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O Butter Giants 2019 : 3/15/2019 9:33 pm
Just curious to us older crowd, I guess non-millennial. I was born in 1969 and can remember the sweet innocent days of fun in the sun without the internet. Now, my youth was the 80s of course, watching Lawrence Taylor and shit.

Um, what was the offseason like for you? Did you follow the Giants all year long or did you start to become more of an intense fan because of the internet, Bigblueinteractive.com, apps, etc? I never remember even following who the Giants drafted, maybe I read about it in the paper or my father told me.

Did you listen to WFAN religiously during summer days? Sometimes, I'll admit I didn't know who the Giants were playing until Sunday came around, maybe even didn't know if they had a bye week lol

I do miss the days of no internet (because I didn't know what it was) but I love reading stuff when I'm at work or my wife is bitching at me and I'm pretending to be working "on projects"!

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JonT’s newsletter  
Ryan : 3/15/2019 9:36 pm : link
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It started becoming a year-round thing with the advent ...  
Boy Cord : 3/15/2019 9:39 pm : link
... of sports radio. For me that was 1992. Before that it started during training camp with a brief bump at the draft.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 9:42 pm : link
New York Post, Daily News, Giants Insider, Giants Extra, Inside Football.
in the 60's it was the sporting news  
gtt350 : 3/15/2019 9:44 pm : link
Pro football Magizine and I believe you could subcribe to a Giant publication.
The good old days,
When I was in college outside NY area, around the time you were born,  
Ivan15 : 3/15/2019 9:46 pm : link
I read 7 newspapers per day, sports only, trying to keep up with the sports news. Except for the local Utica paper, all were one-day old, and the only NYC paper available was The NY Times. For some reason, the college library didn’t subscribe to journalistic giants like the Daily News and NY Post.

In Florida in the 1970s, the day-old NY Post and NY Daily News were available at the Palm Beach newsstand.
I was born in 1980  
Dodge : 3/15/2019 9:48 pm : link
So I bridge the gap having grown up with no internet, but being young enough to fully embrace it in the late 90s.

Basically newspapers as a kid. And TV.
I always relied on my brother, an avid FAN listener  
exiled : 3/15/2019 9:49 pm : link
Especially once I moved to Boston (‘85) and didn’t get any NY sports news. Eventually I found BBI. But, no, I don’t remember particularly interested in the off-season. I wanted to know who we got in the first round.

It was so much easier to be a fan then, actually. You’d watch the game without dissecting it in the media—every pass, every missed tackle, every freakin’ stat imaginable—the whole next week. And now it’s hard to tune out.
RE: When I was in college outside NY area, around the time you were born,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14341224 Ivan15 said:
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I read 7 newspapers per day, sports only, trying to keep up with the sports news. Except for the local Utica paper, all were one-day old, and the only NYC paper available was The NY Times. For some reason, the college library didn’t subscribe to journalistic giants like the Daily News and NY Post.

In Florida in the 1970s, the day-old NY Post and NY Daily News were available at the Palm Beach newsstand.


Christ, you were stuck with the Utica Dispatch for sports news?
VERY difficult in the old days.  
Red Dog : 3/15/2019 9:53 pm : link
If you were outside the NYC Metro area, getting info on the GIANTS or any other out-of-market NFL team could be very tough in the off season.

I grew up in Binghamton, which was very definitely GIANTS territory, but except for an occasional story about the draft picks or camp opening in the Binghamton Press, there was generally nothing available. Once in a great while there might be something of interest in a magazine, but it was always more feature material or in the case of the draft annuals, not very good about any specific team. And this stuff was always pretty dated by the time it got the the newsstand. In those days (50s & 60s) baseball was bigger than football anyway.

By the 1980s, team newspapers were available and you could subscribe to them and get a much better info flow, if always a week or ten days behind what was currently happening due to the time required to print and mail the publications.

Then cable TV became commonplace with NYC sports coverage all over upstate, followed by the internet, and they provided more detailed, up to the minute information.
New York Post  
ChicagoMarty : 3/15/2019 9:57 pm : link
and Daily News for me

Not satisfactory but in a different way

I was happy for any scrap of news

Now with the Internet you get scraps all of the time and it is not satisfactory in a different sense in that it is difficult to discern the overall plan - the big picture if you will.

