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JoeyBigBlue : 3/14/2019 4:40 pm
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RE: You guys do realize  
madeinstars : 3/14/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14337999 adambear said:
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we traded away a HOF caliber player for 50 cents on the dollar to overpay an aging slot receiver?


Nah, but see, Tate is a real player. A hard-nosed no nonsense bring your lunch pail to work professional and team mate.

Never mind he got thrown out of Seattle for fucking his QB's wife and breaking his teammates face.
200k per reception?  
ryanmkeane : 3/14/2019 6:39 pm : link
what the fucking are you guys talking about. Tate made 6M last year. He caught 74 balls. And was on pace for 90+ before he was dealt to the Eagles.

This place is a shitshow.
the Eagles gave up a 3rd round pick for him 6 months ago  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 6:39 pm : link
depending on how the contract is structured if we own all the guarantees he could be a very tradeable player over the next couple years. Or if he plays well, we could, you know, try to win football games while rebuilding the real way, through the draft.

or we can just not spend the money available under the cap and resign Bennie Fowler.
RE: 200k per reception?  
Amtoft : 3/14/2019 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14338009 ryanmkeane said:
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what the fucking are you guys talking about. Tate made 6M last year. He caught 74 balls. And was on pace for 90+ before he was dealt to the Eagles.

This place is a shitshow.


It is like idiot double down on more idiocy. Just throwing things out there. Golden Tate is 87 years old and didn't even play the last 100 years yet we are paying him 1 billion dollars. Next person... so right he was 90 years old and 2 billion is to much!
This seems to be a very good year to draft 2 solid WRs  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/14/2019 6:41 pm : link
with our picks from 95 through 143. Lots of quality depth at WR. I wouldn't worry too much about bringing in Tate for a couple or more seasons.
and  
Amtoft : 3/14/2019 6:42 pm : link
now we got a second GOLDEN!
RE: RE: You guys do realize  
bw in dc : 3/14/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14338008 madeinstars said:
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we traded away a HOF caliber player for 50 cents on the dollar to overpay an aging slot receiver?



Nah, but see, Tate is a real player. A hard-nosed no nonsense bring your lunch pail to work professional and team mate.

Never mind he got thrown out of Seattle for fucking his QB's wife and breaking his teammates face.


I thought Harvin punched out Tate?
RE: RE: RE: You guys do realize  
Amtoft : 3/14/2019 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14338019 bw in dc said:
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we traded away a HOF caliber player for 50 cents on the dollar to overpay an aging slot receiver?



Nah, but see, Tate is a real player. A hard-nosed no nonsense bring your lunch pail to work professional and team mate.

Never mind he got thrown out of Seattle for fucking his QB's wife and breaking his teammates face.



I thought Harvin punched out Tate?


Facts don't matter anymore here.
This doesn't really mean anything re:  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 6:47 pm : link
Shepard. Does it?

Would you think a 31 year old wr is the replacement for a guy heading for his second contract.

Really like this signing. Very productive and mentally tough.
Like him  
SomeFan : 3/14/2019 6:48 pm : link
tough player, clutch
RE: the Eagles gave up a 3rd round pick for him 6 months ago  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14338010 Eric on Li said:
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depending on how the contract is structured if we own all the guarantees he could be a very tradeable player over the next couple years. Or if he plays well, we could, you know, try to win football games while rebuilding the real way, through the draft.

or we can just not spend the money available under the cap and resign Bennie Fowler.


The Steelers got a 3 and a 5 for a much better player in Antonio Brown. What’s a 33 year old Golden Tate going to fetch?
RE: RE: RE: RE: You guys do realize  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 6:50 pm : link
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we traded away a HOF caliber player for 50 cents on the dollar to overpay an aging slot receiver?



Nah, but see, Tate is a real player. A hard-nosed no nonsense bring your lunch pail to work professional and team mate.

Never mind he got thrown out of Seattle for fucking his QB's wife and breaking his teammates face.



I thought Harvin punched out Tate?



Facts don't matter anymore here.


