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eric2425ny : 3/14/2019 9:44 pm
Heís not OBJ, but we got a solid WR in Tate, good veteran player who racks up the catches. The Golden signing was also a plus, he played very well in Betcherís system in Arizona, and a low risk one year deal if the knee causes problems.

Letís hope late tonight or tomorrow we find out we have a new RT (Remmers).
Can't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/14/2019 9:46 pm : link
judge this until after the draft.
RE: Can't  
eric2425ny : 3/14/2019 9:47 pm : link
In comment 14338538 Eric from BBI said:
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judge this until after the draft.


Agreed, Gettleman needs to come up big with this draft.
Canít judge this  
bradshaw44 : 3/14/2019 9:47 pm : link
Until they are on the field.
"big" thursday is kinda a stretch  
mphbullet36 : 3/14/2019 9:51 pm : link
a edge rush coming off an injury and a solid WR I don't really consider "big" acquisitions". Nice players

Like Eric said...all about the draft and what they do with the QB position.
Hope he has  
TommyWiseau : 3/14/2019 9:52 pm : link
A good draft. We have a lot of holes but also a lot of draft picks, BPA all the way. Every round, every pick, BPA!!!
Still a ton of work to do  
Sean : 3/14/2019 9:54 pm : link
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Being honest? No.  
The_Boss : 3/14/2019 9:54 pm : link
I donít think this year is really any different than last. DG wants to reshape the roster while trying to be competitive at the same time. It didnít work last year and it probably wonít this year. Thatís fine with me because I think heís looking at 2020 to get Eliís heir (think Jake Fromm), which to me, truly signifies turning the corner. Finishing 8-8 and in third place probably is our ceiling, even if he completely nails the draft.
RE: Can't  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14338538 Eric from BBI said:
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judge this until after the draft.


Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.

The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
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arcarsenal : 3/14/2019 9:59 pm : link
Still hoping for a RT before draft day - and I have made my stance known on the whole "go for it with Eli" thing again - but, most of what we're doing can help now, and going forward.

I like the direction the OL is going. I think Tate is a nice addition and makes this WR group much more respectable than it was before, sans-obj - really like the Markus Golden signing.

I think we'll like Bethea and that he and Peppers will be an upgrade over Collins/Riley.

But as others have said - what this will really come down to is how we handle this draft, and how we position ourselves to address the QB position going forward.

Much work to be done, but I think I'm kind of excited to see where this goes.

Hate to see Beckham go, but I think even someone like me who spent so much time defending him can understand that it just wasn't going to work out between he and the org.

It feels like a weight is sort of just off our shoulders in a way.

I hope Odell crushes it in Cleveland - I really do. I won't be the guy rooting for him to get hurt, or suck or any of that just so I can say he was always a turd and I'm glad he's gone.

But I think it was the right move for us to move on.

As I said many times, it was the "give Odell away" trade that would have really infuriated me, and if we'd waited, it may have quickly gotten to that point. We were smart to do this now , and I think one day that will wind up being more clear than it probably is now.

The return wasn't the moon - but it also isn't peanuts.

We have a real opportunity here to build a much stronger foundation if the brass can come up big on draft day(s) here. We have the darts to make this team much better. But we can't miss on our early picks.

In short; yes - but ask me again when I know what we're really going into training camp with this summer.

A lot of this equation is still largely TBD.
Today wasnít big. Sunday is big.  
Ivan15 : 3/14/2019 9:59 pm : link
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RE: Can't  
WillVAB : 3/14/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14338538 Eric from BBI said:
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judge this until after the draft.


Yep. Last yearís draft was important. This yearís is franchise defining given the roster firesale.

If this draft doesnít net at least 4 high quality players DG will get killed.
I'm not gonna be excited unless we get our next QB before the  
yatqb : 3/14/2019 10:03 pm : link
season starts. No need to cut Eli, just get someone under him that we are confident can take over by next year.
RE: Can't  
kennyd : 3/14/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14338538 Eric from BBI said:
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judge this until after the draft.


