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"Golden Tate signed a 4 year, $37,500,000 contract with the New York Giants, including $23,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,375,000..." No further details are listed.
No meaningful info yet on Markus Golden or Antoine Bethea, except that Golden signed a one-year contract with the Giants, and Bethea signed a two-year deal.
I know you are miffed about the Pulley thing. But in reality, it's really nothing. It was guaranteed at 2.3M. Basically, we keep him for this year and either move on next year, or if his play improves, we keep him around.
I know you are miffed about the Pulley thing. But in reality, it's really nothing. It was guaranteed at 2.3M. Basically, we keep him for this year and either move on next year, or if his play improves, we keep him around.
Why get him $2.3 million guaranteed? I'm not even sure he makes the team this year. San Diego cut him last year because he sucked. He sucked for us too.
I know you are miffed about the Pulley thing. But in reality, it's really nothing. It was guaranteed at 2.3M. Basically, we keep him for this year and either move on next year, or if his play improves, we keep him around.
Also, say he does just enough to hang around as a back-up, why give him those two salary figures in 2020 and 2021? Who were we competing against for his services?
I know you are miffed about the Pulley thing. But in reality, it's really nothing. It was guaranteed at 2.3M. Basically, we keep him for this year and either move on next year, or if his play improves, we keep him around.
Why get him $2.3 million guaranteed? I'm not even sure he makes the team this year. San Diego cut him last year because he sucked. He sucked for us too.
I totally agree. I don't get it. Why not check on John Sullivan 1st. Pulley was going nowhere and if he did, big deal.
DG seems pretty good on most things, but he seems to screw up the smaller details or pay too much for easily replaceable players.
Does Pulley play guard also? Could he be a backup.
He is insurance this year against Halapio not being able to come back healthy and at worst is a the backup at center and potentially guard.
Halapio is signed for only 1 year. Maybe he moves on or proves that he isn't worthy of the next contract. In that case, I'm hoping that we would have a draft pick ether from this year or next to replace him. If next year, Pulley serves as an insurance policy again.
He is insurance this year against Halapio not being able to come back healthy and at worst is a the backup at center and potentially guard.
Halapio is signed for only 1 year. Maybe he moves on or proves that he isn't worthy of the next contract. In that case, I'm hoping that we would have a draft pick ether from this year or next to replace him. If next year, Pulley serves as an insurance policy again.
This is my take too... I don't have a problem with bringing him back. But that contract shocked me.
He is insurance this year against Halapio not being able to come back healthy and at worst is a the backup at center and potentially guard.
Halapio is signed for only 1 year. Maybe he moves on or proves that he isn't worthy of the next contract. In that case, I'm hoping that we would have a draft pick ether from this year or next to replace him. If next year, Pulley serves as an insurance policy again.
This is my take too... I don't have a problem with bringing him back. But that contract shocked me.
Eric - if you don't give him some amount of money over the minimum he was due, he doesn't sign for 3 years. I don't know how long we would have had his rights and what the conditions would have been if they brought him back cheap, but clearly they felt he has enough upside to pay a little more now to retain team friendly future options.
Not saying you are wrong, but I feel strongly they are throwing money down the drain here. I hope I'm wrong.
Even if they are, it's an extra $1-2m this yea from whatever his tender would have been. Next year he can be cut free and clear with $0 dead cap (at least from what I saw).
Long time lurker, met up with some BBIers in Albany a few times as a kid with my dad (Mark in PA) in the mid to late 90s, just re-registered to try and cheer Eric up (among other things)! To echo what others have said, those extra option years are to the Giants’ benefit, not Pulley’s. I am sure he would MUCH rather have a 1 yr fully guaranteed 2.3 million. If (big if) he wins the job and shows himself a solid starting center he’d get far more on the open market. If he is nothing more than a backup and the Giants are unimpressed they move on and he doesn’t see that year 2 or 3 salary. Non-guaranteed years at any price can only benefit the team, but especially when they are at a price point far below what a starter would make. The worst-case scenario is he is an overpaid backup (to a starter coming off a major injury) for a year at 2.3M. The best-case scenario is we get a starting center for 2-3 years far below market value. I think the worst case is more likely than the best case, but the risk in the worst case is we wasted a million dollars vs signing an equivalent serviceable/experienced backup center to a 1 yr deal, and the best case is probably a $10M+ savings over addressing starting center in free agency next year! That cost/benefit may still not feel worth it to some depending on their view on Pulley's potential, but if so it is about a $1M mistake, not a $8M+ one.
