One of the secrets of the Pats' success is that their players are often hungry for the next contract. Other teams pay for the success that benefits that Pats, and they get the comp pick when the guy leaves.
In this CBA it's a good idea to keep the team as close to a year to year operation as possible.
Good point. Thanks for sharing the Belichick podcast bit the other day. Great listen.
No sweat. The guy is a genius.
Every time I think about Belichick and how he runs the Patriots, I wonder if the best way to structure your roster is to have 53 players all on 1 year contracts each earning 1/53 of the salary cap. Winning in the NFL is about coaching, culture, and injury luck; once you get to the NFL level the talent is tight enough that 53 coachable guys will perform better than 53 more talented but less coachable guys.
The key is to have the coaching staff in place. I don't believe the Giants do right now.
One of the secrets of the Pats' success is that their players are often hungry for the next contract. Other teams pay for the success that benefits that Pats, and they get the comp pick when the guy leaves.
In this CBA it's a good idea to keep the team as close to a year to year operation as possible.
I could be wrong but I remember Phil Rizzuto saying players should be on one year contracts. He was talking about MLB but the logic is basically the same.
Just when I think you couldn’t be any dumber Gettleman Â
this FO does? the emotional cycles on the site and the animosity has almost become unbearable. agree with signing of defensive Golden, wait to see about offensive Golden.
Hope to see a”kindler and gentler” bbi to say nothing of wiser.
I don't think Markus Golden signifies that they have a plan.
One of the secrets of the Pats' success is that their players are often hungry for the next contract. Other teams pay for the success that benefits that Pats, and they get the comp pick when the guy leaves.
In this CBA it's a good idea to keep the team as close to a year to year operation as possible.
I could be wrong but I remember Phil Rizzuto saying players should be on one year contracts. He was talking about MLB but the logic is basically the same.
Actually it was charlie Finley, the infamous owner of the 70's A's.
IMO as much hand-wringing as we do over specific picks being right or wrong, it seems their success depends much more on usage and individual development. I too am not sure if NYG has that in place, but then I'd say until TC won the SB most were as uncertain
It helps if that person has control of personnel or is in harmony with the FO. But consistently being able to get the most out of whatever you have thru usage and talent development you'd think is way more impactful than just draft or FA strategy both short & long term
All much easier said than done no matter the situation of course
First thing that we did this off season that I actually don't question. jtgiants said there was another defensive guy we're going after, right?
Same. First move this offseason that doesn't completely suck. 2016 was his last really good year, though. Still, on a one year deal, I like it. He'll be motivated, and it's not like he's good enough to cost us anything.
Skipping a great front 7 player (likely drop this year) at 6,17 or 37 to slightly reach for a medium quality tackle or simply decent or possibility at wr at those spots.
Even if such is, would be, a push ....any other year. Because of the likely hood of that sort of drop this draft. I.e. greats on D front 7 and the benefit of many such on a team.
Which (normal valued OT or wr) would not be an example of clear thinking in such a case.
he's had 2 down years, 1 injured, 1 in a new scheme. Now he goes back to his old scheme and if he puts up a healthy + productive season he'll likely get at least double the guaranteed money he would have gotten this year. Maybe triple.
Obviously Tate isn't as good as Beckham, but Zeitler is better than Brown and we're probably somewhat stronger at safety. So, all in all, we're about the same, talent wise, as we were in December. But we're in better cap shape over the long hall and we have a couple of extra picks.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
RE: What we seem to have done so far is replace players that we lost. Â
Obviously Tate isn't as good as Beckham, but Zeitler is better than Brown and we're probably somewhat stronger at safety. So, all in all, we're about the same, talent wise, as we were in December. But we're in better cap shape over the long hall and we have a couple of extra picks.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
Same. To me the most odd thing is that for years there has been consensus they were delusional trying to compete and needed to rebuild. What do they think that looks like? Cutting old players does nothing to add talent. Getting more high draft picks does. And you don't usually get high draft picks for bad players, you have to give up good ones.
RE: What we seem to have done so far is replace players that we lost. Â
Obviously Tate isn't as good as Beckham, but Zeitler is better than Brown and we're probably somewhat stronger at safety. So, all in all, we're about the same, talent wise, as we were in December. But we're in better cap shape over the long hall and we have a couple of extra picks.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
+1
RE: What we seem to have done so far is replace players that we lost. Â
Obviously Tate isn't as good as Beckham, but Zeitler is better than Brown and we're probably somewhat stronger at safety. So, all in all, we're about the same, talent wise, as we were in December. But we're in better cap shape over the long hall and we have a couple of extra picks.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
Exactly right... And good reason to be excited about the draft... The pessimism on this site is truly beyond belief... Who needs enemies with friends like this!!
With Remmers and perhaps one more free agent on defense, the Giants will head into the draft with more promise than they have had in years. As stated elsewhere, the best players available in the draft are clearly on defense... I am confident Gettleman will ruthlessly stick to best player available drafting... If so, we will have our "Barkley" on defense (Allen, Gary, Sweat etc) and then add several additional immediate starters depending on how the chips fall.
