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Possible Asshat Info Regarding Josh Rosen Trade

Anakim : 3/15/2019 8:26 pm
A co-worker of mine who claims to know someone with an NFC West team told me that a Josh Rosen trade is not, I repeat, NOT imminent, but the Giants ARE interested in Rosen and are keeping tabs. He said that Cardinals want a first rounder, but will "settle" for a second rounder if they conclude that Kyler Murray is their QB of the future, which many believe they will.

However, the Cardinals may be willing to Hasson Reddick (specifically) in any Rosen deal in order to get a better pick. Giants would presumably be interested because apparently, James Bettcher was the driving force behind the Reddick pick and think he has "the potential to be an All-Pro." He thinks that the Giants will probably be willing to part with 17 if the deal is Rosen AND Reddick.
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I'm  
Jon in NYC : 3/15/2019 8:47 pm : link
in for Rosen + Reddick for no. 17.
RE: Damn guess I missed that part. Thanks  
Jay on the Island : 3/15/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14341145 ZGiants98 said:
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Still think it would have made more sense if you said we would have been getting back 4 former first round picks for Beckham AND Vernon. But gotcha.

I did lol.

If this is true
Jay on the Island : 8:30 pm : link : reply
And the Giants made this move it would essentially be Beckham and Vernon for Rosen, Zeitler, Reddick, Peppers, and a 3rd.
Iím posting on my iphone  
Jay on the Island : 3/15/2019 8:51 pm : link
So i get lazy writing and often leave stuff out Iíd normally include.
RE: RE: Damn guess I missed that part. Thanks  
ZGiants98 : 3/15/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14341153 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14341145 ZGiants98 said:


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Still think it would have made more sense if you said we would have been getting back 4 former first round picks for Beckham AND Vernon. But gotcha.


I did lol.

If this is true
Jay on the Island : 8:30 pm : link : reply
And the Giants made this move it would essentially be Beckham and Vernon for Rosen, Zeitler, Reddick, Peppers, and a 3rd.


🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Holy smokes. Lol. Long day and even longer week. Apologies.
So this is just saying  
adamg : 3/15/2019 8:51 pm : link
the Giants are interested in Rosen but there are no talks currently?
RE: So this is just saying  
GFAN52 : 3/15/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14341159 adamg said:
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the Giants are interested in Rosen but there are no talks currently?


This part...."interested in Rosen and are keeping tabs."
RE: Was this info before the Miami trade of Tannehill?  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14341117 GFAN52 said:
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Because at this point I would think they are the front-runners for Rosen and probably would be willing to trade their #13 1st rd pick.


I don't know when my co-worker and his friend spoke
Itís fine dude  
Jay on the Island : 3/15/2019 8:56 pm : link
Iíve been so down on the future of this franchise prior to the last two days. If they pulled off this trade or came away with Murray in the draft then I would feel significantly more hopeful about the direction of this team. I believe Rosen has franchise upside and it would be fun to see him develop next to Barkley. Trade a 2nd for Rosen then draft Sweat and OT Andre Dillard or Jawaan Taylor in the 1st round and I will be excited heading into the season.
RE: RE: So this is just saying  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14341161 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 14341159 adamg said:


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the Giants are interested in Rosen but there are no talks currently?



This part...."interested in Rosen and are keeping tabs."


His words. My guess is that he meant that the Giants are monitoring the situation.
RE: Only problem is the Giants have already decided ,  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14341133 TMS said:
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They do not want Rosen at all. Accept it and stop nagging everyone. Post after post after post.


You must be new here. I'm not a fan of Rosen. I've been pretty vocal about that. He was my fourth ranked QB in the Draft last year.
Again why would rosen accept sitting behind eli for a yr  
micky : 3/15/2019 9:00 pm : link
Than to go somewhere to start. Its a wasted yr for him in his career.
RE: Again why would rosen accept sitting behind eli for a yr  
Anakim : 3/15/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14341170 micky said:
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Than to go somewhere to start. Its a wasted yr for him in his career.


This is me talking: it's not up to him. He can't veto any trade. Cardinals can send him to wherever they see fit.
RE: RE: RE: So this is just saying  
GFAN52 : 3/15/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14341167 Anakim said:
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In comment 14341161 GFAN52 said:


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In comment 14341159 adamg said:


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the Giants are interested in Rosen but there are no talks currently?



This part...."interested in Rosen and are keeping tabs."



His words. My guess is that he meant that the Giants are monitoring the situation.


