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jtgiants : 3/15/2019 1:29 am
1. Well know on Remmers, one way or the other, by this afternoon.

2.were not do nb e on defense. Golden was a big get but we aren't done.

3. Have the Giants made there last trade? Hmmmm

4. I've said this for days. Giants honestly want to win. This year. There on a mission. They believe there better without Beckham then with him. Him not playing at the end of last season was truly the final straw but there's more the media doesn't know
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Btw jt  
hitdog42 : 3/15/2019 5:26 am : link
Thx for the nuggets this year
Great stuff guys  
UberAlias : 3/15/2019 5:29 am : link
Thanks for sharing.
RE: RE: RE: Basicallly everything  
Diver_Down : 3/15/2019 5:52 am : link
In comment 14338814 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 14338807 UberAlias said:


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In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:


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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019

God, I hope not. I love Eli but they can’t be hostage to the guy for Christ sakes. Long past time to move on.



You have seen zero player leaks- only front office ones- no comments from Eli post trade, and the team gave money to a vet wr and trade for a vet OL-
The positive is the cap is set up for the future and we have a lot of picks - which is what I will hang my hat on- along with peppers


So you are saying that you aren't going to retire from asshattery as you mentioned the other day? You and Peppers are gearing up for the draft?
RE: Basicallly everything  
The_Boss : 3/15/2019 5:53 am : link
In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:
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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019


It sure seems like it. If this whole thing blows up on them and they don’t come close to the playoffs (like I believe will hsppen), this regime has to be shown the door.
Archie Manning made a phone call to Mara  
UberAlias : 3/15/2019 5:57 am : link
When he heard about the benching. The trajectory took a big turn on that day and has remained on a different path since.
RE: We traded away a guy who couldn't stay on the field  
Diver_Down : 3/15/2019 5:58 am : link
In comment 14338818 Doomster said:
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As for Golden Tate,...
he is Shepard, but older.....



I truncated your response for the likely answer to JT's #3 item re: trades aren't done. Shep is on the last year of his contract. If there is no intention of signing him to an extension, then they might as well get something in return. Next year with over $100M in cap space to spend, any acquisitions will negate any players that leave for comp pick considerations.
jtgiants  
Saos1n : 3/15/2019 5:59 am : link
I’m gonna guess Clay Matthews or Justin Houston
Still retired diver  
hitdog42 : 3/15/2019 6:01 am : link
Early retirement
RE: Still retired diver  
Diver_Down : 3/15/2019 6:06 am : link
In comment 14338837 hitdog42 said:
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Early retirement


Appreciate all the info that you have shared over the years.
RE: JT, just want to say thanks for all the info  
Diver_Down : 3/15/2019 6:08 am : link
In comment 14338781 montanagiant said:
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Appreciate it greatly.


Thanks, JT. We all appreciate the information.
Jt  
Chris684 : 3/15/2019 6:22 am : link
You DA man!
JT thank you for the info.  
Watson : 3/15/2019 6:23 am : link
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RE: Shockey  
GFAN52 : 3/15/2019 6:57 am : link
In comment 14338789 jtgiants said:
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Yyou can disagree but Giants are of different mindset. Also the offensive line is much improved. Zeitler isn't good.....hes an all pro. Also the offense did very well without Beckham to end the year. On that your wrong. Either way they belie c.f. e they can contend for playoffs this year


So if they finish say 8-8, or 9-7 and make the playoffs, they've also killed their chances for a shot at a 2020 QB. They need to get a young franchise QB this year then.
jt  
YANKEE28 : 3/15/2019 7:05 am : link
Chances of seeing Kerry Wynn and Josh Mauro returning to Big Blue?
As always, huge Thank You  
Mike from Ohio : 3/15/2019 7:08 am : link
To jtgiants and hitdog for all of the information this year and in year’s past. This is great stuff and is much appreciated!

Having said that, I certainly hope Mara and DG are ready for the derision if they have a press conference and talk about competing for the playoffs this year. Outside of the Giants offices I don’t think anyone believes that is likely. This was a bad roster last year and is arguably worse now, with the exception of adding a quality player to the Oline.

