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Should Engram be moved to WR.

since1925 : 3/15/2019 11:08 am
Should he be running wide out routes? He has been a hybrid to some degree. His blocking has improved but would his receiving skills improve if he no longer had to block the TE position?

We would lose the TE mismatch on LBs. But gain that big receiver (with a ton of speed) that we currently lack.

Ellison and Simonson are both better pure TEs. And we could still move Engram inside on occasion. This might be one way to improve the receiving corps(beyond Tate) without spending more FA money.
Can't he take snaps at wideout without actually moving there full time  
Brown Recluse : 3/15/2019 11:09 am : link
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Seems like we have this thread every month or so  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 11:09 am : link
I think he should be an all-around weapon. Put him outside, slot, inline, in the backfield...

Be creative with him. I don't think he's a WR. I don't think he's a TE. I think he's a weapon.
In one sense yes  
mattlawson : 3/15/2019 11:09 am : link
Iíve only seen him in a live game one time with my own eyes but I will say that he completely disappeared after gym all, he turned and was gone, the fastest player on the field.

If you didnít benefit from that mismatch though as a tight end I donít know if it would be the same
I could get behind this - especially the way we use a TE anyway  
PatersonPlank : 3/15/2019 11:10 am : link
EE could give us the big receiver on the outside we need, plus we are weak at WR right now anyway. He just needs to learn to catch
Understand the thought  
eric2425ny : 3/15/2019 11:10 am : link
But these types of position transitions rarely work out. Not sure Engram has the route running ability and shiftiness to consistently match up against CBís. He is better suited to be a mismatch with LBís and Safeties.
does he have the route running skills  
mphbullet36 : 3/15/2019 11:10 am : link
to consistently get separation for corners? His speed becomes average if he shifts out to WR and there are fast guys that don't get open because they don't know how to run crisp routes. As a TE you don't run as many indepth routes so that could make the transition a bit dicey.
RE: Can't he take snaps at wideout without actually moving there full time  
since1925 : 3/15/2019 11:11 am : link
In comment 14339646 Brown Recluse said:
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Absolutely. But moving him there full time would change how he practiced and his focus. He is an unusual player and ,so far, it is hard to argue we have gotten the best from him.
First, we have to see if...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 11:14 am : link
Engram even going to be on the 2019 team.
RE: First, we have to see if...  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14339673 Eric from BBI said:
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Engram even going to be on the 2019 team.


That would help as well. Gettleman seems to be adamant about scrubbing every fingerprint of Jerry Reese's from this team/
Always seems to me he makes his big gains as he moves to space..  
Racer : 3/15/2019 11:16 am : link
...with a head of steam. Somebody will have to convince me he can make a contested catch shortly after coming out of his break before I'd wager that he can make the switch and be productive.
Yes  
jeff57 : 3/15/2019 11:17 am : link
Take T.J. Hockenson so he can.
Does anybody understand Football  
Bruner4329 : 3/15/2019 11:17 am : link
There is a big difference when a LB or safety covers a TE vs a CB. Engram gives us a big advantage under the former scenario but you move him to a WR then the coverage is a lot better and he will be neutralized.People here think his production as a TE would carry over to WR.
Unrelated  
GiantGrit : 3/15/2019 11:17 am : link
I saw Matt Lacosse signed a 2 year deal with the Patriots.
No  
Beer Man : 3/15/2019 11:18 am : link
We started to see the potential impact he brings from TE late in the season. He is such a mismatch for LBs and Safeties, I think they will keep him where he is, and we may see more of him now that OBJ is gone.
RE: First, we have to see if...  
Bill in UT : 3/15/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14339673 Eric from BBI said:
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Engram even going to be on the 2019 team.


