appreciate his talents? Think about how laughably stupid that is. Sorry, it just is.
I don’t know how anybody can watch Tate play and not be impressed by him as a football player. He has the type of body, too, that I think will hold up well into his mid-30s. I’ve always seen a lot of Hines Ward in him...
yeah I am not happy the team sucks either. I am paying a lot of money for tickets too so it really bothers me too.
Still.. we cannot look at these moves independently or in a vacuum. This is just the beginning of the off season. We need to see what team we are taking into training camp.
You cannot win a game of chess in one move. This week, we sacrificed the Queen to preserve the King.
Funny that you bring up chess and wanting us fans to look at the team like we are playing chess. Alpha Zero learned how to beat the best chess computer in the world before it in 3 hours.
There are people that can program these types of systems out there for us to hire, other teams have people of this ilk, no evidence that we do. We have people advocating for viewing our moves like chess with a leader that doesn't seem to understand how to apply the best ways to win at chess today. These same people advocate patience while we have become the laughing stock of the league. Great, really great.
anyone that thinks they have bw pigeon holed to a type of thinking is completely wrong.
Definitely has opinions on Giants management that frankly more people should have even if he is strong with them but definitely a wild card.
A few weeks ago told me that he didn't necessarily believe in team building with WRs but now seems in support of this move. I think it is very easy to like Tate as a player but not having problems with this move while advocating a rebuild is definitely a hot take.
I'm down on this move because it again seems overall inconsistent with any kind of plan or format that has worked. The closest comp I can think to a team that won with a plan resembling anything like this is the Broncos with Peyton Manning, maybe all the way back to Dilfer or Brad Johnson but you know what all those teams had in common? Fantastic defenses.
Hard to defend this approach with our defense and again if you had any inclination that this was your plan, I just can't comprehend how you move Snacks for a 4th rounder.
Can't understand all the disgruntled opinions... Â
...about Golden Tate! He is a very fine receiver with a knack of taking short to intermediate passes and turning them into big gains.
And don't be fooled by his supposed drop in productivity... he was traded in mid-season and it takes awhile to learn a new system and be properly / optimally integrated into that system.
And last but not least, it is totally unfair to compare this player with OBJ. Golden Tate has to be judged in his own right. He is a very solid football player and ranked, for example, as the 27th best free agent by NFL.com.
Give you a little but more wiggle room in the draft.
The rest hopefully depends on value.
For myself, being biased towards D and with this particular draft being very, apparently very, strong on D fronts, I'm hoping that sort of value discipline lasts the entire draft.
Folks biased towards O seem less aware of their bias and more likely to apply hope or projections to offense prospects, and therefore to loose discipline a bit.
Give you a little but more wiggle room in the draft.
The rest hopefully depends on value.
For myself, being biased towards D and with this particular draft being very, apparently very, strong on D fronts, I'm hoping that sort of value discipline lasts the entire draft.
Folks biased towards O seem less aware of their bias and more likely to apply hope or projections to offense prospects, and therefore to loose discipline a bit.
I was just thinking that, by signing Golden Tate, the Giants won't feel forced to go WR at #17. I'd love to snag, for example, Devin White at #6 and maybe someone like Devin Bush at #17, or a nice two-way TE such as TJ Hockenson.
JRE: The amount of overreaction on this thread is laughable Â
Tate is a good player, and they got him at a good price. Look at the market for wide receivers, Tate is right in line with other players of his caliber. Crowder and Humphries as were mentioned earlier got similar deals, Tate is a better player than both of them.
The age argument is absurd. This isn’t a running back we are discussing, receivers often play into their mid 30s at a high level. Desean Jackson is a year older and just got a deal in the same ballpark as Tate. Antonio Brown is the same age as Tate, and nobody mentions his age as a reason Oakland shouldn’t have made the move for him. Taken into the context of where his contract is and comparing it to other players around the league, we got ourselves a guy that consistently puts up 90 receptions, 1000 yards, and 5 TDs at about half the cost of what top receivers get paid.
Excellent points, thanks. By the way, Julio Jones and AJ Green I believe are also both 30. Anyone want to diss these guys too. Tate has never missed any games and is in great shape. Playing till 34 is no big deal.
and he's not being paid like Julio Jones or AJ Green.
