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Itís Great to be a NY Giants fan today (10 reasons why)

5BowlsSoon : 3/14/2019 7:10 pm
Wow have things improved for us in less than a week:

1. Peppers will be better than Collins and he costs us 13 M less off cap. That is huge!

2. Tate catches 90 or more per year and is never injured. Sure, Odell is slightly better because he catches more tds and can make unbelievable one handed catches, but Tate isnít too shabby and costs us about half of what we were to pay Odell

3. Zeitler is a beast and really solidifies our line

4. We wonít miss Vernon and we were probably going to drop him and get nothing back

5. We now have two first round picks, we now have a third round pick (we didnít have), and we got our fourth round pick back (while losing Cleve fifth)

6. We now have 12 draft picks

7. We saved 3.5 million trading Odell this year and a gob of money the following years

8. Iíve grown weary of all the off the field drama; hopefully this subsides

9. The additions of Golden and potentially Remmers makes us even more competitive and fills needs.

10. I donít believe we are done with FA either.

Bottom line: We are definitely trending upward. Wait till you see our draft picks. This place will be buzzing with enthusiasm
Things are improving slowly but surely  
Chris684 : 3/14/2019 7:13 pm : link
And based on the way we drafted last year, there is still a lot to look forward to in terms of the talent thatís going to be added.

Wrapping up this phase of talent acquisition with Remmers on a reasonable deal would be very solid.
You just had to  
joeinpa : 3/14/2019 7:13 pm : link
Tweak the O Dell guys didnít you.

I happen to agree, Giants are headed in right direction,
The proof is in the pudding  
The_Boss : 3/14/2019 7:14 pm : link
Letís see where we are next December.
Agree in principal  
DavidinBMNY : 3/14/2019 7:15 pm : link
but Tate doesn't compare to OBJ. Period.
Most importantly  
Giantology : 3/14/2019 7:16 pm : link
We got Eli!
RE: Agree in principal  
GiantGrit : 3/14/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14338196 DavidinBMNY said:
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but Tate doesn't compare to OBJ. Period.


I second this
See my replies.  
chuckydee9 : 3/14/2019 7:17 pm : link
Wow have things improved for us in less than a week:

1. Peppers will be better than Collins and he costs us 13 M less off cap. That is huge! - Great we just added 2 strong Safeties when we needed 1 FS

2. Tate catches 90 or more per year and is never injured. Sure, Odell is slightly better because he catches more tds and can make unbelievable one handed catches, but Tate isnít too shabby and costs us about half of what we were to pay Odell - Slightly Better? Odell averages 2nd most Yards per game in NFL history after Julio.. Tate?

3. Zeitler is a beast and really solidifies our line - Ok this was good

4. We wonít miss Vernon and we were probably going to drop him and get nothing back - He was our best DL.. our only DL that was applyin any pressure.. As you can see in FA, DL are not easy to find.. Guards are much easier

5. We now have two first round picks, we now have a third round pick (we didnít have), and we got our fourth round pick back (while losing Cleve fifth) - Draft experts say about 14-17 players are of first round quality in this draft.. BTW we already earned the 6th pick because we were out of competetion by Oct 1st in 2018..

6. We now have 12 draft picks - Good thing as Our new GM is good at draft picks

7. We saved 3.5 million trading Odell this year and a gob of money the following years - Did we add the money back from Tate's contract?

8. Iíve grown weary of all the off the field drama; hopefully this subsides - yes because pissing on the field like a dog is much worse than fucking your QB's wife.. or getting in fights in the locker room

9. The additions of Golden and potentially Remmers makes us even more competitive and fills needs. Lets load up on slot WR and TE.. No need to go outside the Hashmarks.. Remmer is a good signing BTW..

10. I donít believe we are done with FA either... Do we have any money left? Also we have too much money for next year.. will it be similar to our last FA spending spree? I look forward to old WR and RB joining this team..

