Here's where we stand

And will the antics causing the obj trade be made public?

-Is there a plan C?
-Houston?
-left to trade, Shepard, Jenkins, Engram. Can’t thing of anyone else who would have value to another team.

In comment 14338754 Giantimistic said:

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-Is there a plan C? -Houston? -left to trade, Shepard, Jenkins, Engram. Can’t thing of anyone else who would have value to another team.

Is the trade players or draft picks?

Trae Waynes?

Trade. I can say, in terms of Beckham, these things always get out. As for QB. Whatever they do Eli is the QB this year

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In comment 14338758 jtgiants said:

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Trade. I can say, in terms of Beckham, these things always get out. As for QB. Whatever they do Eli is the QB this year

Can you say what the chances are of them trading both #17 and #6 to move up, vs trading another player for picks?

be rude but can you explain to me why someone that has had 2.5 sacks the last two years is being classified as a big get?

He's had 1 good year out of 4.

You already answered my question, sorry

Player who did GREAT under Bettcher. He tore his cal and then came back and team was playing 4-3. He wasn't a system fit. You watch. He'll be real good this season

jt, about all of it.

they'd just wait till the draft and grab a tackle who can plug right in. It's a better tackle year than last year, where we got a great guard.

I assume shurmur has some visions of thelen/diggs.

and thanks for the info.

Do you have any sense of the Giants internal systems for calculating something like expected win probability adjustments as it relates to adding or subtracting players?

I like it batman.

I tried to search some cardinal boards with no luck, but I have to imagine that we are not the only site getting this type of inside scoop.

This is all 10 times better than the reporters scoops.

Not jet.

are considered the bigger moves, that's pretty disappointing. Nowhere near enough to win this year, even with the rookies we'll draft.

Appreciate it greatly.

They don't believe that. They think the offense is fine. They want a RT though. They think the defense is a work in progress but getting there. They also expect huge help from draft

- Are they not aware of the QBs available in next year's draft?
- Are they not aware they scored more points in Beckham's last 4 games than they did in the last 4 games without him?
- The two teams that needed the games last year when we didn't have Beckham held Saquon Barkley to 74 yards rushing on 35 carries. The Giants embarrassed themselves against the Titans and couldn't beat a Dallas team sitting many stars.
- What makes them think they were better? That they almost beat the Colts?

Just completely fucking delusional. What are they trying to prove? These motherfuckers really don't want Tua or Herbert. I guess we'll be looking at Eli forever.

I just find it enough to pull my hair out.

If he is healthy, dude can be a beast. Click the link below and you can see what type of person & player he is.

Now the Tate signing is something I don't get, but who knows.. I'm hoping the Giants do fortify the Oline before the draft so they don't have to spend a 1st rd pick on one and focus either on a Edge rusher, or a QB. Personally I would love somehow getting Josh Allen to pair up with Golden & Carter. You can never have enough pass rushers! Giants need to go back to what made them successful back then, good Oline and great pass rushers.. Or go QB's with the 1st pick and pass rusher with the 2nd pick. If your rebuilding, get a QB now to groom under Eli.

I just get this strange feeling the Giants are trying to completely change the culture here now. I feel like they are in some way trying to maybe imitate what the Patriots have been doing for awhile now? That's don't go crazy and overspend on players, and try to get blue collar players that just want to win. Team first type of players. It only makes sense when you give up on several players including a generational type player in Odell?! Who really knows what they are trying to accomplish right now, but that's my theory on this mess. I could be wrong?
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edge player with some pass rush skills and still young?

Yyou can disagree but Giants are of different mindset. Also the offensive line is much improved. Zeitler isn't good.....hes an all pro. Also the offense did very well without Beckham to end the year. On that your wrong. Either way they belie c.f. e they can contend for playoffs this year

As always. I still think based on what’s going on the Giants are drafting a QB by possibly trading up for one or trading for Rosen, but even if they get Rosen, they will sit him for Eli. And if they don’t like Haskins at 6, I have to think Murray is in play. We will see! (And this is no asshat info on my side, just reading into what I’m seeing)

In comment 14338788 BlueLou'sBack said:

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edge player with some pass rush skills and still young?

Or a run plugger type - that I can more easily see, as they might think they can pick up a younger Snacks Harrison type with less mileage on his wheels.

And thanks for all the insider tips. Keeps the day hopping.

You could be right but I don't see it that way.

In comment 14338792 jtgiants said:

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You could be right but I don't see it that way.

Thanks JT! I really hope the plan isn’t Daniel Jones at 17. Please no ;)

Unless they hit HRs in the draft on D, they have no shot. No pass rush. We can’t cover. How does this add up to winning now?

