1. Well know on Remmers, one way or the other, by this afternoon.
2.were not do nb e on defense. Golden was a big get but we aren't done.
3. Have the Giants made there last trade? Hmmmm
4. I've said this for days. Giants honestly want to win. This year. There on a mission. They believe there better without Beckham then with him. Him not playing at the end of last season was truly the final straw but there's more the media doesn't know
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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019
God, I hope not. I love Eli but they can’t be hostage to the guy for Christ sakes. Long past time to move on.
You have seen zero player leaks- only front office ones- no comments from Eli post trade, and the team gave money to a vet wr and trade for a vet OL-
The positive is the cap is set up for the future and we have a lot of picks - which is what I will hang my hat on- along with peppers
So you are saying that you aren't going to retire from asshattery as you mentioned the other day? You and Peppers are gearing up for the draft?
It sure seems like it. If this whole thing blows up on them and they don’t come close to the playoffs (like I believe will hsppen), this regime has to be shown the door.
As for Golden Tate,...
he is Shepard, but older.....
I truncated your response for the likely answer to JT's #3 item re: trades aren't done. Shep is on the last year of his contract. If there is no intention of signing him to an extension, then they might as well get something in return. Next year with over $100M in cap space to spend, any acquisitions will negate any players that leave for comp pick considerations.
Appreciate all the info that you have shared over the years.
Thanks, JT. We all appreciate the information.
So if they finish say 8-8, or 9-7 and make the playoffs, they've also killed their chances for a shot at a 2020 QB. They need to get a young franchise QB this year then.
Having said that, I certainly hope Mara and DG are ready for the derision if they have a press conference and talk about competing for the playoffs this year. Outside of the Giants offices I don’t think anyone believes that is likely. This was a bad roster last year and is arguably worse now, with the exception of adding a quality player to the Oline.
It seems they are gambling a lot on getting significant impacts from rookies and a career resurgence of a declining QB.
Darby, Berry, Houston, Barrett, Ansah.
As for Golden Tate, he did nothing nothing against us in the second Eagle game.....against our secondary?
You have to love this logic. Tate has multiple 90+ catch, 1000+ yard seasons but it’s what he did against us in the second Eagles game that defines his talent. Can’t make this stuff up.
And more proof, despite attempts to spin otherwise by those who believe in the competency of Jints Central, they really are all-in on Eli.
There is NO rational reason to bring him back if you factor in age, production, skill erosion, and cap commitment. You have to bend and twist reality to support this idiocy.
I really hope that the idea of redeeming Eli’s reputation is just a spin on the decision to keep him. If they are really letting nostalgia and a players reputation guide their team building (which I don’t doubt), they don’t belong in the NFL.
Can you imagine the reaction if at the draft press conference they announced that they are trying to redeem Eli’s reputation?
If he hadnt had multiple games without a TD at the beginning of the season we would be talking about last year as one of his best statistical seasons.
Don't get it twisted... 2nd year in PS offense and now with a WR that doesn't drop the ball... I agree with JT that the offense will be fine this year.
That defense though. Woof. Bring on the draft.
Personally I hope it’s Rosen for a 3rd but what’s the most probable direction ?
And more proof, despite attempts to spin otherwise by those who believe in the competency of Jints Central, they really are all-in on Eli.
There is NO rational reason to bring him back if you factor in age, production, skill erosion, and cap commitment. You have to bend and twist reality to support this idiocy.
I wanted Eli gone last year, but there are plenty of reasons to bring him back. First there aren't any better options out there. At least when you factor in the contracts. Yes I think Foles is better right now, but it was going to take a much much bigger commitment to keep Foles. They want a mentor for a young QB. Not many better then Eli in teaching a guy how to be an NFL QB. Eli's cap hit isn't preventing the team from making moves. So why not just stick with him for a year let him mentor a young QB and let him finish his career as a Giant. He's won us two SBs and is the best QB in franchise history. He deserves that.
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He’s the only QB we have! And almost no matter what he will be the best QB on the team next year. It’s not that hard to understand.
There is a draft coming up, BTW.
Yes, there is and I hope they get a QB at #6 or higher in that draft and Eli will still be the best QB on the team.