Started a post on Tuesday about this. This is the most important draft in recent memory. If Gettleman hits on a bunch of these picks we can be fine going forward, If we get a flowers, apple, Amukamara type draft (especially at 17 and 37) we got issues.
This is what qualifies as Big Thursday?  
Boy Cord : 3/14/2019 10:04 pm : link
There is some serious Stockholm Syndrome going on here. 2019 will be a lost year. A sacrifice for the future. I can envision the Giants with the #1 pick in 2020, although the Cardinals are going to be hard to outsuck.
Just looking at all the additions  
Rjanyg : 3/14/2019 10:04 pm : link
Zietler, Peppers, Tate, Golden...those are all very good football players that donít take plays off. Having a couple more picks and getting our late 4th back is a good thing.

I hope Remmers signs by tomorrow. Also curious about what other defensive player might be added per jtgiants.

My hope is we keep both our 1st round picks, getting our QB and a defensive stud.
Itís his effort to keep the Giants competitive this year.....  
Simms11 : 3/14/2019 10:04 pm : link
Iím a little more optimistic, but the draft will be extremely important this year.
No!  
Marty866b : 3/14/2019 10:05 pm : link
Right now we are the laughingstock of the league. Let's revisit this after all the free agents are signed and the draft is complete. At this moment, this roster is one of, if not the worst in the entire NFL. After signing a 31 year old receiver to pretty big money I am having a difficult time trying to figure out what the direction of this team is?
No, after all the hype from our asshats,  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 10:07 pm : link
who I appreciate, this is kind of a letdown.
Was hoping for a  
section125 : 3/14/2019 10:08 pm : link
RT to be signed today. Decent start.
RE: Being honest? No.  
TMS : 3/14/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14338561 The_Boss said:
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I donít think this year is really any different than last. DG wants to reshape the roster while trying to be competitive at the same time. It didnít work last year and it probably wonít this year. Thatís fine with me because I think heís looking at 2020 to get Eliís heir (think Jake Fromm), which to me, truly signifies turning the corner. Finishing 8-8 and in third place probably is our ceiling, even if he completely nails the draft.
b Hope you are right about Fromm next year.
RE: RE: Can't  
WillVAB : 3/14/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14338567 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14338538 Eric from BBI said:


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judge this until after the draft.



Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.

The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.



I think DG will be willing to give up the farm for a QB in 2020. Thatís another reason why this draft is so important ó this may be the last draft for a few where they actually have picks.

His position is probably if they lose theyíll be in a prime position for the QB they want. If they win, heíll give up what he has to to get his guy.
RE: RE: Can't  
Giants38 : 3/14/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14338567 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 14338538 Eric from BBI said:


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judge this until after the draft.



Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.

The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.


.500? This team is not sniffing .500. The only people who think this team could sniff .500 are sniffing glue. This team is horrid. I sound like a broken record because, for whatever reason, I don't think people understand just how bad this team truly is.
Success of this offseason is on the draft, but 1 thing is reassuring  
Eric on Li : 3/14/2019 10:17 pm : link
Gettleman at least showed he had some semblance of a plan in relation particularly to letting Collins walk. If he wasn't going to be able to bring in talented players then there would have been no reason to not tag Collins. Letting him walk and not tagging him will still be second guessed but imagine if they were also $20m under the cap entering the season, churning guys off waivers again 10 at a time.

But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.

Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
RE: RE: Being honest? No.  
Boy Cord : 3/14/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14338603 TMS said:
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I donít think this year is really any different than last. DG wants to reshape the roster while trying to be competitive at the same time. It didnít work last year and it probably wonít this year. Thatís fine with me because I think heís looking at 2020 to get Eliís heir (think Jake Fromm), which to me, truly signifies turning the corner. Finishing 8-8 and in third place probably is our ceiling, even if he completely nails the draft.

b Hope you are right about Fromm next year.


