He can still play and how ever you divide it up they will have a good 2 and 3. I don't know where people think players are going to sign these low end deals just because Fans want. How much should he have gotten
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
and Shepard don't have nearly as much to do with each other as you're all making it seem. They will play at the same time.
Yeah, holy moly - some of these comments you'd think it's literally not possible to have both guys on the field together.
My first reaction was that the two are a bit redundant - but, that doesn't mean you can't deploy both guys or have it work.
Tate isn't Cole fucking Beasley.
Right. Pats were able to get Edelman and Amendola on the field together. This so called "problem" cab be solved.
What's next? You can't have two TEs on the field simultaneously?
exactly, I would rather have two talented guys that do the same thing than two not talented guys that do different things. Last season, the Eagles had three slot receivers when they went on their run (Tate, Matthews, and Agholor). If you think we can't work with Golden Tate then I don't know what to say. Maybe watch more NFL games?
He was on the famed boat trip, He and Beckum are tight plus he started acting out on the sideline last year ala OBJ. He also had several drops.
DG will continue to blow this thing up!
He can still play and how ever you divide it up they will have a good 2 and 3. I don't know where people think players are going to sign these low end deals just because Fans want. How much should he have gotten
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
Coleman can run flys and keep the top of the defense loose.
But we definitely still need some physicality out there. I want a guy who can bully some smaller DB's on the outside and be a RZ target.
He can still play and how ever you divide it up they will have a good 2 and 3. I don't know where people think players are going to sign these low end deals just because Fans want. How much should he have gotten
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
Coleman can run flys and keep the top of the defense loose.
But we definitely still need some physicality out there. I want a guy who can bully some smaller DB's on the outside and be a RZ target.
He can still play and how ever you divide it up they will have a good 2 and 3. I don't know where people think players are going to sign these low end deals just because Fans want. How much should he have gotten
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
Coleman can run flys and keep the top of the defense loose.
But we definitely still need some physicality out there. I want a guy who can bully some smaller DB's on the outside and be a RZ target.
He can still play and how ever you divide it up they will have a good 2 and 3. I don't know where people think players are going to sign these low end deals just because Fans want. How much should he have gotten
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
Coleman can run flys and keep the top of the defense loose.
But we definitely still need some physicality out there. I want a guy who can bully some smaller DB's on the outside and be a RZ target.
Crabtree?
Prefer to go the draft route or maybe explore someone like Geronimo Allison since there's no pick attached to his tender level (UDFA)
Antonio Brown is 30, Julio Jones is 30, AJ Green is 30... etc. Who fucking cares.... And Tate is a better WR and FOOTBALL player than Shepard. Shepard isn’t reliable. Tate is!!! This dude makes plays!
stopgap pick-up. I think they can make Shep and Tate work on the field at the same time. Hope they can get someone in the draft, they sure have enough picks.
(2) They realize a guy like Shepard won't be around here when they do turn this around. Better to accumulate picks now and draft guys who will be entering their prime in 3-4 years.
I'm not predicting he will be traded...I just wouldn't be shocked. How close was Sterling to Beckham? What's his mindset right now?
Signing Golden Tate for 4 years means you're trying to compete, so we're getting another run with Eli.
There's no plan here, spin it however you want there's no plan. Odell was a locker room cancer, but Tate got exiled from Seattle because of the possibility he slept with the QB's ex wife.
If you were going to sign Tate, why not keep Odell and use Tate's money on a corner back?
(2) They realize a guy like Shepard won't be around here when they do turn this around. Better to accumulate picks now and draft guys who will be entering their prime in 3-4 years.
I'm not predicting he will be traded...I just wouldn't be shocked. How close was Sterling to Beckham? What's his mindset right now?
all fair points and im not opposed to moving Shep either. But you could have pieced together a WR corps for a team that wont win anymore that 6 games and not effect Collins compensatory pick as well. Since we don't have any FA worth signing Tate most likely will cancel out Collins. So its almost like we are trading a 3rd round pick for the right to sign tate.
Just go with you guys because I think they are in denial and want to give this another shot with Eli...which is pure lunacy at this point.
(2) They realize a guy like Shepard won't be around here when they do turn this around. Better to accumulate picks now and draft guys who will be entering their prime in 3-4 years.
I'm not predicting he will be traded...I just wouldn't be shocked. How close was Sterling to Beckham? What's his mindset right now?
all fair points and im not opposed to moving Shep either. But you could have pieced together a WR corps for a team that wont win anymore that 6 games and not effect Collins compensatory pick as well. Since we don't have any FA worth signing Tate most likely will cancel out Collins. So its almost like we are trading a 3rd round pick for the right to sign tate.
