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Rashan Gary met with Giants this morning at pro day

ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 11:41 am
he's my pick at #6 so long as Williams, Bosa, and Allen are gone

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Michigan DT Rashan Gary isnít working out at pro day, but he is meeting with teams. He told me the first one this morning was with ... the #Giants. More later on @nflnetwork
Where is his agent dep...  
bw in dc : 3/15/2019 11:44 am : link
to tell us he's the next Reggie White? ;)
Very much in play at 6  
Chris684 : 3/15/2019 11:45 am : link
Although Iíd probably go Sweat over Gary if they go edge rush there.
RE: Where is his agent dep...  
dep026 : 3/15/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14339760 bw in dc said:
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to tell us he's the next Reggie White? ;)


Hes starting his own agency, remember?
Correction...  
bw in dc : 3/15/2019 11:48 am : link
former agent dep.
If the Giants  
Matt in SGS : 3/15/2019 11:48 am : link
aren't trading up to get Murray, I hope they get one of these DL and Gary should be in that mix at 6.
Josh Allen and Gary are my 1 and 1A  
j_rud : 3/15/2019 11:48 am : link
Would be psyched to get either
RE: Correction...  
dep026 : 3/15/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14339776 bw in dc said:
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former agent dep.


Thats better.
RE: Very much in play at 6  
Amtoft : 3/15/2019 11:50 am : link
In comment 14339762 Chris684 said:
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Although Iíd probably go Sweat over Gary if they go edge rush there.


Gary is not an edge rusher... He is 3-4 DE which we also need, but Edge rushers are Bosa, Josh Allen, Sweat, etc. Gary is a 3-4 DE like Q Williams, Ed Oliver, etc.
Not a surprise  
jeff57 : 3/15/2019 11:52 am : link
But I would prefer someone else at 6. Would take him if he dropped to 17, or if they trade up a couple of spots.
RE: RE: Very much in play at 6  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 11:55 am : link
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Although Iíd probably go Sweat over Gary if they go edge rush there.



Gary is not an edge rusher... He is 3-4 DE which we also need, but Edge rushers are Bosa, Josh Allen, Sweat, etc. Gary is a 3-4 DE like Q Williams, Ed Oliver, etc.


They could play him on the outside. He's that athletic. He'll probably be like Jabrill Peppers in the sense that he'll line up all over.
I know JonC  
Dave on the UWS : 3/15/2019 11:56 am : link
would love Gary (I wouldn't hate it either). I like the explosive ER though (Allen, Burns or Sweat). If no QB, those are the guys I like. Or White inside, the first real run and hit LB we would have in ages!
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Lionhart28 : 3/15/2019 11:57 am : link
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Although Iíd probably go Sweat over Gary if they go edge rush there.



Gary is not an edge rusher... He is 3-4 DE which we also need, but Edge rushers are Bosa, Josh Allen, Sweat, etc. Gary is a 3-4 DE like Q Williams, Ed Oliver, etc.



They could play him on the outside. He's that athletic. He'll probably be like Jabrill Peppers in the sense that he'll line up all over.


No question he's athletic enough to do it, but he has very little production as a pass rusher.
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Amtoft : 3/15/2019 11:59 am : link
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Although Iíd probably go Sweat over Gary if they go edge rush there.



Gary is not an edge rusher... He is 3-4 DE which we also need, but Edge rushers are Bosa, Josh Allen, Sweat, etc. Gary is a 3-4 DE like Q Williams, Ed Oliver, etc.



They could play him on the outside. He's that athletic. He'll probably be like Jabrill Peppers in the sense that he'll line up all over.


You can't be serious in thinking Gary is going to be a an OLB? That is the edge rusher in a 3-4. He is a 3-4 DE which we also need, but an edge rusher is a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB. Gary is not this.
Gary  
Sammo85 : 3/15/2019 12:00 pm : link
is somewhat scheme-flexible in a 3-4. He can play DE in some base and sub packages alike and also line up as OLB.

I could see Bettcher pounding the table hard for a guy like Gary. Heís a guy who could do real damage in this kind of D.