Sometimes it all seems ad hoc - you get the sense that management is just making it all up on the fly
when  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:00 pm : link
I started the site in 1995, I was simply screwing around with HTML at work off of my employer's server. I knew nothing about how the internet worked back then. I wasn't even trying to create an audience. I was shocked that people starting following my crappy site.

Why were they? Because they were mostly NY/NJ transplants starving for NYG news.

A few months later, a tech guy came by my desk and said, "You've got to take that site down, you are getting more hits than us."
my resources  
Steve in ATL : 3/15/2019 10:02 pm : link
Inside Football snail mail, NY Post, NY Daily News, NYT, WNEW used to have a Sunday Night Sports special, a publication that might have been called Giants Newsweekly?
As Eric said above  
Allen in CNJ : 3/15/2019 10:03 pm : link
Giants Extra and Inside football were a great resource as were the sporting news, ourlads, the local papers, etc.

I was born in 1976, and I was lucky enough to meet some of the posters here on BBI in the early 90's on the old Giants "message board" on Prodigy - waaaaayyyy back in the day. I was a junior or senior in HS at that time and remember posting about the 93' Giants and I'm pretty sure that was the first year it was up and running.

People like Eric, Patty Traina, and many others that are still around here posted there. It was a very big thing back then!!
High School was easy,,,all the local papers  
John In CO : 3/15/2019 10:03 pm : link
And local news, Warner Wolf, Jerry Girard and the like. But when I joined the military and started travelling around the world, there was Pro Football Weekly and a Giants newspaper/magazine that I cant remember the name of for the life of me...Giants Insider, Giants Monthly...something like that. Anyway, both of those were great.
RE: As Eric said above  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14341251 Allen in CNJ said:
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Giants Extra and Inside football were a great resource as were the sporting news, ourlads, the local papers, etc.

I was born in 1976, and I was lucky enough to meet some of the posters here on BBI in the early 90's on the old Giants "message board" on Prodigy - waaaaayyyy back in the day. I was a junior or senior in HS at that time and remember posting about the 93' Giants and I'm pretty sure that was the first year it was up and running.

People like Eric, Patty Traina, and many others that are still around here posted there. It was a very big thing back then!!


That's how I met Patti...on the old Prodigy boards. I still remember the endless Phil Simms vs. Jeff Hostetler debates.
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:05 pm : link
the thing that sucked about Giants Extra and/or Giants Insider is that they would often arrive AFTER the next game.
Sports Phone  
SirLoinOfBeef : 3/15/2019 10:06 pm : link
for the latest scores.

Hilarious.
Having been born  
mrvax : 3/15/2019 10:09 pm : link
in 1960, I can barely remember reading Sumerian clay tablets to keep up with the latest. It was a PITA writing letters to the editor.
RE: when  
O Butter Giants 2019 : 3/15/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14341245 Eric from BBI said:
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I started the site in 1995, I was simply screwing around with HTML at work off of my employer's server. I knew nothing about how the internet worked back then. I wasn't even trying to create an audience. I was shocked that people starting following my crappy site.

Why were they? Because they were mostly NY/NJ transplants starving for NYG news.

A few months later, a tech guy came by my desk and said, "You've got to take that site down, you are getting more hits than us."


Was this bad for his site or something? I know nothing about computers or was he "offended" that the Giants were more popular than his company?
I lived and worked in Hamburg, Germany 1979-1983  
BocaGene : 3/15/2019 10:10 pm : link
Every Saturday, I would go to the main train station and buy Newsweek, Time, the Economist and the International Herald Tribune.

The tribune would have a 20-30 word writeup of US sports. Fortunately, my dad would send me a vcr tape of the Giants game.

Rarely used international land line at $10/minute!
I had a subscription to TGN!  
smshmth8690 : 3/15/2019 10:11 pm : link
The Giants Newsweekly! I would also read the Daily News, the NY Post, the Star Ledger, and the Asbury Park Press every day.
RE: I had a subscription to TGN!  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14341266 smshmth8690 said:
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The Giants Newsweekly! I would also read the Daily News, the NY Post, the Star Ledger, and the Asbury Park Press every day.


