In 2017...
"Tate ran 79 percent of his routes from the slot and drew an average depth of target of 6.7 yards, which ranked 49th of 51 wide receivers to see at least 75 targets."
Everything in the slot.
Everything short.
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LOL. The offense is going to be bundled together. We don't need no stinking outside receivers! Put everyone close together.
In 2017...
"Tate ran 79 percent of his routes from the slot and drew an average depth of target of 6.7 yards, which ranked 49th of 51 wide receivers to see at least 75 targets."
they make players better than they are. they fit their scheme to their players. they have the best coach and maybe QB in history. no offensive player leaves the pats and becomes a better player. please don't compare anything we do or could do with what the pats do
In 2017...
"Tate ran 79 percent of his routes from the slot and drew an average depth of target of 6.7 yards, which ranked 49th of 51 wide receivers to see at least 75 targets."
Everything in the slot.
Everything short.
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LOL. The offense is going to be bundled together. We don't need no stinking outside receivers! Put everyone close together.
He was on the famed boat trip, He and Beckum are tight plus he started acting out on the sideline last year ala OBJ. He also had several drops.
DG will continue to blow this thing up!
I think the people talking about moving Shepard may be right. It would be consistent with what Gettleman's been doing. He almost certainly is not crazy about re-signing him. And remember Shep was on the boat.
It would fit within his MO of moving out good players and replacing them with someone worse.
Both Shepard and Tate are significantly more effective in the slot.
Nothing DG does makes much sense. What I suspect is going to happen is hes gonna band aid this thing enough to have us win 6 games next year instead of 2-4, which probably is needed to get at the top QBs in April of 2020.
And that is why I call him DSG. Hes Dave Shitbag Gettleman, and hes ruining the franchise
BC weay be moving towards the batshit over the top all defense draft.
Specifically, two great, and different defensive linesmen, at least two very different types of linebackers', all top of draft, maybe still a free safety.
2016 Beckham - Yards after Catch: 5.2, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.6
2018 Shepard - Yards after Catch: 5.1, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.7
2018 Tate - Yards after Catch: 5.8, Expected Yards after Catch: 5.0
Golden Tate was a running back in high school; he's very good with the ball in his hands. He's a better player than Shepard.
I wonder if they either change Shepard's role to the X receiver role, or trade him.
I agree - he is a better player than Shepard. I can't believe I am seeing the opposite in this thread.
Dan Duggan just tweeted that if Golden Tate is worth 9, "the price for Shepard will only be higher"; so its not only on here. I think it is absurd, Golden Tate is durable guy with great hands, he reminds me of Bolden. We are luck to have him and yes, I am quite sure that in this league where the short passing has become a staple that you can run an offense wit Shepard and Tate. I think Gettleman has been awful, but I really don't understand the criticism of this move.
Paying that much guaranteed money for a JAG at this stage age 30. Awesome plan-
In what fucking universe is he a JAG. Before the trade he was on pace for his third consecutive 90 catch 1k yard season. It's like I'm taking fucking crazy pills.
thanks for posting that. Did anyone notice on the catch & run TD vs. the Browns that it was Peppers who caught him at the goal line? Go back and see that Peppers was blitzing on the play and was closest to Stafford when the ball was released, then turned upfield and was the only defender who had pursued to the end. I liked seeing this.
I love how everyone goes on about how the best in the business (BB in NE) takes players who love the sport and make plays and designs a system to fit what they do well, then criticizes the Giants for a move for a guy who doesn't fit their "system" of NOT having two slot receivers on the field at the same time.
The Giants look to have done their homework on this. Obviously he's no OBJ, but the WR corps just got a lot better today.
Again, time will tell whether this is a winning move or not - not the mob on BBI.
the worst WR core and they just added a solid veteran to a fair deal. Why are so many overreacting to this. They need help there they weren't going into the season with Bennie Fowler and Corey Coleman as their #2 and #3 WR's.
Exactly Tate can be a 2 .... shep can go into the slot we draft WR this yr and next early. EE has 4.4 speed we can make it work for a season or 2.
2016 Beckham - Yards after Catch: 5.2, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.6
2018 Shepard - Yards after Catch: 5.1, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.7
2018 Tate - Yards after Catch: 5.8, Expected Yards after Catch: 5.0
Golden Tate was a running back in high school; he's very good with the ball in his hands. He's a better player than Shepard.
I wonder if they either change Shepard's role to the X receiver role, or trade him.
I agree - he is a better player than Shepard. I can't believe I am seeing the opposite in this thread.
Dan Duggan just tweeted that if Golden Tate is worth 9, "the price for Shepard will only be higher"; so its not only on here. I think it is absurd, Golden Tate is durable guy with great hands, he reminds me of Bolden. We are luck to have him and yes, I am quite sure that in this league where the short passing has become a staple that you can run an offense wit Shepard and Tate. I think Gettleman has been awful, but I really don't understand the criticism of this move.