Dave Hazelwoodís rhetoric is telegraphing that the heir apparent at QB will be acquired this offseason. He has a hard on for the Chiefs way and this has to be Eliís last stand.
Nope  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/14/2019 10:20 pm : link
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I've been beaming since the OBJ trade  
OdellBeckhamJr : 3/14/2019 10:22 pm : link
He's a lot of baggage and injury prone, got a really good safety, a 3rd, and #17 overall out of him, pretty good considering what the Steelers got for Brown.

Then today we picked up Golden Tate and Markus Golden, perfect.
RE: I've been beaming since the OBJ trade  
SHO'NUFF : 3/14/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14338633 OdellBeckhamJr said:
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He's a lot of baggage and injury prone, got a really good safety, a 3rd, and #17 overall out of him, pretty good considering what the Steelers got for Brown.

Then today we picked up Golden Tate and Markus Golden, perfect.


Good, now change your name to Golden Taint.
RE: Success of this offseason is on the draft, but 1 thing is reassuring  
Boy Cord : 3/14/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14338622 Eric on Li said:
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Gettleman at least showed he had some semblance of a plan in relation particularly to letting Collins walk. If he wasn't going to be able to bring in talented players then there would have been no reason to not tag Collins. Letting him walk and not tagging him will still be second guessed but imagine if they were also $20m under the cap entering the season, churning guys off waivers again 10 at a time.

But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.

Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.


I literally have not seen one person second guess not tagging Collins. And after trading Beckham it makes even more sense that no effort was made to keep Collins. 2019 is a tear down.
RE: RE: RE: Can't  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14338611 WillVAB said:
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In comment 14338538 Eric from BBI said:


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judge this until after the draft.



Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.

The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.




I think DG will be willing to give up the farm for a QB in 2020. Thatís another reason why this draft is so important ó this may be the last draft for a few where they actually have picks.

His position is probably if they lose theyíll be in a prime position for the QB they want. If they win, heíll give up what he has to to get his guy.


I agree he is willing to but that doesn't mean it will happen.
RE: RE: RE: Can't  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2019 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14338612 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14338538 Eric from BBI said:


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judge this until after the draft.



Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.

The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.



.500? This team is not sniffing .500. The only people who think this team could sniff .500 are sniffing glue. This team is horrid. I sound like a broken record because, for whatever reason, I don't think people understand just how bad this team truly is.


It is more of a worst case scenario type of thing. Basically being good enough to be our of position to even be able to trade up for a QB.
I will hold judgement until after the draft  
George from PA : 3/14/2019 10:44 pm : link
And still waiting for the proven RT...i do not want a rookie RT to start.

I consider this draft as probably the most important draft in this franchise history
RE: I will hold judgement until after the draft  
John In CO : 3/14/2019 11:20 pm : link
In comment 14338659 George from PA said:
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And still waiting for the proven RT...i do not want a rookie RT to start.

I consider this draft as probably the most important draft in this franchise history


I think that is the thing I am most looking forward to....a full season without Flowers and Omameh. For the first time in a few years, I think we are damn close to having a fully functioning Oline. Like you said....RT RT RT!
I'm undecided on how I feel this year  
Banks : 3/14/2019 11:54 pm : link
Personally I don't think we're competing until 2021 but who knows. Today didn't do anything to make think we'll win a lot more games in 2019. I like Tate, but he's a #2 at best and coming off a year he didn't even get 800 yards after after a couple years of decreasing production. Love the player, he's reliable, but I don't think he's much of a game changer.

The other signing is a good player on a one year deal who may not be the same player before tearing his knee.

These guys improved the team, but the use of 'big' (I acknowledge this may be tongue in cheek) may be a bit much
RE: RE: Can't  
FranknWeezer : 3/15/2019 12:17 am : link
In comment 14338540 eric2425ny said:
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judge this until after the draft.