This is straight up delusional and extremely frightening if the front office thinks this. Holy lack of self awareness. This defense is embarrassingly bad right now, the QB is shot, the line is still a question mark, they lack outside receivers and the coach hasn’t proved anything.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.
And to win enough games (6) that they ensure they can’t draft his replacement
I wanted Eli gone last year, but there are plenty of reasons to bring him back. First there aren't any better options out there. At least when you factor in the contracts. Yes I think Foles is better right now, but it was going to take a much much bigger commitment to keep Foles. They want a mentor for a young QB. Not many better then Eli in teaching a guy how to be an NFL QB. Eli's cap hit isn't preventing the team from making moves. So why not just stick with him for a year let him mentor a young QB and let him finish his career as a Giant. He's won us two SBs and is the best QB in franchise history. He deserves that.
Just a few counters here...
There are many options. Unfortunately, people make the mistake thinking the option has to perform better than Eli to be acceptable. That’s flawed. The purpose is to get into the transition to get the most important thing for a new QB - experience. It’s critical.
Saving $17M+ in cap seems material to me.
I don’t understand why it’s presumed Eli would be this great mentor. The QB coach is paid to be the real mentor. He teaches everything- preparation, strategy, fundamentals, techniques, etc. Ask Steve Young if he learned more from Montana or Holmgren.
As soon as you use terms like “Eli deserves it” you become the exact type of fan Mara targets to buy-in.
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He’s the only QB we have! And almost no matter what he will be the best QB on the team next year. It’s not that hard to understand.
There is a draft coming up, BTW.
Yes, there is and I hope they get a QB at #6 or higher in that draft and Eli will still be the best QB on the team.
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I wanted Eli gone last year, but there are plenty of reasons to bring him back. First there aren't any better options out there. At least when you factor in the contracts. Yes I think Foles is better right now, but it was going to take a much much bigger commitment to keep Foles. They want a mentor for a young QB. Not many better then Eli in teaching a guy how to be an NFL QB. Eli's cap hit isn't preventing the team from making moves. So why not just stick with him for a year let him mentor a young QB and let him finish his career as a Giant. He's won us two SBs and is the best QB in franchise history. He deserves that.
Just a few counters here...
There are many options. Unfortunately, people make the mistake thinking the option has to perform better than Eli to be acceptable. That’s flawed. The purpose is to get into the transition to get the most important thing for a new QB - experience. It’s critical.
Saving $17M+ in cap seems material to me.
I don’t understand why it’s presumed Eli would be this great mentor. The QB coach is paid to be the real mentor. He teaches everything- preparation, strategy, fundamentals, techniques, etc. Ask Steve Young if he learned more from Montana or Holmgren.
As soon as you use terms like “Eli deserves it” you become the exact type of fan Mara targets to buy-in.
Many options yet you don't state a single one. Whose a better option?
Go ask 100s of former or current NFL players and see who taught them how to be a better pro both on and off the field. I have. Majority will say teammates help the most.
Darby, Berry, Houston, Barrett, Ansah.
I would add Danny Shelton to that list; a true run stuffing nose tackle, a good young replacement for Harrison. Less a name, more a player.
Let's pretend that Gettleman is right and the things he is doing improve the team. What QB is going to be available at 10 or 11 next year? Or does that when the real rebuild start?
2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
Was nice knowing you, Sterling!
2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
Thanks again, jt!
I know you probably won’t (or can’t) confirm, but #3 screams “Sterling Shepard” to me. At times he looked like mini-Odell on the bench.
2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
Damn, now that is some information right there.
3rd and a 5th?
As it should be. The guy is viewed as trash. Played behind a completely dysfunctional offensive line for half the season and was battered. THE GUY CAN PLAY!! Nobody is screaming for Rivers or Big Ben to retire due to age. Give him time and he will pick you apart.
Not surprised you missed this one also. The question never was “Is Beckham a diva?” The questions were “Did his negative impact outweigh his production on the field?” And “Were these distractions to teammates or simply Mara?” None of those questions have been put to bed.
3rd and a 5th?
How many more mid round draft picks do we need this year? If they are going to trade him, go for the 2020 picks.
I guess with the Tate signing, SS is definitely expendable. Still need someone on the outside.
2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
Re: #3, which makes the Golden Tate signing make even more sense.