He’s not OBJ, but we got a solid WR in Tate, good veteran player who racks up the catches. The Golden signing was also a plus, he played very well in Betcher’s system in Arizona, and a low risk one year deal if the knee causes problems.
Let’s hope late tonight or tomorrow we find out we have a new RT (Remmers).
I hope Remmers signs by tomorrow. Also curious about what other defensive player might be added per jtgiants.
My hope is we keep both our 1st round picks, getting our QB and a defensive stud.
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Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
I think DG will be willing to give up the farm for a QB in 2020. That’s another reason why this draft is so important — this may be the last draft for a few where they actually have picks.
His position is probably if they lose they’ll be in a prime position for the QB they want. If they win, he’ll give up what he has to to get his guy.
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judge this until after the draft.
Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
.500? This team is not sniffing .500. The only people who think this team could sniff .500 are sniffing glue. This team is horrid. I sound like a broken record because, for whatever reason, I don't think people understand just how bad this team truly is.
But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.
Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
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I don’t think this year is really any different than last. DG wants to reshape the roster while trying to be competitive at the same time. It didn’t work last year and it probably won’t this year. That’s fine with me because I think he’s looking at 2020 to get Eli’s heir (think Jake Fromm), which to me, truly signifies turning the corner. Finishing 8-8 and in third place probably is our ceiling, even if he completely nails the draft.
b Hope you are right about Fromm next year.
Dave Hazelwood’s rhetoric is telegraphing that the heir apparent at QB will be acquired this offseason. He has a hard on for the Chiefs way and this has to be Eli’s last stand.
Then today we picked up Golden Tate and Markus Golden, perfect.
Then today we picked up Golden Tate and Markus Golden, perfect.
Good, now change your name to Golden Taint.
But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.
Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
I literally have not seen one person second guess not tagging Collins. And after trading Beckham it makes even more sense that no effort was made to keep Collins. 2019 is a tear down.
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judge this until after the draft.
Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
I think DG will be willing to give up the farm for a QB in 2020. That’s another reason why this draft is so important — this may be the last draft for a few where they actually have picks.
His position is probably if they lose they’ll be in a prime position for the QB they want. If they win, he’ll give up what he has to to get his guy.
I agree he is willing to but that doesn't mean it will happen.
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judge this until after the draft.
Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
.500? This team is not sniffing .500. The only people who think this team could sniff .500 are sniffing glue. This team is horrid. I sound like a broken record because, for whatever reason, I don't think people understand just how bad this team truly is.
It is more of a worst case scenario type of thing. Basically being good enough to be our of position to even be able to trade up for a QB.
I consider this draft as probably the most important draft in this franchise history
I consider this draft as probably the most important draft in this franchise history
I think that is the thing I am most looking forward to....a full season without Flowers and Omameh. For the first time in a few years, I think we are damn close to having a fully functioning Oline. Like you said....RT RT RT!
The other signing is a good player on a one year deal who may not be the same player before tearing his knee.
These guys improved the team, but the use of 'big' (I acknowledge this may be tongue in cheek) may be a bit much
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And just how the hell are we supposed to do that without Marc Ross in the fold?
Agreed, Gettleman needs to come up big with this draft.
Bethea is better than Riley, but that isn't saying much and he's 34. Yes we are better at RG than last year. And Yes we do have 2 #1 picks. But we now also need a #1 WR, a RT, a QB of the Future. at least one more starting CB, at least 2 more play makers on the front 7. With our haul of draft picks we will be doing very well to get 3 good starters and a few decent role players and/or backups.
Don't kid yourself--this team is going to be far less talented than last year's 5-11 crew.
Gettleman had a great draft last year, but every decision he has made with a veteran player, whether to bring him in or move him out (well, except for cutting Flowers and Omamaeh) has made the team worse. He has been a horrible disaster.
Bethea is better than Riley, but that isn't saying much and he's 34. Yes we are better at RG than last year. And Yes we do have 2 #1 picks. But we now also need a #1 WR, a RT, a QB of the Future. at least one more starting CB, at least 2 more play makers on the front 7. With our haul of draft picks we will be doing very well to get 3 good starters and a few decent role players and/or backups.
Don't kid yourself--this team is going to be far less talented than last year's 5-11 crew.
Gettleman had a great draft last year, but every decision he has made with a veteran player, whether to bring him in or move him out (well, except for cutting Flowers and Omamaeh) has made the team worse. He has been a horrible disaster.
