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Banking on a QB in 2020 is very risky-

Sean : 3/16/2019 8:03 am
A lot of people here prefer this strategy & I support it as well, but it is no given.

1. A lot of the pessimists on this site are assuming the Giants will win 3-4 games. I’m not seeing it. It’s as hard to go 3-13 in the NFL as it is 13-3. I actually think the Giants will play very motivated this season & Gettleman has cleared out much of the drama. I think the floor is 6-7 wins & the schedule appears to be manageable as of now.

2. There potentially could be a ton of teams looking for QB. With the likes of Brady, Brees, Rivers & Ben a year older - those teams could potentially be aggressive like KC was in 2017. Then we get into teams that clearly will be looking at QB:

NYG
WSH
TEN
CIN
DEN

There are also teams that could move on from their expensive QBs:

DET
OAK

11 teams could make a move for a QB. That is 11 teams for Tua, Herbert & Fromm.

I think it is far from a given the Giants can easily get one of these guys. I have no issues not going QB this year - we all knew this was a weaker class than last year & part of me is concerned Haskins jumped up by Herbert going back to school. This is a big reason so many people advocated going QB last April.

If the plan is to get a QB in 20, we need to get another 1st rounder. As much as I would love to stay at 17 & draft an impact player, it might be best to trade down if that option is available to net another 1st in 20.

I’m all for waiting until next year, but Gettleman will have competition & we need to start loading up on assets.
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I would also add you can’t think you  
mattyblue : 3/16/2019 9:37 am : link
are smarter than every team taking a QB around us every year. I mean say with Darnold he got picked right after Barkley. The Jets aren’t dumb for taking him, if a team takes Lock, Haskins, Murray, Jones whoever bear are pick they aren’t being stupid because they did that. No matter whether you or I like the player/pick every GM knows more. They have a team of scouts assisting them. When I watch Fromm or Tua I don’t see Peyton Manning or Montana or Brady, that doesn’t mean they won’t be better than all of them, but you can’t tell me that any of the guys next year are some sure fire without a doubt stud QB how Luck was considered well ahead of time. That’s just me though, which essentially amount to jack shit.
RE: Gettleman already said as much  
Eman11 : 3/16/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14341672 Dave on the UWS said:
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If there is a way to get a QB this year, they will.


He did? I know he said no guts no glory and he wanted to get a QB for the franchise like Accorsi did but where did he say it would be this year?

Not trying to be a wise ass and apologies if I missed it, but I don't recall hearing/seeing him say that.
RE: Gettleman already said as much  
Steve in ATL : 3/16/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14341672 Dave on the UWS said:
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If there is a way to get a QB this year, they will.


and not just "a" QB. A QB this they believe will be a franchise QB that will win. Drafting the wrong QB is a five-year mistake quoting DG.

Sean wrote  
joeinpa : 3/16/2019 9:42 am : link
“This is the big reason people wanted a quarterback last year”

Regarding possible quarterbacks we have had expressed here:

Josh Allen. NO
Sam Darnold. NO
Josh Rosen. NO
Haskins. NO
Murray. NO
Rosen again. NO

As one of those fans, right or wrong, who wanted quarterback last season, I can’t adequately express how annoying I find this.

Guarantee if Eli has good season, we will see writte next season about Tua, Herbert and Fromm

Something to the effect it will cost too much to move up, let s keep building around Eli.
RE: Sean wrote  
mattyblue : 3/16/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14341690 joeinpa said:
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“This is the big reason people wanted a quarterback last year”

Regarding possible quarterbacks we have had expressed here:

Josh Allen. NO
Sam Darnold. NO
Josh Rosen. NO
Haskins. NO
Murray. NO
Rosen again. NO

As one of those fans, right or wrong, who wanted quarterback last season, I can’t adequately express how annoying I find this.

Guarantee if Eli has good season, we will see writte next season about Tua, Herbert and Fromm

Something to the effect it will cost too much to move up, let s keep building around Eli.