Thanks, that's how I would read it. If the report of the Giants disinterest in Haskins is accurate, it makes sense they would monitor Rosen to see what AZ would be looking for in return, and how may other teams are interested as well.
RE: Again why would rosen accept sitting behind eli for a yr  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/15/2019 9:03 pm : link
micky said:
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Than to go somewhere to start. Its a wasted yr for him in his career.
He's entering the second year of his rookie contract. What's he going to do? Hold out? Retire and start training for Wimbledon?
RE: Reddick has been a  
Mike from Ohio : 3/15/2019 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14341125 Bill in UT said:
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nothingburger. It's like offering to throw in Apple


Interesting that Peppers and Reddick are seen as first rounders when we are getting them, but they donít see Flowers or Apple that way.
Another Rosen thread will it ever end.?  
TMS : 3/15/2019 9:04 pm : link
Guess not . He will be concussed out of the league in two years or less rthen sue the league. Thats a plan but for him, not the Giants. DG knows this, it never happens i hope so
I could see an Eli/Rosen tandem working  
ZGiants98 : 3/15/2019 9:06 pm : link
If they kept both. Sort of like Warner/Eli's year where Eli really did take over about 2/3rds of the way through.

I know Rosen already had his rookie season but he could probably use a little more time marinating.
RE: Again why would rosen accept sitting behind eli for a yr  
ZogZerg : 3/15/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14341170 micky said:
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Than to go somewhere to start. Its a wasted yr for him in his career.


AGAIN -
He has NO SAY.
He still gets paid
QBs have long careers usually (if good).

Why would he mind even if he had a say?
RE: RE: Reddick has been a  
Jay on the Island : 3/15/2019 9:12 pm : link
In comment 14341178 Mike from Ohio said:
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nothingburger. It's like offering to throw in Apple



Interesting that Peppers and Reddick are seen as first rounders when we are getting them, but they donít see Flowers or Apple that way.

Peppers has outplayed both Flowers and Apple so far and is only 23 still which means he will likely continue to improve.
I'm not sure Rosen's value changes much after Arizona drafts Murray.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/15/2019 9:15 pm : link
In a League with 31 potential buyers for a given player (though maybe only four or five for Rosen), and only one seller, the needs of the buyer tend to set the price rather than the urgency of the seller. The Cardinals may conclude that their best play is to hold onto Josh Rosen until a team with a crappy backup loses its starter to injury or other acts of God. From Steve Walsh to A.J. Feeley to Donovan McNabb to Sam Bradford to Alex Smith, with many in between, a lot of surplus QBs have fetched high returns. (I won't mention Cr**g M*rt*n, out of courtesy to those who are old enough to remember that disaster.)
I'm not big on Rosen but  
widmerseyebrow : 3/15/2019 9:17 pm : link
he's an ideal bridge to 2021 and dreams of Lawrence if he falls on his face for two years. If he pans out, then great.
RE: I'm not sure Rosen's value changes much after Arizona drafts Murray.  
eric2425ny : 3/15/2019 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14341192 Big Blue Blogger said:
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In a League with 31 potential buyers for a given player (though maybe only four or five for Rosen), and only one seller, the needs of the buyer tend to set the price rather than the urgency of the seller. The Cardinals may conclude that their best play is to hold onto Josh Rosen until a team with a crappy backup loses its starter to injury or other acts of God. From Steve Walsh to A.J. Feeley to Donovan McNabb to Sam Bradford to Alex Smith, with many in between, a lot of surplus QBs have fetched high returns. (I won't mention Cr**g M*rt*n, out of courtesy to those who are old enough to remember that disaster.)


Totally agree, the Cardinals are not exactly in win now mode. They donít have to trade Rosen immediately. They may even want to put him out there in preseason and showcase him for a game to create a market since his rookie season wasnít one for the ages, some of that on him, with a lot of it due to his supporting cast as well.
RE: Again why would rosen accept sitting behind eli for a yr  
Boy Cord : 3/15/2019 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14341170 micky said:
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Than to go somewhere to start. Its a wasted yr for him in his career.


He doesnít have much say in the matter. The Cardinals are going to maximize their trade value. Heís in year two of a rookie deal. He has no leverage.

Some of these hypothetical trades are ridiculous. And itís not just on BBI, itís on DC sports radio, too. The Cardinals arenít going to give Rosen away.

They have several suitors and the teams being linked most often pick 13, 15, and 17, and who knows who else is out there. If any of these teams think Rosen has franchise-QB talent, they would be insane not to give up their 1st-round pick ... like tomorrow.

How many teams would have given up the 13, 15, or 17 for Eli after the 2004 season? He looked like ass for the most part. Based on this hypothetical scenario, these teams would have made a mistake not using a mid-1st the following year. Rosen is not a bust. He may be in time, but he isnít now. His team was awful.