Bottom line: We are definitely trending upward. Wait till you see our draft picks. This place will be buzzing with enthusiasm - Homerism
Giants = 8-9 wins and wildcard appearance!  
GiantsUA : 3/14/2019 7:17 pm : link
Book it!
What a difference a day makes  
Ira : 3/14/2019 7:18 pm : link
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RE: You just had to  
5BowlsSoon : 3/14/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14338183 joeinpa said:
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Tweak the O Dell guys didnít you.

I happen to agree, Giants are headed in right direction,


I was not disrespectful to Odell or to his fans...Just stating some facts that I think we all can agree is true. (Less drama, 3.5 M savings, and Tate is almost as productive minus the tds, but always healthy)
Lots of opinions/predictions in there.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/14/2019 7:19 pm : link
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Agree  
Lines of Scrimmage : 3/14/2019 7:21 pm : link
I see a lot of positive developments. Who cares if people from this site and the media see the negative.

This team is going to become a hard nosed team again. The last few years have been so depressing watching them bet pushed around. I really appreciate what DG is doing. He understands football and what made the Giants successful. I am almost certain that if he was made GM instead of Reese, Eli and TC would have had another Super Bowl.
Not s bad post  
UberAlias : 3/14/2019 7:21 pm : link
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I will still.hold judgement until the draft  
George from PA : 3/14/2019 7:22 pm : link
This is probably the most important draft this team has had in their history.

Personally, today doesnít negate the sting  
The_Boss : 3/14/2019 7:24 pm : link
Of DG losing the Odell trade. DG did OK today. Do I think we have the makings of a good team for 2019 right now? No I donít. And thatís a good think in my view because this thing really doesnít turn the corner until DG identifies and acquires Eliís replacement.
RE: Agree  
5BowlsSoon : 3/14/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14338226 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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I see a lot of positive developments. Who cares if people from this site and the media see the negative.

This team is going to become a hard nosed team again. The last few years have been so depressing watching them bet pushed around. I really appreciate what DG is doing. He understands football and what made the Giants successful. I am almost certain that if he was made GM instead of Reese, Eli and TC would have had another Super Bowl.


Absolutely mate!
Think about this....if we sign Remmers, we now have no serious liability on the OL. (Pulley or Halipio should do fine). And Wheeler becomes important depth.

We played pretty well without OBJ on offense last year so Iím thinking with the additions of these two OL guys plus Tate and keep your fingers crossed, an EE ready to bust loose.....wow, Iím drooling!

Gotta work on defense in the draft and perhaps the qb of our future.
RE: Personally, today doesnít negate the sting  
The_Boss : 3/14/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14338236 The_Boss said:
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Of DG losing the Odell trade. DG did OK today. Do I think we have the makings of a good team for 2019 right now? No I donít. And thatís a good think in my view because this thing really doesnít turn the corner until DG identifies and acquires Eliís replacement.


Good thing, not think.
why did we lose the OBJ trade?  
Jints in Carolina : 3/14/2019 7:26 pm : link
what the hell else did you want them to get?
RE: RE: You just had to  
chuckydee9 : 3/14/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14338216 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 14338183 joeinpa said:


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Tweak the O Dell guys didnít you.

I happen to agree, Giants are headed in right direction,



I was not disrespectful to Odell or to his fans...Just stating some facts that I think we all can agree is true. (Less drama, 3.5 M savings, and Tate is almost as productive minus the tds, but always healthy)


Golden Tate has 1k yard in only 3 of his 9 seasons.. despite always being healthy... OBj has more in just 5 seasons.. OBJ Yards per game 92.8. Golden Tate 52.7. OBJ 44 TD in 5 season .. Tate 38 in 9 seasons..
The way I see it  
GeorgeAdams33 : 3/14/2019 7:28 pm : link
Thinking back on the 2018 season Odell was used on a lot of short crossing routes where he'd come across the linebacker zones and try to get YAC. Golden Tate is tough coming across the middle. He could be as effective or more effective than OBJ was in this offense last year. He might be a better fit overall for what we are doing.
RE: Agree in principal  
clatterbuck : 3/14/2019 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14338196 DavidinBMNY said:
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but Tate doesn't compare to OBJ. Period.