Agreed Joe. I think even if we repeat something similar to last year plenty of people will gripe about next years QBs as well. It’s just the way it is.
To me the question is  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/16/2019 9:53 am : link
who is the franchise QB that DG believes in? They didn't pull the trigger because there wasn't consensus on Darnold/Rosen.

OK, but now you have consensus on Haskins/Murray/Jones? That I don't see. And I agree, don't take the wrong guy just to take a guy.

Is it really wait till next year? That strategy is fraught with risk.
RE: RE: Waiting until 2020 and thinking you’re going to get a top QB  
BillT : 3/16/2019 9:58 am : link
In comment 14341607 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14341594 BillT said:


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Is a fantasy not a plan. There are so many things that could blow that up you can’t even list them all. I don’t know about DG yet but if that’s his plan we need a new GM ASAP.



So do you think it's better to draft a QB or trade for one just to get a QB even if DG doesn't think they're the answer?

This is stupid. I was talking about 2020. Of course DG would have to believe in who he is drafting. Geesh!
I don’t think DG didn’t believe in Darnold-  
Sean : 3/16/2019 9:58 am : link
I think he was that blown away by Barkley.
You can acquire a QB in free agency too  
AnnapolisMike : 3/16/2019 10:03 am : link
The idea that you can only draft a QB is silly. It's more expensive...but you also know what you are getting.
RE: I don’t think DG didn’t believe in Darnold-  
Diver_Down : 3/16/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14341723 Sean said:
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I think he was that blown away by Barkley.


It has been mentioned numerous times that there was no consensus on the QBs. DG was not picking a player without consensus at #2. If Barkley was not available, the likely pick would have been Chubb. We'll never know who liked who with regards to the QBs.
Even if they trade a 2nd for Rosen  
give66 : 3/16/2019 10:05 am : link
Why announce the trade before we are on the clock for that pick? We want other teams to think we are taking a QB and trade in front of us so better players drop to us at 6 and 17.
People bitched what we gave for Eli  
eli4life : 3/16/2019 10:10 am : link
If we wait till next year they won’t even use lube. It will be an ass reaming of epic proportion. I see us between 6-9 wins. If they are dead set in one of the guys next year they should probably sell most of this years picks for picks next year
Reaching for a QB because you're desperate is much more risky  
since1925 : 3/16/2019 10:10 am : link
It will take luck to find Eli's successor and there is a low probability that the first guy we pick will be it. Those who think the first guy we try will be our new franchise QB are probably in for a disappointment.

My guess is that after Eli we sort through a few guys at QB that don't really measure up. This process probably takes a number of years to find the right guy. That is how it has worked in the past and I suspect the next round wil be the same.
So is reaching for a 2019 QB  
jeff57 : 3/16/2019 10:11 am : link
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RE: So is reaching for a 2019 QB  
Sean : 3/16/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14341755 jeff57 said:
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Agreed. My point is we are going to have a ton of competition next year.
The big problem with waiting until next year is  
NoGainDayne : 3/16/2019 10:21 am : link
getting 6-8 wins. Which I think is a very real possibility. And I understand why the team wants this, DG and Shurmur get to tell us how much we are “improving” like we heard in our glorious 5-11 season this year.

The problem with that was that we were still a steaming pile of crap. TBH I like Murray better than any of the QBs this year and those games we won against backup QBs in a lost seasons remains one of the biggest things that upset me about this season.

We could easily be sitting on the #1 pick right now taking Murray, still ready to re-stock the defense.

I mean what’s the best, best case scenario this season first round playoff exit? Is that worth our shot at getting a QB that can actually be the future?

What’s more even if we do get Murray this year with a trade up, is trading awaybthe capital that could rebuild or defense, was that worth it?

People were sold on the moves we made last year, they seem pretty sold on the moves this year, but right now we’ve sat on two seasons that regardless of 3 to 5 wins were just not fun to watch. The only way we really end that is with a talented QB. More talented than Eli is now.
Yep  
mdthedream : 3/16/2019 10:30 am : link
I don't agree with the strategy at all. We could be picking 17th next year and good luck on getting one of those QBs. So if we don't get one that year than we are looking at a lot of wasted time. To me if we can get it done this year do it.
RE: RE: RE: Waiting until 2020 and thinking you’re going to get a top QB  
Eman11 : 3/16/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14341722 BillT said:
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In comment 14341594 BillT said:


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Is a fantasy not a plan. There are so many things that could blow that up you can’t even list them all. I don’t know about DG yet but if that’s his plan we need a new GM ASAP.



