Josh Rosen elite? Re read Sy,s evaluation

In comment 14341481 Diver_Down said:

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it is linked below. Sy's QB Review from 2018 - ( New Window )

I just read Sy’s review. He mentioned Rosen needing to bulk up a little bit in the next year or two. Does anyone know if Rosen bulked up any?

In comment 14341974 Josiah31 said:

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In comment 14341481 Diver_Down said: Quote: it is linked below. Sy's QB Review from 2018 - ( New Window ) I just read Sy’s review. He mentioned Rosen needing to bulk up a little bit in the next year or two. Does anyone know if Rosen bulked up any?

I read somewhere that he just started buying Men's Large shirts.

The guy is really accurate. People here talk all about the poor season he had but I wonder how many actually saw him play. Yes, he is learning, like every rookie QB. But ball placement of his throws in some of the games I saw was really impressive. He can move better than I thought as well.

No one is complaining about his tape. If you watch him you know he can throw. I think there are a of emotional or non football-related reasons that some people don't want him here. If you bring him into camp with Eli Manning and put them both in Shurmur's system, Rosen will look better. There's some people that are also put off by his political stance. I can't recall one coach or player that has said anything negative about him. It is always a third party claiming they have heard this but there is never a source. This is why I believe the attitude complaints are derived from bias either emotional or political.

But if concussions were their durability concern, other than him playing 3-4-5 seasons with no issues...it's always a concern. Even after 5 yrs he could get hit and that's it. Even with a 'minor' concussion it's potentially a huge risk you might lose him for good

From there you might still say you'd take the risk for the right pick, but it's possible and justifiable NYG is not ok with the risk

I don't know his history, but IMO I agree I might have pursued this option for a 3rd? MAYBE 3 + a 5/6. But as others said he hasn't been made available...so there's that

If your pro Rosen argument is about his play no one disagrees but still doesn't answer his concussion Q (which is basically unanswerable) or the other major Q, is he even available? That's ignoring his potential attitude issues which, if true, seems like we are specifically avoiding atm

In comment 14341706 since1925 said:

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Big mistake. He does a horrible job of controlling his mouth. This is a big liability for anyone who plays in New York. The potential for distraction is multiples of OBJ. In an era of entitled athletes, Rosen is near the head of the pack. The son of a surgeon he has never faced any real adversity in his life but he is sensitive when folks bring it up. One NFL executive summed it up this way, "Everybody recognizes the talent with Rosen, but he is not the top guy in the draft because nobody likes him," There are plenty more examples to cite. Of course, there are two sides to every story, but there is a lot smoke around Rosen's character. Ignore it at your own peril. And we haven't even started on his injury history.

Can I ask something about the character issues that I find to be kind of hypocritical? When Baker Mayfield was struggling, and then after he got a new coordinator and coach who helped turn the Browns offense around, threw Hue Jackson under the bus in such an obnoxious, arrogant, worst-of-millennial type manner (and I'm not knocking millennials in general). Yet because Baker had a good second half of the season with lots of good pieces around him and a new, successful coaching staff, nobody says word one about how obnxious and immature Baker's comments were about Hue Jackson.

Meanwhile, Josh Rosen was put in a far worse situation, with a horribly unimaginative offensive coordinator, then a rookie offensive coordinator and a defensive minded coach who simply is not an offensive guru--Steve Wilks. When Rosen was asked about the firing of Steve Wilks and how he felt about, he gave almost the epitome of a classy, humble and mature answer:

"I have thoughts, but it's not really my place to share it," he said, per USA Today's Cards Wire. "I love all the coaches here. We've battled our butts off. It's been a fun rookie year."

And this is the guy who has character concerns? Please explain this to me.

You look at the total package on the field...yes you'd like him to have a stronger build but he's an absolute beautiful passer when it comes his throwing motion, footwork, balance, keeping his eyes down the field. I know he was criticized for a perceived lack of commitment or passion for the game but when you see someone that polished coming out of college you know he worked fanatically to get to that point.

He does rub a lot of NFL folks the wrong way. Coming across as aloof, snobby, made some ignorant and immature political statements. But who cares at this point. When you've got his brain and his physical tool set it makes sense to trade for him if he's available

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In comment 14341863 ryanmkeane said: Quote: thing with Rosen. Doesn’t feel like he is any less durable than the other QBs who have come out recently. He played every snap he was given last year. Darnold missed 3 games. Darnold missed 3 games because of the devastating injury of sucking.

He had a foot injury from a terrible offensive line. Came back and was one of the best QB's in football. At 21 years old with no talent in front of him

https://clutchpoints.com/jets-news-sam-darnold-is-the-top-rated-quarterback-over-the-last-3-weeks-per-pro-football-focus/

I don't think this coach red guy watches football? Do you?