And just how the hell are we supposed to do that without Marc Ross in the fold?

Agreed, Gettleman needs to come up big with this draft.
We need to sign Remmers to complete this  
Bill in UT : 3/15/2019 12:30 am : link
Then, if we get an ER, OL, QB (Rosen or someone from this class) and a WR with our first 4 picks, everything else is gravy and I'd feel pretty good about the offseason.
Can't judge this  
Doomster : 3/15/2019 5:37 am : link
until the end of the season.....or sooner if a knee doesn't work, or the other guy gets old overnight....
No  
Mike in Boston : 3/15/2019 6:14 am : link
Replacing a HOF WR in his prime with someone who was a very good WR but is past his prime is a step back. So is replacing Vernon with an edge coming off knee surgery. So is replacing Collins with Peprill.

Bethea is better than Riley, but that isn't saying much and he's 34. Yes we are better at RG than last year. And Yes we do have 2 #1 picks. But we now also need a #1 WR, a RT, a QB of the Future. at least one more starting CB, at least 2 more play makers on the front 7. With our haul of draft picks we will be doing very well to get 3 good starters and a few decent role players and/or backups.

Don't kid yourself--this team is going to be far less talented than last year's 5-11 crew.

Gettleman had a great draft last year, but every decision he has made with a veteran player, whether to bring him in or move him out (well, except for cutting Flowers and Omamaeh) has made the team worse. He has been a horrible disaster.
RE: No  
Mike in Boston : 3/15/2019 6:19 am : link
In comment 14338842 Mike in Boston said:
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Replacing a HOF WR in his prime with someone who was a very good WR but is past his prime is a step back. So is replacing Vernon with an edge coming off knee surgery. So is replacing Collins with Peprill.

Bethea is better than Riley, but that isn't saying much and he's 34. Yes we are better at RG than last year. And Yes we do have 2 #1 picks. But we now also need a #1 WR, a RT, a QB of the Future. at least one more starting CB, at least 2 more play makers on the front 7. With our haul of draft picks we will be doing very well to get 3 good starters and a few decent role players and/or backups.

Don't kid yourself--this team is going to be far less talented than last year's 5-11 crew.

Gettleman had a great draft last year, but every decision he has made with a veteran player, whether to bring him in or move him out (well, except for cutting Flowers and Omamaeh) has made the team worse. He has been a horrible disaster.


And I just remembered last year when I complained about the JPP trade someone replied that it was the cap savings from that that would let us keep OBJ and Collins. Good call on that one.
I find it  
crick n NC : 3/15/2019 7:27 am : link
Interesting that fans in this thread are deciding to use the "wait and see approach" for a possible positive outcome. When "The Trade" happened it was judged immediately.
RE: I find it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/15/2019 7:30 am : link
In comment 14338906 crick n NC said:
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Interesting that fans in this thread are deciding to use the "wait and see approach" for a possible positive outcome. When "The Trade" happened it was judged immediately.


Being positive about things even when there's nothing to actually suggest a reason to trust these people is how people cope with situations they can't do anything to change.
Isn't waiting  
crick n NC : 3/15/2019 7:33 am : link
To see the final result logical?
RE: Isn't waiting  
Mike from Ohio : 3/15/2019 7:50 am : link
In comment 14338926 crick n NC said:
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To see the final result logical?


It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
RE: RE: Isn't waiting  
crick n NC : 3/15/2019 8:10 am : link
In comment 14338971 Mike from Ohio said:
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To see the final result logical?



It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.


There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.

I think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."
The draft=The trade  
crick n NC : 3/15/2019 8:11 am : link
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As far as the moves, are you kidding?  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/15/2019 8:13 am : link
We got a decent WR on his fourth team and a DE on a prove it contract whoís had one good year and wonít be lining up across from Chandler Jones. I hope the Giants arenít sending out playoff invoices yet.

