1. Well know on Remmers, one way or the other, by this afternoon.
2.were not do nb e on defense. Golden was a big get but we aren't done.
3. Have the Giants made there last trade? Hmmmm
4. I've said this for days. Giants honestly want to win. This year. There on a mission. They believe there better without Beckham then with him. Him not playing at the end of last season was truly the final straw but there's more the media doesn't know
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Another 3rd round pick? I’d be on board with that.
I'd be shocked and thrilled w that. 5th or 6th sounds more like the right price.
I'd be furious if my team traded a 3rd rounder for SS.
They can get more than a 5th for Shep next offseason as a comp pick.
As of now we are due to lead the league in cap space next off season. I think it’s a safe bet to assume we are going to be spending too much money on free agency next spring to be thinking about comp picks for any free agents we let leave.
yes. Wonder why he's still available.
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Another 3rd round pick? I’d be on board with that.
I'd be shocked and thrilled w that. 5th or 6th sounds more like the right price.
I'd be furious if my team traded a 3rd rounder for SS.
They can get more than a 5th for Shep next offseason as a comp pick.
I don't see them getting a compensatory 3rd, personally. So maybe we aren't far off.
Future 4th ballpark about as valuable as a present 5th or 6th plus some cap space?
Try for a 2. Settle for a 3rd. Nothing less. We don’t want to end up running rounds 4 and 5.
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Another 3rd round pick? I’d be on board with that.
Try for a 2. Settle for a 3rd. Nothing less. We don’t want to end up running rounds 4 and 5.
I could see a "bundle" situation...
And they said there was no plan.
Hoping to use that high pick on something else but agreed. Very likely can get a plug and play RT at 37.
Cooper was dealt for a 1st with one year (plus the option) remaining on his deal. Shepard doesn't have an option year (unless you count the franchise tag) but has 1 year remaining, at a much lower value than Cooper's was.
Performance wise, Shepard doesn't have the AA of Cooper but he's been a more consistent performer and some of his "peripherals" (notably yards/rec) have been trending up each year of his career. So while I doubt SS would net a 1st in a trade, I don't think a 2nd is that far off.
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they'd just wait till the draft and grab a tackle who can plug right in. It's a better tackle year than last year, where we got a great guard.
Hoping to use that high pick on something else but agreed. Very likely can get a plug and play RT at 37.
Agreed, but always nice to have Vet depth (but at the right price).
What a solid add that would be.
Agreed. Also why I hope Remmers comes in so we can also use an early pick on one of these red chip WRs in the draft.
Cooper was dealt for a 1st with one year (plus the option) remaining on his deal. Shepard doesn't have an option year (unless you count the franchise tag) but has 1 year remaining, at a much lower value than Cooper's was.
Performance wise, Shepard doesn't have the AA of Cooper but he's been a more consistent performer and some of his "peripherals" (notably yards/rec) have been trending up each year of his career. So while I doubt SS would net a 1st in a trade, I don't think a 2nd is that far off.
SS is likely considered a possession receiver who is a slot receiver. And when he had his opportunities with Odell injured, he never really blew anyone's doors off. I think realistically, his value is a 3rd or 4th. In which case, I look at a player for player trade instead of a pick. You have 12 picks already, I think getting more is starting to be an issue....unless the plan is to trade up in the first round to get a QB, and they need more assets to do so, and still have enough picks to fill the roster. You can't make 13 picks.
If we send out Shep we will need another WR to take his place. Preferably a vet and preferably a true down field threat.
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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019
If we send out Shep we will need another WR to take his place. Preferably a vet and preferably a true down field threat.
We have someone to take his place. His name is Golden Tate.
But yes, we do need another WR.
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I heard from someone in the know that he might be moved. If you start to piece together what the Giants are doing and win now, they have the picks to get him (he probably will cost similar to Brown). He's 31. The Giants could bring him in and give him an extension with the cap space they have next year. And it would go with the mantra the Giants are trying to win now. Personally, I'd pass, but if the Giants are shipping out Shepard, they aren't leaving Eli with too much to work with at WR.
Age & Injuries may not be worth the price...
I'd roll the dice on Green for a year or two deal. He could make a big impact for us.