I actually laughed at this post... because it's sadly true. It's like people just make shit up and run with it until someone lets them know it's completely wrong.
You're right  
madeinstars : 3/14/2019 6:57 pm : link
I will apologize for being wrong on that count!
RE: RE: the Eagles gave up a 3rd round pick for him 6 months ago  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 6:57 pm : link
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depending on how the contract is structured if we own all the guarantees he could be a very tradeable player over the next couple years. Or if he plays well, we could, you know, try to win football games while rebuilding the real way, through the draft.

or we can just not spend the money available under the cap and resign Bennie Fowler.



The Steelers got a 3 and a 5 for a much better player in Antonio Brown. What’s a 33 year old Golden Tate going to fetch?


He's aged quicker than I expected.
I mean  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 6:58 pm : link
I doubt Harvin punched him for no reason, but hey he hasn’t sat down with BBI arch nemesis Josina Anderson yet.
RE: RE: RE: the Eagles gave up a 3rd round pick for him 6 months ago  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 6:59 pm : link
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depending on how the contract is structured if we own all the guarantees he could be a very tradeable player over the next couple years. Or if he plays well, we could, you know, try to win football games while rebuilding the real way, through the draft.

or we can just not spend the money available under the cap and resign Bennie Fowler.



The Steelers got a 3 and a 5 for a much better player in Antonio Brown. What’s a 33 year old Golden Tate going to fetch?



He's aged quicker than I expected.


He’s 31 when the season starts, you said traceable over the next couple of years. What’s your point?
He's a tough player  
allstarjim : 3/14/2019 7:00 pm : link
I've seen plenty of him. He's not a strict slot guy. He's not going to be much of a deep threat outside, though. Right now I suppose that would be more Latimer's role, and then we see what we get from the draft. But he and Shep are great blocking WRs, so this is going to help Saquon break some long ones.
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 7:01 pm : link
Latimer is a FA, Jim... we'd need to re-sign him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: the Eagles gave up a 3rd round pick for him 6 months ago  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 7:04 pm : link
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depending on how the contract is structured if we own all the guarantees he could be a very tradeable player over the next couple years. Or if he plays well, we could, you know, try to win football games while rebuilding the real way, through the draft.

or we can just not spend the money available under the cap and resign Bennie Fowler.



The Steelers got a 3 and a 5 for a much better player in Antonio Brown. What’s a 33 year old Golden Tate going to fetch?



He's aged quicker than I expected.



He’s 31 when the season starts, you said traceable over the next couple of years. What’s your point?


I suppose it's that 31 and 32 come before 33.

Either way I doubt Gettleman signed him just to trade him.
RE: Tate is a good signing  
Stan in LA : 3/14/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14337680 Sammo85 said:
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He’s a veteran and solid mentor. He’ll be a good example for Barkley and any WR we draft. I think he’ll also be a help to Engram.

He will be productive too for at least a couple seasons.

Spot on.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the Eagles gave up a 3rd round pick for him 6 months ago  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 7:07 pm : link
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depending on how the contract is structured if we own all the guarantees he could be a very tradeable player over the next couple years. Or if he plays well, we could, you know, try to win football games while rebuilding the real way, through the draft.

or we can just not spend the money available under the cap and resign Bennie Fowler.



The Steelers got a 3 and a 5 for a much better player in Antonio Brown. What’s a 33 year old Golden Tate going to fetch?



He's aged quicker than I expected.



He’s 31 when the season starts, you said traceable over the next couple of years. What’s your point?



I suppose it's that 31 and 32 come before 33.

Either way I doubt Gettleman signed him just to trade him.


Well they aren't trading Golden Tate next year, so what does a 32 or 33 year old get you - since you want to be snide.
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allstarjim : 3/14/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14338129 arcarsenal said:
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Latimer is a FA, Jim... we'd need to re-sign him.


For some reason I thought they had tendered him. I guess not. I'd like to see him back.
Suprise  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/14/2019 7:09 pm : link
This team is going to surprise many pundits this year. They are going to run the ball, stop the run and hit some big plays on play action with solid specials. Defense is going to be hungry, aggressive and I think Betcher is going to love coaching them and the players are going to lay it out for them with growing pains.

I was a little down on Shurmer early in the season. He kept them together, they got better and he is growing and understands NFC East football and the what made the Giants the Giants when they were good. Let's hope for the best and nice to see the GM and HC with a shared vision. Be patient, we are making progress.