I haven't been a big fan overall, but he had a couple of killer games down the stretch. I'd like to see if that was just a flash in the pan, or if he's risen to a new level.
RE: Does anybody understand Football  
jeff57 : 3/15/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14339683 Bruner4329 said:
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There is a big difference when a LB or safety covers a TE vs a CB. Engram gives us a big advantage under the former scenario but you move him to a WR then the coverage is a lot better and he will be neutralized.People here think his production as a TE would carry over to WR.


He ran the same 40 as OBJ, so he has the speed to do it.
RE: Yes  
Ceez2.0 : 3/15/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14339681 jeff57 said:
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Take T.J. Hockenson so he can.


This! Tate, Shep, Ingram.....TJ (or convince the kid from Ole Miss' DK something) to convert to TE, lol. Barkely catching out the backfield, with a hopefully improved line our O should be good.
I would imagine the Falcons would be hot for him  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 11:22 am : link
Supposedly they really wanted him in the 2017 Draft.
I don't care what you call him  
KWALL2 : 3/15/2019 11:23 am : link
just move him around and get him the ball.

What they should do is sign Eifert and go 2 TEs all day with Engram and Eifert.
RE: RE: Does anybody understand Football  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/15/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14339695 jeff57 said:
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There is a big difference when a LB or safety covers a TE vs a CB. Engram gives us a big advantage under the former scenario but you move him to a WR then the coverage is a lot better and he will be neutralized.People here think his production as a TE would carry over to WR.



He ran the same 40 as OBJ, so he has the speed to do it.


Fast 40 time doesnt equate to a good WR (or football player). We need football players on this team.
RE: does he have the route running skills  
Festina Lente : 3/15/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14339656 mphbullet36 said:
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to consistently get separation for corners? His speed becomes average if he shifts out to WR and there are fast guys that don't get open because they don't know how to run crisp routes. As a TE you don't run as many indepth routes so that could make the transition a bit dicey.


Agreed. I think this idea is fantastical and beaten to death
RE: RE: RE: Does anybody understand Football  
eric2425ny : 3/15/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14339704 Jim Bur(n)t said:
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In comment 14339683 Bruner4329 said:


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There is a big difference when a LB or safety covers a TE vs a CB. Engram gives us a big advantage under the former scenario but you move him to a WR then the coverage is a lot better and he will be neutralized.People here think his production as a TE would carry over to WR.



He ran the same 40 as OBJ, so he has the speed to do it.



Fast 40 time doesnt equate to a good WR (or football player). We need football players on this team.


Exactly, thereís a difference between 40 speed, quickness, and shiftiness. Iíll take a guy who is super quick and is shifty over a guy who can run a fast 40. No idea how he will pan out, but Metcalf may end up being a guy who can run straight line, but canít get separation from corners due to his poor 3 cone drill time.
Engram should be moved  
CT Charlie : 3/15/2019 11:43 am : link
around. And Shurmur, to his credit, will do that.
In a word  
Vegas Steve : 3/15/2019 11:52 am : link
Yes

No question about it. He would be a nightmare for a DB to cover on the outside with his size speed and strength.

I have heard whispers that this is the best draft for TE's some scouts have ever seen. With that in mind:

Should the Giants elect to draft someone like T.J. Hockenson; Engram would stay at TE and the Giants could go with a 2 TE offense. (While still using EE more as a WR than a blocker)by splitting him out much the way Jimmy Graham was used by the saints.

T.J. Hockenson would strengthen the O-line thus giving our best asset (Barkley) another blocker (Much like Gronk in the superbowl); while at the same time, giving us another receiving threat who can make plays over the middle and down the field.

To those of us who saw Mark Bravaro play know its the highest of complements one can pay a TE. Mark played with the kind of nasty you just don't see in todays game anymore.