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In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:
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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019
If we send out Shep we will need another WR to take his place. Preferably a vet and preferably a true down field threat.
We have someone to take his place. His name is Golden Tate.
But yes, we do need another WR.
And don’t forget COREY COLEMAN. He is only 24, has been injured a bit, but it appears he has finally found his home. I’m expecting him to bust out this year.
It’s time - ( New Window )
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I think the comp here is Cooper, not Beckham/Brown who had multiple years left on their deals, diva personalities, and in Brown's case is on the older side.
Cooper was dealt for a 1st with one year (plus the option) remaining on his deal. Shepard doesn't have an option year (unless you count the franchise tag) but has 1 year remaining, at a much lower value than Cooper's was.
Performance wise, Shepard doesn't have the AA of Cooper but he's been a more consistent performer and some of his "peripherals" (notably yards/rec) have been trending up each year of his career. So while I doubt SS would net a 1st in a trade, I don't think a 2nd is that far off.
SS is likely considered a possession receiver who is a slot receiver. And when he had his opportunities with Odell injured, he never really blew anyone's doors off. I think realistically, his value is a 3rd or 4th. In which case, I look at a player for player trade instead of a pick. You have 12 picks already, I think getting more is starting to be an issue....unless the plan is to trade up in the first round to get a QB, and they need more assets to do so, and still have enough picks to fill the roster. You can't make 13 picks.
Probably, but look at what those guys are now getting on the open market (Beasley, Crowder, Humphries, etc). And none of those guys are as good as Shepard.
re: all the picks - I'm hoping they're aggressive in the draft and use the extra mid/late picks to move up and get some highly ranked players on their board that slip a little. Maybe White drops to the 10-12 range (since ILBs often do) and they can trade 17 + 3rd (might need a little more) to get him. Or package the 3rd with a 4th/5th and move up higher in round 3. Or trade some of the Day 3 picks for extra picks in 2020.
Lots of flexibility, and once FA winds down, it'll be interesting to see how many roster spots are truly up for grabs.
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
That and the Tate acquisition doesn't sound good for Shep
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but I'd pause before we just run him out of town. He's a tough kid who I thought showed commitment to the team with his run blocking late in the season. Solid receiver who may get to another level with more opportunity now. He just might find that OBJ moving on was the best thing for him on and off the field.
As many know I am not a SS guy. But I do agree with this. I believe in 2nd chances, and who knows maybe Odell had a negative effect on him. There were times when he wasnt on the field that he did produce.
Really good post Kyle.
It isn't about second chances. In a wipe the culture clean scenario there are no second chances. Look at last off season where many of you say the Giants failed - they Kept Flowers and signed OBJ- both of those could be considered 2nd chances and they are both gone. The Giants won't make the same mistake again it appears and SS is not exactly upper echelon to begin with... The Patriots show the way in how to deal with things. In many ways, outside of Brady, they are like a college program, changing players out after just a few years...
It's hard to fall asleep while you're typing
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In comment 14338796 hitdog42 said:
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Is about Eli and restoring the perception of him in 2019
If we send out Shep we will need another WR to take his place. Preferably a vet and preferably a true down field threat.
We have someone to take his place. His name is Golden Tate.
But yes, we do need another WR.
And don’t forget COREY COLEMAN. He is only 24, has been injured a bit, but it appears he has finally found his home. I’m expecting him to bust out this year. It’s time - ( New Window )
Like Coleman. But 2 put your eggs in one basket on him would be high risk. Bring in another guy if we trade Shep and use Coleman as the 3rd WR.
You misread that also. I’m trying to help you out.
As long as they are mathematically alive. This team could be 0-7, mathematically alive, and still start Eli. It’s a joke.
You want tea leaves, here they are, assuming JT is right:
1) Shepard is gone. I assumed that anyway because he is redundant with Tate and DG has made it his goal to get rid of anyone with any ties to Reese;
2) The QB pick will be Daniel Jones. He looks like Manning. Has ties to Cutcliffe. Is Senior Bowl MVP (even though he was not good in that game). Eli has said he likes him and will work with him. He needs to sit a year. Oh, and if you want to win THIS YEAR, you need the six pick to come in and contribute immediately.