His AAV right now puts him as the 23rd highest paid WR in the NFL, 1 spot ahead of Desean Jackson and 1 spot behind Jamison Crowder.
I agree with you that he's a good player. He's at least on a FMV contract even if there are guys in that same range that would be preferable for whatever reason. His production consistency and durability stand out however IMO.
Golden Tate is a very good player. Golden Tate also probably should have taken the Patriots offer if the rumors of them wanting him was true. Golden Tate on the Giants is a short term move to try to be a competitive team next year. If Graziano's reports are true they're essentially running it back with the same plan as last year, just without Odell - and that's troubling.
I pay for season tickets, I don't want the Giants to suck. I don't want to watch the Cowboys and Eagles battle for the division while we struggle. Despite what it may seem like I'm not rooting against the Giants. I'm over taking the wait and see approach for a front office who hasn't given any reason to trust them the last two years or an ownership group who hasn't given a reason the last seven years to trust them.
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"great veteran leadership for the position group" is one of the most cliche and overblown things football fans and front offices say. That's the same reason we wasted money on Stewart.
Second,
Humpries and Crowder being better than Tate now is irrelevant because the Giants aren't going to be good this year. All three players will likely be cuttable after 2 years, but there's a chance Humphries and Crowder are still good in 2 years and can be a bargain WR option when they are ready to compete.
Signing Golden Tate was a short term move, this team should be making long term moves.
Well A) You don't think being better is important good to know. I mean if you think Golden Tate is over paid and they aren't as good they wouldn't that make them extremely over paid? B) They signed before we actually were able to trade OBJ soooo were they options?
There is no such thing as long term in the NFL now. Wake up.
If you wake up and connect the dots that Odell trade didn't just come out of nowhere. They probably had discussed it for a while and it likely led to them being ok with letting Collins walk with no tag.
Golden Tate isn't over paid for Golden Tate, he's just not a right fit for a rebuilding team - if we even are one.
I understand this is the kind of guy they want on the team, but he is way on the downside of his career.
We need a RT and C, and soon.
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Antonio Brown is 30, Julio Jones is 30, AJ Green is 30... etc. Who fucking cares.... And Tate is a better WR and FOOTBALL player than Shepard. Shepard isn’t reliable. Tate is!!! This dude makes plays!
Shepard isn’t reliable? JFC.
Guess we are at the point now where people will just post absolute bullshit nonsense to prove their dumbass fucking take.
Did you watch Shepard last year or did you check out on the season early? Dude dropped a number of balls on key downs and the end zone!
I did. You obviously didn’t.
Your argument remains dogshit.
Barnwell is correct analyzing this signing:
"Do you remember "Memento," the movie in which Guy Pearce's short-term memory was destroyed and he lost the ability to remember anything in the recent past? Is it possible the Giants are struggling with the same condition? Days after trading Odell Beckham Jr. to signal that they were going to build around Saquon Barkley and the running game, the Giants reversed course and gave Tate a four-year deal with $23.5 million fully guaranteed at signing.
It's bizarre for many reasons. To start, while the franchise buried Beckham on his way out of town and called him a distraction, the Giants responded by signing a wideout who was cited while with the Seahawks for breaking into a doughnut store and who reportedly got into a fistfight with Percy Harvin the week before the Super Bowl. (To be clear, I don't think those are actual character concerns, but they're more meaningful than, say, getting into a fight with a kicking net or simulating urination during a touchdown celebration.)"
Sterling had 5 drops on 107 targets for a drop % of 4.67%.
It's what I'm seeing here. Like an episode of Bigbluekickoff. Woner if Giants brass hire people to post here. Not sure, ut just a thought.
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Antonio Brown is 30, Julio Jones is 30, AJ Green is 30... etc. Who fucking cares.... And Tate is a better WR and FOOTBALL player than Shepard. Shepard isn’t reliable. Tate is!!! This dude makes plays!
Shepard isn’t reliable? JFC.
Guess we are at the point now where people will just post absolute bullshit nonsense to prove their dumbass fucking take.
Did you watch Shepard last year or did you check out on the season early? Dude dropped a number of balls on key downs and the end zone!