+1
Zeitler = Top PASS blocking guard  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 7:32 pm : link
DG = says we're going run-heavy.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
RE: why did we lose the OBJ trade?  
The_Boss : 3/14/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14338243 Jints in Carolina said:
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what the hell else did you want them to get?


You think we won that trade? You think it was a draw?

DG got taken out to the woodshed.
RE: RE: Agree in principal  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14338262 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 14338196 DavidinBMNY said:


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but Tate doesn't compare to OBJ. Period.



+1


+2 Tate is a JAG.
To say Tate is a JAG  
5BowlsSoon : 3/14/2019 7:40 pm : link
Only shows your lack of football acumen. Itís not attractive....really!
You Probably Made Some Valid Points...  
Jim in Tampa : 3/14/2019 7:43 pm : link
But I stopped reading after, "Sure Odell is slightly better..." (than Tate).

I sincerely doubt there is even one NFL player, coach or scout who thinks that OBJ is only "slightly better" than Golden Tate.

Make whatever case you want. But don't be a homer. Tell the truth.
I Just Got This Via Email  
Aloha Alan : 3/14/2019 7:44 pm : link
and read it.

What is written in this thread is just the opposite of this crap-ass article.

While at work today I read how screwed up we are. How Dorsey porked (fleeced) Gettleman, and how our Management is the worst in the NFL.

On top of that it was written that we are the worst franchise in the NFL and should not expect anything for years.

Reading above and watching the signings and expecting great things in the draft, I say the hell with the naysayers and yes it looks like we have a plan.
Giants Have No Clue - ( New Window )
RE: RE: why did we lose the OBJ trade?  
Jints in Carolina : 3/14/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14338270 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14338243 Jints in Carolina said:


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what the hell else did you want them to get?



You think we won that trade? You think it was a draw?

DG got taken out to the woodshed.


You have absolutely no clue how this trade will pan out...NONE.
These draft picks better pan out as solid players  
Jimmy Googs : 3/14/2019 7:52 pm : link
for DG's sake. And a bunch of them damn well better be playing day 1 for PS's sake.

i wish us luck...
OBJ was a generational talent at wr, but he was an outrage almost  
plato : 3/14/2019 7:56 pm : link
everywhere else. DG was almost certainly told by Mara to move him after the ďurineĒincident or one of his later press conferences. DG moved him and got the best he could in return which is not awful but talent wise not equal. but giants may be able to overcome the talent loss in other ways. no one however can argue that Tate even approaches OBJ in talent or production.
the Giants however are transitioning from the Reese debacle to a franchise that will win by running and defense, and a shorter game by running the clock. In 2019 there will be far fewer games where Eli leaves field with lead and watchesGiants lose in closing minutes or Eli canít run the clock out with lead by getting first downs.
Does this translate into a super bowl winner in 2019? The odds are certainly stacked against that. But weíll see a much more competitive team, a better record, and perhaps with a couple of good bounces of the football, an appearance in the playoffs.
RE: RE: RE: why did we lose the OBJ trade?  
The_Boss : 3/14/2019 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14338321 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 14338270 The_Boss said:


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In comment 14338243 Jints in Carolina said:


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what the hell else did you want them to get?



You think we won that trade? You think it was a draw?

DG got taken out to the woodshed.



You have absolutely no clue how this trade will pan out...NONE.


So when equally astute posters here like JonC come out after me and say the the return was shit like I immediately said, do they not have a clue? What about the 99.9% of media analysts? He lost the trade. It is what it is. Jumping down my throat isnít going to make it better.
RE: Bravo AA  
5BowlsSoon : 3/14/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14338309 Aloha Alan said:
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and read it.

What is written in this thread is just the opposite of this crap-ass article.