So do you think it's better to draft a QB or trade for one just to get a QB even if DG doesn't think they're the answer?



This is stupid. I was talking about 2020. Of course DG would have to believe in who he is drafting. Geesh!


Why is it stupid? I was simply asking what you thought, and how was I to know what you thought without asking?

I get you think waiting till next year is risky but if you agree with not getting a QB this year if DG et al aren't sold on one, what's you're solution? Anyone can point out what's wrong with any given scenario, it's much tougher to come up with a solution.

Now obviously this is all moot if they are sold on someone this year but my question is only what if they're not?

About Trading Down With the Bengals  
Giants38 : 3/16/2019 10:46 am : link
1) Last year I believe the bills traded up from 13 to 7 to get Josh Allen and gave up a 3rd to do it. Every year is different, but it would be difficult to believe that the Giants could score next year’s first for dropping from 6 to 13;

2) DG has never traded down. There may be a first time for everything, except apparently this. Reese never traded down, and DG hasn’t either; and

3) To get Cincy to jump up and pay a hefty price, teams have to believe you’ll take Haskins. The Giants are so bad at smokescreens that everyone already knows they don’t have interest. Why would the Bengals move up to 6 when all they have to do is get to 8 or 9? The real threat is the Riaiders. If Haskins slips by them, the next threat is the Broncos, not the Jags. Teams will be jockeying to get in front of Denver, and there won’t be a crazy market for the Giants’ pick. At least not for a QB.

Gettleman is going to say what he says every year, just like Reese. We had offers for the pick, but they were pretzels or donuts or some other stupid analogy.
The problem of “not being sold” on one  
NoGainDayne : 3/16/2019 10:49 am : link
picking 2 and 6 two years in a row is that teams just don’t do this with 38 year old QBs. Rarely does a draft go two years without a QB you can be “sold on” IMO it’s pretty clear that it’s about the QB on our team and the sentimentality towards him.

One could even say leaking all this stuff on Murray while it’s pretty clear he goes to Arizona is tactially effective. That way they could say we did one we just couldn’t get him.
They Picked Webb then Lauletta  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/16/2019 10:59 am : link
Not every successful QB is a top 10 pick.

Passing on a All Pro type for a guy who your fans want you to pick? Yeah great strategy.

This is how you get Christian Ponder, JP Loesman, and Geno Smiths playing QB
The OP is wrong in one major way  
giantstock : 3/16/2019 11:05 am : link
He thinks the floor is - he menions as much as 7 wins? That's crazy. He makes a correct statement and overall his post is correct how "hard' it is to go 3-13 but what he isn't taking into account how bad this team is and how easily everything could remain so pathetic. And I know some talk about the GMEN's easy schedule but other teams are saying the same thing about the GMEN too.

The still might not have a pass rush next year. Vernon was pretty decent when he played. Their secondary and/or linebackers could still be awful or just "not good."

The GMEN still have one lousy OLinemman and one subpar center. We hear how it takes time for OLInes to mesh and how litle talent there is ye the Gemn are going to make it all work immediately in one season? Teams get free agent Olinemen who were good for 1 year but lousy the next yet the GMEn are going to make it SO SURE to make it work with a few draft picks?

ANd we know if they aren't EXTREMLEY effective throughout the season our QB who is a subpar NFL QB now is going to be okay?

Las Vegas has Giants near the bottom so to suggest the floor is 7 wins is just not living in reality. That's not to say they can't hit 7 etc but the OP isn;t living in reality if he really thinks the floor is 7 games.