Neither move required us to trade our best player and in fact we probably overpaid for Tate because we did.
The signing for the WR was bad. Is the OP serious?  
giantstock : 3/15/2019 8:24 am : link
IS he being sarcastic?
Roster looks bad  
Jimmy Googs : 3/15/2019 8:27 am : link
but it will soon be filled with promising rookies.

And they will need to be developed, earn some playing time, and perform on the field.

Otherwise the Roster will look bad again next year...

RE: RE: RE: Isn't waiting  
giantstock : 3/15/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14339020 crick n NC said:
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To see the final result logical?



It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.



There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.

I think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."


the problem with your entire thought is that if you don;t post that you hate some move etc then people such as you -- or not you but others will call you a "Monday Morning QB" and ask why didn't you say something earlier?

ORRRRRRR is some cases you hope someone can change your mind. Give reasons why you think it's bad and others can provide a response. Your way is the worst of them all. "Let's wait and see." You realize one can have an opinion on a board like this and read others opinions too, right?

ANd we never have really had any other option since the history of sports is to ""wait and see," right?

***Further and MOST importantly-- you can still offer an opinion AND "wait and see" can;t you? IS that some taboo type of thing? No one can be sure. You're right about that. But to a certain degree if fans don't trust the moves of the team that need to preface everything "I'm not sure but . . .?"

This year's team WILL NOT win a SUper Bowl. DO I need to preface that with "I'm not sure . . .?"
RE: Success of this offseason is on the draft, but 1 thing is reassuring  
giantstock : 3/15/2019 8:52 am : link
In comment 14338622 Eric on Li said:
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Gettleman at least showed he had some semblance of a plan in relation particularly to letting Collins walk. If he wasn't going to be able to bring in talented players then there would have been no reason to not tag Collins. Letting him walk and not tagging him will still be second guessed but imagine if they were also $20m under the cap entering the season, churning guys off waivers again 10 at a time.

But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.

Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.


I am not arguing but please explain how signing another slot receiver like Tate at 31 years of age making near $9m a year makes sense considering GMEN are in rebuild?

Eh  
Dodge : 3/15/2019 8:56 am : link
I was fine when OBJ was traded. We've sucked for years, something has to change. OBJ is not helping us win more games to get us into the playoffs. We've been rudderless for a decade.

I liked the recent acquisitions though. Tate is tough. Sheppard and Tate will be very very good run blocking WRs. They will very much help in the run game, you can book it.
RE: RE: Success of this offseason is on the draft, but 1 thing is reassuring  
Dodge : 3/15/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14339139 giantstock said:
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In comment 14338622 Eric on Li said:


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Gettleman at least showed he had some semblance of a plan in relation particularly to letting Collins walk. If he wasn't going to be able to bring in talented players then there would have been no reason to not tag Collins. Letting him walk and not tagging him will still be second guessed but imagine if they were also $20m under the cap entering the season, churning guys off waivers again 10 at a time.

But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.

Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.



I am not arguing but please explain how signing another slot receiver like Tate at 31 years of age making near $9m a year makes sense considering GMEN are in rebuild?


This day and age you should always be churning your roster. You should always be bringing in talent. The Giants never did that until last year. The patriots do it every year except their churn is a lot less players than half the squad the Giants churned last year.

You need to build a locker room, but you have to build it while also trying to compete.
RE: RE: RE: Success of this offseason is on the draft, but 1 thing is reassuring  
giantstock : 3/15/2019 9:19 am : link
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Gettleman at least showed he had some semblance of a plan in relation particularly to letting Collins walk. If he wasn't going to be able to bring in talented players then there would have been no reason to not tag Collins. Letting him walk and not tagging him will still be second guessed but imagine if they were also $20m under the cap entering the season, churning guys off waivers again 10 at a time.

But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.

Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.