It seems they are gambling a lot on getting significant impacts from rookies and a career resurgence of a declining QB.
Few  
Jon in NYC : 3/15/2019 7:11 am : link
pieces on D that could be needle movers:

Darby, Berry, Houston, Barrett, Ansah.
RE: We traded away a guy who couldn't stay on the field  
BillT : 3/15/2019 7:14 am : link
In comment 14338818 Doomster said:
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As for Golden Tate, he did nothing nothing against us in the second Eagle game.....against our secondary?


You have to love this logic. Tate has multiple 90+ catch, 1000+ yard seasons but it’s what he did against us in the second Eagles game that defines his talent. Can’t make this stuff up.
We don't owe Eli anything  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/15/2019 7:15 am : link
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And here’s what people seem to be missing about the Eli thing  
BillT : 3/15/2019 7:19 am : link
He’s the only QB we have! And almost no matter what he will be the best QB on the team next year. It’s not that hard to understand.
RE: And here’s what people seem to be missing about the Eli thing  
UberAlias : 3/15/2019 7:29 am : link
In comment 14338895 BillT said:
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He’s the only QB we have! And almost no matter what he will be the best QB on the team next year. It’s not that hard to understand.
There is a draft coming up, BTW.
Oh...  
bw in dc : 3/15/2019 7:30 am : link
I firmly believe this organization is delusional enough to plan for #4.

And more proof, despite attempts to spin otherwise by those who believe in the competency of Jints Central, they really are all-in on Eli.

There is NO rational reason to bring him back if you factor in age, production, skill erosion, and cap commitment. You have to bend and twist reality to support this idiocy.


RE: We don't owe Eli anything  
Mike from Ohio : 3/15/2019 7:39 am : link
In comment 14338887 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I really hope that the idea of redeeming Eli’s reputation is just a spin on the decision to keep him. If they are really letting nostalgia and a players reputation guide their team building (which I don’t doubt), they don’t belong in the NFL.

Can you imagine the reaction if at the draft press conference they announced that they are trying to redeem Eli’s reputation?
I think we can all agree that it's time to look for Eli's replacement.  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/15/2019 7:42 am : link
That being said. He was top 10 in yards with 4300 and 66% pass completions.

If he hadnt had multiple games without a TD at the beginning of the season we would be talking about last year as one of his best statistical seasons.

Don't get it twisted... 2nd year in PS offense and now with a WR that doesn't drop the ball... I agree with JT that the offense will be fine this year.

That defense though. Woof. Bring on the draft.
So far I’m good with what DG has done ...  
Spider56 : 3/15/2019 7:43 am : link
Still to go ... sign a FA RT and load up on best available D players in the draft. ... but ... what’s the thinking on the heir to Eli?
Personally I hope it’s Rosen for a 3rd but what’s the most probable direction ?
RE: Oh...  
Big Rick in FL : 3/15/2019 7:45 am : link
In comment 14338914 bw in dc said:
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I firmly believe this organization is delusional enough to plan for #4.

And more proof, despite attempts to spin otherwise by those who believe in the competency of Jints Central, they really are all-in on Eli.

There is NO rational reason to bring him back if you factor in age, production, skill erosion, and cap commitment. You have to bend and twist reality to support this idiocy.



I wanted Eli gone last year, but there are plenty of reasons to bring him back. First there aren't any better options out there. At least when you factor in the contracts. Yes I think Foles is better right now, but it was going to take a much much bigger commitment to keep Foles. They want a mentor for a young QB. Not many better then Eli in teaching a guy how to be an NFL QB. Eli's cap hit isn't preventing the team from making moves. So why not just stick with him for a year let him mentor a young QB and let him finish his career as a Giant. He's won us two SBs and is the best QB in franchise history. He deserves that.
Thanks again JT!  
OBJRoyal : 3/15/2019 8:02 am : link
The updates and rumors are much appreciated. Keeps me checking my phone all day!!
RE: RE: And here’s what people seem to be missing about the Eli thing  
BillT : 3/15/2019 8:08 am : link
In comment 14338910 UberAlias said:
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In comment 14338895 BillT said:


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He’s the only QB we have! And almost no matter what he will be the best QB on the team next year. It’s not that hard to understand.