There was no easy way to excise the lost decade of abysmal drafting and abominable management of talent... progress is painful...
Skipping a great front 7 player (likely drop this year) at 6,17 or 37 to slightly reach for a medium quality tackle or simply decent or possibility at wr at those spots....
He has only a 1 year deal. If he has a very good year, the Giants may not want to re-sign him for big bucks.
Obviously Tate isn't as good as Beckham, but Zeitler is better than Brown and we're probably somewhat stronger at safety. So, all in all, we're about the same, talent wise, as we were in December. But we're in better cap shape over the long hall and we have a couple of extra picks.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
I think people are ignoring some of the common traits these guys possess. Markus Golden is a phenomenal teammate, a guy with a relentless work ethic. Tore his ACL and talked about it making him work even harder. Golden Tate is another lunch pail guy. Straight up grinder.
They are going for players they deem fits for the culture they desire. I know the culture word triggers people around here, i'm not trying to piss people off...but thats the very common trait i see through the draft and free agency.
The Giants are going for that non flashy but highly effective style of play. In some ways similar to the Patriots. Some call it boring - it can be. When done right, its beautiful. Solid fundamentals and wearing teams down over a game.
Obviously Tate isn't as good as Beckham, but Zeitler is better than Brown and we're probably somewhat stronger at safety. So, all in all, we're about the same, talent wise, as we were in December. But we're in better cap shape over the long hall and we have a couple of extra picks.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
I think people are ignoring some of the common traits these guys possess. Markus Golden is a phenomenal teammate, a guy with a relentless work ethic. Tore his ACL and talked about it making him work even harder. Golden Tate is another lunch pail guy. Straight up grinder.
They are going for players they deem fits for the culture they desire. I know the culture word triggers people around here, i'm not trying to piss people off...but thats the very common trait i see through the draft and free agency.
The Giants are going for that non flashy but highly effective style of play. In some ways similar to the Patriots. Some call it boring - it can be. When done right, its beautiful. Solid fundamentals and wearing teams down over a game.
Key phrase - when done right.
This stuff matters. There's going to be a ton of pushback on this shit because of Stewart and the Captain America strategy Reese came out of nowhere with a few years ago - but the culture does matter.
Talent will win you many football games - but structure is key.
signing. He has a lot of talent if he's recovered. He'll be eager to do well and become a FA next year. And if he leaves, we might get a comp pick in 2021.
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One of the secrets of the Pats' success is that their players are often hungry for the next contract. Other teams pay for the success that benefits that Pats, and they get the comp pick when the guy leaves.
In this CBA it's a good idea to keep the team as close to a year to year operation as possible.
Good point. Thanks for sharing the Belichick podcast bit the other day. Great listen.
No sweat. The guy is a genius.
Every time I think about Belichick and how he runs the Patriots, I wonder if the best way to structure your roster is to have 53 players all on 1 year contracts each earning 1/53 of the salary cap. Winning in the NFL is about coaching, culture, and injury luck; once you get to the NFL level the talent is tight enough that 53 coachable guys will perform better than 53 more talented but less coachable guys.
The key is to have the coaching staff in place. I don't believe the Giants do right now.
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A Golden day.
Indeed, we have been showered with Goldens.
Better than Golden Showers...
In this CBA it's a good idea to keep the team as close to a year to year operation as possible.
I could be wrong but I remember Phil Rizzuto saying players should be on one year contracts. He was talking about MLB but the logic is basically the same.
Hope to see a”kindler and gentler” bbi to say nothing of wiser.
I don't think Markus Golden signifies that they have a plan.
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One of the secrets of the Pats' success is that their players are often hungry for the next contract. Other teams pay for the success that benefits that Pats, and they get the comp pick when the guy leaves.
In this CBA it's a good idea to keep the team as close to a year to year operation as possible.
I could be wrong but I remember Phil Rizzuto saying players should be on one year contracts. He was talking about MLB but the logic is basically the same.
Actually it was charlie Finley, the infamous owner of the 70's A's.
Tate replaces Beckham (--)
Golden replaces Vernon (=)
Peppers replaces Collins (=)
Bethea replaces Riley (+)
It helps if that person has control of personnel or is in harmony with the FO. But consistently being able to get the most out of whatever you have thru usage and talent development you'd think is way more impactful than just draft or FA strategy both short & long term
All much easier said than done no matter the situation of course
Same. First move this offseason that doesn't completely suck. 2016 was his last really good year, though. Still, on a one year deal, I like it. He'll be motivated, and it's not like he's good enough to cost us anything.
Tate replaces Beckham (--)
Golden replaces Vernon (=)
Peppers replaces Collins (=)
Bethea replaces Riley (+)
Also:
1st rd draft picks (+)
3rd rd picks (++) (assuming the LC comp pick comes through)
They are trying to replace talent as best they can while adding as many draft picks as they can. I think it's a pretty basic but solid strategy.