I am not arguing but please explain how signing another slot receiver like Tate at 31 years of age making near $9m a year makes sense considering GMEN are in rebuild?




This day and age you should always be churning your roster. You should always be bringing in talent. The Giants never did that until last year. The patriots do it every year except their churn is a lot less players than half the squad the Giants churned last year.

You need to build a locker room, but you have to build it while also trying to compete.


We needed to pay 4 years $9m (with the understanding we're still not good) in order to do this? We couldn't sign someone for less? We signed 1 year Bethea-- why 4 year WR instead of 1 year guy? Or trade for a 1 year guy? Tate is not worth near $9m is he? COuldnt the extra few million tat was used on Tate been used on getting a young OT before they were all gone?

RE: Just looking at all the additions  
5BowlsSoon : 3/15/2019 9:30 am : link
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Zietler, Peppers, Tate, Golden...those are all very good football players that donít take plays off. Having a couple more picks and getting our late 4th back is a good thing.

I hope Remmers signs by tomorrow. Also curious about what other defensive player might be added per jtgiants.

My hope is we keep both our 1st round picks, getting our QB and a defensive stud.


I agree with your thinking here. I donít believe we have to pick up a qb at 6 especially if both Miller and Haskins are gone before we pick, which is what I expect. Iím thinking we could get the best defensive player available at 6 and a qb at 17. I donít know how the Giants feel about Jones, Lock, Jackson, Grier. I think two of them might be there at 17.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Success of this offseason is on the draft, but 1 thing is reassuring  
Dodge : 3/15/2019 9:41 am : link
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We needed to pay 4 years $9m (with the understanding we're still not good) in order to do this? We couldn't sign someone for less? We signed 1 year Bethea-- why 4 year WR instead of 1 year guy? Or trade for a 1 year guy? Tate is not worth near $9m is he? COuldnt the extra few million tat was used on Tate been used on getting a young OT before they were all gone?


2 Years is a long time in the NFL. Some players come looking for 1 year or 2 year deals. That's the business. Tate is a very good WR. Do you want him until he is 34 instead? He's here to stabilize the WR corps.

Tate is very much worth 9M a year which is such a small number to begin with in this day and age.

Our cap situation is tight this year, but we have huge cap space next year. Those few million aren't really much.

Who are these young OTs that are just floating out there?
No, not even a bit.  
Tesla : 3/15/2019 9:52 am : link
We lost one of the most exciting players the Giants have ever seen. It's likely we'll never have a receiver as good as OBJ for the next 30 years. And we traded him for pennies on the dollar because our owners didn't like an interview he gave.

So no, a few mediocre FA signing isn't making me feel better about anything.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Isn't waiting  
crick n NC : 3/15/2019 1:28 pm : link
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To see the final result logical?



It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.



There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.

i think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."



the problem with your entire thought is that if you don;t post that you hate some move etc then people such as you -- or not you but others will call you a "Monday Morning QB" and ask why didn't you say something earlier?

ORRRRRRR is some cases you hope someone can change your mind. Give reasons why you think it's bad and others can provide a response. Your way is the worst of them all. "Let's wait and see." You realize one can have an opinion on a board like this and read others opinions too, right?

ANd we never have really had any other option since the history of sports is to ""wait and see," right?

***Further and MOST importantly-- you can still offer an opinion AND "wait and see" can;t you? IS that some taboo type of thing? No one can be sure. You're right about that. But to a certain degree if fans don't trust the moves of the team that need to preface everything "I'm not sure but . . .?"

This year's team WILL NOT win a SUper Bowl. DO I need to preface that with "I'm not sure . . .?"



I guess you either didn't read this

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i think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."


Or you failed to understand it. As for your advice that "my" way is "worst of all", thanks, but judging how you react to issues on this board are signs that you may lack some self awareness.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Isn't waiting  
giantstock : 3/16/2019 3:16 pm : link
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To see the final result logical?



It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.



