1. Well know on Remmers, one way or the other, by this afternoon.
2.were not do nb e on defense. Golden was a big get but we aren't done.
3. Have the Giants made there last trade? Hmmmm
4. I've said this for days. Giants honestly want to win. This year. There on a mission. They believe there better without Beckham then with him. Him not playing at the end of last season was truly the final straw but there's more the media doesn't know
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Looking at Jabrill Peppers' stats page isn't going to teach you anything about him. I'd suggest doing a bit of a deeper dive than that...
So he's better than Collins, but only if you know the secret password.
Nope, you just have to know a little bit about football.
It's not rocket science.
There were some pretty informative posts here on Peppers recently - I'd suggest you read them rather than continue to post keyboard diarrhea here because you're unhappy with the direction of the team and would prefer to throw a tantrum over it.
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Looking at Jabrill Peppers' stats page isn't going to teach you anything about him. I'd suggest doing a bit of a deeper dive than that...
So he's better than Collins, but only if you know the secret password.
For one thing, PFF had Peppers rated as the 29th best coverage safety (so middle of the pack starter) vs Collins who was rated 64th. Teams pass the ball ~60% of the time now. There was also an article posted yesterday about the significant improvement Peppers made from year 1 to year 2 in recognizing coverages and playing as the deep safety. You gotta remember that he played down in the box most of the time at Michigan and so it shouldn't be surprising that his instincts at FS were awful his rookie season.
And as good as he is in the box and tackling, Collins isn't particularly effective at blitzing (all 4 sacks in his career came in 2016 and half his career QBHits). I think we'll see Peppers coming from all over and with his closing speed I think he can cause problems for opposing QBs.
Peppers dramatic improvement in year 2 - ( New Window )
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Looking at Jabrill Peppers' stats page isn't going to teach you anything about him. I'd suggest doing a bit of a deeper dive than that...
So he's better than Collins, but only if you know the secret password.
Nope, you just have to know a little bit about football.
It's not rocket science.
There were some pretty informative posts here on Peppers recently - I'd suggest you read them rather than continue to post keyboard diarrhea here because you're unhappy with the direction of the team and would prefer to throw a tantrum over it.
Ok, let's pretend Peppers is going to be better than Collins. Will the defense be better overall? Why or why not? The idea that this team is going to compete next year is a joke. Which would be fine if the team was addressing its long term needs at the most important position, but it appears that they are not. Call that 'unhappy with the team direction' but I don't know how you can be anything else.
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In comment 14339670 arcarsenal said:
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Looking at Jabrill Peppers' stats page isn't going to teach you anything about him. I'd suggest doing a bit of a deeper dive than that...
So he's better than Collins, but only if you know the secret password.
Nope, you just have to know a little bit about football.
It's not rocket science.
There were some pretty informative posts here on Peppers recently - I'd suggest you read them rather than continue to post keyboard diarrhea here because you're unhappy with the direction of the team and would prefer to throw a tantrum over it.
Ok, let's pretend Peppers is going to be better than Collins. Will the defense be better overall? Why or why not? The idea that this team is going to compete next year is a joke. Which would be fine if the team was addressing its long term needs at the most important position, but it appears that they are not. Call that 'unhappy with the team direction' but I don't know how you can be anything else.
Wait and see the finished reworked product. Patience. They have made some good moves already. Identity will become more Barkley , tougher OL and playaction off of it.
Sure we'll be depending upon rookies in some cases, but rookies with a lot better talent than some of the guys we had to rely upon last year.
Ok, let's pretend Peppers is going to be better than Collins. Will the defense be better overall? Why or why not? The idea that this team is going to compete next year is a joke. Which would be fine if the team was addressing its long term needs at the most important position, but it appears that they are not. Call that 'unhappy with the team direction' but I don't know how you can be anything else.
Will the D be better? They were 24th in yards allowed (371.4 per game) last season and 23rd in scoring D (25.8 pts/game) so there's certainly plenty of room for improvement.
Let's look at the moves they've made on D (to date):
Riley -> Bethea huge upgrade
Collins -> Peppers let's call it a push, though at this time next year I think we'll view it an upgrade
Vernon -> Golden push - who plays more games in 2019?
Webb -> Beal TBD
I think those are the current changes to the starters and overall I'd say we marginally improved with the potential for significant improvement depending mainly on Beal and if Peppers continues his upward trend.
The rest of the D had several 1st/2nd year players that I also think will be better this year and/or play more significant roles: Hill, Tomlinson, and Carter
But the offseason isn't over yet. I fully expect at least 2 of our 3 top 37 picks to be on the defensive side, including #6 (edge rusher). I don't think we'll end up making 12 picks, but between the draft and undrafted FAs, I'd guess we add at least another 6-8 players to the D which will hopefully improve both the starters (Day 1-2 draft picks) and depth.