It's possible Duggan is right by way of Shepard being younger and likely still ascending a bit.
But right now, Tate is the better player of the two.
Maybe Shepard will be here with him, maybe he won't be.
I am quite sure we aren't going to stop here @ WR and go into the year with this exact group. I expect a bigger body to be added one way or another.
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Some of these ridiculous negative posters are surely trolls.
And Im convinced some of these ridiculous homers enjoy terrible football and losing to the fucking Eagles every game
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23 guaranteed
Oh fuck that's bad.
Lol. Im shocked.
"Tate ran 79 percent of his routes from the slot and drew an average depth of target of 6.7 yards, which ranked 49th of 51 wide receivers to see at least 75 targets."
Everything in the slot.
Everything short.
Link - ( New Window )
LOL. The offense is going to be bundled together. We don't need no stinking outside receivers! Put everyone close together.
"Tate ran 79 percent of his routes from the slot and drew an average depth of target of 6.7 yards, which ranked 49th of 51 wide receivers to see at least 75 targets."
Everything in the slot.
Everything short.
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Wow, that's all, thought it was more than that.
2018 Shepard - Yards after Catch: 5.1, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.7
2018 Tate - Yards after Catch: 5.8, Expected Yards after Catch: 5.0
Golden Tate was a running back in high school; he's very good with the ball in his hands. He's a better player than Shepard.
I wonder if they either change Shepard's role to the X receiver role, or trade him.
I agree - he is a better player than Shepard. I can't believe I am seeing the opposite in this thread.
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In 2017...
"Tate ran 79 percent of his routes from the slot and drew an average depth of target of 6.7 yards, which ranked 49th of 51 wide receivers to see at least 75 targets."
Everything in the slot.
Everything short.
Link - ( New Window )
LOL. The offense is going to be bundled together. We don't need no stinking outside receivers! Put everyone close together.
Bunch formation right. EE out to the left. Haha.
DG will continue to blow this thing up!
Eli is going to need a dependable, between the hashes safety blanket. Tate brings that and YAC. Very durable and a good, tough body.
I'm not saying this is the case, but it easily could be the case that the Giants offered significantly more money.
I doubt they were offering him 23 million guaranteed, considering they usually know what they're doing.
2018 Shepard - Yards after Catch: 5.1, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.7
2018 Tate - Yards after Catch: 5.8, Expected Yards after Catch: 5.0
Golden Tate was a running back in high school; he's very good with the ball in his hands. He's a better player than Shepard.
I wonder if they either change Shepard's role to the X receiver role, or trade him.
That's cool. He's also going to be 31 next season, so for how much longer will he be better than Shepard?
Even if we didn't sign Tate, Shepard was unlikely to be here past this season. There might be a chance he gets traded for a 4th rounder or something.
It would fit within his MO of moving out good players and replacing them with someone worse.
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Both Shepard and Tate are significantly more effective in the slot.
Nothing DG does makes much sense. What I suspect is going to happen is hes gonna band aid this thing enough to have us win 6 games next year instead of 2-4, which probably is needed to get at the top QBs in April of 2020.
And that is why I call him DSG. Hes Dave Shitbag Gettleman, and hes ruining the franchise
Specifically, two great, and different defensive linesmen, at least two very different types of linebackers', all top of draft, maybe still a free safety.
And...ok... If not in free agency, the center.
This is the year for this.
2018 Shepard - Yards after Catch: 5.1, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.7
2018 Tate - Yards after Catch: 5.8, Expected Yards after Catch: 5.0
Golden Tate was a running back in high school; he's very good with the ball in his hands. He's a better player than Shepard.
I wonder if they either change Shepard's role to the X receiver role, or trade him.
I can see Shep successfully converting to X or Y - he's skilled enough at route running and his work ethic is outstanding.
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2016 Beckham - Yards after Catch: 5.2, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.6
2018 Shepard - Yards after Catch: 5.1, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.7
2018 Tate - Yards after Catch: 5.8, Expected Yards after Catch: 5.0
Golden Tate was a running back in high school; he's very good with the ball in his hands. He's a better player than Shepard.
I wonder if they either change Shepard's role to the X receiver role, or trade him.
I agree - he is a better player than Shepard. I can't believe I am seeing the opposite in this thread.
Dan Duggan just tweeted that if Golden Tate is worth 9, "the price for Shepard will only be higher"; so its not only on here. I think it is absurd, Golden Tate is durable guy with great hands, he reminds me of Bolden. We are luck to have him and yes, I am quite sure that in this league where the short passing has become a staple that you can run an offense wit Shepard and Tate. I think Gettleman has been awful, but I really don't understand the criticism of this move.