Just go with you guys because I think they are in denial and want to give this another shot with Eli...which is pure lunacy at this point.
Tates signing cancelled out the 5th we had for Brown getting signed
Yes I know he is great at getting downfield and lighting people Â
up that aren’t expecting it, I’ve seen the highlights. Any evidence he is any better than a big bodied #1 blocking outside at the pint of attack which is what he is looking like on our roster as of now. No one out there right now in FA or the draft that I could see supplanting him as #1 this year. Unless you are talking about SS who I see as having a similar issue.
Tate is physical for sure but there are some more physical #1 CBS out there that I’d rather have a receiver outmuscle say cutting it outside in the red zone.
Two things I don’t like about this move #1 having either him or SS as our #1 and trying to field a competitive team with a nothing talent defense and a 38 year old QB.
Shurmurs offense in MIN featured 2+ slots (Diggs/Thielen/Rudolph) Â
so while Tate's skill set seems duplicative of Shepard's (and Engram's) Shurmur has run an offense moving guys around and getting big production from multiple players out of the slot.
Regardless of who plays QB it helps to have weapons. Tate for 2 years around 11.5m/per by guaranteed money seems like a fine move unless he literally goes over the hill quickly.
It's a deep WR draft, grab a deep threat with speed to compete with Coleman (and maybe Latimer) in camp. Let Engram, Shepard, Tate, Barkley work the middle of the field and keep the chains moving.
Prefer to go the draft route or maybe explore someone like Geronimo Allison since there's no pick attached to his tender level (UDFA)
Maybe Kelvin Harmon with the 37th pick?
Harmon has some things about him I don't love - but his physicality is evident. He will bully smaller corners and I like how he plays.
He's a little slow which is my worry. But he has a good shot to produce in the RZ. He was fantastic against Clemson.. so he didn't just eat up crappy opponents.
is a good WR. He was the best WR on the market and didn't go for crazy money. 4 years 37.5 is very good for a WR like him. You see Terrell Williams go for more, Humphries go for more, Crowder go for more, etc and he is better than them all. Why would anyone be upset with this?
is a good WR. He was the best WR on the market and didn't go for crazy money. 4 years 37.5 is very good for a WR like him. You see Terrell Williams go for more, Humphries go for more, Crowder go for more, etc and he is better than them all. Why would anyone be upset with this?
People like to bitch and moan and complain
Trade the vets for picks. Then sign Tate? This makes no sense Â
Antonio Brown is 30, Julio Jones is 30, AJ Green is 30... etc. Who fucking cares.... And Tate is a better WR and FOOTBALL player than Shepard. Shepard isn’t reliable. Tate is!!! This dude makes plays!
Shepard isn’t reliable? JFC.
Guess we are at the point now where people will just post absolute bullshit nonsense to prove their dumbass fucking take.
is a good WR. He was the best WR on the market and didn't go for crazy money. 4 years 37.5 is very good for a WR like him. You see Terrell Williams go for more, Humphries go for more, Crowder go for more, etc and he is better than them all. Why would anyone be upset with this?
People like to bitch and moan and complain
What's having Golden Tate get you to 7 wins if you're lucky?
Blindly be in line with every move this team makes, let us know when you want to say we w're right.
The Giants look to have done their homework on this.
Where is an evidence of that?
or they did the right homework especially for a bottom of the league team?
Our talent level is at the bottom of the league with massive holes at critical spots. The move would have been to do the homework on younger NFL players and not overpay for this type of player/age/position.
$23 million guaranteed for a limited slot WR? I can't buy into that.
RE: Shurmurs offense in MIN featured 2+ slots (Diggs/Thielen/Rudolph) Â
so while Tate's skill set seems duplicative of Shepard's (and Engram's) Shurmur has run an offense moving guys around and getting big production from multiple players out of the slot.
Regardless of who plays QB it helps to have weapons. Tate for 2 years around 11.5m/per by guaranteed money seems like a fine move unless he literally goes over the hill quickly.
It's a deep WR draft, grab a deep threat with speed to compete with Coleman (and maybe Latimer) in camp. Let Engram, Shepard, Tate, Barkley work the middle of the field and keep the chains moving.
