Beckham and pursue this all slot receiver strategy sooner. We could have gotten Beasley and Crowder too.
Oh you see a shotgun 4WR formation with Barkley in the backfield. JUST KIDDING. He's going split out inside the inside receiver!! What will you do with all this slot?? WHAT???
offense has a semblance of a core (Barkley/Engram/Shepard/now decent OL) and is/was a few pieces away from being solid (like Tate, or Daryl Williams - who I'll bet had a similar sized contract offer in front of him yesterday).
Defense needs a core and you can't get core pieces in FA. Just doesn't work.
They'd do well to add at least 1 pass rusher through FA, but the defense will be fixed if they successfully add 2-3 core players in the draft.
We're not finished @ WR - if we don't draft or sign any big bodies to play outside, I'll be very surprised.
But - I know we need to go one move, by knee-jerk move here and go nuts over each one as if this is the final piece for the offseason.
There simply doesn't seem to be much in the way of coherence or reason to these moves. It's not just BBI loose cannons saying that, it's most of the football world saying it.
Most of the football world consists of ESPN talking heads and people with no clue.
Do we really care what fucking Field Yates thinks about what's going on here? I don't.
Maybe they're going to move Shepard. Who knows. It's just frustrating that every thread has to have 100 sarcastic comments about how no one in the org knows what they're doing.
People can hate the signing - I don't care - but the nonstop, over and over complaining over every single thing is just exhausting to sift through and actually converse over sometimes.
The Giants are just in a place right now where anything they do is going to be put under a microscope and be questioned.
I didn't want the "go for it with Eli" thing to happen again here this year, but this is what we're getting, so.. they better have more coming and knock this draft out of the fucking park.
not sure how people are shitting themselves. 23 mil is not a large guarantee over 4 years, nor is a 10 mil hit. He's a very productive player and never gets hurt.
isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
Reliable if not flashy, does the little things well. The 19 is actually kinda sharp, and it can surprise you sometimes at 203 hp. Not a bad car at all.
OBJ's replacement. Maybe they did not want that to fall on the shoulders of a younger player or a rookie? A veteran like Tate can deal with that better. Just saying.....
who really gives a rats ass about the money.....JFC, it's not like they're giving him AB money...always liked him as a WR and he's definitely a positive move for the team.
Some fans act like the money is coming out of their bank account.
mean anything until we see his signing bonus. Just most likely means he will be here for two years as they are both probably guaranteed. do the cut cost will be two forth of the signing bonus. Not a big deal and he was regarded as one of if not the best WR on the market. Nothing will make some of you happy.
This from PFF article in Feb on undervalued Fantasy Players Â
Much like Wilson, Tate is a lot better than most think, and for similar statistical reasons. Over the past six seasons, among all wide receivers with at least 50 targets, Tate has ranked fourth, third, second, 10th, fourth, and first in yards after the catch per reception. Over the past eight seasons, among all wide receivers with at least 50 targets, Tate has ranked second, third, third, second, fourth, first, first, and first in missed tackles forced per reception. In PPR points, Tate has finished 28th, 12th, 17th, 23rd, and 11th among wide receivers over the past five seasons. I’m willing to chalk 2018 up as an outlier and bet Tate’s next team gets more out of him than Philadelphia did.
However, he pretty much duplicates Shep, only for much more money. A 31 year old receiver that averages about 10 yards per catch on a team that already has an established slot receiver and completely lacks a downfield threat....yeah, that's an odd signing.
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isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
OBJ's replacement. Maybe they did not want that to fall on the shoulders of a younger player or a rookie? A veteran like Tate can deal with that better. Just saying.....
Reliable if not flashy, does the little things well. The 19 is actually kinda sharp, and it can surprise you sometimes at 203 hp. Not a bad car at all.
But I ain't putting two of them in my driveway.
Thank you!!!
You guys aren't seeing the big picture - sure he's redundant Â
We need defensive players, pass rushers, and guys who can play in space.
We have Barkley and he will be the center of the offense. Improve the OL? We made a good move there. Still more to do. Get some young size/speed at WR and not a fading slot guy who won't help Barkley at all. He doens't make the team a tougher matchup.
