The reaction, I have a feeling, would have been very different. It would be celebrated and envied if Tate went to the Pats. With the Giants, it’s “WTH” or “Meh” lol
76 between Detroit and Philly last year. He can play the outside or the inside and so could Shepard. You can use them in multiple formations. When the Pats had Amendola and Edelman did anyone say their roster construction was off? Not really seeing the critique of this deal. He catches balls, he lessens the OBJ loss. I think he will surprise a lot of people. I like the move.
We need defensive players, pass rushers, and guys who can play in space.
We have Barkley and he will be the center of the offense. Improve the OL? We made a good move there. Still more to do. Get some young size/speed at WR and not a fading slot guy who won't help Barkley at all. He doens't make the team a tougher matchup.
We should have spent that money on bigger priorities especially defense. Our front 7 may be the worst in the NFL right now. Our pass rusher is the worst in the league and we're signing this guy? Terrible.
They can take an outside guy in the draft.
I expect Remmers to be next, then hopefully Golden, a CB and another Safety.
Yea, let’s do that. Sign irresponsible contracts and blow our shot at a top QB in 2020 by putting bandaids on this mess. This team is a joke.
DK Metcalf may well be on the board @ 17. Guy is 6'5", 230+ and a freak. His production isn't there @ the college level but most of it was cut short because of a neck injury. He has all pro ability.
I don't want Metcalf. He wreaks of workout warrior but his teammate AJ Brown could be an option.
We need defensive players, pass rushers, and guys who can play in space.
We have Barkley and he will be the center of the offense. Improve the OL? We made a good move there. Still more to do. Get some young size/speed at WR and not a fading slot guy who won't help Barkley at all. He doens't make the team a tougher matchup.
We should have spent that money on bigger priorities especially defense. Our front 7 may be the worst in the NFL right now. Our pass rusher is the worst in the league and we're signing this guy? Terrible.
They can take an outside guy in the draft.
I expect Remmers to be next, then hopefully Golden, a CB and another Safety.
Yea, let’s do that. Sign irresponsible contracts and blow our shot at a top QB in 2020 by putting bandaids on this mess. This team is a joke.
Show me the irresponsible contract. If you think 4 years 40 mil for Tate is too much you just don't have a grasp on the market.
I don't believe that. Where do you see those numbers.
Id bet it was more like 10%. hes a slot guy. only time hes playing outside is if injuries force him out there.
2016 76% of his snaps were outside.
The last two years 24% were on the outside.
He can play both and do it well. You can mix him up with Shep. Are they explosive? No, but I think with Engram, Shep, Tate, and Saquon (who is explosive) that is not a terrible skill position set. As I said, this is a good move.
DK Metcalf may well be on the board @ 17. Guy is 6'5", 230+ and a freak. His production isn't there @ the college level but most of it was cut short because of a neck injury. He has all pro ability.
David Boston Jr. As Fats has said, he's going to have a calf muscle explode in the middle of a game
is a free agent next year right? how much is he going to ask for? he might want more than $10M, this signing might be in anticipation of losing sheppard.
I think the people talking about moving Shepard may be right. It would be consistent with what Gettleman's been doing. He almost certainly is not crazy about re-signing him. And remember Shep was on the boat.
DK Metcalf may well be on the board @ 17. Guy is 6'5", 230+ and a freak. His production isn't there @ the college level but most of it was cut short because of a neck injury. He has all pro ability.
David Boston Jr. As Fats has said, he's going to have a calf muscle explode in the middle of a game
Boston was really fucking good before he roided himself out and became a hot air balloon.
Both Shepard and Tate are significantly more effective in the slot.
Nothing DG does makes much sense. What I suspect is going to happen is he’s gonna band aid this thing enough to have us win 6 games next year instead of 2-4, which probably is needed to get at the top QB’s in April of 2020.
