He’s not OBJ, but we got a solid WR in Tate, good veteran player who racks up the catches. The Golden signing was also a plus, he played very well in Betcher’s system in Arizona, and a low risk one year deal if the knee causes problems.
Let’s hope late tonight or tomorrow we find out we have a new RT (Remmers).
Agreed, Gettleman needs to come up big with this draft.
Like Eric said...all about the draft and what they do with the QB position.
Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
I like the direction the OL is going. I think Tate is a nice addition and makes this WR group much more respectable than it was before, sans-obj - really like the Markus Golden signing.
I think we'll like Bethea and that he and Peppers will be an upgrade over Collins/Riley.
But as others have said - what this will really come down to is how we handle this draft, and how we position ourselves to address the QB position going forward.
Much work to be done, but I think I'm kind of excited to see where this goes.
Hate to see Beckham go, but I think even someone like me who spent so much time defending him can understand that it just wasn't going to work out between he and the org.
It feels like a weight is sort of just off our shoulders in a way.
I hope Odell crushes it in Cleveland - I really do. I won't be the guy rooting for him to get hurt, or suck or any of that just so I can say he was always a turd and I'm glad he's gone.
But I think it was the right move for us to move on.
As I said many times, it was the "give Odell away" trade that would have really infuriated me, and if we'd waited, it may have quickly gotten to that point. We were smart to do this now , and I think one day that will wind up being more clear than it probably is now.
The return wasn't the moon - but it also isn't peanuts.
We have a real opportunity here to build a much stronger foundation if the brass can come up big on draft day(s) here. We have the darts to make this team much better. But we can't miss on our early picks.
In short; yes - but ask me again when I know what we're really going into training camp with this summer.
A lot of this equation is still largely TBD.
Yep. Last year’s draft was important. This year’s is franchise defining given the roster firesale.
If this draft doesn’t net at least 4 high quality players DG will get killed.
Started a post on Tuesday about this. This is the most important draft in recent memory. If Gettleman hits on a bunch of these picks we can be fine going forward, If we get a flowers, apple, Amukamara type draft (especially at 17 and 37) we got issues.
I hope Remmers signs by tomorrow. Also curious about what other defensive player might be added per jtgiants.
My hope is we keep both our 1st round picks, getting our QB and a defensive stud.
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Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
I think DG will be willing to give up the farm for a QB in 2020. That’s another reason why this draft is so important — this may be the last draft for a few where they actually have picks.
His position is probably if they lose they’ll be in a prime position for the QB they want. If they win, he’ll give up what he has to to get his guy.
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judge this until after the draft.
Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
.500? This team is not sniffing .500. The only people who think this team could sniff .500 are sniffing glue. This team is horrid. I sound like a broken record because, for whatever reason, I don't think people understand just how bad this team truly is.
But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.
Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
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I don’t think this year is really any different than last. DG wants to reshape the roster while trying to be competitive at the same time. It didn’t work last year and it probably won’t this year. That’s fine with me because I think he’s looking at 2020 to get Eli’s heir (think Jake Fromm), which to me, truly signifies turning the corner. Finishing 8-8 and in third place probably is our ceiling, even if he completely nails the draft.
b Hope you are right about Fromm next year.
Dave Hazelwood’s rhetoric is telegraphing that the heir apparent at QB will be acquired this offseason. He has a hard on for the Chiefs way and this has to be Eli’s last stand.
Then today we picked up Golden Tate and Markus Golden, perfect.
Then today we picked up Golden Tate and Markus Golden, perfect.
Good, now change your name to Golden Taint.
But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.
Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
I literally have not seen one person second guess not tagging Collins. And after trading Beckham it makes even more sense that no effort was made to keep Collins. 2019 is a tear down.
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judge this until after the draft.
Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
I think DG will be willing to give up the farm for a QB in 2020. That’s another reason why this draft is so important — this may be the last draft for a few where they actually have picks.
His position is probably if they lose they’ll be in a prime position for the QB they want. If they win, he’ll give up what he has to to get his guy.
I agree he is willing to but that doesn't mean it will happen.
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judge this until after the draft.
Still going to be difficult until we see the rookies perform.
The one thing that can give us fans hope is having a plan for our future QB whoever that may be. I obviously don't want to force a QB and I am not against building the team up and getting a QB next year but there is a huge downside to that. I can see us finishing around .500 next year and being too far down in the draft to realistically trade for our guy. Who in the three is going to want to drop to the middle of the first? Not many. I did this last week but even though there aren't many QB needy teams this year, next year is a different ballgame. There could be up to 15 teams that could use a top rookie QB whether that is an immediate need or just a team that has an older QB. So, I don't care that there are like 3 legit QBs next year. The demand outweighs the supply and that will make is extremely difficult to just say we can trade up. I just don't see how that is feasible. That is why Rosen makes so much sense now. We won't have to overpay with either draft picks or money on an average starter in FA next year.