I see Gary having a very productive pro career.
Gary would be the 5 tech  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 12:01 pm : link
in 3-4. Heís incredibly explosive.
Glaring lack of production relative to talent level  
Pan-handler : 3/15/2019 12:03 pm : link
Glaring.

Those are generally not the guys you take in the top 10. They miss a whole lot more often than they hit. Even Jadaveon with his freak measurables has not been a pass rushing force . He's been solid but not anywhere near what his measurables say he could be. Gary concerns me greatly. Chubb last year had both (though I didnt love his 3 cone) his production was excellent and other measurables were strong.
RE: Gary would be the 5 tech  
Sammo85 : 3/15/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14339819 ryanmkeane said:
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in 3-4. Heís incredibly explosive.


I think heíd be terrific for us. Heís right there in a group of three or four players we should be expecting and hoping for. I have Christian Wilkins in there also.
another do nothing Michigan product  
Greg from LI : 3/15/2019 12:07 pm : link
Swell
Pan handler  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 12:07 pm : link
JJ Watt didnít have a ton of college production. Beckham didnít have a ton of college production. You have to look beyond that. Itís about the projection in a certain system, can the guy play football at a pro bowl level and is he a top line effort/character guy. Gary fits the bill.
Greg I remember you mentioning  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 12:08 pm : link
we should pass on barkley and take Penny from San Diego State because Penny had more production in college. How did that turn out?
Really? I suggested drafting Rashaad Penny at @2 overall?  
Greg from LI : 3/15/2019 12:09 pm : link
Point me in the direction of that comment, please.
The college production  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 12:10 pm : link
narrative is tiresome and lazy at this point. Does it matter? Sure, a little. But it's a whole different ballgame when projecting a guy in the pros.
Yeah, he'd fit best as the 5-tech  
jeff57 : 3/15/2019 12:11 pm : link
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So I went back and watched him  
Amtoft : 3/15/2019 12:11 pm : link
vs. Ohio State and he isn't a 3-4 DE. He gets pushed around to much. He doesn't make plays because he gets fooled to much. He reads plays wrong like crazy. Some guys are always in the right place at the right time and that isn't Gary. I am not a fan.
RE: Really? I suggested drafting Rashaad Penny at @2 overall?  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14339848 Greg from LI said:
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Point me in the direction of that comment, please.

If you read what I said, I said you suggested we should not take Barkley at #2. You said we should pass, and go after other RBs in the draft like Penny who had better production. All you did was compare yardage and YPC, and touchdowns. And because Penny's was slightly better, you said we should not take Barkley and look at other backs (not at #2 overall)

Point I'm making is, that line of thinking is not only incredibly flawed but is just not the right way to go about things when taking a guy in the NFL. You have to look at what he'll be able to do.
RE: another do nothing Michigan product  
dep026 : 3/15/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14339840 Greg from LI said:
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We need more Clint sintims on this team.
RE: Gary would be the 5 tech  
JonC : 3/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14339819 ryanmkeane said:
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in 3-4. Heís incredibly explosive.


Not solely.

Unfortunately, there's no perfect pick at #6.
RE: RE: Really? I suggested drafting Rashaad Penny at @2 overall?  
Amtoft : 3/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14339856 ryanmkeane said:
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Point me in the direction of that comment, please.


If you read what I said, I said you suggested we should not take Barkley at #2. You said we should pass, and go after other RBs in the draft like Penny who had better production. All you did was compare yardage and YPC, and touchdowns. And because Penny's was slightly better, you said we should not take Barkley and look at other backs (not at #2 overall)

Point I'm making is, that line of thinking is not only incredibly flawed but is just not the right way to go about things when taking a guy in the NFL. You have to look at what he'll be able to do.


You watch Barkley and you can see the talent. Gary I don't see it... maybe I am watching the wrong games. Point me to a game where you think he was good?
RE: So I went back and watched him  
dep026 : 3/15/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14339854 Amtoft said:
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vs. Ohio State and he isn't a 3-4 DE. He gets pushed around to much. He doesn't make plays because he gets fooled to much. He reads plays wrong like crazy. Some guys are always in the right place at the right time and that isn't Gary. I am not a fan.