The harder part is going to be getting the draft picks right but thankfully that was 1 thing the new regime did well last year.
With Tate's signing they're likely priced out. Still think they go here pretty high in the draft.
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Zeitler replaces Brown (++)
Tate replaces Beckham (--)
Golden replaces Vernon (=)
Peppers replaces Collins (=)
Bethea replaces Riley (+)
Also:
1st rd draft picks (+)
3rd rd picks (++) (assuming the LC comp pick comes through)
They are trying to replace talent as best they can while adding as many draft picks as they can. I think it's a pretty basic but solid strategy.
The harder part is going to be getting the draft picks right but thankfully that was 1 thing the new regime did well last year.
Peppers replaces Collins (+)
Medicals maybe?
Peppers is an upgrade over Collins
Golden should be an upgrade over Vernon
Nobody can replace OBJ on the field, but if we sign a tackle and and a corner I would say free agency was a success.
Even if such is, would be, a push ....any other year. Because of the likely hood of that sort of drop this draft. I.e. greats on D front 7 and the benefit of many such on a team.
Which (normal valued OT or wr) would not be an example of clear thinking in such a case.
Probably because off ACL prove it he makes all the way back
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
Same. To me the most odd thing is that for years there has been consensus they were delusional trying to compete and needed to rebuild. What do they think that looks like? Cutting old players does nothing to add talent. Getting more high draft picks does. And you don't usually get high draft picks for bad players, you have to give up good ones.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
+1
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
Exactly right... And good reason to be excited about the draft... The pessimism on this site is truly beyond belief... Who needs enemies with friends like this!!
With Remmers and perhaps one more free agent on defense, the Giants will head into the draft with more promise than they have had in years. As stated elsewhere, the best players available in the draft are clearly on defense... I am confident Gettleman will ruthlessly stick to best player available drafting... If so, we will have our "Barkley" on defense (Allen, Gary, Sweat etc) and then add several additional immediate starters depending on how the chips fall.
There was no easy way to excise the lost decade of abysmal drafting and abominable management of talent... progress is painful...
He has only a 1 year deal. If he has a very good year, the Giants may not want to re-sign him for big bucks.
If they could snag a good EDGE guy, they will.
The Beck's thing, I get it. Ok. Fine.
Safeties ..much improved so far. Good year to stockpile picks.
I'm still 100% on using first 3 or even first 4 picks on front 7 defenders. It's the market play.
That said, I could easily see us drafting front 3 even, first and second rounds, if the draft falls that way.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
I think people are ignoring some of the common traits these guys possess. Markus Golden is a phenomenal teammate, a guy with a relentless work ethic. Tore his ACL and talked about it making him work even harder. Golden Tate is another lunch pail guy. Straight up grinder.
They are going for players they deem fits for the culture they desire. I know the culture word triggers people around here, i'm not trying to piss people off...but thats the very common trait i see through the draft and free agency.
The Giants are going for that non flashy but highly effective style of play. In some ways similar to the Patriots. Some call it boring - it can be. When done right, its beautiful. Solid fundamentals and wearing teams down over a game.
Key phrase - when done right.
The Beck's thing, I get it. Ok. Fine.
Safeties ..much improved so far. Good year to stockpile picks.
I'm still 100% on using first 3 or even first 4 picks on front 7 defenders. It's the market play.
remeber you have lorenzo carter to who the giants love..
front 7 of carter, hill, timlinson, wynn, golden, goodson and ogletree is young and hungry...
I would like to add Houston as a vet in the linebacker room
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Obviously Tate isn't as good as Beckham, but Zeitler is better than Brown and we're probably somewhat stronger at safety. So, all in all, we're about the same, talent wise, as we were in December. But we're in better cap shape over the long hall and we have a couple of extra picks.
Keeping Beckham and Vernon and signing Collins to an expensive deal would have left us in a very weak financial position for the future. Now, we have a talent level similar to what we would have had if we played this the way everyone expected. DG is navigating free agency very intelligently. It makes me wonder how so many idiots in the media don't see this.
I think people are ignoring some of the common traits these guys possess. Markus Golden is a phenomenal teammate, a guy with a relentless work ethic. Tore his ACL and talked about it making him work even harder. Golden Tate is another lunch pail guy. Straight up grinder.
They are going for players they deem fits for the culture they desire. I know the culture word triggers people around here, i'm not trying to piss people off...but thats the very common trait i see through the draft and free agency.
The Giants are going for that non flashy but highly effective style of play. In some ways similar to the Patriots. Some call it boring - it can be. When done right, its beautiful. Solid fundamentals and wearing teams down over a game.
Key phrase - when done right.
This stuff matters. There's going to be a ton of pushback on this shit because of Stewart and the Captain America strategy Reese came out of nowhere with a few years ago - but the culture does matter.
Talent will win you many football games - but structure is key.
Carterolb, Pick#17, Ogletree, Wynnolb
Or
.....Pick#6,Hill,Tomlinson
Carter,#17,.........Ogletree,#37
Except Golden is shorter and more compact...