*But I do agree he is absolutely right that there will be a lot of competition for the top picks more than what some said -- only 7 teams. No way - as the OP says there will be more.
It’s a dumb strategy as well because  
732NYG : 3/16/2019 11:11 am : link
you’re basically resigning yourself to wasting another year of Saquon’s prime.
What you failed to consider  
WillVAB : 3/16/2019 11:56 am : link
Is that Carr, Stafford, and Dalton would move to QB needy teams effectively taking them out of the market. Rosen and Haskins will go to QB needy teams taking them out of the market as well.

Now we’re down to 6 teams and 3 QB prospects. If the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, and Saints have the years they had this year how will they be able to offer more than the Giants to move up?

That leaves 2 teams and 3 QBs.

The only way I see the Giants not getting their guy is if they have a phenomenal 2019 season, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.
I would rather go  
joeinpa : 3/16/2019 12:05 pm : link
3-13 with a young quarterback in which the Giants discover they have or Don t have the next guy, than 7 ,8 wins with Eli.

I don know if that puts me in the minooor not.

I don’t even go so far as to state 9-7 even if the made playoffs for one and done like 16.

That probably seems radical to some, but the future is not Eli, so let s move on now,
Sean  
Bill2 : 3/16/2019 12:13 pm : link
I liked a lot of the thinking in your post.

imo, of those teams looking in 2020, the ones in the middle slots ( likely where the NYG will be) that will do the best aren't the ones that accumulate draft slots in 2019...its the ones best able to have the cap room and ability to not need 2021 slots and get their picked Qb off to a good start behind a good Ol. Again, imo
Miami is tank mode this year  
BH28 : 3/16/2019 12:27 pm : link
They are clearly gunning for a QB next year. Tons of cap room next year and just unloaded Tannehill
Several issues with waiting until 2020  
Jarvis : 3/16/2019 12:34 pm : link
1) As mentioned previously, we have no idea how these prospects will end up being. A lot happens in a full year of college football and to be honest neither Fromm nor Herbert really impressed down the stretch.

2) We keep hearing the Giants truly wan to go out and have a winning season. That seems counter intuitive to waiting until next year to draft a QB. For one, if we are in the middle of the round or later in the round (i am not saying we will be, but we are trying to use the Giants logic) trading up is very expensive. It’s more than just the following years 1st. Someone mentioned what it cost to move up to get Eli...that was from 4 to 1 and with Eli refusing to play in San Diego. The Rams gave up 2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds to go get Goff. That is essentially 2 drafts since most of the players that have a chance to start are drafted in those rounds. The 2nd issue is if we have a winning season, do you really want to then go with a rookie at QB? That is why the KC model is appealing. The new QB gets a year to sit and learn so there isn’t that immense learning curve when he starts.

3) This year the Giants have a lot of picks and not a lot of cap. Next year it is the opposite. It would (again using logic) make much more sense to trade up this season and then sign free agents next year to fill in remaining holes.

I have no idea what the Giants will do. All signs point to drafting front 7 and o-line early and often in this draft. Rebuild the trenches all in one draft. Can’t say that is a terrible idea. It just seems foolish to target a player in an upcoming draft. Gettleman always talks about never targeting a player because you can over-draft them...but he’s gonna target a player a full year out? That part doesn’t make much sense to me.
RE: Waiting until 2020 and thinking you’re going to get a top QB  
BillT : 3/16/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14341795 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14341722 BillT said:


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In comment 14341607 Eman11 said:



So do you think it's better to draft a QB or trade for one just to get a QB even if DG doesn't think they're the answer?



This is stupid. I was talking about 2020. Of course DG would have to believe in who he is drafting. Geesh!



Why is it stupid? I was simply asking what you thought, and how was I to know what you thought without asking?


