Question for Asshats - Lauletta

Realistically I didn't see him as a starter until at least year 3. More realistically, I viewed him as a potential back up to the franchise quarterback that we would be drafting and then maybe signing a nice contract to go play for some other team.

I did want to throw that out there to preface the conversations.

Unless you're there every day watching how he works?

Is to watch him in a game. Is he accurate? Does he deliver the ball on time? Does he have good arm strength, Can he throw all the routes, does he show the ability to know when to throw a pass in such away to allow his receiver to run under it or lead him properl (touch). How does he react to pressure? Does he extend plays with his feet? Does he understand the offense and can he read defenses and make adjustments quickly? And this part is critical can he lead the offense into the end zone and does he do it often.
Honestly I’ve not watched him enough to take a final position but from what little we have seen he does not look good.
I’ve been a Baker Mayfield fan for long before the draft. Remember the Cleveland exhibition game? He game in and lithe entire offense tempo and momentum changed. Cleveland started scoring.
He is going to get better. Sometimes we don’t need a lot of time to know the kid is a player.
In my opinion Kyle has not shown he can operate on that level. He does need more time to be 100 percent certain of that to be fair.

He has had his chance and blew it.

Many will dismiss his poor performance against Washington as a small sample size and want to give him more opportunities. But up 40 on Washington, he had no pressure on him. Just go play QB. He didn't have to "win" the game, and he really couldn't lose it by his own actions. He didn't have the disclaimer that it was preseason playing against 3rd stringer or "vanilla defense". 0-5 completions with an interception. He won't get any other opportunities with less on the line.

Then you have the comments from Dave this year that he can't count on players who don't even show up on time. Kyle has had his chance and should hope that he stays on the roster so that he can continue to earn a paycheck. He will learn that the NFL is Not For Long.

In comment 14341479 Giant John said:

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Is to watch him in a game. Is he accurate? Does he deliver the ball on time? Does he have good arm strength, Can he throw all the routes, does he show the ability to know when to throw a pass in such away to allow his receiver to run under it or lead him properl (touch). How does he react to pressure? Does he extend plays with his feet? Does he understand the offense and can he read defenses and make adjustments quickly? And this part is critical can he lead the offense into the end zone and does he do it often. Honestly I’ve not watched him enough to take a final position but from what little we have seen he does not look good. I’ve been a Baker Mayfield fan for long before the draft. Remember the Cleveland exhibition game? He game in and lithe entire offense tempo and momentum changed. Cleveland started scoring. He is going to get better. Sometimes we don’t need a lot of time to know the kid is a player. In my opinion Kyle has not shown he can operate on that level. He does need more time to be 100 percent certain of that to be fair.

. Actually you first evaluate him in practice and see if he can earn time in a game.

His first pass was right on the money and was dropped by the receiver. Makes me wonder how his whole performance may have changed if that pass was caught and we are talking about positives instead of negatives right now. I forget who dropped the pass but I think it was a simple square out?

that is why I asked the asshats. I know everyone wants to give their opinion but was hoping on some insight from the decision makers (Gettleman, Shurmur)

In comment 14341514 SLIM_ said:

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that is why I asked the asshats. I know everyone wants to give their opinion but was hoping on some insight from the decision makers (Gettleman, Shurmur)

You want insight than go read Gettleman's comments and Shurmur's comments. There are no smokescreens. They both tell it like it is. DG said during the combine presser when asked about Kyle that you can't count on players who can't show up on time. Shurmur used Kyle as a punchline after his 0-5 performance with zero pressure.

Kyle is done.

is to wow the team with work, professionalism and improvement to show he can be a backup. If he doesn’t show marked improvement in each he is likely gone. As a fourth rounder you don’t get a whole lot of mulligans. He seems to have used his up.

I remained cautiously optimistic after watching his senior bowl footage but he never stood out in training camp or the preseason. Since the Giants have so many picks I would like to see them use a pick in the 5th-7th range on a QB to compete with Lauletta even if the Giants draft one in the 1st round or trade for Rosen.