While at work today I read how screwed up we are. How Dorsey porked (fleeced) Gettleman, and how our Management is the worst in the NFL.

On top of that it was written that we are the worst franchise in the NFL and should not expect anything for years.

Reading above and watching the signings and expecting great things in the draft, I say the hell with the naysayers and yes it looks like we have a plan. Giants Have No Clue - ( New Window )


Donít always believe everything these so called experts write. Most of them want to be controversial because that sells. In addition, people generally tend to lean toward negativity and to being impatient. And of course, many people are parrots....they just say what they believe someone smarter than them is saying. (Polly want a cracker....)

Last year was tough but any objective Giant fan can see the sky is not falling yet and at the very least is waiting till after the draft to analyze things, which includes our big trade this week. The guys who say we got fleeced without even waiting to see who we get with these 3 draft picks (1,3, 4 returned) arenít really that knowledgeable or understand how things work. Stay positive and upbeat....it is easier on the heart.
RE: RE: RE: RE: why did we lose the OBJ trade?  
Jints in Carolina : 3/14/2019 8:00 pm : link
In comment 14338340 The_Boss said:
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In comment 14338321 Jints in Carolina said:


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In comment 14338270 The_Boss said:


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In comment 14338243 Jints in Carolina said:


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what the hell else did you want them to get?



You think we won that trade? You think it was a draw?

DG got taken out to the woodshed.



You have absolutely no clue how this trade will pan out...NONE.



So when equally astute posters here like JonC come out after me and say the the return was shit like I immediately said, do they not have a clue? What about the 99.9% of media analysts? He lost the trade. It is what it is. Jumping down my throat isnít going to make it better.


No one jumped down your throat. This team was a mess. Give him a chance to clean it up.
RE: These draft picks better pan out as solid players  
ajr2456 : 3/14/2019 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14338332 Jimmy Googs said:
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for DG's sake. And a bunch of them damn well better be playing day 1 for PS's sake.

i wish us luck...


One of the picks has a 15% of being a starter so we'll need the luck.
RE: RE: Bravo AA  
Aloha Alan : 3/14/2019 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14338346 5BowlsSoon said:
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In comment 14338309 Aloha Alan said:


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and read it.

What is written in this thread is just the opposite of this crap-ass article.

While at work today I read how screwed up we are. How Dorsey porked (fleeced) Gettleman, and how our Management is the worst in the NFL.

On top of that it was written that we are the worst franchise in the NFL and should not expect anything for years.

Reading above and watching the signings and expecting great things in the draft, I say the hell with the naysayers and yes it looks like we have a plan. Giants Have No Clue - ( New Window )



Donít always believe everything these so called experts write. Most of them want to be controversial because that sells. In addition, people generally tend to lean toward negativity and to being impatient. And of course, many people are parrots....they just say what they believe someone smarter than them is saying. (Polly want a cracker....)

Last year was tough but any objective Giant fan can see the sky is not falling yet and at the very least is waiting till after the draft to analyze things, which includes our big trade this week. The guys who say we got fleeced without even waiting to see who we get with these 3 draft picks (1,3, 4 returned) arenít really that knowledgeable or understand how things work. Stay positive and upbeat....it is easier on the heart.


I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks.
I like your take generally...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/14/2019 8:17 pm : link
but like others have said, your comparison of Tate to OBJ is embarrassingly bad.

You cannot justify it based on production (not even close), and even if you could, the contribution OBJ made by drawing almost constant bracket/double coverage was much greater than can be shown in his results.

Having said that, I think OBJ was just too much of a star for this organization right now. It's not that he was a bad person or player or influence or anything else. He's just a mega-star and this team while rebuilding didn't need someone who was (almost unbelievably) too big for the NY market.
The results will appear -- in due course  
Alan in Toledo : 3/14/2019 9:15 pm : link
on the field, though, and not on these pages.

Let's take a break from the heavy breathing.
RE: you guys made good points  
5BowlsSoon : 3/14/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14338382 Dan in the Springs said:
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but like others have said, your comparison of Tate to OBJ is embarrassingly bad.