So yes, I think the D can go from bottom 1/3 to average next year.
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Ok, let's pretend Peppers is going to be better than Collins. Will the defense be better overall? Why or why not? The idea that this team is going to compete next year is a joke. Which would be fine if the team was addressing its long term needs at the most important position, but it appears that they are not. Call that 'unhappy with the team direction' but I don't know how you can be anything else.
Will the D be better? They were 24th in yards allowed (371.4 per game) last season and 23rd in scoring D (25.8 pts/game) so there's certainly plenty of room for improvement.
Let's look at the moves they've made on D (to date):
Riley -> Bethea huge upgrade
Collins -> Peppers let's call it a push, though at this time next year I think we'll view it an upgrade
Vernon -> Golden push - who plays more games in 2019?
Webb -> Beal TBD
I think those are the current changes to the starters and overall I'd say we marginally improved with the potential for significant improvement depending mainly on Beal and if Peppers continues his upward trend.
The rest of the D had several 1st/2nd year players that I also think will be better this year and/or play more significant roles: Hill, Tomlinson, and Carter
But the offseason isn't over yet. I fully expect at least 2 of our 3 top 37 picks to be on the defensive side, including #6 (edge rusher). I don't think we'll end up making 12 picks, but between the draft and undrafted FAs, I'd guess we add at least another 6-8 players to the D which will hopefully improve both the starters (Day 1-2 draft picks) and depth.
So yes, I think the D can go from bottom 1/3 to average next year.
You're forgetting the other moves we made during the season.
Slot CB ->?
Snacks (NT, for lack of a better word) --> ?
Which also does not address the issues the defense had to start last year, at the other EDGE or LB.
That's our Giants, sit Rosen for Teflon Eli.
They are rebuilding, the OP is in denial, oh well.
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Ok, let's pretend Peppers is going to be better than Collins. Will the defense be better overall? Why or why not? The idea that this team is going to compete next year is a joke. Which would be fine if the team was addressing its long term needs at the most important position, but it appears that they are not. Call that 'unhappy with the team direction' but I don't know how you can be anything else.
Will the D be better? They were 24th in yards allowed (371.4 per game) last season and 23rd in scoring D (25.8 pts/game) so there's certainly plenty of room for improvement.
Let's look at the moves they've made on D (to date):
Riley -> Bethea huge upgrade
Collins -> Peppers let's call it a push, though at this time next year I think we'll view it an upgrade
Vernon -> Golden push - who plays more games in 2019?
Webb -> Beal TBD
I think those are the current changes to the starters and overall I'd say we marginally improved with the potential for significant improvement depending mainly on Beal and if Peppers continues his upward trend.
The rest of the D had several 1st/2nd year players that I also think will be better this year and/or play more significant roles: Hill, Tomlinson, and Carter
But the offseason isn't over yet. I fully expect at least 2 of our 3 top 37 picks to be on the defensive side, including #6 (edge rusher). I don't think we'll end up making 12 picks, but between the draft and undrafted FAs, I'd guess we add at least another 6-8 players to the D which will hopefully improve both the starters (Day 1-2 draft picks) and depth.
So yes, I think the D can go from bottom 1/3 to average next year.
If the D was just average we go 3-1 in our last 4 last year against a couple of playoff teams WITHOUT ODELL.
Sure we'll be depending upon rookies in some cases, but rookies with a lot better talent than some of the guys we had to rely upon last year.
Looking more and more like blue-chip edge rusher at #6. Hopefully Sweat or Josh Allen (if he drops)
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You're forgetting the other moves we made during the season.
Slot CB ->?
Snacks (NT, for lack of a better word) --> ?
Which also does not address the issues the defense had to start last year, at the other EDGE or LB.
Slot CB is the same -> Haley
Snacks was replaced by Tomlinson last season. You can go compute the D ranks before/after the trade and let me know if they were significant.
More playing time for Carter, at the expense of Martin, will help the other EDGE/LB. Part of the issue last season was OV was out and Carter wasn't ready for a full time role.
I will also be completely shocked if they don't take an EDGE/LB with #6, #17, or #37 and honestly feel its at least 70-30 we go EDGE/LB at #6. Golden/Carter year 2/Draft Pick will be much better than OV (3/4 season)/Martin/Barwin/rookie Carter.
Well, I never heard a team say we want to lose.
I do believe their actions speak louder than words.
Apparently you can't accept the word, rebuilding.
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Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli.
Really? Half of BBI blamed Eli and his high throw for Beckham breaking his ankle...
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Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli.