And I just remembered last year when I complained about the JPP trade someone replied that it was the cap savings from that that would let us keep OBJ and Collins. Good call on that one.
Being positive about things even when there's nothing to actually suggest a reason to trust these people is how people cope with situations they can't do anything to change.
It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
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To see the final result logical?
It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.
I think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."
Neither move required us to trade our best player and in fact we probably overpaid for Tate because we did.
And they will need to be developed, earn some playing time, and perform on the field.
Otherwise the Roster will look bad again next year...
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To see the final result logical?
It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.
I think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."
the problem with your entire thought is that if you don;t post that you hate some move etc then people such as you -- or not you but others will call you a "Monday Morning QB" and ask why didn't you say something earlier?
ORRRRRRR is some cases you hope someone can change your mind. Give reasons why you think it's bad and others can provide a response. Your way is the worst of them all. "Let's wait and see." You realize one can have an opinion on a board like this and read others opinions too, right?
ANd we never have really had any other option since the history of sports is to ""wait and see," right?
***Further and MOST importantly-- you can still offer an opinion AND "wait and see" can;t you? IS that some taboo type of thing? No one can be sure. You're right about that. But to a certain degree if fans don't trust the moves of the team that need to preface everything "I'm not sure but . . .?"
This year's team WILL NOT win a SUper Bowl. DO I need to preface that with "I'm not sure . . .?"
But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.
Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
I am not arguing but please explain how signing another slot receiver like Tate at 31 years of age making near $9m a year makes sense considering GMEN are in rebuild?
I liked the recent acquisitions though. Tate is tough. Sheppard and Tate will be very very good run blocking WRs. They will very much help in the run game, you can book it.
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Gettleman at least showed he had some semblance of a plan in relation particularly to letting Collins walk. If he wasn't going to be able to bring in talented players then there would have been no reason to not tag Collins. Letting him walk and not tagging him will still be second guessed but imagine if they were also $20m under the cap entering the season, churning guys off waivers again 10 at a time.
But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.
Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
I am not arguing but please explain how signing another slot receiver like Tate at 31 years of age making near $9m a year makes sense considering GMEN are in rebuild?
This day and age you should always be churning your roster. You should always be bringing in talent. The Giants never did that until last year. The patriots do it every year except their churn is a lot less players than half the squad the Giants churned last year.
You need to build a locker room, but you have to build it while also trying to compete.
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Gettleman at least showed he had some semblance of a plan in relation particularly to letting Collins walk. If he wasn't going to be able to bring in talented players then there would have been no reason to not tag Collins. Letting him walk and not tagging him will still be second guessed but imagine if they were also $20m under the cap entering the season, churning guys off waivers again 10 at a time.
But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.
Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
I am not arguing but please explain how signing another slot receiver like Tate at 31 years of age making near $9m a year makes sense considering GMEN are in rebuild?
This day and age you should always be churning your roster. You should always be bringing in talent. The Giants never did that until last year. The patriots do it every year except their churn is a lot less players than half the squad the Giants churned last year.
You need to build a locker room, but you have to build it while also trying to compete.
We needed to pay 4 years $9m (with the understanding we're still not good) in order to do this? We couldn't sign someone for less? We signed 1 year Bethea-- why 4 year WR instead of 1 year guy? Or trade for a 1 year guy? Tate is not worth near $9m is he? COuldnt the extra few million tat was used on Tate been used on getting a young OT before they were all gone?
I hope Remmers signs by tomorrow. Also curious about what other defensive player might be added per jtgiants.
My hope is we keep both our 1st round picks, getting our QB and a defensive stud.
I agree with your thinking here. I don’t believe we have to pick up a qb at 6 especially if both Miller and Haskins are gone before we pick, which is what I expect. I’m thinking we could get the best defensive player available at 6 and a qb at 17. I don’t know how the Giants feel about Jones, Lock, Jackson, Grier. I think two of them might be there at 17.
We needed to pay 4 years $9m (with the understanding we're still not good) in order to do this? We couldn't sign someone for less? We signed 1 year Bethea-- why 4 year WR instead of 1 year guy? Or trade for a 1 year guy? Tate is not worth near $9m is he? COuldnt the extra few million tat was used on Tate been used on getting a young OT before they were all gone?
2 Years is a long time in the NFL. Some players come looking for 1 year or 2 year deals. That's the business. Tate is a very good WR. Do you want him until he is 34 instead? He's here to stabilize the WR corps.
