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NFT: Hudson Yards Opens Today

Anakim : 3/15/2019 11:31 am
The most expensive real-estate development in US history. Who's excited? Yay....


Without knowing too much about it, it seems like the mall is very similar to the one near the World Trade Center.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 3/15/2019 11:35 am : link
excited to do this
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Anakim : 3/15/2019 11:49 am : link
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I worked there when they first opened the 7 train there. Kudos to them for improving the place, but sinking that much money into a high-end mall and a stupid landmark, or whatever the hell that is, is not exactly beneficial
just did a whole bunch of graphics  
Giants86 : 3/15/2019 12:02 pm : link
for them..
Vessel  
GF1080 : 3/15/2019 12:04 pm : link
Got free tix to this awhile ago. Should be cool going in 2 week.
Did AOC approve?  
Gregorio : 3/15/2019 1:09 pm : link
How did this get past the Amazon protesters?
What is opening today?  
pjcas18 : 3/15/2019 1:11 pm : link
My former company moved their NY office there two years ago (10 Hudson Yards). Beautiful building, beautiful view.

Also some of my customers (Coach, L'Oreal, and others have offices in 9 or 10 Hudson Yards).
Was in one of the apartment buildings over the weekend  
Bergen346 : 3/15/2019 1:16 pm : link
Crazy amenities..... full sized professional basketball court, rock wall, golf simulator. Pretty sick.
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M.S. : 3/15/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14340093 Bergen346 said:
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Crazy amenities..... full sized professional basketball court, rock wall, golf simulator. Pretty sick.

Yea, see if you can afford to live there.
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Bergen346 : 3/15/2019 1:47 pm : link
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Crazy amenities..... full sized professional basketball court, rock wall, golf simulator. Pretty sick.


Yea, see if you can afford to live there.


Point is it’s a beautiful building, one of the nice apartment buildings I’ve ever been in. And maybe I can afford to live there - what does it matter to you?
Saw that  
Photoguy : 3/15/2019 1:48 pm : link
on a bus trip to NY a couple years ago. I'd love to go back.
RE: Did AOC approve?  
Giantology : 3/15/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14340077 Gregorio said:
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How did this get past the Amazon protesters?


AOC derangement syndrome in full effect.
It will be awesome for Jets  
Pete in MD : 3/15/2019 1:54 pm : link
fans when the stadium opens ;-).
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M.S. : 3/15/2019 2:09 pm : link
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Crazy amenities..... full sized professional basketball court, rock wall, golf simulator. Pretty sick.


Yea, see if you can afford to live there.



Point is it’s a beautiful building, one of the nice apartment buildings I’ve ever been in. And maybe I can afford to live there - what does it matter to you?


It matters jack to me, and if you can afford to live in it, great! My remark had really nothing to do with you and if you took offense, my apologies. It was a commentary about how the entire Hudson Yards project was heavily subsidized with tax payer money, which is sorta like Social Welfare for the .1%. Capeesh?

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Bergen346 : 3/15/2019 2:27 pm : link
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Crazy amenities..... full sized professional basketball court, rock wall, golf simulator. Pretty sick.


Yea, see if you can afford to live there.



Point is it’s a beautiful building, one of the nice apartment buildings I’ve ever been in. And maybe I can afford to live there - what does it matter to you?



It matters jack to me, and if you can afford to live in it, great! My remark had really nothing to do with you and if you took offense, my apologies. It was a commentary about how the entire Hudson Yards project was heavily subsidized with tax payer money, which is sorta like Social Welfare for the .1%. Capeesh?


No offense taken, just thought it was an odd comment to make.

Also not entirely sure what you mean by social welfare for the .1%? Maybe you mean corporate welfare? I’m pretty sure an individual’s rent is not subsidized with taxpayer money.... however subsidies given to the developer to build the project very much could be considered “corporate welfare”
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M.S. : 3/15/2019 2:45 pm : link
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Crazy amenities..... full sized professional basketball court, rock wall, golf simulator. Pretty sick.


Yea, see if you can afford to live there.



Point is it’s a beautiful building, one of the nice apartment buildings I’ve ever been in. And maybe I can afford to live there - what does it matter to you?



It matters jack to me, and if you can afford to live in it, great! My remark had really nothing to do with you and if you took offense, my apologies. It was a commentary about how the entire Hudson Yards project was heavily subsidized with tax payer money, which is sorta like Social Welfare for the .1%. Capeesh?




No offense taken, just thought it was an odd comment to make.

Also not entirely sure what you mean by social welfare for the .1%? Maybe you mean corporate welfare? I’m pretty sure an individual’s rent is not subsidized with taxpayer money.... however subsidies given to the developer to build the project very much could be considered “corporate welfare”


You're definitely right... more like "Corporate Welfare."

And just to blab on a little longer, I think what bugs me about the entire development is how the ordinary, every day New Yorker, who struggles to get by, will never get a sniff of the place, save perhaps for the 10% of subsidized apartments set aside. Which says nothing about the $700 per night (and up) hotel rooms at the new Equinox Hotel.