I did. You obviously didn’t.
Your argument remains dogshit.
You clearly didn’t watch shit. And it isn’t just last yr. Shepard is not the player you think he is. Are you friends with Jerry Reese or Marc Ross?!
Tate is the better player right now, but Shepard is a better piece for the Giants moving forward.
Tate is the better player right now, but Shepard is a better piece for the Giants moving forward.
Obviously what those numbers don’t tell you is the situations those drops occurred... 3rd down, endzone etc. In other words, all drops aren’t created equal. And secondly and perhaps more importantly, there were many 50/50 balls that are NOT considered “drops” but Shep did NOT come up with. So i respect the stats but we know stats don’t tell the whole story. Shep is not who ppl think he is.... we’ve had 3 seasons to see that.
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drops than Tate on basically the same number of targets.
Tate is the better player right now, but Shepard is a better piece for the Giants moving forward.
Obviously what those numbers don’t tell you is the situations those drops occurred... 3rd down, endzone etc. In other words, all drops aren’t created equal. And secondly and perhaps more importantly, there were many 50/50 balls that are NOT considered “drops” but Shep did NOT come up with. So i respect the stats but we know stats don’t tell the whole story. Shep is not who ppl think he is.... we’ve had 3 seasons to see that.
Did you watch every Golden Tate target this year to give yourself a fair comparison.
Regarding your post after this, sure Tate is better now and it's Shep's last year but the likely hood is that Shepard ascends while Tate descends. Moving on from Shepard because of Tate is backwards
Okay, I’ll play. Who?
This was in response to Eric saying if they suck they can trade Tate, but I'll play.
Jamison Crowder, 25 more upside long term than Golden Tate
Adam Humpries, 26 more upside long term than Golden Tate
Both got less money and less guarantees and there is at least a chance one of those players could contribute at what will be considered a bargain when the Giants are ready to compete. Golden Tate won't be here when they are ready to compete.
Crowder signed before the OBJ trade. So you would have been okay with his contract if we signed him not knowing the trade?
Adam Humphries. Well, he stated to play fairly well but he had the benefit of Evans drawing the bulk of the coverage. Plus, there was Jackson, Howard, and Goodwin. So he caught a ton of underneath stuff...he barely averaged 10 per reception.
So I’m not sure those are the best answers.
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drops than Tate on basically the same number of targets.
Tate is the better player right now, but Shepard is a better piece for the Giants moving forward.
Obviously what those numbers don’t tell you is the situations those drops occurred... 3rd down, endzone etc. In other words, all drops aren’t created equal. And secondly and perhaps more importantly, there were many 50/50 balls that are NOT considered “drops” but Shep did NOT come up with. So i respect the stats but we know stats don’t tell the whole story. Shep is not who ppl think he is.... we’ve had 3 seasons to see that.
Did you watch every Golden Tate target this year to give yourself a fair comparison.
Regarding your post after this, sure Tate is better now and it's Shep's last year but the likely hood is that Shepard ascends while Tate descends. Moving on from Shepard because of Tate is backwards
Sure I can't discount the small probability that Shep will ascend this year. However, he's had 3 years to show us something including games with no OBJ last year and a subpar receiving corp., and I was rather unimpressed. Don't think he'll be resigned.
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It's what I'm seeing here. Like an episode of Bigbluekickoff. Woner if Giants brass hire people to post here. Not sure, ut just a thought.
What was your last handle, dupe?
Can't believe we want to give up on another young, talented player.
Can't believe we want to give up on another young, talented player.
Listen, I'm a Giants fans I hope I'm wrong but last year I didn't see it. He didn't step up. We'll see.
1. Tate is not a replacement for OBJ
2. Tate should not be compared to Shep. This is not an either/or thing between the two of them. They are independent of each other. Comparing drop rates, age and money just shows how much some of you have no idea WTF you are talking about.
Adding Tate right now does a few things..
He is a veteran WR who is tough, a hard worker, a professional and is a solid team mate. He is also depth and a starter at the same time. Depth has been a problem with this team for a while.
Stop worrying about the money. Some people here cannot even balance their own checkbooks and are screaming about the Giants cap.
You can expect this team to still add a guy who can stretch the field. The over reaction and knee jerk comments are just out of control now.