The above "So do you think it's better to draft a QB or trade for one just to get a QB even if DG doesn't think they're the answer?" isn't asking me what I thought it's assuming I want DG to "get a QB even if DG doesn't think they're the answer?" I never said anything like that nor was that the topic of the post.
I think the kid from Clemson can be exceptional  
Giant John : 3/16/2019 12:59 pm : link
After that I think the top two or three QB’s of the 2020 year are no better that what we have for 2019. Just the way it is folks.
Picking a QB in 2020 is not a plan  
UberAlias : 3/16/2019 1:16 pm : link
The team is not going to tank the 2019 season. They're going to do everything they can to win as many games as they can and make the playoffs. But if the 2020 QBs are what people on here think they are (that is not a given), then they will go top 5. You cannot say you have a plan but then your actions run 100% counter to achieving the plan. It's a hope, for many on here, but it is not the plan of the organization. The other evidence is that they just cashed in what would have been their biggest chip in acquiring draft capital to make a move.

Most likely they will select a QB with one of their picks in this year's draft (and if they really like one of them, they could make an aggressively play), but either way, their focus is on 2019 and they'll worry about next year next year.
How  
MookGiants : 3/16/2019 1:27 pm : link
in the world is the floor for this team 6-7 wins?

The talent on the team is horrific.

6-7 wins is their ceiling and that's if everything goes well.

This team has been absolutely awful and the talent level just isn't there.

7 wins would be a miracle. The HC is a loser, talent sucks.

Mook, we’ll see..  
Sean : 3/16/2019 1:41 pm : link
It’s hard to win 4 games or less in this league. The Giants finished the season 4-4 last year & almost knocked the Colts out of the playoffs. These games are generally close.
RE: The problem of “not being sold” on one  
joeinpa : 3/16/2019 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14341810 NoGainDayne said:
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picking 2 and 6 two years in a row is that teams just don’t do this with 38 year old QBs. Rarely does a draft go two years without a QB you can be “sold on” IMO it’s pretty clear that it’s about the QB on our team and the sentimentality towards him.

One could even say leaking all this stuff on Murray while it’s pretty clear he goes to Arizona is tactially effective. That way they could say we did one we just couldn’t get him.


Unfortunately, I believe there is some truth to what you write
I think DG is hoping Eli will be the QB in 2020  
Vanzetti : 3/16/2019 2:25 pm : link
I think the plan is to build a dominant OL and running game and let Eli be a game manager QB
Sean good post agreed with much of it  
Pan-handler : 3/16/2019 2:28 pm : link
Also 2nd easiest strength of schedule. Gettleman is not done yet with tweaking the roster either. Let's what to see how the WR position gets re-shuffled (already a good piece added in Tate) after FA and the draft. The D will continue to be worked on with pieces that better fit.
RE: RE: Sean wrote  
FranchiseQB : 3/16/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14341712 mattyblue said:
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“This is the big reason people wanted a quarterback last year”

Regarding possible quarterbacks we have had expressed here:

Josh Allen. NO
Sam Darnold. NO
Josh Rosen. NO
Haskins. NO
Murray. NO
Rosen again. NO

As one of those fans, right or wrong, who wanted quarterback last season, I can’t adequately express how annoying I find this.

Guarantee if Eli has good season, we will see writte next season about Tua, Herbert and Fromm

Something to the effect it will cost too much to move up, let s keep building around Eli.



Agreed Joe. I think even if we repeat something similar to last year plenty of people will gripe about next years QBs as well. It’s just the way it is.


joeinpa and mattyblue..

I am right there with you. If either or both of Darnold/Rosen become championship caliber QBs the selection of Barkley is a massive blunder, full stop, even if Barkley is Jim fucking Brown. You take the QB when the guy is there for you. You don't play dopey games hoping to land the premiere qb in the draft two years from now. That is a fools errand that could cost you three first rounders or more. Only a bunch of jokers would plan to land a strategy like that.
RE: Couldn’t agree more  
Danny80 : 3/16/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14341556 Big Blue '56 said:
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Same. I'd love to get Trevor Lawrence in 2021 too, and that would be worth the wait, but it's a pipe dream at best that they have a legit chance to get him.
RE: You can acquire a QB in free agency too  
Danny80 : 3/16/2019 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14341731 AnnapolisMike said:
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The idea that you can only draft a QB is silly. It's more expensive...but you also know what you are getting.


This almost never happens because teams don't let their franchise QBs leave in free agency.