Good post. I was just asking above if Diggs & Thielen were considered 2 slots for the same reason. That aside from the Amendola / Edelman comp if not Gronk / AH at TE (tho agreed, it's tough to 'do what NE does' tho I always think it's best to use the ideal as reference if not strive for it anyway)
And as you said if it's a deep WR draft, I heard we have picks...
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Watch Tate play. You just can't boil him down to a few numbers, and then make a conclusion.
Guy takes hits in the middle and delivers blows back. This is a real football player.
But, again, that requires actually watching him play. And that doesn't appear to be a strength of BBI...
Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! I absolutely loathe agreeing with you..
Wait a minute... didn't you ridicule Tate as nothing special when the Eagles signed him?
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
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and Shepard don't have nearly as much to do with each other as you're all making it seem. They will play at the same time.
Yeah, holy moly - some of these comments you'd think it's literally not possible to have both guys on the field together.
My first reaction was that the two are a bit redundant - but, that doesn't mean you can't deploy both guys or have it work.
Tate isn't Cole fucking Beasley.
Right. Pats were able to get Edelman and Amendola on the field together. This so called "problem" cab be solved.
What's next? You can't have two TEs on the field simultaneously?
exactly, I would rather have two talented guys that do the same thing than two not talented guys that do different things. Last season, the Eagles had three slot receivers when they went on their run (Tate, Matthews, and Agholor). If you think we can't work with Golden Tate then I don't know what to say. Maybe watch more NFL games?
DG will continue to blow this thing up!
Haha Wasn’t Shep also the holder of the leash?
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
Coleman can run flys and keep the top of the defense loose.
But we definitely still need some physicality out there. I want a guy who can bully some smaller DB's on the outside and be a RZ target.
baldwin
edelman
Tate is a little long in the tooth, but he is a tough SOB who will fit in well here.
that's fine if he is, but I don't think he has to be.
Because you are an Eli apologist
I think you're either thinking of another poster, or thinking of another Eli, or not thinking at all.
I don't get people. Y'all are dumb.
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He can still play and how ever you divide it up they will have a good 2 and 3. I don't know where people think players are going to sign these low end deals just because Fans want. How much should he have gotten
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
Coleman can run flys and keep the top of the defense loose.
But we definitely still need some physicality out there. I want a guy who can bully some smaller DB's on the outside and be a RZ target.
Crabtree?
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He can still play and how ever you divide it up they will have a good 2 and 3. I don't know where people think players are going to sign these low end deals just because Fans want. How much should he have gotten
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
Coleman can run flys and keep the top of the defense loose.
But we definitely still need some physicality out there. I want a guy who can bully some smaller DB's on the outside and be a RZ target.
Hello, Plaxico?
Noted Aim
yeah because thats just how the pats retool every year...but yeah who cares about those and that bad organization right?
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He can still play and how ever you divide it up they will have a good 2 and 3. I don't know where people think players are going to sign these low end deals just because Fans want. How much should he have gotten
Now need someone who can run deep on the outside consistently.
Coleman can run flys and keep the top of the defense loose.
But we definitely still need some physicality out there. I want a guy who can bully some smaller DB's on the outside and be a RZ target.
Crabtree?
Prefer to go the draft route or maybe explore someone like Geronimo Allison since there's no pick attached to his tender level (UDFA)
makes sense but we are replacing all our players with older players...seems like an odd rebuilding plan
They should be looking to deal any guy at the end of his contract. Not in DGs nature to sign them to a second contract.
That would be something... DG is like Michael Corleone on the day of the baptism pitting hits on the Five Family Heads...
I don't, I think we go for a big WR in the draft with the 2nd rd pick
(1) They are in denial.
(2) They realize a guy like Shepard won't be around here when they do turn this around. Better to accumulate picks now and draft guys who will be entering their prime in 3-4 years.
I'm not predicting he will be traded...I just wouldn't be shocked. How close was Sterling to Beckham? What's his mindset right now?
There's no plan here, spin it however you want there's no plan. Odell was a locker room cancer, but Tate got exiled from Seattle because of the possibility he slept with the QB's ex wife.
If you were going to sign Tate, why not keep Odell and use Tate's money on a corner back?
A 2nd, old, fairly expensive slot receiver? I like Tate but this makes little sense to me and reeks of desperation following the OBJ deal.
Mike Francesa.
Mike Francesa.
He loves him, thought the Jets should have grabbed him
Prefer to go the draft route or maybe explore someone like Geronimo Allison since there's no pick attached to his tender level (UDFA)
Maybe Kelvin Harmon with the 37th pick?
Mike Francesa.