I was a little down on Shurmer early in the season. He kept them together, they got better and he is growing and understands NFC East football and the what made the Giants the Giants when they were good. Let's hope for the best and nice to see the GM and HC with a shared vision. Be patient, we are making progress.
This signing continues to show they want tough football players.
Like your optimism LOS . Hope you are right. Waiting to see the final moves to shore up the remaining weak spots.
Our receiving core is NOT weak now. People forget we have an RB that catches 70+ balls and has downfield capability. We have one of the better receiving TEs who is a 4.4 guy , and Shep who is a very good slot guy. And now Tate who has been a mutliple 1000+ yard reciever and is not that old.
Losing Beckham took us from possibly the best all around receivers in the entire NFL (or top 3 at worst) when you factor RB and TE to now a good to very good group depending on if Tate shows the same burst he had in previous stops.
1. Tate is not a replacement for OBJ
2. Tate should not be compared to Shep. This is not an either/or thing between the two of them. They are independent of each other. Comparing drop rates, age and money just shows how much some of you have no idea WTF you are talking about.
Adding Tate right now does a few things..
He is a veteran WR who is tough, a hard worker, a professional and is a solid team mate. He is also depth and a starter at the same time. Depth has been a problem with this team for a while.
Stop worrying about the money. Some people here cannot even balance their own checkbooks and are screaming about the Giants cap.
You can expect this team to still add a guy who can stretch the field. The over reaction and knee jerk comments are just out of control now.
Professional is interesting given people's takes on Odell.
- allegedly slept with his QB's wife
- locker room fights
- broke into a donut shop at 3 am
Professional is interesting given people's takes on Odell.
- allegedly slept with his QB's wife
- locker room fights
- broke into a donut shop at 3 am
he was with the seahawks 6 years ago. Tate is a solid player to have on the team for the reasons I mentioned.
There are other forums and hobbies that I recommend you look into. This is not going to be fun for you over the next couple of years. BBI and the Giants are likely to trigger you daily.
If this was still Reese, there would be a neck tie party at the stadium....
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Professional is interesting given people's takes on Odell.
- allegedly slept with his QB's wife
- locker room fights
- broke into a donut shop at 3 am
he was with the seahawks 6 years ago. Tate is a solid player to have on the team for the reasons I mentioned.
There are other forums and hobbies that I recommend you look into. This is not going to be fun for you over the next couple of years. BBI and the Giants are likely to trigger you daily.
I'm just asking for some consistency. The Norman incident was 3 years ago and still gets brought up here like it happened yesterday.
I'm just asking for some consistency. The Norman incident was 3 years ago and still gets brought up here like it happened yesterday.
I have not mentioned it since the week after that incident happened. So.. you have consistency from me.
In fact, when I think about all of the things that were considered to be a negative about OBJ... I never think about the Josh Norman thing.
yeah I am not happy the team sucks either. I am paying a lot of money for tickets too so it really bothers me too.
Still.. we cannot look at these moves independently or in a vacuum. This is just the beginning of the off season. We need to see what team we are taking into training camp.
You cannot win a game of chess in one move. This week, we sacrificed the Queen to preserve the King.
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Let me get this right ——This signing sucks because this team isn’t good enough to appreciate his talents? Think about how laughably stupid that is. Sorry, it just is.
Maybe the O plays well in 2019. Why not? There’s talent here.
The money isn’t a problem at all. The giants are plugging holes with fa and building through the draft. DG had a good draft last year. Hopefully he has another good one this year, he’s got a ton of picks. This is good right? Cheer up.
The age argument is absurd. This isn’t a running back we are discussing, receivers often play into their mid 30s at a high level. Desean Jackson is a year older and just got a deal in the same ballpark as Tate. Antonio Brown is the same age as Tate, and nobody mentions his age as a reason Oakland shouldn’t have made the move for him. Taken into the context of where his contract is and comparing it to other players around the league, we got ourselves a guy that consistently puts up 90 receptions, 1000 yards, and 5 TDs at about half the cost of what top receivers get paid.
Let me get this right ——This signing sucks because this team isn’t good enough to appreciate his talents? Think about how laughably stupid that is. Sorry, it just is.