Tate is very much worth 9M a year which is such a small number to begin with in this day and age.
Our cap situation is tight this year, but we have huge cap space next year. Those few million aren't really much.
Who are these young OTs that are just floating out there?
So no, a few mediocre FA signing isn't making me feel better about anything.
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In comment 14338926 crick n NC said:
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To see the final result logical?
It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.
i think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."
the problem with your entire thought is that if you don;t post that you hate some move etc then people such as you -- or not you but others will call you a "Monday Morning QB" and ask why didn't you say something earlier?
ORRRRRRR is some cases you hope someone can change your mind. Give reasons why you think it's bad and others can provide a response. Your way is the worst of them all. "Let's wait and see." You realize one can have an opinion on a board like this and read others opinions too, right?
ANd we never have really had any other option since the history of sports is to ""wait and see," right?
***Further and MOST importantly-- you can still offer an opinion AND "wait and see" can;t you? IS that some taboo type of thing? No one can be sure. You're right about that. But to a certain degree if fans don't trust the moves of the team that need to preface everything "I'm not sure but . . .?"
This year's team WILL NOT win a SUper Bowl. DO I need to preface that with "I'm not sure . . .?"
I guess you either didn't read this
Or you failed to understand it. As for your advice that "my" way is "worst of all", thanks, but judging how you react to issues on this board are signs that you may lack some self awareness.
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In comment 14338926 crick n NC said:
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To see the final result logical?
It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.
i think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."
the problem with your entire thought is that if you don;t post that you hate some move etc then people such as you -- or not you but others will call you a "Monday Morning QB" and ask why didn't you say something earlier?
ORRRRRRR is some cases you hope someone can change your mind. Give reasons why you think it's bad and others can provide a response. Your way is the worst of them all. "Let's wait and see." You realize one can have an opinion on a board like this and read others opinions too, right?
ANd we never have really had any other option since the history of sports is to ""wait and see," right?
***Further and MOST importantly-- you can still offer an opinion AND "wait and see" can;t you? IS that some taboo type of thing? No one can be sure. You're right about that. But to a certain degree if fans don't trust the moves of the team that need to preface everything "I'm not sure but . . .?"
This year's team WILL NOT win a SUper Bowl. DO I need to preface that with "I'm not sure . . .?"
I guess you either didn't read this
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i think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."
Or you failed to understand it. As for your advice that "my" way is "worst of all", thanks, but judging how you react to issues on this board are signs that you may lack some self awareness.
I think it mostly that your posts are full of crap. You want to pretend like you're the calming moderate poster and anyone that isnt as moderate as you is "over-the-top" or must reply to you in a "delicate"manner due to you're being thin-skinned.
You certainly aren't required to speak to me in a certain way, as you are your own person. I just think it's good to practice humility and respect as much as possible, although I fall short plenty of times. I do consider it a priority in my life.
If it's anything like last years, it could be awfully good.
The net-net here is more talent left than entered, and the cap position isn't much better. OBJ was a game changer, and in return we got a slot WR who is past his prime, who will be paid relatively well.
I think that opens the door to them trading Shepard, who I think is a better football player than anyone here gives him credit for. Too many on BBI have fallen prey to 'well, they were losing games with him' philosophy - which ironically that same crowd doesn't attribute to Eli Manning.
Instead, it gets thrust upon Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, OBJ - and before too long, they'll all be gone.
In their place, we have guys like Ogletree (who gets paid good money and cost a draft pick to be slightly better than mediocre), Golden Tate, Anthoine Bethea (who could play well for 2 more years, or could fall off a cliff - given he's at the age where that's generally already happened for defensive backs). Zeitler and Golden were good additions, and should easily make positive contributions. Wildcard here is Peppers - he had one good year and one not so great year. Let's see how he plays in Bettcher's system vs. Williams.
Could the draft return a bounty of young talent to repair the roster? Sure - and it could also yield a bunch of mediocre younger players who never amount to much. Right now, all optimism would have to be placed on the draft.
Wait til season..reality
Well we finally agree on something.
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Full of crap could certainly be true,
Well we finally agree on something.
Actually we don't agree. Saying That I may be "full of crap" is coming from your perspective, or your point of view. Since you do not know me it is a possibility. However I know myself and I know what I'm about.
It's fine though. I certainly don't plan on changing because a stranger on message board told me my way is BS.