I've been to the site numerous times and feel very strongly that the buildings are gaudy glass monuments to themselves with zero architectural harmony between them. Just a lot of Ritz and glitz. I'm gonna reserve judgement until the landscape architects undertake their work to see if the area is at all inviting to the public, or is just a quasi-public oasis. Given that so much was subsidized with tax payer dollars, I sure hope it's the former!

I've blabbed myself out.
My office is moving there in a month or two.  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/15/2019 2:49 pm : link
Gonna miss walking to work :(
Was just there with some co-workers  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 2:59 pm : link
The mall is really nice. Very high end. Had Jack's Coffee and Dylan's Candy Bar so I'm happy
thing that is amazing  
giantfan2000 : 3/15/2019 5:25 pm : link
this all started with Subway extension to Javit center
it is crazy that NYC doesn't build more subway lines ...
NYC definitely needs to get control of subway
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M.S. : 3/15/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14340783 giantfan2000 said:
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this all started with Subway extension to Javit center
it is crazy that NYC doesn't build more subway lines ...
NYC definitely needs to get control of subway


Now that's what I'm talking about... the money for the subways ain't there because billions of tax dollars went to the developers of Hudson Yards!
I’ll be going myself for a tour  
Rover : 3/15/2019 6:23 pm : link
In two weeks
Wilson Fisk won  
Ron from Ninerland : 3/15/2019 7:29 pm : link
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Apparetnly more give-aways to the uber-rich  
Jay in Toronto : 3/15/2019 7:48 pm : link
than the Amazon deal.


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Gary from The East End : Admin : 3/15/2019 8:22 pm : link
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than the Amazon deal.
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I can't see how you count extending the subway line as a subsidy. It's something that was needed for a long time.
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Jay in Toronto : 3/15/2019 8:37 pm : link
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than the Amazon deal.
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I can't see how you count extending the subway line as a subsidy. It's something that was needed for a long time.


Don't know enough to know whether the extension of #7 IRT would not have happened anyway. Nevertheless, the Times article focused on breaks (including ongoing ones) given to developers.

Are there any units set aside for affordable housing?
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bluepepper : 3/15/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14340783 giantfan2000 said:
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this all started with Subway extension to Javit center
it is crazy that NYC doesn't build more subway lines ...
NYC definitely needs to get control of subway

Well the costs are just off the charts insane - see the 2nd Avenue saga. But even as high as they are I think you're probably right that in terms of economic benefit there is almost no price that isn't worth it to extend the subway in the right places (big caveat).
I was just at 10 Hudson Yards at an event on Wednsday  
BestFeature : 3/15/2019 9:47 pm : link
Very nice building but it took me three times as long to get there from the train than it would have if not for the construction.
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BestFeature : 3/15/2019 9:48 pm : link
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than the Amazon deal.
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The guy that worked at the company that I visited basically said that but unlike Amazon no one cared. Appears that some people do...
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Bergen346 : 3/15/2019 10:30 pm : link
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than the Amazon deal.
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The guy that worked at the company that I visited basically said that but unlike Amazon no one cared. Appears that some people do...



This article is very misleading. We live in a global economy... Investing billions in ANY project is a massive risk. Cities all over the world are competing to increase development..... wealthy individuals do not have their rent or list price subsidized by taxpayers. Developers, who take on significant risk to invest and build beautiful buildings in Manhattan do. And BTW... these apartment buildings want the listing on their rent to be as high as possible. No one actually pays full list.... there’s always deals. Two months free right now at HY.... its a scheme to keep value high but no one is actually paying 5,200 for a 1 bedroom.

Also, if you dont want NY to provide subsidies for development then get comfortable living in/around a city on the decline... the Amazon “no-deal” was a disgrace and hurt NYC more than one can realize. Keep forcing deals out and bitching about “corporate welfare” and NY will fall into dispare/behind as deals go to other parts of the globe.... and then you’ll be begging for some socialist to come bail you out.. but maybe that was their goal the entire time! Ha! Good luck.
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Bergen346 : 3/15/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14340868 M.S. said:
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this all started with Subway extension to Javit center
it is crazy that NYC doesn't build more subway lines ...
NYC definitely needs to get control of subway



Now that's what I'm talking about... the money for the subways ain't there because billions of tax dollars went to the developers of Hudson Yards!



You are a moron
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giantfan2000 : 3/16/2019 9:36 am : link
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this all started with Subway extension to Javit center
it is crazy that NYC doesn't build more subway lines ...
NYC definitely needs to get control of subway



Now that's what I'm talking about... the money for the subways ain't there because billions of tax dollars went to the developers of Hudson Yards!


actually this is correct -- the extension for Javis Center was paid entirely by NYC not MTA = NYC funded the extension by issuing bonds that are paid by future real estate taxes of new development around new subway stop.. seems like it was a great way to fund this extension .

the downside is that the extension cost way way too much -- there was actually an additional subway stop on 42 and 10th avenue that was no built because of the expense (it could be built in future)

I am convinced that if NYC took control of Subway then construction cost would drop dramatically ... right now you have. situation where Albany and Governor control hiring and cost of Subway Construction .. they have no motivation to bring cost down
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