Webb's arm is light years better than KA and Webb, and while not a scrambler, is more mobile than Eli. Yeah, I know, folks doubt DW's accuracy and his ability to make all the throws, and some would compare him with Jeff George (monster arm, but no ability to hit a target on time), but I think this is an exaggeration. I'm not saying Webb is the Giants' future. I'm simply saying that he's better than Auletta who has shown us nothing and to date represents a wasted pick. If I were DG, I would talk to Buffalo regarding a trade for Allen rather than trade for Rosen or draft Haskins or Lock, and under no circumstances would I draft Murray.

that Shurmer indirectly criticized Lauletta so openly for his performance, and being so sarcastic with the reporters and thus the fans that wanted to see him. And yes, I know that he didn’t do well.

Hopefully after the arrest, he comes in this year and beats the janitor to the stadium in the morning.

pre-season if he works hard. Putting a guy from a small school picked in the fourth round in a game in his first year is asking a little much. I know some fans had been clamoring for the team to do just that, but it wasn't a good idea.

and drafted Lauletta. Kid made some dough. Looks like a wasted pick, just like Nassib.

a better backup, if not more, and he was already on the roster.

if they judge L solely on his brief real game performance.

Take it into account, sure, but they have a far better gage of his ability from seeing him every day. They know his ability to throw, and a hint at whether he has the intangible field presence. One brief appearance does not define him.

Media speak from coaches/management is a whole lot of gobbledygook mixture of truth, misdirection, lies, subterfuge, mind game, etc. I would take anything uttered publicly with a grain of salt.

That said, it's a longshot that L will wind up starting, anywhere. I'm more curious as to whether it looks like he'll make it as a backup.

Nothing more, no big secret interest, he just graded out above their pick. However after they had him for a year you could see he was dropping like a rock in their estimation. Doesn't have an NFL arm

they invested in him, saw him practice, saw him look horrific in the short time he played, there is evidence to support he was late multiple times (how is this even possible for a young player at his position?), saw him get fucking arrested for driving like a lunatic because he was going to be late again, and so on.

The team has concluded he sucks. They are probably right.

than Eli would've been cut.

The evaluations here are ridiculous. Lauletta is a young QB that is learning. Who knows what he is yet? He played at Richmond. Last year should have been a full blown red shirt year for him. Cutting bait on him because of a handful of snaps in a real game is silly. I'm not comparing the two players, but let's look at East Illinois QB Tony Romo in his first two full seasons in Dallas. He dressed for 22 games and never attempted a pass. Zero. He held a clipboard and was brought along and groomed and waited for his shot. If Romo had been thrown out there in his rookie season for a few plays, he probably would have been in over his head...just like Kyle Lauletta. The Giants may very well upgrade and find guys they like better than Lauletta this season, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the kid will never be any good. You amateur GMs would have thrown guys like Romo and Kurt Warner on the junk pile before giving them a chance to develop.

Davis Webb into the trash heap after 6 pass attempts.

I don’t disagree with that but if the guy doesn’t practice well he doesn’t get on the field. This is just common sense. I don’t put a final judgement on a practice player. That just step one. If he excels I’d game situations then you have something.
I’d expect anyone with experience to know that.
No offense.

He was criticizing reporters and fans who were clamoring for a kid to play who Shurmur knew was not yet ready. Indeed, Shurmur said that Lauletta will become a fine QB eventually.

Whether or not that's true, I suspect we'll be drafting competition for him this year.

could take 2years at least.

In comment 14342191 TMS said:

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could take 2years at least.

Or possibly 5

Not that long ago (a year) both DG and Shurmur were clicking their heels when they thought they STOLE him in the 4th round. A year older a little stronger and a lot smarter. You never know.

He had a rough rookie year so he gets a slight pass IMO. However he better show the goods in camp and be the first one in the door next year. He is on thin ice.