My bad... not Giants Insider, it was Giants Newsweekly. I got Giants Newsweekly, Giants Extra, and Inside Football (this was before Patti was involved in it... used to be an English professor who owned it).
RE: RE: As Eric said above  
Steve in ATL : 3/15/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14341257 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14341251 Allen in CNJ said:


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Giants Extra and Inside football were a great resource as were the sporting news, ourlads, the local papers, etc.

I was born in 1976, and I was lucky enough to meet some of the posters here on BBI in the early 90's on the old Giants "message board" on Prodigy - waaaaayyyy back in the day. I was a junior or senior in HS at that time and remember posting about the 93' Giants and I'm pretty sure that was the first year it was up and running.

People like Eric, Patty Traina, and many others that are still around here posted there. It was a very big thing back then!!



That's how I met Patti...on the old Prodigy boards. I still remember the endless Phil Simms vs. Jeff Hostetler debates.


I was on Prodigy too and remember Eric, Patti, and a guy I think was named Paul Gregory.
....Oh and WFAN  
smshmth8690 : 3/15/2019 10:13 pm : link
and 1010 WINS (a little bit) Back in the 80's 'The Pope' was a must listen, with his Tuna connections.
O Butter Giants 2019  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:15 pm : link
I worked for an organization that had 30,000 employees. The small, dipshit little site was getting more traffic than the organization's site.

Why? Because I was running a sports info website off their server and the traffic was something that couldn't be hidden. It was an ethics issue.

I was just screwing around back then. BBI didn't even have ads until five years later. At the time, it was called "The Big Blue Home Page."

Steve in ATL  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:16 pm : link
Paul was a legend on the Prodigy board.
I was born in 71'  
larryflower37 : 3/15/2019 10:16 pm : link
The draft was awesome as a kid.
I would fake sick and get my draft magazines out and circle who the Giants drafted.
My Dad, a huge Giant fan knew what I was doing and would come home and ask how we did.
It was the early days of ESPN.
I couldn't wait to get the Giants insider draft recap.
I got lucky my heavy fandom started when we drafted LT.
Still have all the magazines and newspapers from the playoff runs, draft and Superbowl.
And of course all the football card sets.
For some reason I remember it coming on Wednesday,  
smshmth8690 : 3/15/2019 10:18 pm : link
maybe Thursday. The draft pick profiles were pretty good. I googled, and this was the first image that came up. Memories......

RE: Steve in ATL  
Steve in ATL : 3/15/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14341275 Eric from BBI said:
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Paul was a legend on the Prodigy board.


If I recall, Paul HATED George Young.
Yes Paul Gregory!!!  
Allen in CNJ : 3/15/2019 10:20 pm : link
That one really rings a bell. He was a great poster with great insight.

I’m pretty sure all of us had a generic code and then a handle - mine I believe was “AFG” or “AG”

Wow those were fun times. Many of us were convinced that 93’ team had one more run in them (Simms and LT) and we suffered together through the Dallas loss and then the game in candlestick.
RE: For some reason I remember it coming on Wednesday,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14341279 smshmth8690 said:
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maybe Thursday. The draft pick profiles were pretty good. I googled, and this was the first image that came up. Memories......



The first one I remember getting was Inside Football. Then I think Giants Newsweekly came out. Then Giants Extra appeared on the scene.

I forget if it was Newsweekly or Extra, but I swear one of those two would come on Monday AFTER the next game.

Best stuff was the once-a-year interview that the Inside Football professor did with George Young, who was very honest and straight forward with him. They were great interviews.
RE: ...  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/15/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14341217 Eric from BBI said:
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New York Post, Daily News, Giants Insider, Giants Extra, Inside Football.


Same.. News daily... insider & extra monthly? holy fluck
RE: Steve in ATL  
mrvax : 3/15/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14341275 Eric from BBI said:
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Paul was a legend on the Prodigy board.


Who was Pete as Pete's Corner?
RE: RE: Steve in ATL  
Steve in ATL : 3/15/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14341291 mrvax said:
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In comment 14341275 Eric from BBI said:


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Paul was a legend on the Prodigy board.