All it takes is one team to believe the talent is there. The odds of the Giants or any team getting Rosen for a 2nd arenít good, let alone a 3rd or a 4th.
It would be ideal  
Pork Chop : 3/15/2019 9:44 pm : link
if they could do this before Sunday.
Do it  
UberAlias : 3/15/2019 9:47 pm : link
.
RE: Do it  
Boy Cord : 3/15/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14341226 UberAlias said:
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Do what?
Make a deal for Rosen  
UberAlias : 3/15/2019 9:50 pm : link
.
I do think people are underestimating what it will cost  
UberAlias : 3/15/2019 9:54 pm : link
The guy was a top 10 pick last year and likely higher on some boards.
Rosen & Reddick  
mrvax : 3/15/2019 10:02 pm : link
for pick #17? I'd have to go for it, if the Giants can see Rosen being our new QB for years.
RE: Rosen & Reddick  
Capt. Don : 3/15/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14341249 mrvax said:
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for pick #17? I'd have to go for it, if the Giants can see Rosen being our new QB for years.


I'd want a sweetener but Sy said he would consider sending 6.
Thanks for the info Anak but until  
JCin332 : 3/15/2019 10:13 pm : link
jt confirms this I think its BS...
RE: RE: Again why would rosen accept sitting behind eli for a yr  
FStubbs : 3/15/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14341209 Boy Cord said:
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In comment 14341170 micky said:


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Than to go somewhere to start. Its a wasted yr for him in his career.



He doesnít have much say in the matter. The Cardinals are going to maximize their trade value. Heís in year two of a rookie deal. He has no leverage.

Some of these hypothetical trades are ridiculous. And itís not just on BBI, itís on DC sports radio, too. The Cardinals arenít going to give Rosen away.

They have several suitors and the teams being linked most often pick 13, 15, and 17, and who knows who else is out there. If any of these teams think Rosen has franchise-QB talent, they would be insane not to give up their 1st-round pick ... like tomorrow.

How many teams would have given up the 13, 15, or 17 for Eli after the 2004 season? He looked like ass for the most part. Based on this hypothetical scenario, these teams would have made a mistake not using a mid-1st the following year. Rosen is not a bust. He may be in time, but he isnít now. His team was awful.

All it takes is one team to believe the talent is there. The odds of the Giants or any team getting Rosen for a 2nd arenít good, let alone a 3rd or a 4th.


This is a good point. Giants would definitely have not gotten a 1st round pick for Eli after 2004 - probably not even a 2nd.
RE: I do think people are underestimating what it will cost  
Boy Cord : 3/15/2019 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14341241 UberAlias said:
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The guy was a top 10 pick last year and likely higher on some boards.


You summed up what I was trying to say in my rambling post in two sentences. The bottom line is if the Giants think Rosen can be the guy, send the #17 and send it fast. Totally with you on that. Then we pray he isn't Matt Leinart.
Reddick  
ryanmkeane : 3/15/2019 10:36 pm : link
And Rosen for 17? Sign me the fuck up.
Last yearís pick doesnít matter  
Oscar : 3/15/2019 10:49 pm : link
If heís not the Cardinals guy and they want Murray. Theyíre not getting 95 cents on the dollar for Rosen, which is what the #17 pick would be. The only way theyíre getting that kind of return is if thereís a bidding war and frankly I doubt thatíll happen. There are probably a lot of teams that would be interested for a third round pick, maybe a few that would trade a second round pick. Maybe if Belichick loves Rosen as a prospect heíd trade #32 overall but I canít see that.

I think they will trade him and itíll end up being for a second round pick. Maybe a late round swap as well or something.

I would be disappointed if the Giants gave up #17 for him, Iíd also be surprised. You know they arenít in love with him as a player or they would have just drafted him last season. I donít know what he showed this year that would have drastically altered any pre-draft opinion in a positive direction. Also in this scenario the Cards had him in their building for a year and are trying to dump him which is telling.

....  
Beer Man : 3/15/2019 10:53 pm : link
Never ending Rosen thing never ends  
TMS : 3/15/2019 11:06 pm : link
So sick of this two year attempt to get this loser to NY,
Rosen  
Archer : 3/15/2019 11:09 pm : link
I have read that there are other teams who have expressed interest in Rosen
It appears that New England is also talking with Arizona
The Pats have a lot of picks

If the Giants want Rosen the trade may be the Giants 17th for Arizonaí s 33rd + Rosen
RE: Never ending Rosen thing never ends  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/15/2019 11:21 pm : link
TMS said:
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So sick of this two year attempt to get this loser to NY.