The only possibility of getting a franchise QB through free agency is either (a) the team that let him go didn't think he was a legit franchise QB after having him for several years, and usually they're right (see Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, Blake Bortles), (b) the QB is coming off of a serious injury and there are real questions about whether he can come back and play as well (see Drew Brees, Teddy Bridgewater, Joe Montana, Peyton Manning even), (c) he is viewed as too old and washed up to be a long term answer and the team has a great opportunity at a young, new answer (see Andrew Luck/Peyton Manning, Steve Young/Joe Montana) or maybe (d) the QB has serious personal/character concerns that make his team give up on him (see Kerry Collins).

Only (B) and (D) are legit free agent QB prospects to consider, and those opportunities do not come along often. As for (A), how much happier are the Jets right now that they drafted Darnold rather than signing Kirk Cousins or Case Keenum?
RE: What you failed to consider  
Danny80 : 3/16/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14341888 WillVAB said:
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Is that Carr, Stafford, and Dalton would move to QB needy teams effectively taking them out of the market. Rosen and Haskins will go to QB needy teams taking them out of the market as well.

Now we’re down to 6 teams and 3 QB prospects. If the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, and Saints have the years they had this year how will they be able to offer more than the Giants to move up?

That leaves 2 teams and 3 QBs.

The only way I see the Giants not getting their guy is if they have a phenomenal 2019 season, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.


Why do you think any team will want to start over with a free agent QB who another team didn't think was good enough rather than taking a shot at a top 10 draft pick? Most teams want to pick their franchise QB in the draft, and for good reason. It's incredibly rare that a QB begins with one team and ends up becoming a franchise QB for another. Drew Brees is probably the only one in the last 20 years. At most, a team would sign a free agent QB as a bridge for their top 10 pick. Also, I'd say Stafford is the only true high caliber franchise QB of the guys you listed (the other two were second round picks and have played like good second round picks, not top 10 draft picks), and why do you think he is leaving Detroit?
RE: RE: What you failed to consider  
giantstock : 3/16/2019 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14342312 Danny80 said:
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Is that Carr, Stafford, and Dalton would move to QB needy teams effectively taking them out of the market. Rosen and Haskins will go to QB needy teams taking them out of the market as well.

Now we’re down to 6 teams and 3 QB prospects. If the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, and Saints have the years they had this year how will they be able to offer more than the Giants to move up?

That leaves 2 teams and 3 QBs.

The only way I see the Giants not getting their guy is if they have a phenomenal 2019 season, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.



Why do you think any team will want to start over with a free agent QB who another team didn't think was good enough rather than taking a shot at a top 10 draft pick? Most teams want to pick their franchise QB in the draft, and for good reason. It's incredibly rare that a QB begins with one team and ends up becoming a franchise QB for another. Drew Brees is probably the only one in the last 20 years. At most, a team would sign a free agent QB as a bridge for their top 10 pick. Also, I'd say Stafford is the only true high caliber franchise QB of the guys you listed (the other two were second round picks and have played like good second round picks, not top 10 draft picks), and why do you think he is leaving Detroit?


He is wrong. Next year there will be 10-13 teams looking. He is wearing Bigblue tinted glasses.

He thinks other teams will accept old age, mediocrity or not possibly getting an elite QB vs the QB they have. He doesn't want to admit that he thinks it's okay for other teams to have short-term vision.
RE: RE: RE: What you failed to consider  
WillVAB : 3/16/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14342328 giantstock said:
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In comment 14341888 WillVAB said:


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Is that Carr, Stafford, and Dalton would move to QB needy teams effectively taking them out of the market. Rosen and Haskins will go to QB needy teams taking them out of the market as well.

Now we’re down to 6 teams and 3 QB prospects. If the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, and Saints have the years they had this year how will they be able to offer more than the Giants to move up?

That leaves 2 teams and 3 QBs.

The only way I see the Giants not getting their guy is if they have a phenomenal 2019 season, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.