3) JT’s comments also suggest they are not all in on next year’s class anyway.
Look, this team is going to absolutely suck. I don’t care how much polish DAG tries to put on it. If he wants to put his eggs in the Eli and Jones baskets, let him; we’ll be in the Trevor Lawrence race in 2021. At that point, the coach and front office will also be gone, and we’ll fix this mess that DAG left us. Awesome.
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To be clear. I never said they wouldn't get another QB. What i have told you is as long as the Giants are mathmatically alive in a playoff race Eli will be the starter. Again. They want to win this year. Anyone they bring in will sit.
As long as they are mathematically alive. This team could be 0-7, mathematically alive, and still start Eli. It’s a joke.
You want tea leaves, here they are, assuming JT is right:
1) Shepard is gone. I assumed that anyway because he is redundant with Tate and DG has made it his goal to get rid of anyone with any ties to Reese;
2) The QB pick will be Daniel Jones. He looks like Manning. Has ties to Cutcliffe. Is Senior Bowl MVP (even though he was not good in that game). Eli has said he likes him and will work with him. He needs to sit a year. Oh, and if you want to win THIS YEAR, you need the six pick to come in and contribute immediately.
3) JT’s comments also suggest they are not all in on next year’s class anyway.
Look, this team is going to absolutely suck. I don’t care how much polish DAG tries to put on it. If he wants to put his eggs in the Eli and Jones baskets, let him; we’ll be in the Trevor Lawrence race in 2021. At that point, the coach and front office will also be gone, and we’ll fix this mess that DAG left us. Awesome.
This team isn't going to be nearly as bad as you think.
As for Shepard, I think the Tate signing made him expendable and the Giants aren't going to break the bank on him as a free agent.
Since getting another draft pick for him doesn't make much sense with 12 picks already, I'm thinking the Giants go to the Cardinals and offer Shepard and a 4th for Rosen. That way if they aren't going to go up for Murray, I still don't like any of the other QBs in this draft and they are pretty much the same risk/potential as Rosen. In this scenario, you keep all your high picks to fill in the roster with a huge infusion of talent.
Wow. Shep to the cards. A very QB friendly vet receiver for a team with little at receiver (besides a very very old Fitz).....wow....this in theory sounds like an excellent , excellent idea. You get Rosen back and give up a lesser pick. Would be a great, great get.
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To be clear. I never said they wouldn't get another QB. What i have told you is as long as the Giants are mathmatically alive in a playoff race Eli will be the starter. Again. They want to win this year. Anyone they bring in will sit.
As long as they are mathematically alive. This team could be 0-7, mathematically alive, and still start Eli. It’s a joke.
You want tea leaves, here they are, assuming JT is right:
1) Shepard is gone. I assumed that anyway because he is redundant with Tate and DG has made it his goal to get rid of anyone with any ties to Reese;
2) The QB pick will be Daniel Jones. He looks like Manning. Has ties to Cutcliffe. Is Senior Bowl MVP (even though he was not good in that game). Eli has said he likes him and will work with him. He needs to sit a year. Oh, and if you want to win THIS YEAR, you need the six pick to come in and contribute immediately.
3) JT’s comments also suggest they are not all in on next year’s class anyway.
Look, this team is going to absolutely suck. I don’t care how much polish DAG tries to put on it. If he wants to put his eggs in the Eli and Jones baskets, let him; we’ll be in the Trevor Lawrence race in 2021. At that point, the coach and front office will also be gone, and we’ll fix this mess that DAG left us. Awesome.
This team isn't going to be nearly as bad as you think.
Where have they improved? The defensive additions are basically a wash (and the defense was awful at the end of last year) and while we may have improved on the OL, we've gotten worse at the skill positions on offense.
Unless Gettleman hits on several rookies that start on day one, we will be the same team that went 5-11 last year.
Well JT has hit on stuff before , so I would say good chance this has some truth to it.
Let Eli have his send-off, fine, but thinking you can make the playoffs with 4-12 talent is just stupid. Making short-sighted moves to squeeze out a 6-10 season is absolutely the worst thing.
Ha ha. Sure, bud. Magical thinking.
Tate signing makes a world more sense with the color that Shepard could be the next one out the door.