This signing continues to show they want tough football players.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the Eagles gave up a 3rd round pick for him 6 months ago  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 7:16 pm : link
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depending on how the contract is structured if we own all the guarantees he could be a very tradeable player over the next couple years. Or if he plays well, we could, you know, try to win football games while rebuilding the real way, through the draft.

or we can just not spend the money available under the cap and resign Bennie Fowler.



The Steelers got a 3 and a 5 for a much better player in Antonio Brown. What’s a 33 year old Golden Tate going to fetch?



He's aged quicker than I expected.



He’s 31 when the season starts, you said traceable over the next couple of years. What’s your point?



I suppose it's that 31 and 32 come before 33.

Either way I doubt Gettleman signed him just to trade him.



Well they aren't trading Golden Tate next year, so what does a 32 or 33 year old get you - since you want to be snide.


Who says they won't trade him this year? If they're willing to trade Beckham 6 months after signing him I'd imagine anyone is on the table if circumstances make sense.

If the team is as bad as everyone thinks I'd imagine all veterans will be available at the deadline just like this year. Both Goldens included. That's why I think there's value in spending money on veterans even if the team isn't going anywhere this year. You may be able to turn them into BJ Hill. Or Kevin Zeitler. Or a 3rd/4th/5th rd pick. Which was the point of the first post you snidely responded too.
When's the next  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 7:16 pm : link
Kool Aide drinking in East Rutherford
RE: When's the next  
Amtoft : 3/14/2019 7:17 pm : link
In comment 14338200 ajr2456 said:
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Kool Aide drinking in East Rutherford


what does it matter... you aren't invited.
Because signing Golden Tate  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 7:19 pm : link
to $23 million guaranteed makes absolute zero sense if you would trade him mid way through the year.

So you're going to choose to further rebuild during the year? Why not just sign a young cheaper guy who at least as upside?
RE: Because signing Golden Tate  
Amtoft : 3/14/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14338219 ajr2456 said:
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to $23 million guaranteed makes absolute zero sense if you would trade him mid way through the year.

So you're going to choose to further rebuild during the year? Why not just sign a young cheaper guy who at least as upside?


he won't be getting traded for two years so stop it.
RE: RE: Because signing Golden Tate  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 7:28 pm : link
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to $23 million guaranteed makes absolute zero sense if you would trade him mid way through the year.

So you're going to choose to further rebuild during the year? Why not just sign a young cheaper guy who at least as upside?



he won't be getting traded for two years so stop it.


I wasn't the one who said that so...
RE: Because signing Golden Tate  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14338219 ajr2456 said:
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to $23 million guaranteed makes absolute zero sense if you would trade him mid way through the year.

So you're going to choose to further rebuild during the year? Why not just sign a young cheaper guy who at least as upside?


They have (correctly) chosen to rebuild since the deadline last year. Unless they surprisingly compete this season I don't expect them to turn down draft picks for veterans if the opportunity arrises. If there were younger guys available who actually had more upside than golden tate, you can bet they wouldn't be cheaper.
RE: When's the next  
arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14338200 ajr2456 said:
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Kool Aide drinking in East Rutherford


Do posts like this make you feel like you're blowing off steam or something? I don't really get it. It's the same sarcastic, everything sucks post in 500 different ways.

We get it - you don't like what they're doing.

If you have nothing else to add, maybe go pollute other threads instead.
think Tate signing  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 7:35 pm : link
is very good for Shepard and hopefully Coleman. He's a football schoar, a real veteran leader of wr corps.
RE: Because signing Golden Tate  
bw in dc : 3/14/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14338219 ajr2456 said:
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to $23 million guaranteed makes absolute zero sense if you would trade him mid way through the year.

So you're going to choose to further rebuild during the year? Why not just sign a young cheaper guy who at least as upside?


Okay, I’ll play. Who?
RE: think Tate signing  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14338279 bc4life said:
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is very good for Shepard and hopefully Coleman. He's a football schoar, a real veteran leader of wr corps.


The best thing it does for Coleman (and Latimer if he comes back) is allows them to focus on downfield routes. Tate and Shepard can work the middle, Barkley too out of the backfield, Engram and Ellison down the seams.