Why do you think any team will want to start over with a free agent QB who another team didn't think was good enough rather than taking a shot at a top 10 draft pick? Most teams want to pick their franchise QB in the draft, and for good reason. It's incredibly rare that a QB begins with one team and ends up becoming a franchise QB for another. Drew Brees is probably the only one in the last 20 years. At most, a team would sign a free agent QB as a bridge for their top 10 pick. Also, I'd say Stafford is the only true high caliber franchise QB of the guys you listed (the other two were second round picks and have played like good second round picks, not top 10 draft picks), and why do you think he is leaving Detroit?



He is wrong. Next year there will be 10-13 teams looking. He is wearing Bigblue tinted glasses.

He thinks other teams will accept old age, mediocrity or not possibly getting an elite QB vs the QB they have. He doesn't want to admit that he thinks it's okay for other teams to have short-term vision.


Yea a third of the league is going to be vying for a QB in the draft next year. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
RE: RE: What you failed to consider  
WillVAB : 3/16/2019 6:43 pm : link
In comment 14342312 Danny80 said:
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In comment 14341888 WillVAB said:


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Is that Carr, Stafford, and Dalton would move to QB needy teams effectively taking them out of the market. Rosen and Haskins will go to QB needy teams taking them out of the market as well.

Now we’re down to 6 teams and 3 QB prospects. If the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, and Saints have the years they had this year how will they be able to offer more than the Giants to move up?

That leaves 2 teams and 3 QBs.

The only way I see the Giants not getting their guy is if they have a phenomenal 2019 season, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.



Why do you think any team will want to start over with a free agent QB who another team didn't think was good enough rather than taking a shot at a top 10 draft pick? Most teams want to pick their franchise QB in the draft, and for good reason. It's incredibly rare that a QB begins with one team and ends up becoming a franchise QB for another. Drew Brees is probably the only one in the last 20 years. At most, a team would sign a free agent QB as a bridge for their top 10 pick. Also, I'd say Stafford is the only true high caliber franchise QB of the guys you listed (the other two were second round picks and have played like good second round picks, not top 10 draft picks), and why do you think he is leaving Detroit?


Jacksonville Jaguars?

It happens every year. Maybe the team likes the floor of the FA more than the risk of the draft pick. Maybe the team would rather secure stability at the position in FA rather than rolling the dice in the draft or trading an arm and a leg to get their guy. Maybe they don’t think they’ll be able to get the guy they want in the draft.

There’s plenty of reasons why teams do it and it happens every year.
RE: RE: Waiting until 2020 and thinking you’re going to get a top QB  
Eman11 : 3/16/2019 6:44 pm : link
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So do you think it's better to draft a QB or trade for one just to get a QB even if DG doesn't think they're the answer?



This is stupid. I was talking about 2020. Of course DG would have to believe in who he is drafting. Geesh!



Why is it stupid? I was simply asking what you thought, and how was I to know what you thought without asking?




The above "So do you think it's better to draft a QB or trade for one just to get a QB even if DG doesn't think they're the answer?" isn't asking me what I thought it's assuming I want DG to "get a QB even if DG doesn't think they're the answer?" I never said anything like that nor was that the topic of the post.


I didn't assume anything, only posed a scenario and asked if you thought that one was better. I never said or even implied you thought that, only asked ( see the ?) your opinion on that scenario.

I think maybe you read something into what I was asking, and you assumed I knew what you wanted when in fact it really was just a question.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What you failed to consider  
giantstock : 3/16/2019 6:57 pm : link
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Is that Carr, Stafford, and Dalton would move to QB needy teams effectively taking them out of the market. Rosen and Haskins will go to QB needy teams taking them out of the market as well.

Now we’re down to 6 teams and 3 QB prospects. If the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, and Saints have the years they had this year how will they be able to offer more than the Giants to move up?

That leaves 2 teams and 3 QBs.

The only way I see the Giants not getting their guy is if they have a phenomenal 2019 season, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.



