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The OBJ trade and what the Giants really got.

mdthedream : 3/14/2019 5:08 pm
so you could say that the Giants traded obj for a first,3rd and a move up to the 4th, Peppers and Tate.
Not  
mdthedream : 3/14/2019 5:09 pm : link
bad at all.
Look to the draft.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/14/2019 5:10 pm : link
Thatís where DG will shine, imo
What we really got....  
Tesla : 3/14/2019 5:10 pm : link
was taken to the cleaners.
RE: What we really got....  
BigBlue22 : 3/14/2019 5:12 pm : link
In comment 14337585 Tesla said:
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was taken to the cleaners.


you crazy!
A move up to the 4th?  
Mr. Bungle : 3/14/2019 5:13 pm : link
What?
Well the roster may suck  
Mike from Ohio : 3/14/2019 5:13 pm : link
But players are going to think twice about talking to Lil Wayne, and that is what really matters here. Life lessons.
The  
mdthedream : 3/14/2019 5:14 pm : link
Vernon part that got moved
RE: A move up to the 4th?  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/14/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14337605 Mr. Bungle said:
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What?


They flipped the other pick in the Vernon deal. But the third round pick may as well be in the 4th, since its the last pick in that round, but whatever.

And Golden Tate would be there regardless of trading Beckham, but of course we wouldn't have needed him.
RE: A move up to the 4th?  
section125 : 3/14/2019 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14337605 Mr. Bungle said:
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What?


In the Zeitler/Vernon trade Cleve got our 4th and we got their 5th. In the OBJ trade we swapped those two picks, so we got our 4th back and they took the 5th back.
Yes  
mdthedream : 3/14/2019 5:15 pm : link
but when your trading you have to think this way. If you get said pick for a player who can I buy instead.
Hell kind of like  
mdthedream : 3/14/2019 5:17 pm : link
trading Collins the Giants could have gotten a draft pick than sign a free agent safety.
Well actually it also includes  
montanagiant : 3/14/2019 5:18 pm : link
Getting Zeitler
Giving Vernon
and additional 5M cap space money
I think we  
mdthedream : 3/14/2019 5:20 pm : link
did really well.
OBJ  
stretch234 : 3/14/2019 5:53 pm : link
I think now you have tie Vernon in with this

I did not want to see OBJ go - he is a tremendous player. However, if it was determined they could not live with him they got a 1, 3 and a 1st rd player. Add that to Vernon for Zeitler

Cle got the best player but the Giants did get capital

What I now don't want to see if a trade moving up using 2-3 of those high picks to get Haskins

Get some defense and another OL on 1st 3 picks and move on

Letís not forget the real reason OBJ was traded.  
Spider56 : 3/14/2019 6:13 pm : link
We got rid of a PITA DIVA who showed no signs of growing up. This in itself will be the biggest gain from the trade.
also add that because of us the  
chuckydee9 : 3/14/2019 6:40 pm : link
Eagles will get a 4th rd pick.. also add the dead money from the OBJ trade.. Also remember to add that Tate who already looked super slow in the second half of the year will be here for at least 2-4 more years.. Jesus christ people here are such homers.. you can't possibly be convinced that this was a good signing.
RE: also add that because of us the  
montanagiant : 3/14/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14338012 chuckydee9 said:
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Eagles will get a 4th rd pick.. also add the dead money from the OBJ trade.. Also remember to add that Tate who already looked super slow in the second half of the year will be here for at least 2-4 more years.. Jesus christ people here are such homers.. you can't possibly be convinced that this was a good signing.

Well you can counter that with now having 120M in cap space next year so there's that
You have to likely take away the third rounder  
Vanzetti : 3/14/2019 7:43 pm : link
Because Giants will likely lose a third round comp for Collins because of the Tate signing

So, it is really Tate, Peppers and a first rounder for Odell.
Plus, Giants will have 10+ million more in 2020-2 in cap space
RE: You have to likely take away the third rounder  
montanagiant : 3/14/2019 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14338308 Vanzetti said:
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Because Giants will likely lose a third round comp for Collins because of the Tate signing

So, it is really Tate, Peppers and a first rounder for Odell.
Plus, Giants will have 10+ million more in 2020-2 in cap space

Tate cancelled out the 5th rounder we were going to get for Brown
why do I get the feeling  
bluepepper : 3/14/2019 7:46 pm : link
that by the time all is said and done people will be claiming we got like 15 guys for OBJ. Whatever makes you feel better about the trade I guess.
Yeah, I don't think you should count any compensatory draft picks...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/14/2019 7:59 pm : link
but I do think it's fair to consider the FA's signed because of the freed up cap, although eventually you should consider the net effect on the cap once that's known.

Trade:
Beckham

Get:
2019 1st
2019 3rd
2019 5th to 4th
Peppers
$5MM cap space in 2019

Trade:
Vernon
2019 4th to 5th

Get:
Zeitler
$1.5MM cap space in 2019

Combined Moves:

Trade:
OBJ & Vernon

Get:
1st, 3rd, Zeitler, Peppers $6.5MM discount in 2019 dollars towards replacements Tate & Golden.

Analysis:

Losing 1 unreplaceable player (OBJ) 1 talented but regularly injured and expensive EDGE defender and however many dollars in cap space

Gaining 2 highly coveted players at a position of high need (RG Zeitler and S Peppers), a talented end of career WR (Tate), a talented but coming off injury EDGE defender (Golden), and extra first and third round picks.

Seems to me like these trades are working out to wins overall for the Giants, as much as I hate seeing OBJ leave.

Wonder how much more there is in store for this team in FA.


I really thought from the rumors yesterday we were going to hear something crazy like Eli cut and a trade for Stafford/Wilson/Mariota/Carr or something like that. Then the reports about the time spent with Murray yesterday and I thought we might here about a trade up with AZ to #1.

We had this cap space and needed another wide receiver anyway  
MM_in_NYC : 3/14/2019 10:40 pm : link
...
Pretty much nothing changed  
Foobarbaz : 3/15/2019 6:54 am : link
Other then trading our star players for guys way worse
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