I don’t know how anybody can watch Tate play and not be impressed by him as a football player. He has the type of body, too, that I think will hold up well into his mid-30s. I’ve always seen a lot of Hines Ward in him...
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yeah I am not happy the team sucks either. I am paying a lot of money for tickets too so it really bothers me too.
Still.. we cannot look at these moves independently or in a vacuum. This is just the beginning of the off season. We need to see what team we are taking into training camp.
You cannot win a game of chess in one move. This week, we sacrificed the Queen to preserve the King.
Funny that you bring up chess and wanting us fans to look at the team like we are playing chess. Alpha Zero learned how to beat the best chess computer in the world before it in 3 hours.
There are people that can program these types of systems out there for us to hire, other teams have people of this ilk, no evidence that we do. We have people advocating for viewing our moves like chess with a leader that doesn't seem to understand how to apply the best ways to win at chess today. These same people advocate patience while we have become the laughing stock of the league. Great, really great.
Definitely has opinions on Giants management that frankly more people should have even if he is strong with them but definitely a wild card.
A few weeks ago told me that he didn't necessarily believe in team building with WRs but now seems in support of this move. I think it is very easy to like Tate as a player but not having problems with this move while advocating a rebuild is definitely a hot take.
I'm down on this move because it again seems overall inconsistent with any kind of plan or format that has worked. The closest comp I can think to a team that won with a plan resembling anything like this is the Broncos with Peyton Manning, maybe all the way back to Dilfer or Brad Johnson but you know what all those teams had in common? Fantastic defenses.
Hard to defend this approach with our defense and again if you had any inclination that this was your plan, I just can't comprehend how you move Snacks for a 4th rounder.
...about Golden Tate! He is a very fine receiver with a knack of taking short to intermediate passes and turning them into big gains.
And don't be fooled by his supposed drop in productivity... he was traded in mid-season and it takes awhile to learn a new system and be properly / optimally integrated into that system.
And last but not least, it is totally unfair to compare this player with OBJ. Golden Tate has to be judged in his own right. He is a very solid football player and ranked, for example, as the 27th best free agent by NFL.com.
The rest hopefully depends on value.
For myself, being biased towards D and with this particular draft being very, apparently very, strong on D fronts, I'm hoping that sort of value discipline lasts the entire draft.
Folks biased towards O seem less aware of their bias and more likely to apply hope or projections to offense prospects, and therefore to loose discipline a bit.
The rest hopefully depends on value.
For myself, being biased towards D and with this particular draft being very, apparently very, strong on D fronts, I'm hoping that sort of value discipline lasts the entire draft.
Folks biased towards O seem less aware of their bias and more likely to apply hope or projections to offense prospects, and therefore to loose discipline a bit.
I was just thinking that, by signing Golden Tate, the Giants won't feel forced to go WR at #17. I'd love to snag, for example, Devin White at #6 and maybe someone like Devin Bush at #17, or a nice two-way TE such as TJ Hockenson.
The age argument is absurd. This isn’t a running back we are discussing, receivers often play into their mid 30s at a high level. Desean Jackson is a year older and just got a deal in the same ballpark as Tate. Antonio Brown is the same age as Tate, and nobody mentions his age as a reason Oakland shouldn’t have made the move for him. Taken into the context of where his contract is and comparing it to other players around the league, we got ourselves a guy that consistently puts up 90 receptions, 1000 yards, and 5 TDs at about half the cost of what top receivers get paid.
Excellent points, thanks. By the way, Julio Jones and AJ Green I believe are also both 30. Anyone want to diss these guys too. Tate has never missed any games and is in great shape. Playing till 34 is no big deal.
and he's not being paid like Julio Jones or AJ Green.
His AAV right now puts him as the 23rd highest paid WR in the NFL, 1 spot ahead of Desean Jackson and 1 spot behind Jamison Crowder.
I agree with you that he's a good player. He's at least on a FMV contract even if there are guys in that same range that would be preferable for whatever reason. His production consistency and durability stand out however IMO.
Missing the point again... of course.
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He's not Julio Jones or Aj Green
Missing the point again... of course.
5superbowls brought up Julio and Greens age and said nobody is dissing them.
So no I didn’t miss the point.