The reality is that we not going to draft T.J. Hockenson (too bad if he plays aware near Bravaro level)but that doesn't mean at some point we won't draft a solid blocking TE would has been under utilized in college as a receiver. So in Closing EE willing be playing WR this year whether we call him that or not.
Eric- good point!  
Dave on the UWS : 3/15/2019 12:00 pm : link
If he is, one of the "positives" of Beckham being gone is Engram seemed to play better and impact the offense more without him. I'm sure the organization noticed how he played at season's end.
RE: Seems like we have this thread every month or so  
Giantology : 3/15/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14339647 Anakim said:
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I think he should be an all-around weapon. Put him outside, slot, inline, in the backfield...

Be creative with him. I don't think he's a WR. I don't think he's a TE. I think he's a weapon.


EVery month? There was a thread on this yesterday.
RE: First, we have to see if...  
Alex_Webster : 3/15/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14339673 Eric from BBI said:
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Engram even going to be on the 2019 team.


Are you saying he should rent not buy? LOL
Moving him to WR  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/15/2019 12:05 pm : link
fulltime you lose his biggest positive which is his ability to create mismatches. As others have said it may also highlight his shortcomings.
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Tesla : 3/15/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14339674 Anakim said:
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Engram even going to be on the 2019 team.



That would help as well. Gettleman seems to be adamant about scrubbing every fingerprint of Jerry Reese's from this team/


Every single one except for the one that he should have scrubbed first.
Can he get off of press coverage?  
AdamBrag : 3/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
He doesn't seem to do very well with physicality.
Count me  
YANKEE28 : 3/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
onboard the "Draft TE TJ Hockenson at #17" train.
Heís a Pass Catcher,.... First  
Rafflee : 3/15/2019 12:38 pm : link
Why bother defining his ďpositionĒ. He should be deployed from various sets
I don't know how many times I've posted this Combine video ..  
Manny in CA : 3/15/2019 1:44 pm : link

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000790107/Simulcam-Engram-vs-Hopkins-vs-Green


Enram vs DeAndre Hopkins and AJ Green - this man can run !

Disengaging at the L.O.S., you say - how 'bout if he didn't have wrestle 300 pounders to get free ?
RE: Does anybody understand Football  
since1925 : 3/15/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14339683 Bruner4329 said:
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There is a big difference when a LB or safety covers a TE vs a CB. Engram gives us a big advantage under the former scenario but you move him to a WR then the coverage is a lot better and he will be neutralized.People here think his production as a TE would carry over to WR.


Why would he "neutralized", he would be bigger and fastest than almost every corner in the league.
RE: Count me  
Festina Lente : 3/15/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14339864 YANKEE28 said:
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onboard the "Draft TE TJ Hockenson at #17" train.


Doubt he'll still be there... you think he might?
theory is intuitively appealing but  
bc4life : 3/15/2019 3:24 pm : link
how many times has this actually happened successfully?

If Giants offense has advanced into at least last century  
Bob in Newburgh : 3/15/2019 4:06 pm : link
You call him an H-back and line him up or motion him wherever you want.

The player who should be under scrutiny is Ellison, who needs to be a good blocker to have a place on this team, due to his limited number of receptions coupled with lack of big play ability.
they need to pick defence  
msh : 3/15/2019 6:30 pm : link
with that 17 pick it was the weakest link on the team aside from the OL be is passrusher,corner or free safety BPA but with solder and hernandez getting better as the year went on

plus zietler added the OL is better again, or they may need to use that pick to move up if they want haskins thou not sure at this point what DG's thoughts about haskins are thou.

and they may still need to draft a RT unless they can find one in FA that wont blow the cap space which is a huge ask with the money they spent looks like signing the rookies is best they can do now and look to draft one
RE: First, we have to see if...  
djm : 3/15/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14339673 Eric from BBI said:
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Engram even going to be on the 2019 team.


Definitely. And if he is you leave him at TE where he belongs. Mismatch. Heís the biggest mismatch on the team now after Barkley.
Should he be converted to WR?  
Hsilwek92 : 3/15/2019 9:12 pm : link
Maybe?

Will he? Probably not.

Have the Giants shown any indication they want to? Not really.
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