Well, that's not something that increases my confidence on this signing.
(1) They are in denial.
(2) They realize a guy like Shepard won't be around here when they do turn this around. Better to accumulate picks now and draft guys who will be entering their prime in 3-4 years.
I'm not predicting he will be traded...I just wouldn't be shocked. How close was Sterling to Beckham? What's his mindset right now?
all fair points and im not opposed to moving Shep either. But you could have pieced together a WR corps for a team that wont win anymore that 6 games and not effect Collins compensatory pick as well. Since we don't have any FA worth signing Tate most likely will cancel out Collins. So its almost like we are trading a 3rd round pick for the right to sign tate.
Just go with you guys because I think they are in denial and want to give this another shot with Eli...which is pure lunacy at this point.
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You can look at this two different ways.
(1) They are in denial.
(2) They realize a guy like Shepard won't be around here when they do turn this around. Better to accumulate picks now and draft guys who will be entering their prime in 3-4 years.
I'm not predicting he will be traded...I just wouldn't be shocked. How close was Sterling to Beckham? What's his mindset right now?
all fair points and im not opposed to moving Shep either. But you could have pieced together a WR corps for a team that wont win anymore that 6 games and not effect Collins compensatory pick as well. Since we don't have any FA worth signing Tate most likely will cancel out Collins. So its almost like we are trading a 3rd round pick for the right to sign tate.
Just go with you guys because I think they are in denial and want to give this another shot with Eli...which is pure lunacy at this point.
Tates signing cancelled out the 5th we had for Brown getting signed
Tate is physical for sure but there are some more physical #1 CBS out there that I’d rather have a receiver outmuscle say cutting it outside in the red zone.
Two things I don’t like about this move #1 having either him or SS as our #1 and trying to field a competitive team with a nothing talent defense and a 38 year old QB.
Regardless of who plays QB it helps to have weapons. Tate for 2 years around 11.5m/per by guaranteed money seems like a fine move unless he literally goes over the hill quickly.
It's a deep WR draft, grab a deep threat with speed to compete with Coleman (and maybe Latimer) in camp. Let Engram, Shepard, Tate, Barkley work the middle of the field and keep the chains moving.
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Prefer to go the draft route or maybe explore someone like Geronimo Allison since there's no pick attached to his tender level (UDFA)
Maybe Kelvin Harmon with the 37th pick?
Harmon has some things about him I don't love - but his physicality is evident. He will bully smaller corners and I like how he plays.
He's a little slow which is my worry. But he has a good shot to produce in the RZ. He was fantastic against Clemson.. so he didn't just eat up crappy opponents.
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and I speculated earlier today, we wouldn't be surprised if Shepard is on the market.
I don't, I think we go for a big WR in the draft with the 2nd rd pick
I would love Riley Ridley... 2nd may be too high, but maybe we can move up in the 3rd...
People like to bitch and moan and complain
Some of you guys need sedatives.
Shepard isn’t reliable? JFC.
Guess we are at the point now where people will just post absolute bullshit nonsense to prove their dumbass fucking take.
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is a good WR. He was the best WR on the market and didn't go for crazy money. 4 years 37.5 is very good for a WR like him. You see Terrell Williams go for more, Humphries go for more, Crowder go for more, etc and he is better than them all. Why would anyone be upset with this?
People like to bitch and moan and complain
What's having Golden Tate get you to 7 wins if you're lucky?
Blindly be in line with every move this team makes, let us know when you want to say we w're right.
Where is an evidence of that?
or they did the right homework especially for a bottom of the league team?
Our talent level is at the bottom of the league with massive holes at critical spots. The move would have been to do the homework on younger NFL players and not overpay for this type of player/age/position.
$23 million guaranteed for a limited slot WR? I can't buy into that.
Regardless of who plays QB it helps to have weapons. Tate for 2 years around 11.5m/per by guaranteed money seems like a fine move unless he literally goes over the hill quickly.
It's a deep WR draft, grab a deep threat with speed to compete with Coleman (and maybe Latimer) in camp. Let Engram, Shepard, Tate, Barkley work the middle of the field and keep the chains moving.
Good post. I was just asking above if Diggs & Thielen were considered 2 slots for the same reason. That aside from the Amendola / Edelman comp if not Gronk / AH at TE (tho agreed, it's tough to 'do what NE does' tho I always think it's best to use the ideal as reference if not strive for it anyway)
And as you said if it's a deep WR draft, I heard we have picks...
A guy who catches the ball 90 times a year can lose plenty of defenders