There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.

i think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."



the problem with your entire thought is that if you don;t post that you hate some move etc then people such as you -- or not you but others will call you a "Monday Morning QB" and ask why didn't you say something earlier?

ORRRRRRR is some cases you hope someone can change your mind. Give reasons why you think it's bad and others can provide a response. Your way is the worst of them all. "Let's wait and see." You realize one can have an opinion on a board like this and read others opinions too, right?

ANd we never have really had any other option since the history of sports is to ""wait and see," right?

***Further and MOST importantly-- you can still offer an opinion AND "wait and see" can;t you? IS that some taboo type of thing? No one can be sure. You're right about that. But to a certain degree if fans don't trust the moves of the team that need to preface everything "I'm not sure but . . .?"

This year's team WILL NOT win a SUper Bowl. DO I need to preface that with "I'm not sure . . .?"




I guess you either didn't read this



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i think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."



Or you failed to understand it. As for your advice that "my" way is "worst of all", thanks, but judging how you react to issues on this board are signs that you may lack some self awareness.


I think it mostly that your posts are full of crap. You want to pretend like you're the calming moderate poster and anyone that isnt as moderate as you is "over-the-top" or must reply to you in a "delicate"manner due to you're being thin-skinned.
Me being  
crick n NC : 3/16/2019 3:40 pm : link
Full of crap could certainly be true, but that would mean I'm going against what I really am which would result eventually in my true self coming out, therefore betraying my "full of crap" personality. Time will tell.

You certainly aren't required to speak to me in a certain way, as you are your own person. I just think it's good to practice humility and respect as much as possible, although I fall short plenty of times. I do consider it a priority in my life.
RE: Hope he has  
Pan-handler : 3/16/2019 3:42 pm : link
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A good draft. We have a lot of holes but also a lot of draft picks, BPA all the way. Every round, every pick, BPA!!!


If it's anything like last years, it could be awfully good.

I don't see good things for the Giants  
jcn56 : 3/16/2019 3:52 pm : link
I'm generally an optimistic person, but the Giants have given me plenty of reason for pessimism the past few years. And this offseason just seems like more of the same so far.

The net-net here is more talent left than entered, and the cap position isn't much better. OBJ was a game changer, and in return we got a slot WR who is past his prime, who will be paid relatively well.

I think that opens the door to them trading Shepard, who I think is a better football player than anyone here gives him credit for. Too many on BBI have fallen prey to 'well, they were losing games with him' philosophy - which ironically that same crowd doesn't attribute to Eli Manning.

Instead, it gets thrust upon Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Landon Collins, OBJ - and before too long, they'll all be gone.

In their place, we have guys like Ogletree (who gets paid good money and cost a draft pick to be slightly better than mediocre), Golden Tate, Anthoine Bethea (who could play well for 2 more years, or could fall off a cliff - given he's at the age where that's generally already happened for defensive backs). Zeitler and Golden were good additions, and should easily make positive contributions. Wildcard here is Peppers - he had one good year and one not so great year. Let's see how he plays in Bettcher's system vs. Williams.


Could the draft return a bounty of young talent to repair the roster? Sure - and it could also yield a bunch of mediocre younger players who never amount to much. Right now, all optimism would have to be placed on the draft.
Yeah every Spring brings hope eternal  
micky : 3/16/2019 3:55 pm : link
with cant miss FA's

Wait til season..reality
RE: Me being  
giantstock : 3/16/2019 4:13 pm : link
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Full of crap could certainly be true,


Well we finally agree on something.
RE: RE: Me being  
crick n NC : 3/16/2019 4:58 pm : link
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Full of crap could certainly be true,



Well we finally agree on something.


Actually we don't agree. Saying That I may be "full of crap" is coming from your perspective, or your point of view. Since you do not know me it is a possibility. However I know myself and I know what I'm about.

It's fine though. I certainly don't plan on changing because a stranger on message board told me my way is BS.
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