And Tate playing at his top ceiling is better than Shepherd playing at his.
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In comment 14339280 jtgiants said:
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To be clear. I never said they wouldn't get another QB. What i have told you is as long as the Giants are mathmatically alive in a playoff race Eli will be the starter. Again. They want to win this year. Anyone they bring in will sit.
As long as they are mathematically alive. This team could be 0-7, mathematically alive, and still start Eli. It’s a joke.
You want tea leaves, here they are, assuming JT is right:
1) Shepard is gone. I assumed that anyway because he is redundant with Tate and DG has made it his goal to get rid of anyone with any ties to Reese;
2) The QB pick will be Daniel Jones. He looks like Manning. Has ties to Cutcliffe. Is Senior Bowl MVP (even though he was not good in that game). Eli has said he likes him and will work with him. He needs to sit a year. Oh, and if you want to win THIS YEAR, you need the six pick to come in and contribute immediately.
3) JT’s comments also suggest they are not all in on next year’s class anyway.
Look, this team is going to absolutely suck. I don’t care how much polish DAG tries to put on it. If he wants to put his eggs in the Eli and Jones baskets, let him; we’ll be in the Trevor Lawrence race in 2021. At that point, the coach and front office will also be gone, and we’ll fix this mess that DAG left us. Awesome.
This team isn't going to be nearly as bad as you think.
Where have they improved? The defensive additions are basically a wash (and the defense was awful at the end of last year) and while we may have improved on the OL, we've gotten worse at the skill positions on offense.
Unless Gettleman hits on several rookies that start on day one, we will be the same team that went 5-11 last year.
No, they're better @ Safety now than they were before.
The offensive line can potentially be significantly better if they add Remmers + draft an OT @ 17.
We have a ton of draft stock right now - flexibility to move up if we want our QB now and add talent.
This won't be the same team you saw last year.
It's not going to be a Super Bowl contender, either - but this team will be better than last year's.
We haven't even finished building this year's team yet.
How much worse have we really gotten at the skill positions if we go WR early in the draft + having added Tate?
Beckham has missed 16 games in the last 2 seasons. He can't help us if he's not playing. Tate doesn't miss games.
Shep + a pick for Rosen makes alot of sense here. If Cards are considering Murray, a QB friendly slot WR would be very helpful.
I would LOVE it if we could get him. I watch almost every Bronco game and that guy seems to produce every time he gets on the field.
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about a Shep trade, Gettleman seems to really like player for player deals. Wouldn't surprise me if they went offense for defense here.
Shep + a pick for Rosen makes alot of sense here. If Cards are considering Murray, a QB friendly slot WR would be very helpful.
AZ has Christian Kirk - same kinda player as Shep... Btw, I would take Kirk in a package deal for Rosen in a heartbeat.
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In comment 14339609 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14339280 jtgiants said:
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To be clear. I never said they wouldn't get another QB. What i have told you is as long as the Giants are mathmatically alive in a playoff race Eli will be the starter. Again. They want to win this year. Anyone they bring in will sit.
As long as they are mathematically alive. This team could be 0-7, mathematically alive, and still start Eli. It’s a joke.
You want tea leaves, here they are, assuming JT is right:
1) Shepard is gone. I assumed that anyway because he is redundant with Tate and DG has made it his goal to get rid of anyone with any ties to Reese;
2) The QB pick will be Daniel Jones. He looks like Manning. Has ties to Cutcliffe. Is Senior Bowl MVP (even though he was not good in that game). Eli has said he likes him and will work with him. He needs to sit a year. Oh, and if you want to win THIS YEAR, you need the six pick to come in and contribute immediately.
3) JT’s comments also suggest they are not all in on next year’s class anyway.
Look, this team is going to absolutely suck. I don’t care how much polish DAG tries to put on it. If he wants to put his eggs in the Eli and Jones baskets, let him; we’ll be in the Trevor Lawrence race in 2021. At that point, the coach and front office will also be gone, and we’ll fix this mess that DAG left us. Awesome.
This team isn't going to be nearly as bad as you think.
Where have they improved? The defensive additions are basically a wash (and the defense was awful at the end of last year) and while we may have improved on the OL, we've gotten worse at the skill positions on offense.