Who was Pete as Pete's Corner?


a friend of Eric's I think.
Newspapers and Magazines  
bluepepper : 3/15/2019 10:23 pm : link
I'm talking early 70's to early 80's. My family got at least two papers a day - usually the Star Ledger and Daily News and three on Sunday (the Times).

And I always got a weekly sports magazine - at first Sports Illustrated then The Sporting News which was a sports junkies dream in those days. There were also the annuals like Street and Smiths and various guides and digests.

One change I see is that in those days you spent more time following the league as a whole. You just couldn't get the level of info about your team that you got starting with 24/7 sports talk and then the internet.

Pete  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:24 pm : link
was the guy who saved the site. He ran an internet firm in Albany and offered to host the site. He is the guy who renamed it BBI (he wanted to emphasize the "interactive" nature of the site). He developed the Forum. Before then, there was no bulletin board, just a "Letters to the Editor" section. Looking back, it was comical.
RE: Pete  
mrvax : 3/15/2019 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14341298 Eric from BBI said:
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was the guy who saved the site. He ran an internet firm in Albany and offered to host the site. He is the guy who renamed it BBI (he wanted to emphasize the "interactive" nature of the site). He developed the Forum. Before then, there was no bulletin board, just a "Letters to the Editor" section. Looking back, it was comical.



Well, it was the dawn of the internet and almost all websites were comical.
Great thread!  
Steve in ATL : 3/15/2019 10:28 pm : link
Lots of old memories!
Here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:29 pm : link
is the site in the early days...

I still have an entire  
Matt in SGS : 3/15/2019 10:30 pm : link
box full of my old Giants Insiders and Giants Newsweekly's from the 1980s and 1990s. I would love reading their draft previous and wrap ups. Getting pictures of the draft picks was amazing since we didn't have any quick way of looking up players. The camp reports were invaluable.
RE: I still have an entire  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14341308 Matt in SGS said:
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box full of my old Giants Insiders and Giants Newsweekly's from the 1980s and 1990s. I would love reading their draft previous and wrap ups. Getting pictures of the draft picks was amazing since we didn't have any quick way of looking up players. The camp reports were invaluable.


I kept mine for a decade at my folk's house. I eventually said, "I'm never going to look at these again" and tossed them. I kind of wish I kept them but they would just be collecting dust.
The old BBI still lives!  
Steve in ATL : 3/15/2019 10:35 pm : link
http://web.archive.org/web/19991010184954/http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/
Born in 1977  
10thAve : 3/15/2019 10:35 pm : link
So growing up in the 80s and early 90s it was The Star Ledger and Asbury Park Press. The Ledger was far superior. And The Sporting News as well. Additionally watching the local NY news sports segments, such as Warner Wolf, Len Bergman, some dude on WOR channel 9.

We also received some publication a few times per year, maybe Giants Touchdown or something? It was trifold on glossy paper, that’s pretty much all I remember. Other than being really psyched when it arrived as it was dedicated to the Giants.
Should be Len Berman  
10thAve : 3/15/2019 10:38 pm : link
.
I like the "Interactive" yellow  
O Butter Giants 2019 : 3/15/2019 10:38 pm : link
watermark stamp. Very 90s.

Married with Children?
RE: I like the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14341318 O Butter Giants 2019 said:
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watermark stamp. Very 90s.

Married with Children?


Never realized the Married with Children influence there. Ha
and ESPN was worth watching  
Steve in ATL : 3/15/2019 10:39 pm : link
back then.
and if you  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2019 10:40 pm : link
were out of town and wanted to watch sports highlights, you had to wait until George Michael's Sports Machine came on late Sunday night.
What was the paper  
kennyd : 3/15/2019 10:47 pm : link
that Dave Klien put out? Was that the Giants Newsweekly? My Father subscribed to that (maybe one of the 15 people that did) and I remember reading that in the early 80's
RE: and if you  
Matt in SGS : 3/15/2019 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14341322 Eric from BBI said:
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were out of town and wanted to watch sports highlights, you had to wait until George Michael's Sports Machine came on late Sunday night.


I loved the Sports Machine. Check this baby out on YouTube from 1986.
https://youtu.be/VjHAEGGszkw - ( New Window )
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