But I need to see the contract details to say for sure. If the guaranteed money is mostly the salaries for this year and next year I do not mind it as much as if it was due to large signing bonus that makes it difficult to cut.
others have said it, but this is a bad fit. he is not a downfield burner. he is entirely redundant of SS and even EE. we have no outside receivers. he is not a bad player and it's not an awful contract, he is just a bad fit. i also worry about him getting really old really fast
this signing only makes sense if SS is gone after this year or if we have plans to trade SS. otherwise i just don't get it
The reaction, I have a feeling, would have been very different. It would be celebrated and envied if Tate went to the Pats. With the Giants, it’s “WTH” or “Meh” lol
Comparing the Pats to this dumpster fire is “WTH”, “meh” and “LOL”
You do realize this team has made the playoffs once since 2011 and the Pats have won 3 Super Bowls in that time, right????
Not a bad player but definitely on the decline. Receivers don't get better on the north side of 30.He's a slot guy and I believe we have one already,no? WTF is Gettleman doing? I understand rebuilding but signing 30+ year old receivers is not rebuilding IMO. Gettleman had one pretty good draft but every other move he has done makes me believe he has little idea of what he is doing. After we suck again next year, I hope he is gone!
can be used on end-arounds and has return value. The $ numbers always look higher to me than I expect, but he's not a day 1 signing, is a solid vet & there's versatility. Also probably a more old-school professional type in the locker room
I get the 2 slots question but have never understood why scheme & play design can't adjust to solid players. Doesn't it mean we have 2 tougher, short-yardage, shifty, interior WRs? Can they not be used on the same play at times, when not spelling each other? Not all coaches could, but you'd hope a good coach can use value. (I'd also ask if Diggs & Thielen were known as smaller, slot type WRs, if so Shurmur did ok with that)
In the fav BB comp, he gets 2 athletic TEs and not only makes the O heavy 2 TE sets but also decides to use one as an RB out the backfield. Or more applicable Edelman / Amendola as mentioned above. I don't think 2 slot WRs would be even that exotic or unusual
In 2017...
"Tate ran 79 percent of his routes from the slot and drew an average depth of target of 6.7 yards, which ranked 49th of 51 wide receivers to see at least 75 targets."
I know the Pats were interested, think that got the contract up a bit in GTD. money. They now have two
slot receivers now. Tate will need to play more on the
outside, SS is not as good on the outside.
Id bet it was more like 10%. hes a slot guy. only time hes playing outside is if injuries force him out there.
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We need defensive players, pass rushers, and guys who can play in space.
We have Barkley and he will be the center of the offense. Improve the OL? We made a good move there. Still more to do. Get some young size/speed at WR and not a fading slot guy who won't help Barkley at all. He doens't make the team a tougher matchup.
We should have spent that money on bigger priorities especially defense. Our front 7 may be the worst in the NFL right now. Our pass rusher is the worst in the league and we're signing this guy? Terrible.
They can take an outside guy in the draft.
I expect Remmers to be next, then hopefully Golden, a CB and another Safety.
Yea, let’s do that. Sign irresponsible contracts and blow our shot at a top QB in 2020 by putting bandaids on this mess. This team is a joke.
Id bet it was more like 10%. hes a slot guy. only time hes playing outside is if injuries force him out there.
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I don't want Metcalf. He wreaks of workout warrior but his teammate AJ Brown could be an option.
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We need defensive players, pass rushers, and guys who can play in space.
We have Barkley and he will be the center of the offense. Improve the OL? We made a good move there. Still more to do. Get some young size/speed at WR and not a fading slot guy who won't help Barkley at all. He doens't make the team a tougher matchup.
We should have spent that money on bigger priorities especially defense. Our front 7 may be the worst in the NFL right now. Our pass rusher is the worst in the league and we're signing this guy? Terrible.
They can take an outside guy in the draft.
I expect Remmers to be next, then hopefully Golden, a CB and another Safety.