There is a draft coming up, BTW.

Yes, there is and I hope they get a QB at #6 or higher in that draft and Eli will still be the best QB on the team.
RE: Shockey  
Justlurking : 3/15/2019 8:10 am : link
In comment 14338789 jtgiants said:
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Yyou can disagree but Giants are of different mindset. Also the offensive line is much improved. Zeitler isn't good.....hes an all pro. Also the offense did very well without Beckham to end the year. On that your wrong. Either way they belie c.f. e they can contend for playoffs this year


This is straight up delusional and extremely frightening if the front office thinks this. Holy lack of self awareness. This defense is embarrassingly bad right now, the QB is shot, the line is still a question mark, they lack outside receivers and the coach hasn’t proved anything.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results.
RE: Basicallly everything  
Justlurking : 3/15/2019 8:11 am : link
In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:
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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019


And to win enough games (6) that they ensure they can’t draft his replacement
RE: RE: Oh...  
bw in dc : 3/15/2019 8:15 am : link
In comment 14338962 Big Rick in FL said:
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I wanted Eli gone last year, but there are plenty of reasons to bring him back. First there aren't any better options out there. At least when you factor in the contracts. Yes I think Foles is better right now, but it was going to take a much much bigger commitment to keep Foles. They want a mentor for a young QB. Not many better then Eli in teaching a guy how to be an NFL QB. Eli's cap hit isn't preventing the team from making moves. So why not just stick with him for a year let him mentor a young QB and let him finish his career as a Giant. He's won us two SBs and is the best QB in franchise history. He deserves that.


Just a few counters here...

There are many options. Unfortunately, people make the mistake thinking the option has to perform better than Eli to be acceptable. That’s flawed. The purpose is to get into the transition to get the most important thing for a new QB - experience. It’s critical.

Saving $17M+ in cap seems material to me.

I don’t understand why it’s presumed Eli would be this great mentor. The QB coach is paid to be the real mentor. He teaches everything- preparation, strategy, fundamentals, techniques, etc. Ask Steve Young if he learned more from Montana or Holmgren.

As soon as you use terms like “Eli deserves it” you become the exact type of fan Mara targets to buy-in.
RE: RE: RE: And here’s what people seem to be missing about the Eli thing  
UberAlias : 3/15/2019 8:36 am : link
In comment 14339010 BillT said:
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In comment 14338910 UberAlias said:


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In comment 14338895 BillT said:


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He’s the only QB we have! And almost no matter what he will be the best QB on the team next year. It’s not that hard to understand.

There is a draft coming up, BTW.


Yes, there is and I hope they get a QB at #6 or higher in that draft and Eli will still be the best QB on the team.
No issues for me with Eli starting. Provided there’s urgency to land his successor and no half assed measures.
RE: RE: RE: Oh...  
Big Rick in FL : 3/15/2019 8:38 am : link
In comment 14339033 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14338962 Big Rick in FL said:


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I wanted Eli gone last year, but there are plenty of reasons to bring him back. First there aren't any better options out there. At least when you factor in the contracts. Yes I think Foles is better right now, but it was going to take a much much bigger commitment to keep Foles. They want a mentor for a young QB. Not many better then Eli in teaching a guy how to be an NFL QB. Eli's cap hit isn't preventing the team from making moves. So why not just stick with him for a year let him mentor a young QB and let him finish his career as a Giant. He's won us two SBs and is the best QB in franchise history. He deserves that.



Just a few counters here...

There are many options. Unfortunately, people make the mistake thinking the option has to perform better than Eli to be acceptable. That’s flawed. The purpose is to get into the transition to get the most important thing for a new QB - experience. It’s critical.

Saving $17M+ in cap seems material to me.

I don’t understand why it’s presumed Eli would be this great mentor. The QB coach is paid to be the real mentor. He teaches everything- preparation, strategy, fundamentals, techniques, etc. Ask Steve Young if he learned more from Montana or Holmgren.

As soon as you use terms like “Eli deserves it” you become the exact type of fan Mara targets to buy-in.


Many options yet you don't state a single one. Whose a better option?