Really? Half of BBI blamed Eli and his high throw for Beckham breaking his ankle...
Ha! EliteMobster had daily threads on this subject. I remember because FMiC's responses were hilarious.
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Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli.
Really? Half of BBI blamed Eli and his high throw for Beckham breaking his ankle...
So half of BBI believe OBJ has a beef...hmm
2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
I have been away traveling and missed the BBI explosion re the trade, but I live in an area where there are a lot of ex-players / people affiliated with the Giants org and this is exactly what I've heard.
Odell blamed Manning for most of the issues and was planning another Lil Wayne-type interview in which he threw the QB under the bus. The Shurmer stuff I've also heard. Also, don't discount Anita Marks' comments; she had the leaks before last season that Beckham wanted to go to LA.
As Eric said , these are moves to re-establish the culture of the franchise - the chasm between players and management had never been further than last season. Hence all the moves from Snacks to Odell and Collins.
Any person in their right mind can plainly see NYG is in rebuild mode, and when rebuilding the expectation to win, is theoretically possible but just not realistic.
And, huge thanks to jtgiants for the recent updates and posts.
'nuff said.
Any person in their right mind can plainly see NYG is in rebuild mode, and when rebuilding the expectation to win, is theoretically possible but just not realistic.
And, huge thanks to jtgiants for the recent updates and posts.
20% of their cap is allocated to dead money while their 38 year old QB carries a 23M dollar cap hit and their two biggest offseason acquisitions are in their 30s. Doesn't that seem off to people? They're trying to do two things with conflicting strategies at once. I'm not in the doomsday crowd, they'll be ok next year (treading water and a better record with an easier schedule and less bad luck), but this is a recipe for longterm mediocrity. It's like they're trying to become a team that maybe competes for a shot at WC weekend but doesn't have the juice to push past that point.
I do believe talent outtrumps half baked strategy, so they'll be fine if they spike this draft and nail the QB pick. However, they're not leaving a whole lot of margin for error in the quest to win 8 games.
They should take the advice of that kid in Modell's. https://youtu.be/gDqruD3YJIw?t=62
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You're forgetting the other moves we made during the season.
Slot CB ->?
Snacks (NT, for lack of a better word) --> ?
Which also does not address the issues the defense had to start last year, at the other EDGE or LB.
Slot CB is the same -> Haley
Snacks was replaced by Tomlinson last season. You can go compute the D ranks before/after the trade and let me know if they were significant.
More playing time for Carter, at the expense of Martin, will help the other EDGE/LB. Part of the issue last season was OV was out and Carter wasn't ready for a full time role.
I will also be completely shocked if they don't take an EDGE/LB with #6, #17, or #37 and honestly feel its at least 70-30 we go EDGE/LB at #6. Golden/Carter year 2/Draft Pick will be much better than OV (3/4 season)/Martin/Barwin/rookie Carter.
They were 24th ranked in run yardage and traded Snacks after game 7. So maybe they both stunk. Hooray?
But the rest is "if this guy works out." But that's true any year. Golden is coming off a 2.5 sack year after a major injury. The best thing about his contract is the commitment. And not only are you counting on the Giants drafting EDGE, you're predicting he'll be good, and will contribute in his rookie year. Wishing and hoping.
Did they even give him a locker or just the silly contract?
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Do you think he got that contract for inside info on the Locker room?
Did they even give him a locker or just the silly contract?
JT if you had to guess, what range do you think is in play for Qb #17 or later?
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Do you think he got that contract for inside info on the Locker room?
Did they even give him a locker or just the silly contract?
He already said the Rosen stuff is false.
2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
Thanks for the great stuff as usual jt.
My thoughts...
1- When did the Giants become so damned soft? My favorite non-LT clip of the 80s Giants involved Phil Simms walking to the sideline yelling at Bill Parcells. Parcells then slightly turns and over his shoulder yells to Simms, "SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!" They didn't trade Phil Simms. No one's panties exploded. How many offensive coordinators have been cursed out by Tom Brady in full view of the world? It's more than one, yet no one got fired or traded. It would be great if everyone was Larry Fitzgerald or Barry Sanders, but no... people are going to curse out other people and they're going to get cursed out. Welcome to the world of professional sports. Steve Kerr is about to win his 4th ring and he's probably been cursed out by Draymond Green 700 times.
2- I don't doubt anything that is said here, especially the injury part. But let's look at it the other way. If you don't think Odell Beckham's transcendent talents extended Eli's career, then you're a fool (not you specifically jt). And if that caused Odell to feel a certain kind of way, so be it. I go back to my original "The Giants are delusional" post. This isn't 2006 when Tiki leaves and a young Eli will get better. It's 2019... ELI MANNING IS NOT GETTING BETTER! If you watch the games, he doesn't see people who're wide open when he has time to throw. He misses wide open people he actually sees them. The playoff game thing is a moron test. Does anyone remember what Eli Manning looked like in his first playoff game? Hello? Anyone?