We should have spent that money on bigger priorities especially defense. Our front 7 may be the worst in the NFL right now. Our pass rusher is the worst in the league and we're signing this guy? Terrible.
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isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
Tate is actually known for his good blocking.
So is Shepard - there's highlight reels of the guy flying down field and blowing people up. He was a catalyst on several big Barkley runs or a guy who provided a key block in the process.
NFL Network reports the Patriots are interested in free agent Golden Tate.
We are also hearing the sun is hot. The Patriots brought in Maurice Harris and Bruce Ellington for visits on Thursday, but Tate is simply on a different level than those two. With Tate seemingly encountering a colder than expected market, the Patriots could end up getting the 30-year-old at a bargain.
We need defensive players, pass rushers, and guys who can play in space.
We have Barkley and he will be the center of the offense. Improve the OL? We made a good move there. Still more to do. Get some young size/speed at WR and not a fading slot guy who won't help Barkley at all. He doens't make the team a tougher matchup.
We should have spent that money on bigger priorities especially defense. Our front 7 may be the worst in the NFL right now. Our pass rusher is the worst in the league and we're signing this guy? Terrible.
They can take an outside guy in the draft.
I expect Remmers to be next, then hopefully Golden, a CB and another Safety.
A couple interesting stats on Golden Tate from 2017 Â
isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
Tate is actually known for his good blocking.
Ok based on what? When we talk about linemen blocking it's all about size and arm length but let's not apply that same logic to receivers?
Also he might do better against slot corners yes but the point is one of SS or Tate is going to have to go on the outside now. They are our top 2 receivers to so conceivably they could both be outside to maximize our passing game.
isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
Huh? I'm not a huge fan of the move (for the redundancy, Tate is a decent receiver) but both of those guys are known as solid, high effort blockers.
isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
Tate is actually known for his good blocking.
Ok based on what? When we talk about linemen blocking it's all about size and arm length but let's not apply that same logic to receivers?
Also he might do better against slot corners yes but the point is one of SS or Tate is going to have to go on the outside now. They are our top 2 receivers to so conceivably they could both be outside to maximize our passing game.
Hines Ward was one of the best blocking WR's ever and he is about the same size as Tate.
But I need to see the contract details to say for sure. If the guaranteed money is mostly the salaries for this year and next year I do not mind it as much as if it was due to large signing bonus that makes it difficult to cut.
DK Metcalf may well be on the board @ 17. Guy is 6'5", 230+ and a freak. His production isn't there @ the college level but most of it was cut short because of a neck injury. He has all pro ability.
Oh you see a shotgun 4WR formation with Barkley in the backfield. JUST KIDDING. He's going split out inside the inside receiver!! What will you do with all this slot?? WHAT???
Defense needs a core and you can't get core pieces in FA. Just doesn't work.
They'd do well to add at least 1 pass rusher through FA, but the defense will be fixed if they successfully add 2-3 core players in the draft.
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than Shepard. They aren't the same player.
They're both slot guys, though
Come on buddy, let it play out. Much left in FA and most importantly 12 picks in the draft
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We're not finished @ WR - if we don't draft or sign any big bodies to play outside, I'll be very surprised.
But - I know we need to go one move, by knee-jerk move here and go nuts over each one as if this is the final piece for the offseason.
There simply doesn't seem to be much in the way of coherence or reason to these moves. It's not just BBI loose cannons saying that, it's most of the football world saying it.
Most of the football world consists of ESPN talking heads and people with no clue.
Do we really care what fucking Field Yates thinks about what's going on here? I don't.
Maybe they're going to move Shepard. Who knows. It's just frustrating that every thread has to have 100 sarcastic comments about how no one in the org knows what they're doing.
People can hate the signing - I don't care - but the nonstop, over and over complaining over every single thing is just exhausting to sift through and actually converse over sometimes.
The Giants are just in a place right now where anything they do is going to be put under a microscope and be questioned.
I didn't want the "go for it with Eli" thing to happen again here this year, but this is what we're getting, so.. they better have more coming and knock this draft out of the fucking park.
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than Shepard. They aren't the same player.