In comment 14341939 Go Terps said:

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He throws the short and intermediate stuff with a high level of accuracy and timing. His background in tennis tells us he likely has excellent footwork and body control... critical in the short passing game. Drew Brees was also a high level tennis player, and you can see why when you watch him throw screens and quick timing passes. Conversely Eli has always struggled with that. He's always been poor in the screen game; his best work was always done intermediate to deep and outside the hash marks. Look at our offensive personnel: Barkley, Engram, Tate. These aren't guys winning jump balls down the field; we want these guys catching short, accurate passes and maximizing YAC. Rosen has the edge over Eli there already.

Excellent analysis.

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I don't think this coach red guy watches football? Do you?

Dunno whether he watches the games, but he has awesome sources inside every locker room in the NFL. ;o)

In comment 14341939 Go Terps said:

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He throws the short and intermediate stuff with a high level of accuracy and timing. His background in tennis tells us he likely has excellent footwork and body control... critical in the short passing game. Drew Brees was also a high level tennis player, and you can see why when you watch him throw screens and quick timing passes. Conversely Eli has always struggled with that. He's always been poor in the screen game; his best work was always done intermediate to deep and outside the hash marks. Look at our offensive personnel: Barkley, Engram, Tate. These aren't guys winning jump balls down the field; we want these guys catching short, accurate passes and maximizing YAC. Rosen has the edge over Eli there already.

I think you sell Eli a bit short but yes Rosen in theory could be a better fit for what we have on offense now (provided he reaches his ceiling).

In comment 14342021 UberAlias said:

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The guy is really accurate. People here talk all about the poor season he had but I wonder how many actually saw him play. Yes, he is learning, like every rookie QB. But ball placement of his throws in some of the games I saw was really impressive. He can move better than I thought as well.

Yeah, he would be real interesting here. And if we got him without giving up a 1st round pick that would be tremendous.

[quote] Big mistake. He does a horrible job of controlling his mouth. This is a big liability for anyone who plays in New York. The potential for distraction is multiples of OBJ.


And everybody loves Aaron Rodgers. He has the reputation of being such a nice guy. Remember what Leo Durocher said about 'nice guys.'(oops! my age is showing).

Trade for Rosen. Show him a little man love. Give him an opportunity to grow up. I rate him above Haskins. We're defo not taking Haskins or Rosen with our No.6 pick.

but if you're judging all of the QB's from last years draft on solely on arm talent, intelligence, and accuracy then Rosen would have been the unanimous #1 pick.

In comment 14342605 Jay on the Island said:

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but if you're judging all of the QB's from last years draft on solely on arm talent, intelligence, and accuracy then Rosen would have been the unanimous #1 pick.

True that. You can include Footwork as well.

In comment 14342608 Pan-handler said:

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In comment 14342605 Jay on the Island said: Quote: but if you're judging all of the QB's from last years draft on solely on arm talent, intelligence, and accuracy then Rosen would have been the unanimous #1 pick. True that. You can include Footwork as well.

Rosen also just turned 22 last month also.

Must not value those sorts of things.

that this regime will move to a QB with a little more mobility post Eli.

In comment 14341823 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14341785 Bernie said: Quote: In comment 14341477 section125 said: Quote: Let the chips ride. I'm with you, but the bad attitude crowd will be here soon. Thay’s me. Sorry, but in a league that practices very little and the majority of game day prep is film study, give me the guy who LOVES football to be the leader of the team. And that’s not Rosen. Physically he may have the skills, but if you are not passionate about it mentally, I have my doubts about his production over the long term. It’s telling when a former coach calls a player out by name on the way out the door. So I'm clear, when McAdoo called out Eli, McAdoo was a clown, but when Mora failed to endorse Rosen, that's airtight and legit. I don't even want Rosen, but that logic is flawed.

No it’s not. Mora’s comment was that Rosen was the last one in the facility and the first to leave and Rosen does not love football.

McAdoo’s criticism of Eli has nothing to do with this

In comment 14343149 Bernie said:

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In comment 14341823 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 14341785 Bernie said: Quote: In comment 14341477 section125 said: Quote: Let the chips ride. I'm with you, but the bad attitude crowd will be here soon. Thay’s me. Sorry, but in a league that practices very little and the majority of game day prep is film study, give me the guy who LOVES football to be the leader of the team. And that’s not Rosen. Physically he may have the skills, but if you are not passionate about it mentally, I have my doubts about his production over the long term. It’s telling when a former coach calls a player out by name on the way out the door. So I'm clear, when McAdoo called out Eli, McAdoo was a clown, but when Mora failed to endorse Rosen, that's airtight and legit. I don't even want Rosen, but that logic is flawed. No it’s not. Mora’s comment was that Rosen was the last one in the facility and the first to leave and Rosen does not love football. McAdoo’s criticism of Eli has nothing to do with this

At the risk of sounding like Radar, can you please provide a source and a link to that? I've heard a lot of disparaging commentary on Rosen, but I don't think I've heard that direct of an indictment of his commitment.