Yea, let’s do that. Sign irresponsible contracts and blow our shot at a top QB in 2020 by putting bandaids on this mess. This team is a joke.
Show me the irresponsible contract. If you think 4 years 40 mil for Tate is too much you just don't have a grasp on the market.
Id bet it was more like 10%. hes a slot guy. only time hes playing outside is if injuries force him out there.
2016 76% of his snaps were outside.
The last two years 24% were on the outside.
He can play both and do it well. You can mix him up with Shep. Are they explosive? No, but I think with Engram, Shep, Tate, and Saquon (who is explosive) that is not a terrible skill position set. As I said, this is a good move.
And what exactly are you looking for here? Running this thing back with Eli? Until when exactly. Glad you’re happy.
David Boston Jr. As Fats has said, he's going to have a calf muscle explode in the middle of a game
We should probably not have hired a 70 year old who doesn’t believe in analytics, positional value or asset management.
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DK Metcalf may well be on the board @ 17. Guy is 6'5", 230+ and a freak. His production isn't there @ the college level but most of it was cut short because of a neck injury. He has all pro ability.
David Boston Jr. As Fats has said, he's going to have a calf muscle explode in the middle of a game
Boston was really fucking good before he roided himself out and became a hot air balloon.
This was it?? Jesus...
(not against you, jt)
Nothing DG does makes much sense. What I suspect is going to happen is he’s gonna band aid this thing enough to have us win 6 games next year instead of 2-4, which probably is needed to get at the top QB’s in April of 2020.
The Giants are in big shit with this clown as GM.
this signing only makes sense if SS is gone after this year or if we have plans to trade SS. otherwise i just don't get it
Pump up that completion %!
Comparing the Pats to this dumpster fire is “WTH”, “meh” and “LOL”
You do realize this team has made the playoffs once since 2011 and the Pats have won 3 Super Bowls in that time, right????
If there is any trade market for him I would be exploring that.
Its a bad move. This guy isn't worth these numbers.
He's an OK #3 but Id rather go with a young guy and cheap option as a #3.
Agreed. Way too much for an aging receiver, even though he is still productive.
Well, we had Peyton Hillis, so...
He will be productive too for at least a couple seasons.
I may not be. I saw 61% slot percentage. Made sense to me lol.
If there is any trade market for him I would be exploring that.
My guess? They are
I get the 2 slots question but have never understood why scheme & play design can't adjust to solid players. Doesn't it mean we have 2 tougher, short-yardage, shifty, interior WRs? Can they not be used on the same play at times, when not spelling each other? Not all coaches could, but you'd hope a good coach can use value. (I'd also ask if Diggs & Thielen were known as smaller, slot type WRs, if so Shurmur did ok with that)
In the fav BB comp, he gets 2 athletic TEs and not only makes the O heavy 2 TE sets but also decides to use one as an RB out the backfield. Or more applicable Edelman / Amendola as mentioned above. I don't think 2 slot WRs would be even that exotic or unusual
Some of these ridiculous negative posters are surely trolls.
I’m convinced the plan is to win just enough games to guarantee we can’t replace Eli with a top pick
2018 Shepard - Yards after Catch: 5.1, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.7
2018 Tate - Yards after Catch: 5.8, Expected Yards after Catch: 5.0
Golden Tate was a running back in high school; he's very good with the ball in his hands. He's a better player than Shepard.
I wonder if they either change Shepard's role to the X receiver role, or trade him.
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And I guess the Eagles will get a good pick from this. Barf.
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Some of these ridiculous negative posters are surely trolls.
And I’m convinced some of these ridiculous homers enjoy terrible football and losing to the fucking Eagles every game
"Tate ran 79 percent of his routes from the slot and drew an average depth of target of 6.7 yards, which ranked 49th of 51 wide receivers to see at least 75 targets."
Everything in the slot.
Everything short.
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slot receivers now. Tate will need to play more on the
outside, SS is not as good on the outside.