.500? This team is not sniffing .500. The only people who think this team could sniff .500 are sniffing glue. This team is horrid. I sound like a broken record because, for whatever reason, I don't think people understand just how bad this team truly is.
It is more of a worst case scenario type of thing. Basically being good enough to be our of position to even be able to trade up for a QB.
I consider this draft as probably the most important draft in this franchise history
I consider this draft as probably the most important draft in this franchise history
I think that is the thing I am most looking forward to....a full season without Flowers and Omameh. For the first time in a few years, I think we are damn close to having a fully functioning Oline. Like you said....RT RT RT!
The other signing is a good player on a one year deal who may not be the same player before tearing his knee.
These guys improved the team, but the use of 'big' (I acknowledge this may be tongue in cheek) may be a bit much
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And just how the hell are we supposed to do that without Marc Ross in the fold?
Agreed, Gettleman needs to come up big with this draft.
Bethea is better than Riley, but that isn't saying much and he's 34. Yes we are better at RG than last year. And Yes we do have 2 #1 picks. But we now also need a #1 WR, a RT, a QB of the Future. at least one more starting CB, at least 2 more play makers on the front 7. With our haul of draft picks we will be doing very well to get 3 good starters and a few decent role players and/or backups.
Don't kid yourself--this team is going to be far less talented than last year's 5-11 crew.
Gettleman had a great draft last year, but every decision he has made with a veteran player, whether to bring him in or move him out (well, except for cutting Flowers and Omamaeh) has made the team worse. He has been a horrible disaster.
Bethea is better than Riley, but that isn't saying much and he's 34. Yes we are better at RG than last year. And Yes we do have 2 #1 picks. But we now also need a #1 WR, a RT, a QB of the Future. at least one more starting CB, at least 2 more play makers on the front 7. With our haul of draft picks we will be doing very well to get 3 good starters and a few decent role players and/or backups.
Don't kid yourself--this team is going to be far less talented than last year's 5-11 crew.
Gettleman had a great draft last year, but every decision he has made with a veteran player, whether to bring him in or move him out (well, except for cutting Flowers and Omamaeh) has made the team worse. He has been a horrible disaster.
And I just remembered last year when I complained about the JPP trade someone replied that it was the cap savings from that that would let us keep OBJ and Collins. Good call on that one.
Being positive about things even when there's nothing to actually suggest a reason to trust these people is how people cope with situations they can't do anything to change.
It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
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To see the final result logical?
It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.
I think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."
Neither move required us to trade our best player and in fact we probably overpaid for Tate because we did.
And they will need to be developed, earn some playing time, and perform on the field.
Otherwise the Roster will look bad again next year...
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To see the final result logical?
It is. So is having an immediate impression and reaction to news when you hear it.
There is nothing wrong with having a grounded reaction. This place was over the top. The draft was decided instantly.
I think it's logical to claim "I'm not sure I like the return, but I need to let this play out before I decide whether it's a positive or a negative result."
the problem with your entire thought is that if you don;t post that you hate some move etc then people such as you -- or not you but others will call you a "Monday Morning QB" and ask why didn't you say something earlier?
ORRRRRRR is some cases you hope someone can change your mind. Give reasons why you think it's bad and others can provide a response. Your way is the worst of them all. "Let's wait and see." You realize one can have an opinion on a board like this and read others opinions too, right?
ANd we never have really had any other option since the history of sports is to ""wait and see," right?
***Further and MOST importantly-- you can still offer an opinion AND "wait and see" can;t you? IS that some taboo type of thing? No one can be sure. You're right about that. But to a certain degree if fans don't trust the moves of the team that need to preface everything "I'm not sure but . . .?"
This year's team WILL NOT win a SUper Bowl. DO I need to preface that with "I'm not sure . . .?"
But with 12 draft picks, 2 in the top 17, that's the main event of this offseason - everything else is window dressing. That is the can't miss opportunity to get this rebuild on track. Last year the colts added Quentin Nelson (#6), Darius Leonard (#36), and Braden Smith (#37). The #17 pick last year was Derwin James. 2 picks later at #19 the Cowboys got Vander Esch.
Imagine our team if we added the players picked at those same slots last year with Nelson (6), James (17), and Leonard (36). All 3 of those guys were first team all pros last year, and 2 went to the same team. Add some great players with 4-5+ years of cheap control and things will look a lot better really quickly, even if we haven't found our next franchise QB yet.
I am not arguing but please explain how signing another slot receiver like Tate at 31 years of age making near $9m a year makes sense considering GMEN are in rebuild?
I liked the recent acquisitions though. Tate is tough. Sheppard and Tate will be very very good run blocking WRs. They will very much help in the run game, you can book it.