Then let Coleman use his speed to take the top off the D. hopefully find an explosive rookie in the mid rounds too.
This is like joining a ESPN Fantasy Team league draft  
Jimmy Googs : 3/14/2019 7:40 pm : link
and wanting to start over after a few rounds...
RE: This is like joining a ESPN Fantasy Team league draft  
Amtoft : 3/14/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14338297 Jimmy Googs said:
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and wanting to start over after a few rounds...


wait you can do that?
RE: RE: When's the next  
Brown Recluse : 3/14/2019 7:45 pm : link
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Kool Aide drinking in East Rutherford



Do posts like this make you feel like you're blowing off steam or something? I don't really get it. It's the same sarcastic, everything sucks post in 500 different ways.

We get it - you don't like what they're doing.

If you have nothing else to add, maybe go pollute other threads instead.


This is all he does. He did the same thing last offseason when the Giants hurt his feelings and didnt draft a QB. He must have been emotionslly scarred because he bitched about it endlessly. Apparently those wounds run deep.
RE: RE: This is like joining a ESPN Fantasy Team league draft  
Jimmy Googs : 3/14/2019 7:46 pm : link
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and wanting to start over after a few rounds...



wait you can do that?


Well, you just join the next league 5 minutes later and ignore that first team.

So in connection with the Giants, just start watching again in Sept 2020...
RE: RE: RE: You guys are bunch of bitches!!!  
Hsilwek92 : 3/14/2019 7:54 pm : link
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Shepard isn’t reliable? JFC.

Guess we are at the point now where people will just post absolute bullshit nonsense to prove their dumbass fucking take.



Shep had 1 or 2 balls go off his finger tips last year.


The hardly makes him ‘unreliable’

He caught 66 balls, had 800+ yards and 4 TDs last year.

So, again, it was an asinine, dumbass fucking statement.
RE: RE: Because signing Golden Tate  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 7:59 pm : link
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to $23 million guaranteed makes absolute zero sense if you would trade him mid way through the year.

So you're going to choose to further rebuild during the year? Why not just sign a young cheaper guy who at least as upside?



Okay, I’ll play. Who?


This was in response to Eric saying if they suck they can trade Tate, but I'll play.

Jamison Crowder, 25 more upside long term than Golden Tate
Adam Humpries, 26 more upside long term than Golden Tate

Both got less money and less guarantees and there is at least a chance one of those players could contribute at what will be considered a bargain when the Giants are ready to compete. Golden Tate won't be here when they are ready to compete.
RE: RE: RE: When's the next  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 8:01 pm : link
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Kool Aide drinking in East Rutherford



Do posts like this make you feel like you're blowing off steam or something? I don't really get it. It's the same sarcastic, everything sucks post in 500 different ways.

We get it - you don't like what they're doing.

If you have nothing else to add, maybe go pollute other threads instead.



This is all he does. He did the same thing last offseason when the Giants hurt his feelings and didnt draft a QB. He must have been emotionslly scarred because he bitched about it endlessly. Apparently those wounds run deep.


Oh please. I complimented most of last years draft picks and their performance last year. I complimented the Zeitler portion of the trade. Sorry this team is floating around with no discernible plan.
ajr2456  
bc4life : 3/14/2019 8:02 pm : link
he will provide great veteran leadership to a young wr corps. when's the last time they had that?
RE: RE: RE: Because signing Golden Tate  
Amtoft : 3/14/2019 8:04 pm : link
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to $23 million guaranteed makes absolute zero sense if you would trade him mid way through the year.

So you're going to choose to further rebuild during the year? Why not just sign a young cheaper guy who at least as upside?



Okay, I’ll play. Who?



This was in response to Eric saying if they suck they can trade Tate, but I'll play.

Jamison Crowder, 25 more upside long term than Golden Tate
Adam Humpries, 26 more upside long term than Golden Tate

Both got less money and less guarantees and there is at least a chance one of those players could contribute at what will be considered a bargain when the Giants are ready to compete. Golden Tate won't be here when they are ready to compete.