He was hurt. This has been clearly established. Go look at the 2017 film against OSU. Best player on the field. Dominated that game.
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Amtoft : 3/15/2019 12:16 pm : link
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in 3-4. Heís incredibly explosive.



Not solely.

Unfortunately, there's no perfect pick at #6.


Sure there is... If one of Bosa, Allen or Q Williams fall. Boom perfect pick.
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Amtoft : 3/15/2019 12:17 pm : link
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vs. Ohio State and he isn't a 3-4 DE. He gets pushed around to much. He doesn't make plays because he gets fooled to much. He reads plays wrong like crazy. Some guys are always in the right place at the right time and that isn't Gary. I am not a fan.



He was hurt. This has been clearly established. Go look at the 2017 film against OSU. Best player on the field. Dominated that game.


Fair enough I will go look, but what I saw was him getting fooled and in the wrong spot a lot. Let me check it out.
Oh, you mean I said wasting the #2 overall pick on a running back  
Greg from LI : 3/15/2019 12:17 pm : link
was really stupid when you get can rather good running backs later in the draft?

What was our record with the Hand of God last year, again?
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JonC : 3/15/2019 12:18 pm : link
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in 3-4. Heís incredibly explosive.



Not solely.

Unfortunately, there's no perfect pick at #6.



Sure there is... If one of Bosa, Allen or Q Williams fall. Boom perfect pick.


Bosa is except for the injuries. Lots of risk with Allen, I don't see us picking Q for a 3-4.
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dep026 : 3/15/2019 12:19 pm : link
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vs. Ohio State and he isn't a 3-4 DE. He gets pushed around to much. He doesn't make plays because he gets fooled to much. He reads plays wrong like crazy. Some guys are always in the right place at the right time and that isn't Gary. I am not a fan.



He was hurt. This has been clearly established. Go look at the 2017 film against OSU. Best player on the field. Dominated that game.



Fair enough I will go look, but what I saw was him getting fooled and in the wrong spot a lot. Let me check it out.


His 2017 highlight film is the one to watch.

I am not saying he is perfect, but he played all of last year hurt.
RE: RE: another do nothing Michigan product  
Greg from LI : 3/15/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14339861 dep026 said:
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We need more Clint sintims on this team.


I know you think you're being funny, but a healthy Clint Sintim would be perfect for this defense. Ain't his fault that they tried to force him into being a player he wasn't.
Probably couldn't construct a better prototype for this D in a lab  
AcesUp : 3/15/2019 12:23 pm : link
Size, weight, speed, length. He's best on the line but could play Edge as well. He's incredibly versatile. I'd just be a little worried that he doesn't play either position well enough to justify the pick at 6. He wasn't the best player on that D, probably not even the best player on that DL either. On a defense loaded with talent his production was pedestrian. That's a major red flag, too red from tastes at 6.

Then again, if he produced he goes #1 overall. So tht's why he's even an option. There are other players I'd lean toward on defense with that pick though. I'd put Oliver, Sweat, Burns and White ahead of him. In another draft I could see it being worth it but not this year given the other options.
Greg  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 12:24 pm : link
going back and forth is a waste of both our time. Sorry I brought up the Barkley thing. But I think Gary will be way better in the pros than college. He's incredibly athletic for his size. And he's a worker.
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Amtoft : 3/15/2019 12:29 pm : link
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vs. Ohio State and he isn't a 3-4 DE. He gets pushed around to much. He doesn't make plays because he gets fooled to much. He reads plays wrong like crazy. Some guys are always in the right place at the right time and that isn't Gary. I am not a fan.



He was hurt. This has been clearly established. Go look at the 2017 film against OSU. Best player on the field. Dominated that game.



Fair enough I will go look, but what I saw was him getting fooled and in the wrong spot a lot. Let me check it out.



His 2017 highlight film is the one to watch.

I am not saying he is perfect, but he played all of last year hurt.