You cannot justify it based on production (not even close), and even if you could, the contribution OBJ made by drawing almost constant bracket/double coverage was much greater than can be shown in his results.

Having said that, I think OBJ was just too much of a star for this organization right now. It's not that he was a bad person or player or influence or anything else. He's just a mega-star and this team while rebuilding didn't need someone who was (almost unbelievably) too big for the NY market.


Especially the yards per game comparison and your point about drawing double coverage is also very good.

I retract my statement about OBJ being ďslightlyĒ better. It was more than that....OBJ is definitely better.
Why did Gettleman  
GiantGrit : 3/14/2019 9:34 pm : link
get "taken behind the woodshed".

Basically 2 firsts and a late 3rd. No one addresses the fact they've talked with teams for a full year, they really didn't know what teams were willing to offer? That in negotiation it hurts trying to sell a guy whose been hurt the last 2 years? Keeping him doesn't help. What if he gets hurt again?

They basically got 2 firsts and a 3rd. If you wanted another pick, i can totally understand that. But i just don't see how that is being fleeced.
RE: The proof is in the pudding  
djm : 3/14/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14338191 The_Boss said:
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Letís see where we are next December.


Very true. But I donít think itís unrealwtic to believe this team will play better in 2019. If they play like they did second half they will be in a lot of games. The offense is going to score points. The WRs (barkley) are still more than capable and Engram is there too. Still got the draft, hopefully RT is addressed soon....

Now, if the giants traded up for a qb (please god let it be Murray) then I might take back a lot of my optimism for 2019 because I see the giants addressing those defensive needs early and often in the draft. If they trade up kiss that goodbye but Iíd still be thrilled if itís Murray.
RE: To say Tate is a JAG  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14338296 5BowlsSoon said:
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Only shows your lack of football acumen. Itís not attractive....really!


Yeah, that's why he's on his 4th team in 10 years.
Take a look at the Ď19 schedule.....  
thrunthrublue : 3/14/2019 10:53 pm : link
The dream of a 7 - 9 season is not out of the question.....
There's less drama with Alec Ogletree and he's cheaper than Ray Lewis,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/14/2019 10:54 pm : link
so Lewis is slightly better.
OBj's biggest problem was himself........  
Doomster : 3/15/2019 5:59 am : link
If this guy ever gets his head on straight, he will make this trade look like a complete disaster.....

I wanted him and SB together with a fixed OL.....but we have no idea of what really led to the trade....was it his refusal to play those last 4 games? What if he did and we won a couple more games? Oops!

It will be interesting to hear what OBj says about Eli, because you know eventually he will talk about him.....did he feel Eli did not get him the ball enough? Did he feel Eli was not the qb he once was? I don't know......

If we are going into rebuild mode, I just don't understand the Golden signings....
11. Kick Ass  
idiotsavant : 3/15/2019 6:30 am : link
12. Don't get silly on O just yet. Keep you eye on maxing the fronts.
RE: Take a look at the Ď19 schedule.....  
ajr2456 : 3/15/2019 7:31 am : link
In comment 14338666 thrunthrublue said:
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The dream of a 7 - 9 season is not out of the question.....


And that would be a disaster
I do have a concern though  
5BowlsSoon : 3/15/2019 8:33 am : link
Iím not sure SShepherd is effective as a wideout as he is runn8ng from out of the slot. I know Tate is very good out of the slot especially with his YAC n7mber being even higher than Odell the past 3 years.
RE: Zeitler = Top PASS blocking guard  
NYG007 : 3/15/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14338269 SHO'NUFF said:
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DG = says we're going run-heavy.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.


He is a top 10 run blocker too, did you miss that? There are 64 starting guards in the NFL, and he is OVERALL the 6th best between Pass Blocking AND run blocking.
Anyone knocking that trade for OV is beyond missing the huge win for our team.
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