I’ve been wanting the Giants to pick up draft picks for next year in order to trade up for a QB in 2020. I was a little disappointed that we didn’t get a #1 from the browns for 2020 because I figured that would put us in a great position for a trade up next year. However, when I thought about it, does it really matter if the picks come this year or next year? We have 12 picks in the draft this year. That is the equivalent to 6 picks this year and 6 next year. We could essentially trade all of our picks next year to move up to #1 (a la Mike Ditka) and still go into 2020 without losing much from a personal standpoint. To be clear, I’m not advocating trading the entire draft next year, but that’s how much draft capital we have right now. So my thought is, let’s bolster both lines and find some young talent around the field, and then go all out for a QB next year. This is all assuming we aren’t in love with a QB this year. If that’s the case, forget everything I just wrote.
we are currently depleated but thid draft should bolster our roster.
And an addition of a solid RT should finally resolve our Achilles heel.
we are currently depleated but thid draft should bolster our roster.
And an addition of a solid RT should finally resolve our Achilles heel.
This. What happens if the Giants finish 8-8 or barely make the playoffs at 9-7? The move up then would be extremely costly, and that's even assuming the teams at the top don't want those QBs for themselves and won't consider trading the picks.
It's way risky.
The Giants have lined up the picks this year and I can't see them making 12 selections. They will trade some to move up. From what we can gather, the only QB they might like at 6 is Murray, but he'll be gone by 4 at the latest. So your choices are trade up for Murray in the top 3, trade up from 17 to land a Lock/Haskins/Jones, or trade for Rosen.
I think that's it, that's the game plan. I don't see them waiting until 2020. Gettleman couldn't fall in love with a QB at #2 last year and Saquon on the board. But it takes much less convincing after you get past pick #10.
Honestly, I think the Giants will use #6 on a top defensive talent, and see how the rest of the QBs drop before 17. If one is in striking distance between 10-17, the Giants will use their extra picks to trade up for one of them. If they get Haskins or Lock at 13/14 and trade up, I'm ok with that. I really don't want Jones at all. Period.
As we said, the worst move for the Giants is to trade up from 6 to take a Lock or Haskins, or god forbid Jones. To me, that's a remote thrower. Just get Rosen when presented with that.
That's my feeling as well.
With all the draft picks this year plus next year's cap space we should be able to fill most of if not all the biggest holes on the team, and be able to absorb spending what we have to of next year's picks to get one of those three.
If it takes a 2021 #1 like we did with Eli then I'm good with that too because I think those three are more than just a notch better than this year's QB crop.
It may be expensive, but if you have a shitload of cap space and draft well for the previous couple seasons, it really doesn't hurt that much.
The Eagles basically gave up their 1st, 3rd, and 4th that year, plus a 1st the following year. If Giants LOVE their guy next year...you're telling me they don't make that trade? They'd do it in a heartbeat.
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Tua Herbert and Fromm seem to be a notch better than Murray and Haskins. You can always throw in 2021 picks to move up like we did for Eli.
That's my feeling as well.
With all the draft picks this year plus next year's cap space we should be able to fill most of if not all the biggest holes on the team, and be able to absorb spending what we have to of next year's picks to get one of those three.
If it takes a 2021 #1 like we did with Eli then I'm good with that too because I think those three are more than just a notch better than this year's QB crop.
So you would have Eli playing in 2022 as a mentor on the "KC model"? No thanks.
Again, Giants would do that in a milisecond if they love their guy and think he's their franchise for the next 10 years or more.
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to 1-3 next year would be extraordinarily expensive if the Giants end up having a 7-8 win season. You can't aways wait for the perfect guy. You need to get the best guy available whom you think can play the position.
It may be expensive, but if you have a shitload of cap space and draft well for the previous couple seasons, it really doesn't hurt that much.
The Eagles basically gave up their 1st, 3rd, and 4th that year, plus a 1st the following year. If Giants LOVE their guy next year...you're telling me they don't make that trade? They'd do it in a heartbeat.
There will be alot of teams in a position of need next year. There is a huge risk in waiting.
Look at the Redskins. Everyone was saying they would trade up for a QB this year, or trade for Rosen, etc. They haven't (yet) but they traded for Keenum!
Look at Denver. Everyone thought they would trade up. Nope. They signed Flacco.
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Tua Herbert and Fromm seem to be a notch better than Murray and Haskins. You can always throw in 2021 picks to move up like we did for Eli.
That's my feeling as well.
With all the draft picks this year plus next year's cap space we should be able to fill most of if not all the biggest holes on the team, and be able to absorb spending what we have to of next year's picks to get one of those three.
If it takes a 2021 #1 like we did with Eli then I'm good with that too because I think those three are more than just a notch better than this year's QB crop.
So you would have Eli playing in 2022 as a mentor on the "KC model"? No thanks.
How did you get that from my post? All I'm advocating for is drafting the QB next year and using what picks you have to to do that, including a 2021 #1 if need be.
The problem in waiting are as follows
1. You can't get the guy you really want because it becomes too expensive or you can't arrange the trade.
2. Something happens to affect your desire to draft him. Injury or just a shitty year.
3. You push out by at least one year, if not more your window to compete.
I get people like the guys next year more. There are ALWAYS going to be guys next year. If you like one of the guys now...you should get him. Can that guy be your QB and get the job done in the system you want to implement. Eli and Phil were no were near the best QB's at their positions during the time they were the QB of the Giants. But they fit the system and were good enough.
Agree with this. I would have to guess based on what DG said that if they do really value one of these guys that highly, they WILL go after them hard. IMO, I see that with Murray, I just don't see that with Haskins. And I am not saying Haskins won't be a good NFL QB. I just think there are too many questions there.
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Tua Herbert and Fromm seem to be a notch better than Murray and Haskins. You can always throw in 2021 picks to move up like we did for Eli.
That it? You can always just throw in a pick and can have any player you want?
Yup. The Giants and BBI are the only ones that know that these guys are good. We're going to win now because we're close, make the playoffs, pick in the 20s and then just offer up a future 1 to get any player we want in the draft. Easy Peezy.
If we kick the QB can down the road another year, after having the 2nd and 6th overall picks in two drafts, we simply may not be in a position to trade up for the QB we want.
As others have pointed out, an 8-8 or 7-9 record puts you in the middle of the pack at 15 or 16. It's not impossible to trade up from that spot, but it makes it far less likely.
And what if the team that has that top pick really needs a QB and they absolutely love Fromm or one of the other QBs? They're not trading that pick no matter what you offer. So even if the Giants only won 4 or 5 games, they still might not be able to get to the top of the draft.
Yes I know...KC traded up for Mahomes, Rams traded up for Goff and the Eagles did the same for Wentz. But you need a willing partner. So let's not pretend that this is something that can ALWAYS be done.
Nobody traded up for Luck, Peyton Manning, Elway, Bradshaw, Aikman, Cam Newton, Carson Palmer, Plunkett, Bledsoe, Stafford, Vick, Bradford and other QBs that went #1 overall. Why? Because the teams that had the top pick needed a QB and they weren't about to trade out of that spot.
Putting it another way. If the Giants don't draft a QB this year and they finished with the worst record giving them the top pick AND Fromm, Tua or Herbert ended up being the top rated QB by a wide margin... projected to be a franchise QB. In that scenario, do you honestly think the Giants would ever consider trading out of that spot? And how hard would you laugh if you read on another team's message board that all they had to do was make a trade with the Giants to get that QB?
Let's not wait another year. Giants need to get their franchise QB THIS YEAR and not gamble that they'll be in position to draft one in 2020.
no way