Unless Gettleman hits on several rookies that start on day one, we will be the same team that went 5-11 last year.
No, they're better @ Safety now than they were before.
The offensive line can potentially be significantly better if they add Remmers + draft an OT @ 17.
We have a ton of draft stock right now - flexibility to move up if we want our QB now and add talent.
This won't be the same team you saw last year.
It's not going to be a Super Bowl contender, either - but this team will be better than last year's.
We haven't even finished building this year's team yet.
How much worse have we really gotten at the skill positions if we go WR early in the draft + having added Tate?
Beckham has missed 16 games in the last 2 seasons. He can't help us if he's not playing. Tate doesn't miss games.
They are cheaper at FS, but it remains to be seen whether they are better. Peppers has one sack and two interceptions for his career. He didn't exactly set it on fire last year.
We have improved on the OL, probably. They may be a better offense. But Tate is decent, but there's a reason he's on his fourth team. He's nothing to write home about.
On defense, we still have major holes at EDGE, CB, NT, FS and probably LB, given that Ogletree can't cover. If we're counting on the draft to fill all these positions right away, good luck.
So he's better than Collins, but only if you know the secret password.
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In comment 14339280 jtgiants said:
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To be clear. I never said they wouldn't get another QB. What i have told you is as long as the Giants are mathmatically alive in a playoff race Eli will be the starter. Again. They want to win this year. Anyone they bring in will sit.
As long as they are mathematically alive. This team could be 0-7, mathematically alive, and still start Eli. It’s a joke.
You want tea leaves, here they are, assuming JT is right:
1) Shepard is gone. I assumed that anyway because he is redundant with Tate and DG has made it his goal to get rid of anyone with any ties to Reese;
2) The QB pick will be Daniel Jones. He looks like Manning. Has ties to Cutcliffe. Is Senior Bowl MVP (even though he was not good in that game). Eli has said he likes him and will work with him. He needs to sit a year. Oh, and if you want to win THIS YEAR, you need the six pick to come in and contribute immediately.
3) JT’s comments also suggest they are not all in on next year’s class anyway.
Look, this team is going to absolutely suck. I don’t care how much polish DAG tries to put on it. If he wants to put his eggs in the Eli and Jones baskets, let him; we’ll be in the Trevor Lawrence race in 2021. At that point, the coach and front office will also be gone, and we’ll fix this mess that DAG left us. Awesome.
This team isn't going to be nearly as bad as you think.
Where have they improved? The defensive additions are basically a wash (and the defense was awful at the end of last year) and while we may have improved on the OL, we've gotten worse at the skill positions on offense.
Unless Gettleman hits on several rookies that start on day one, we will be the same team that went 5-11 last year.
No, they're better @ Safety now than they were before.
The offensive line can potentially be significantly better if they add Remmers + draft an OT @ 17.
We have a ton of draft stock right now - flexibility to move up if we want our QB now and add talent.
This won't be the same team you saw last year.
It's not going to be a Super Bowl contender, either - but this team will be better than last year's.
We haven't even finished building this year's team yet.
How much worse have we really gotten at the skill positions if we go WR early in the draft + having added Tate?
Beckham has missed 16 games in the last 2 seasons. He can't help us if he's not playing. Tate doesn't miss games.
Are there subliminal messages that I’m missing? How are people buying into this bull crap? This team is awful. Horrid. We are not better than last year. We are not improved. Bethea is certainly better than Riley, who was the worst NFL safety.
But if you can’t see that this team stinks, I don’t know what to tell you. You will once this team goes 4-12 or 3-13 again.
But, don't let that stop you from the hysterics and hyperbole because you're not getting what you want.
You sound more like an angry teenager than a football fan capable of logic and rationality.
Have at it.
You'll figure it out eventually.
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Looking at Jabrill Peppers' stats page isn't going to teach you anything about him. I'd suggest doing a bit of a deeper dive than that...
So he's better than Collins, but only if you know the secret password.
Collins averaged 2 INTs and 1 sack over 4 years. And if you take out 2016..... he averaged 0 sacks and 1 INT in the other 3 years. Earth shattering play, right?