Neither are as good as Golden Tate and they both got about the same amount of money. As for the guarantee again that doesn't matter at all. The only thing that matters is the signing bonus which was 10 million for Humphries... meaning after two years it is a 5 million dollar cap hit to cut. So again until you know signing bonus guarantee means nothing. Crowder same thing who is getting 9.5 million a year!
First off  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 8:09 pm : link
"great veteran leadership for the position group" is one of the most cliche and overblown things football fans and front offices say. That's the same reason we wasted money on Stewart.

Second,

Humpries and Crowder being better than Tate now is irrelevant because the Giants aren't going to be good this year. All three players will likely be cuttable after 2 years, but there's a chance Humphries and Crowder are still good in 2 years and can be a bargain WR option when they are ready to compete.

Signing Golden Tate was a short term move, this team should be making long term moves.
Preferring Crowder to Tate is fair  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 8:09 pm : link
knocking 1 as a bad move and 1 as a good move is odd since they're extremely similar players and their 1 main difference (age) isn't much of a factor since they are short term deals.

I'd have been happy with either player, not sure which I'd prefer. I like Tate's leadership and I think he's been a more productive player. I like Crowder's special teams ability and that he's got a little more explosiveness.
RE: First off  
Amtoft : 3/14/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14338369 ajr2456 said:
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"great veteran leadership for the position group" is one of the most cliche and overblown things football fans and front offices say. That's the same reason we wasted money on Stewart.

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Humpries and Crowder being better than Tate now is irrelevant because the Giants aren't going to be good this year. All three players will likely be cuttable after 2 years, but there's a chance Humphries and Crowder are still good in 2 years and can be a bargain WR option when they are ready to compete.

Signing Golden Tate was a short term move, this team should be making long term moves.


Well A) You don't think being better is important good to know. I mean if you think Golden Tate is over paid and they aren't as good they wouldn't that make them extremely over paid? B) They signed before we actually were able to trade OBJ soooo were they options?

There is no such thing as long term in the NFL now. Wake up.
Never ceases to amaze me how people constantly assume  
Brown Recluse : 3/14/2019 8:15 pm : link
that:

1. Because a player you like is available to be signed, they will choose your team

2. Because a player you like chose to sign with another team, doesnt mean your team didnt inquire about them as well
Factoring in age isn't odd  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 8:16 pm : link
when in three years, likely when this team has a shot at competing one will be 29 and the other 34. There's more potential upside to having Crowder in the final year of his deal in 2021, hopefully in year three of our new QB than Golden Tate who is probably cut after year two.

Golden Tate is a very good player. Golden Tate also probably should have taken the Patriots offer if the rumors of them wanting him was true. Golden Tate on the Giants is a short term move to try to be a competitive team next year. If Graziano's reports are true they're essentially running it back with the same plan as last year, just without Odell - and that's troubling.

I pay for season tickets, I don't want the Giants to suck. I don't want to watch the Cowboys and Eagles battle for the division while we struggle. Despite what it may seem like I'm not rooting against the Giants. I'm over taking the wait and see approach for a front office who hasn't given any reason to trust them the last two years or an ownership group who hasn't given a reason the last seven years to trust them.
RE: RE: First off  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14338373 Amtoft said:
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"great veteran leadership for the position group" is one of the most cliche and overblown things football fans and front offices say. That's the same reason we wasted money on Stewart.

Second,

Humpries and Crowder being better than Tate now is irrelevant because the Giants aren't going to be good this year. All three players will likely be cuttable after 2 years, but there's a chance Humphries and Crowder are still good in 2 years and can be a bargain WR option when they are ready to compete.

Signing Golden Tate was a short term move, this team should be making long term moves.



Well A) You don't think being better is important good to know. I mean if you think Golden Tate is over paid and they aren't as good they wouldn't that make them extremely over paid? B) They signed before we actually were able to trade OBJ soooo were they options?

There is no such thing as long term in the NFL now. Wake up.


If you wake up and connect the dots that Odell trade didn't just come out of nowhere. They probably had discussed it for a while and it likely led to them being ok with letting Collins walk with no tag.

Golden Tate isn't over paid for Golden Tate, he's just not a right fit for a rebuilding team - if we even are one.
23 million guaranteed  
ij_reilly : 3/14/2019 8:19 pm : link
I don't like that.

I understand this is the kind of guy they want on the team, but he is way on the downside of his career.

We need a RT and C, and soon.
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