If I understand you correctly, TMS, you don't care for Josh Rosen. You don't like his game, his personality, his medical history, his background, his outside interests, or the baseball cap he wore in a photo on a golf course three years ago. Thank you for sharing your views. I watch very little college ball, so I rely on fellow posters for insight on prospects and young pros.
RE: I'm  
SGMen : 3/15/2019 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14341152 Jon in NYC said:
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in for Rosen + Reddick for no. 17.
agreed
Itís Murray or defense...  
OBJ_AllDay : 3/16/2019 12:23 am : link
If Rosen is their guy Iím throwing in the towel. The smugness, family and overall demeanor... with the ny media??!! Forget it... donít sell me on attitude changes by jettisoning OBJ then sell me on Tate and Rosen. Locker room altercations, banging qbs wives and being hated by former teammates and coaches isnít a recipe for success.

Interestingly not a peep on Tateís Jerry maguire rendition. If it were Beckham half this board would be having a coronary. Hypocrites...
TMS gets it, Rosen is not a franchise qb. He is a huge medical risk,  
plato : 3/16/2019 1:21 am : link
he is also a ? personality for leading an NFL locker room. Get off this daily obsession.
RE: If this is true  
bw in dc : 3/16/2019 2:07 am : link
In comment 14341094 Jay on the Island said:
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And the Giants made this move it would essentially be Beckham and Vernon for Rosen, Zeitler, Reddick, Peppers, and a 3rd.


Interesting take.

And we seemingly get healthier players. Which is important - the best ability is availability.
Anakim  
SLIM_ : 3/16/2019 4:30 am : link
Thanks for the info. There is conflicting reports related to Rosen so I'm not disputing yours but have a different question. If Reddick is available in a package with Rosen do you think he would be available for a pick? I haven't watched him but it appears that he did play better at the end of the year. Even if he didn't improve, he is a guy that doesn't really fit into a traditional defense that well but if Bechter loves him, we should be making that phone call.


We need a lot more talent than Reddick and Peppers but they both bring interesting skill sets that you could put in different positions that gives the defense some great flexibility.
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RE: i might give up #37 for Rosen  
joeinpa : 3/16/2019 7:44 am : link
In comment 14341108 mphbullet36 said:
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but no way im giving up #17 even if they add Reddick


Element of fans on this board that donít want Giants making any trades unless they a absolutely fleece their trading partner.

There were people here who stated they wouldnít trade Beckham unless they got a 1 and 2 this season and a 1 next season.

Two 1 s and a 2 for a diva slight of build wide receiver who played 16 of last 32 games,

Canít make this stuff up
RE: Never ending Rosen thing never ends  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/16/2019 8:35 am : link
In comment 14341343 TMS said:
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So sick of this two year attempt to get this loser to NY,

So sick of it that you posted in this thread multiple times.
RE: Reddick  
Blue21 : 3/16/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14341316 ryanmkeane said:
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And Rosen for 17? Sign me the fuck up.


Me too. If it's for only a two make the trade and keep walking and don't look back. Can't believe no other team won't offer more than just a two for Rosen alone.
I wouldn't give up Rosen for the 17th.  
bc4life : 3/16/2019 9:51 am : link
Might be worth it but it's not necessary. I might even see if they'd agree to next year's second round pick.
RE: If the Cards wait until they  
Danny80 : 3/16/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14341130 Bill in UT said:
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pick Murray on draft day to shop Rosen, his value drops like a very large stone


Doesn't his value drop the same amount whether he's dealt any time between today and the draft? If the Cardinals offer to deal him today, it's because everyone knows they want to draft Kyler Murray. So, whether it's today or on draft day, the same assumptions should be drawn, no? And that impacts his trade value the same? That said, i don't think the Cardinals are trading Rosen. I think they know what they got in him, and plan to build around him.
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Bill in UT : 3/16/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14342182 Danny80 said:
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In comment 14341130 Bill in UT said:


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pick Murray on draft day to shop Rosen, his value drops like a very large stone



Doesn't his value drop the same amount whether he's dealt any time between today and the draft? If the Cardinals offer to deal him today, it's because everyone knows they want to draft Kyler Murray. So, whether it's today or on draft day, the same assumptions should be drawn, no? And that impacts his trade value the same? That said, i don't think the Cardinals are trading Rosen. I think they know what they got in him, and plan to build around him.


Outside of the Cards' front office, lots of people assume what the Cards are going to do, but nobody knows. Between now and draft day, the teams that have needs for QBs are going to try to fill them before the draft, so teams that are in the market for Rosen today may not be in a month. Fewer buyers competing for him generally means less value. If the Cards can't get what they consider to be value for him, they could decide to keep him and pass on Murray
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