3- There's only one way Beckham's "attitude" could infiltrate teammates. That's because there's no belief in the head coach, the GM, the owner, and the QB. If the QB was really good, it would provide an alternative and no one would follow the WR. If people trusted that the head coach was terrific at his job and was a leader of men, no one would follow the WR. They can only follow the WR when there's a black hole of talent and leadership in the most important areas of a football team.
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stuff have any heat to it whatsoever?
He already said the Rosen stuff is false.
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stuff have any heat to it whatsoever?
He already said the Rosen stuff is false.
Did he say false? I thought he just said he hasn't heard anything.
I'm waiting on a shep trade between now and the draft.
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stuff have any heat to it whatsoever?
He already said the Rosen stuff is false.
Did he say false? I thought he just said he hasn't heard anything.
I'm waiting on a shep trade between now and the draft.
Expect Shep, but don't be surprised if Engram is on the move also.
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1. Beckham on more than one occasion told Shurmer to duck off. Shurmer was his biggest ally. He caused his own problem there.
2. The Giants are bringing Eli back. Always were and promised him they would do all they can to win. Also don't think Eli lost sleep over losing Beckham. Trust me on that. Privately Beckham blamed his injuries and the losing on Eli. The Giants told Beckham he never plays and causes distractions. Also the biggest game of hos life. Eli was great and Beckham sucked. His act and demands wore thin. On top of the issues that haven't even been reported
3. Beckham's attitude infiltrated teammates. Those guys should rent. Not buy. Hint. Hint
Thanks for the great stuff as usual jt.
My thoughts...
1- When did the Giants become so damned soft? My favorite non-LT clip of the 80s Giants involved Phil Simms walking to the sideline yelling at Bill Parcells. Parcells then slightly turns and over his shoulder yells to Simms, "SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!" They didn't trade Phil Simms. No one's panties exploded. How many offensive coordinators have been cursed out by Tom Brady in full view of the world? It's more than one, yet no one got fired or traded. It would be great if everyone was Larry Fitzgerald or Barry Sanders, but no... people are going to curse out other people and they're going to get cursed out. Welcome to the world of professional sports. Steve Kerr is about to win his 4th ring and he's probably been cursed out by Draymond Green 700 times.
2- I don't doubt anything that is said here, especially the injury part. But let's look at it the other way. If you don't think Odell Beckham's transcendent talents extended Eli's career, then you're a fool (not you specifically jt). And if that caused Odell to feel a certain kind of way, so be it. I go back to my original "The Giants are delusional" post. This isn't 2006 when Tiki leaves and a young Eli will get better. It's 2019... ELI MANNING IS NOT GETTING BETTER! If you watch the games, he doesn't see people who're wide open when he has time to throw. He misses wide open people he actually sees them. The playoff game thing is a moron test. Does anyone remember what Eli Manning looked like in his first playoff game? Hello? Anyone?
3- There's only one way Beckham's "attitude" could infiltrate teammates. That's because there's no belief in the head coach, the GM, the owner, and the QB. If the QB was really good, it would provide an alternative and no one would follow the WR. If people trusted that the head coach was terrific at his job and was a leader of men, no one would follow the WR. They can only follow the WR when there's a black hole of talent and leadership in the most important areas of a football team.
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
Making him quiet isn't important... getting the most out of him is.
- Are they not aware they scored more points in Beckham's last 4 games than they did in the last 4 games without him?
- The two teams that needed the games last year when we didn't have Beckham held Saquon Barkley to 74 yards rushing on 35 carries. The Giants embarrassed themselves against the Titans and couldn't beat a Dallas team sitting many stars.
- What makes them think they were better? That they almost beat the Colts?
Just completely fucking delusional. What are they trying to prove? These motherfuckers really don't want Tua or Herbert. I guess we'll be looking at Eli forever.
Dude, go have a drink or something.
It won’t be hard if the OL is adequate. I’m absolutely sure of it.
Dude, go have a drink or something.
I'm sorry if "Sit back and enjoy the process" with this leadership group isn't enough for me.
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Dude, go have a drink or something.
I'm sorry if "Sit back and enjoy the process" with this leadership group isn't enough for me.
Who says we did in the first place? The giants don’t want to cut Eli for a shittier and equally expensive veteran in fa. They also don’t want to go without a vet if and when the draft a rookie qb. Why is this so hard for some to comprehend? It’s nowhere near the big deal some here insist on it being.
Day after day post after post make it stop.