I wouldn't assume that. Gettleman values the offensive line positions. In front of Brown, we have Halapio who despite some members of the Giants thinking highly of is a journeyman to this point who is coming off a season ending injury and Pulley who got a nice deal for a backup but not starters money.
Pulley and Halapio may battle it out for the starting job with Halapio as the favorite. Brown could beat out the backup due to his youth or he could be a backup at guard. At this point, we don't have any known entities backing up our guards.
I don't think we neglect the offensive line in the draft but our guards currently are better thean our tackles and both appear to be longer term solutions so I think we go tackle earlier than guards.
It is very feasible, we can go center in the draft as (assuming we sign somenone like Remmers) our center position appears to be the least NFL experienced out of the 4. Doing that would give a better indication of their thoughts on Brown.
The other two players have not even officially signed yet.
"Golden Tate signed a 4 year, $37,500,000 contract with the New York Giants, including $23,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,375,000..." No further details are listed.
No meaningful info yet on Markus Golden or Antoine Bethea, except that Golden signed a one-year contract with the Giants, and Bethea signed a two-year deal.
Reporters will often tweet out "details" of contracts, especially of big signings, but sometimes those are "tweaked" by agents.
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He has been a starter most of his career so 2 someth8ng million per year seems pretty small to me. I think he starts with us too beating out Halipio.
(2) Right or wrong, Gettleman is on record as saying Halapio was their best OL early in the season before he got hurt.
(2) Right or wrong, Gettleman is on record as saying Halapio was their best OL early in the season before he got hurt.
Pulley is like buying an insurance policy you never hope to use. But you have to buy it.
Why get him $2.3 million guaranteed? I'm not even sure he makes the team this year. San Diego cut him last year because he sucked. He sucked for us too.
Also, say he does just enough to hang around as a back-up, why give him those two salary figures in 2020 and 2021? Who were we competing against for his services?
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I know you are miffed about the Pulley thing. But in reality, it's really nothing. It was guaranteed at 2.3M. Basically, we keep him for this year and either move on next year, or if his play improves, we keep him around.
Why get him $2.3 million guaranteed? I'm not even sure he makes the team this year. San Diego cut him last year because he sucked. He sucked for us too.
I totally agree. I don't get it. Why not check on John Sullivan 1st. Pulley was going nowhere and if he did, big deal.
DG seems pretty good on most things, but he seems to screw up the smaller details or pay too much for easily replaceable players.
Does Pulley play guard also? Could he be a backup.
IDK, Halapio only costs $570k.
Halapio is signed for only 1 year. Maybe he moves on or proves that he isn't worthy of the next contract. In that case, I'm hoping that we would have a draft pick ether from this year or next to replace him. If next year, Pulley serves as an insurance policy again.
Halapio is signed for only 1 year. Maybe he moves on or proves that he isn't worthy of the next contract. In that case, I'm hoping that we would have a draft pick ether from this year or next to replace him. If next year, Pulley serves as an insurance policy again.
This is my take too... I don't have a problem with bringing him back. But that contract shocked me.
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He is insurance this year against Halapio not being able to come back healthy and at worst is a the backup at center and potentially guard.
Halapio is signed for only 1 year. Maybe he moves on or proves that he isn't worthy of the next contract. In that case, I'm hoping that we would have a draft pick ether from this year or next to replace him. If next year, Pulley serves as an insurance policy again.
This is my take too... I don't have a problem with bringing him back. But that contract shocked me.
Eric - if you don't give him some amount of money over the minimum he was due, he doesn't sign for 3 years. I don't know how long we would have had his rights and what the conditions would have been if they brought him back cheap, but clearly they felt he has enough upside to pay a little more now to retain team friendly future options.
Even if they are, it's an extra $1-2m this yea from whatever his tender would have been. Next year he can be cut free and clear with $0 dead cap (at least from what I saw).
Pulley and Halapio may battle it out for the starting job with Halapio as the favorite. Brown could beat out the backup due to his youth or he could be a backup at guard. At this point, we don't have any known entities backing up our guards.
I don't think we neglect the offensive line in the draft but our guards currently are better thean our tackles and both appear to be longer term solutions so I think we go tackle earlier than guards.
It is very feasible, we can go center in the draft as (assuming we sign somenone like Remmers) our center position appears to be the least NFL experienced out of the 4. Doing that would give a better indication of their thoughts on Brown.