In what fucking universe is he a JAG. Before the trade he was on pace for his third consecutive 90 catch 1k yard season. It's like I'm taking fucking crazy pills.
Yeah, holy moly - some of these comments you'd think it's literally not possible to have both guys on the field together.
My first reaction was that the two are a bit redundant - but, that doesn't mean you can't deploy both guys or have it work.
Tate isn't Cole fucking Beasley.
I love how everyone goes on about how the best in the business (BB in NE) takes players who love the sport and make plays and designs a system to fit what they do well, then criticizes the Giants for a move for a guy who doesn't fit their "system" of NOT having two slot receivers on the field at the same time.
The Giants look to have done their homework on this. Obviously he's no OBJ, but the WR corps just got a lot better today.
Again, time will tell whether this is a winning move or not - not the mob on BBI.
Guy takes hits in the middle and delivers blows back. This is a real football player.
But, again, that requires actually watching him play. And that doesn't appear to be a strength of BBI...
Exactly Tate can be a 2 .... shep can go into the slot we draft WR this yr and next early. EE has 4.4 speed we can make it work for a season or 2.
Another guy over 30.
A GM with no plan at all.
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2016 Beckham - Yards after Catch: 5.2, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.6
2018 Shepard - Yards after Catch: 5.1, Expected Yards after Catch: 4.7
2018 Tate - Yards after Catch: 5.8, Expected Yards after Catch: 5.0
Golden Tate was a running back in high school; he's very good with the ball in his hands. He's a better player than Shepard.
I wonder if they either change Shepard's role to the X receiver role, or trade him.
I agree - he is a better player than Shepard. I can't believe I am seeing the opposite in this thread.
Dan Duggan just tweeted that if Golden Tate is worth 9, "the price for Shepard will only be higher"; so its not only on here. I think it is absurd, Golden Tate is durable guy with great hands, he reminds me of Bolden. We are luck to have him and yes, I am quite sure that in this league where the short passing has become a staple that you can run an offense wit Shepard and Tate. I think Gettleman has been awful, but I really don't understand the criticism of this move.
It's possible Duggan is right by way of Shepard being younger and likely still ascending a bit.
But right now, Tate is the better player of the two.
Maybe Shepard will be here with him, maybe he won't be.
I am quite sure we aren't going to stop here @ WR and go into the year with this exact group. I expect a bigger body to be added one way or another.
Appreciate you weighing in, even if it is a bucket of cold water...you don't see much left in Tate's tank?
Guy takes hits in the middle and delivers blows back. This is a real football player.
But, again, that requires actually watching him play. And that doesn't appear to be a strength of BBI...
Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I absolutely loathe agreeing with you..
Guy takes hits in the middle and delivers blows back. This is a real football player.
But, again, that requires actually watching him play. And that doesn't appear to be a strength of BBI...
He has some of that Steve Smith Napoleon Complex in him - I love it.
Nobody ever said we were rebuilding.
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and Shepard don't have nearly as much to do with each other as you're all making it seem. They will play at the same time.
Yeah, holy moly - some of these comments you'd think it's literally not possible to have both guys on the field together.
My first reaction was that the two are a bit redundant - but, that doesn't mean you can't deploy both guys or have it work.
Tate isn't Cole fucking Beasley.
Right. Pats were able to get Edelman and Amendola on the field together. This so called "problem" cab be solved.
What's next? You can't have two TEs on the field simultaneously?
Guy takes hits in the middle and delivers blows back. This is a real football player.
But, again, that requires actually watching him play. And that doesn't appear to be a strength of BBI...
Because you are an Eli apologist that doesnt want a rebuild either. This is just another terrible move in a sea of them.
Please, please, no more fun. This front offices idea of fun is not good.
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Watch Tate play. You just can't boil him down to a few numbers, and then make a conclusion.
Guy takes hits in the middle and delivers blows back. This is a real football player.
But, again, that requires actually watching him play. And that doesn't appear to be a strength of BBI...
Because you are an Eli apologist that doesnt want a rebuild either. This is just another terrible move in a sea of them.
Please, please, no more fun. This front offices idea of fun is not good.
Gahahahahahaha
You think bw is an Eli APOLOGIST?!?!?
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and Shepard don't have nearly as much to do with each other as you're all making it seem. They will play at the same time.
Yeah, holy moly - some of these comments you'd think it's literally not possible to have both guys on the field together.
My first reaction was that the two are a bit redundant - but, that doesn't mean you can't deploy both guys or have it work.
Tate isn't Cole fucking Beasley.
Right. Pats were able to get Edelman and Amendola on the field together. This so called "problem" cab be solved.
What's next? You can't have two TEs on the field simultaneously?
They have a QB named Brady and an innovative offensive mind. We do not. I know you love Eli, but stop it.