See still not a fan. He had a really good stunt where to blows by the guard for a nice sack, but to many times he is out of position and chasing the play. He is constantly being pushed out of the play or getting fooled out of the play. He doesn't like very big either to play 3-4 DE. I am not sure he is a good fit for us, but I will say you can see hustle and good speed on him. I just don't see a very good football player and that is just me. That last Ohio State rushing TD was all on him. He crashed down and let the RB run through his spot for an easy TD.
Gary  
cokeduplt : 3/15/2019 12:32 pm : link
Scares me. Too little production too much bust potential
Gary said  
jeff57 : 3/15/2019 12:32 pm : link
He's been invited by the Giants and Jets or an in person visit.
Amtoft  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 12:34 pm : link
Gary is 6í4 280. Heís huge.
RE: If the Giants  
Giants38 : 3/15/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14339777 Matt in SGS said:
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aren't trading up to get Murray, I hope they get one of these DL and Gary should be in that mix at 6.


We arenít going to get Murray, because that would make me happy, and nothing this team is doing is indicative of a team looking to move up and draft him. If weíre all in on winning now - because we have a delusional GM - we are using the 6 pick on a DL. The 17 pick will be Daniel Jones. Hate it, as I do, but thatís reality.
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Amtoft : 3/15/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14339935 ryanmkeane said:
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Gary is 6í4 280. Heís huge.


He measured in at the combine at 6'4 277... that is small for a 3-4 DE which should be at least 290 or close to it. He would need to add 13 lbs which he could do and if we did take him that is what I want. If you can get him up to like 290-295 and still keep most of his speed and quickness you may have something, but at 6 I would much prefer Ed Oliver if we were taking a 3-4 DE which we need.
This is the most Gettleman player  
Sy'56 : 3/15/2019 2:15 pm : link
in the 1st round
MIchigan Man  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/15/2019 2:26 pm : link
and a beast. Iíd take him.
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allstarjim : 3/15/2019 2:27 pm : link
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Gary is 6í4 280. Heís huge.



He measured in at the combine at 6'4 277... that is small for a 3-4 DE which should be at least 290 or close to it. He would need to add 13 lbs which he could do and if we did take him that is what I want. If you can get him up to like 290-295 and still keep most of his speed and quickness you may have something, but at 6 I would much prefer Ed Oliver if we were taking a 3-4 DE which we need.


For the 5-tech 277 is fine. By the way, Josh Mauro played that spot last year at 271 (per Ourlads, 282 per BBI and pro football reference).
a lineman at  
BigBlueCane : 3/15/2019 2:29 pm : link
6 makes and a QB either at 17 or in the 2nd is my guess.
Would rather a QB or ER  
732NYG : 3/15/2019 2:30 pm : link
than a 5 tech lacking production with a top 10 pick.
Here's a highlight from 2017  
RobCarpenter : 3/15/2019 3:19 pm : link
Sweat  
TommyWiseau : 3/15/2019 4:28 pm : link
Over Gary any day
RE: This is the most Gettleman player  
ryanmkeane : 3/16/2019 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14340264 Sy'56 said:
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in the 1st round

A worker who can dominate up front, not just a Gettleman player but a football player
If no QB and Q.Will, Bosa, Allen are gone  
Pan-handler : 3/16/2019 10:34 pm : link
and for some reason they don't like Montez Sweat, I'd go Greedy Williams here. Guy erases his part of the feild. He mirrors guys patterns really well.
RE: RE: RE: another do nothing Michigan product  
djm : 3/17/2019 2:02 am : link
In comment 14339897 Greg from LI said:
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We need more Clint sintims on this team.



I know you think you're being funny, but a healthy Clint Sintim would be perfect for this defense. Ain't his fault that they tried to force him into being a player he wasn't.


Oh please. Ainít his fault? The giants donít know how to develop defensive players? Yes, it was Clintís fault. He sucked.
I like Christian  
section125 : 3/17/2019 2:13 am : link
Wilkins better for the DL, but I think DG is looking for edge rushers.
Not a pass rusher and not enough production  
TD : 3/17/2019 2:39 am : link
Hard pass!
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