Go ask 100s of former or current NFL players and see who taught them how to be a better pro both on and off the field. I have. Majority will say teammates help the most.
RE: Few  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/15/2019 8:42 am : link
In comment 14338883 Jon in NYC said:
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pieces on D that could be needle movers:

Darby, Berry, Houston, Barrett, Ansah.


I would add Danny Shelton to that list; a true run stuffing nose tackle, a good young replacement for Harrison. Less a name, more a player.
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arcarsenal : 3/15/2019 8:46 am : link
I'm fine with the team trying to win this year EXCEPT  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/15/2019 8:47 am : link
if its at the expense of getting a replacement for Eli. Choosing the QB is the hardest and most important thing in football. If you can't figure out how to do it when you've got all these assets now, when do you do it?

Let's pretend that Gettleman is right and the things he is doing improve the team. What QB is going to be available at 10 or 11 next year? Or does that when the real rebuild start?
A couple of things  
jtgiants : 3/15/2019 8:54 am : link
1. Beckham on more than one occasion told Shurmer to duck off. Shurmer was his biggest ally. He caused his own problem there.

2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported

3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
RE: A couple of things  
arcarsenal : 3/15/2019 8:57 am : link
In comment 14339144 jtgiants said:
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1. Beckham on more than one occasion told Shurmer to duck off. Shurmer was his biggest ally. He caused his own problem there.

2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported

3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint


Was nice knowing you, Sterling!
sounds  
Steve in Greenwich : 3/15/2019 8:57 am : link
like Shepard may be the trade ....
jt you are a breath of fresh air...  
Chris684 : 3/15/2019 8:57 am : link
Goodbye Shep!

Bye bye  
dep026 : 3/15/2019 8:58 am : link
Sterling...
Also...  
Chris684 : 3/15/2019 8:59 am : link
I think we can finally put the Beckham was "no trouble" and a "good teammate" to bed once and for all.
RE: A couple of things  
Mike from Ohio : 3/15/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14339144 jtgiants said:
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1. Beckham on more than one occasion told Shurmer to duck off. Shurmer was his biggest ally. He caused his own problem there.

2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported

3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint


Thanks again, jt!

I know you probably won’t (or can’t) confirm, but #3 screams “Sterling Shepard” to me. At times he looked like mini-Odell on the bench.
RE: A couple of things  
Eli Wilson : 3/15/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14339144 jtgiants said:
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1. Beckham on more than one occasion told Shurmer to duck off. Shurmer was his biggest ally. He caused his own problem there.

2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported

3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint


Damn, now that is some information right there.
Is 'duck off' the same as  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/15/2019 9:02 am : link
F off?
What could we get for SS?  
dep026 : 3/15/2019 9:02 am : link
1 year left. Better blocker than WR.

3rd and a 5th?
RE: Basicallly everything  
BlueHurricane : 3/15/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:
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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019


As it should be. The guy is viewed as trash. Played behind a completely dysfunctional offensive line for half the season and was battered. THE GUY CAN PLAY!! Nobody is screaming for Rivers or Big Ben to retire due to age. Give him time and he will pick you apart.
RE: Also...  
Mike from Ohio : 3/15/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14339158 Chris684 said:
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I think we can finally put the Beckham was "no trouble" and a "good teammate" to bed once and for all.


Not surprised you missed this one also. The question never was “Is Beckham a diva?” The questions were “Did his negative impact outweigh his production on the field?” And “Were these distractions to teammates or simply Mara?” None of those questions have been put to bed.
RE: What could we get for SS?  
figgy2989 : 3/15/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14339168 dep026 said:
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1 year left. Better blocker than WR.

3rd and a 5th?


How many more mid round draft picks do we need this year? If they are going to trade him, go for the 2020 picks.

I guess with the Tate signing, SS is definitely expendable. Still need someone on the outside.
RE: A couple of things  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 9:06 am : link
In comment 14339144 jtgiants said:
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1. Beckham on more than one occasion told Shurmer to duck off. Shurmer was his biggest ally. He caused his own problem there.

2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported

3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint


Re: #3, which makes the Golden Tate signing make even more sense.
Mike you're just mad dude  
Chris684 : 3/15/2019 9:06 am : link
get over it.
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