They're both slot guys, though
Come on buddy, let it play out. Much left in FA and most importantly 12 picks in the draft
I understand, but I don't see the point of having two guys who excel in the slot. We need outside receivers.
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was paid 200k per reception last year, he has been shit the last two seasons.
Who the hell taught you math? He had 74 receptions last year and a salary of $7 million.
As to his stats:
2018 - 74/795
2017 - 92/1,003
I'd hardly call those (especially 2017) "shit"
Had a 1000 yd season and 92 receptions. Not the perfect complement to Shep but they can still work plenty well together in the right system.
Yup
But I ain't putting two of them in my driveway.
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than Shepard. They aren't the same player.
They're both slot guys, though
Come on buddy, let it play out. Much left in FA and most importantly 12 picks in the draft
I understand, but I don't see the point of having two guys who excel in the slot. We need outside receivers.
Perhaps they’re looking to move SS before his contract ends? Too early to know at this point
Some fans act like the money is coming out of their bank account.
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Tate is actually known for his good blocking.
Good point
But I ain't putting two of them in my driveway.
Thank you!!!
We have Barkley and he will be the center of the offense. Improve the OL? We made a good move there. Still more to do. Get some young size/speed at WR and not a fading slot guy who won't help Barkley at all. He doens't make the team a tougher matchup.
We should have spent that money on bigger priorities especially defense. Our front 7 may be the worst in the NFL right now. Our pass rusher is the worst in the league and we're signing this guy? Terrible.
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isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
Tate is actually known for his good blocking.
So is Shepard - there's highlight reels of the guy flying down field and blowing people up. He was a catalyst on several big Barkley runs or a guy who provided a key block in the process.
But - the hysterics are more important.
We are also hearing the sun is hot. The Patriots brought in Maurice Harris and Bruce Ellington for visits on Thursday, but Tate is simply on a different level than those two. With Tate seemingly encountering a colder than expected market, the Patriots could end up getting the 30-year-old at a bargain.
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We have Barkley and he will be the center of the offense. Improve the OL? We made a good move there. Still more to do. Get some young size/speed at WR and not a fading slot guy who won't help Barkley at all. He doens't make the team a tougher matchup.
We should have spent that money on bigger priorities especially defense. Our front 7 may be the worst in the NFL right now. Our pass rusher is the worst in the league and we're signing this guy? Terrible.
They can take an outside guy in the draft.
I expect Remmers to be next, then hopefully Golden, a CB and another Safety.
#1 in catch rate.
60% of snaps in the slot. So he can play outside.
This team has been absolutely plagued with drops. Don't have that problem with Golden Tate.
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isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
Tate is actually known for his good blocking.
Ok based on what? When we talk about linemen blocking it's all about size and arm length but let's not apply that same logic to receivers?
Also he might do better against slot corners yes but the point is one of SS or Tate is going to have to go on the outside now. They are our top 2 receivers to so conceivably they could both be outside to maximize our passing game.
more like the Browns
Huh? I'm not a huge fan of the move (for the redundancy, Tate is a decent receiver) but both of those guys are known as solid, high effort blockers.
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We are literally transforming into the New England Patriots.
more like the Browns
The Browns of 2 years ago?
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than Shepard. They aren't the same player.
They're both slot guys, though
Come on buddy, let it play out. Much left in FA and most importantly 12 picks in the draft
I understand, but I don't see the point of having two guys who excel in the slot. We need outside receivers.
Perhaps they’re looking to move SS before his contract ends? Too early to know at this point
Could be. Gettleman seems to be scrubbing every single fingerprint of Jerry Reese's from this team.
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isn't this a little confusing to you that we just spent all these resources upgrading the line but we could have one of the very worst receiver blocking teams? Harder to bust those runs if you have SS or Tate on the outside against a larger CB.
Tate is actually known for his good blocking.
Ok based on what? When we talk about linemen blocking it's all about size and arm length but let's not apply that same logic to receivers?
Also he might do better against slot corners yes but the point is one of SS or Tate is going to have to go on the outside now. They are our top 2 receivers to so conceivably they could both be outside to maximize our passing game.
Hines Ward was one of the best blocking WR's ever and he is about the same size as Tate.