You can’t name a weaker talent pool on defense in the NFL..

In comment 14338789 jtgiants said:

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Yyou can disagree but Giants are of different mindset. Also the offensive line is much improved. Zeitler isn't good.....hes an all pro. Also the offense did very well without Beckham to end the year. On that your wrong. Either way they belie c.f. e they can contend for playoffs this year

Someone put it really well in a different thread... it's as if the Giants are on an all-out mission to have the 10th pick in the 2020 draft.

jt... When do they plan on getting a QB? I didn't criticize them for not drafting Darnold and I really don't even want to draft a QB this year. But the 2020 draft is going to be loaded with prospects. Are they just assuming they can trade their way up?

Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019

Move back with Cinn.....so they can get in range for Haskins

Another Ogletree type trade.....a couple of late round picks. I would say, follow the recent FA signing....that usually creates availability.

Trading for Rosen

In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:

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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019

I like it. They owe him that much.

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Left to trade: Shepard, Jenkins, Engram. Can’t thing of anyone else who would have value to another team.

System fit seems to be an important consideration for Bettcher. Tomlinson isn't a natural nose tackle. I kind of assumed he would join Hill and McIntosh in the 5-tech rotation this year, with Edwards/Mauro/Wynn likely gone, and move inside in four-man fronts. (A real replacement for Harrison at NT is needed anyway, via FA or draft.) But maybe Tomlinson is stuck between positions in this defense, in which case he could be trade bait.

While it would be weird for a team with so little defensive talent to deal a player with Tomlinson's skills, it wouldn't be a shock in the context of the other moves.

they traded OBJ to get another 1st rd pick this year because they have plans that required 2 picks, or because they decided ro trade him and got the beat deal out there.

In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:

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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019

God, I hope not. I love Eli but they can’t be hostage to the guy for Christ sakes. Long past time to move on.

You said theres a lot of stuff with Odell thr media doesnt know sbout. can you confirm Anita Marks comments about Odell telling Shurmur “f*ck you” during the Eagles game? Ive talked to other media members on thr beat and theyve never heard of this. I just find it steange that it hasnt been reported anywhere else.

In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:

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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019

And after a year of being pissed off about this angle- in particular the last week- it’s time to let it go .... embrace the improved OL- hope Eli goes out in better light- and still hope they address the qb succession in some capacity this year.
The hurdle is so low to be better for the team and for Eli- it shouldn’t be hard for upside surprise

You need to get the 2020 QBs out of your head. We won’t be in range and Odell was last big chip to make a move in draft.

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I like it. They owe him that much.

Owe? Around Week 12 of the 2019 season, Eli Manning's career earnings will surpass his brother's, making him the highest-paid player in the history of football. If Eli restores his Hall of Fame credentials in 2019, that will be a nice fringe benefit of a successful rebuild. But his image and legacy should not be a consideration, let alone a major one.

jtgiants: Thank you for the ongoing flow of information.

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In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said: Quote: Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019 God, I hope not. I love Eli but they can’t be hostage to the guy for Christ sakes. Long past time to move on.

You have seen zero player leaks- only front office ones- no comments from Eli post trade, and the team gave money to a vet wr and trade for a vet OL-
The positive is the cap is set up for the future and we have a lot of picks - which is what I will hang my hat on- along with peppers

In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:

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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019

That’s really going to be on Eli to change that perception. I hope he can, but I have my doubts. This isn’t about missing open receivers running free or getting happy feet in the pocket, although those are big issues. This is about leading a team of men on the field. He hasn’t shown that in quite some time. Maybe that was part of the thinking on Beckham’s trade. Hard to be the alpha in such a quiet way with Odell on the team. Odell was Alpha. Now he’s a Brown.

In comment 14338813 UberAlias said:

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I guess I should phrase it differently- the shit is out of my control so I’ll stop whining about it - keep my opinion but not let it piss me off

and acquired one with an injury...the more things change, the more they stay the same...

As for Golden Tate, he did nothing nothing against us in the second Eagle game.....against our secondary?

Another head scratcher acquisition by DG....he is not going to make you forget OBj.....he is Shepard, but older.....

It does make you wonder what direction this team is headed in....

But when the QB is an after thought in your rebuild plan in a QB driven leave, its hard to get on board with the thinking. And KL was a draft pick pissed away. Half measures don’t work.

Good advice. I should try the same.

Can you just clarify #2? It’s early I can’t figure out what you mean there!

And Golden is a player as is Peppers, and Tate will be a 1b if you will for the first time in his career and he should flourish here.

Also any updates on Hogan?