Why do you think any team will want to start over with a free agent QB who another team didn't think was good enough rather than taking a shot at a top 10 draft pick? Most teams want to pick their franchise QB in the draft, and for good reason. It's incredibly rare that a QB begins with one team and ends up becoming a franchise QB for another. Drew Brees is probably the only one in the last 20 years. At most, a team would sign a free agent QB as a bridge for their top 10 pick. Also, I'd say Stafford is the only true high caliber franchise QB of the guys you listed (the other two were second round picks and have played like good second round picks, not top 10 draft picks), and why do you think he is leaving Detroit?



He is wrong. Next year there will be 10-13 teams looking. He is wearing Bigblue tinted glasses.

He thinks other teams will accept old age, mediocrity or not possibly getting an elite QB vs the QB they have. He doesn't want to admit that he thinks it's okay for other teams to have short-term vision.



Yea a third of the league is going to be vying for a QB in the draft next year. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?


Umm David Te said the same thing he had 10 teams. You know how silly you sound with your blind homerism wiht the Gmen? Sure let's get tshsi straight -- fans like you down play this upcoming class and many of you weren't so high on lats year's class yet ALL the teams with these supposed "weak QB's" are going to just miraculously bypass potential elite QB's when you;ve seen since day 1 how teams STRETCH to get QB's?

Not to mention teams with older qb's etc regardless if the new QB may have to sit?

You can search on this very site and see David Te indicate THIRTEEN TEAMS. SO he is the nutjob and not you?
SO I want to be clear -- YOU are calling David Te silly?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What you failed to consider  
giantstock : 3/16/2019 6:58 pm : link
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Is that Carr, Stafford, and Dalton would move to QB needy teams effectively taking them out of the market. Rosen and Haskins will go to QB needy teams taking them out of the market as well.

Now we’re down to 6 teams and 3 QB prospects. If the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, and Saints have the years they had this year how will they be able to offer more than the Giants to move up?

That leaves 2 teams and 3 QBs.

The only way I see the Giants not getting their guy is if they have a phenomenal 2019 season, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.



Why do you think any team will want to start over with a free agent QB who another team didn't think was good enough rather than taking a shot at a top 10 draft pick? Most teams want to pick their franchise QB in the draft, and for good reason. It's incredibly rare that a QB begins with one team and ends up becoming a franchise QB for another. Drew Brees is probably the only one in the last 20 years. At most, a team would sign a free agent QB as a bridge for their top 10 pick. Also, I'd say Stafford is the only true high caliber franchise QB of the guys you listed (the other two were second round picks and have played like good second round picks, not top 10 draft picks), and why do you think he is leaving Detroit?



He is wrong. Next year there will be 10-13 teams looking. He is wearing Bigblue tinted glasses.

He thinks other teams will accept old age, mediocrity or not possibly getting an elite QB vs the QB they have. He doesn't want to admit that he thinks it's okay for other teams to have short-term vision.



Yea a third of the league is going to be vying for a QB in the draft next year. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?



Umm David Te said the same thing he had 10 teams. You know how silly you sound with your blind homerism wiht the Gmen? Sure let's get tshsi straight -- fans like you down play this upcoming class and many of you weren't so high on lats year's class yet ALL the teams with these supposed "weak QB's" are going to just miraculously bypass potential elite QB's when you;ve seen since day 1 how teams STRETCH to get QB's?

Not to mention teams with older qb's etc regardless if the new QB may have to sit?

You can search on this very site and see David Te indicate THIRTEEN TEAMS. SO he is the nutjob and not you?
SO I want to be clear -- YOU are calling David Te silly?


Actually he had 13 teams.
If its not a qb in 2019, nor 2020  
micky : 3/16/2019 7:11 pm : link
Then they will try and win with Eli for 5 more years or however long the next contract extension is
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What you failed to consider  
WillVAB : 3/16/2019 11:29 pm : link
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Is that Carr, Stafford, and Dalton would move to QB needy teams effectively taking them out of the market. Rosen and Haskins will go to QB needy teams taking them out of the market as well.

Now we’re down to 6 teams and 3 QB prospects. If the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, and Saints have the years they had this year how will they be able to offer more than the Giants to move up?

That leaves 2 teams and 3 QBs.

The only way I see the Giants not getting their guy is if they have a phenomenal 2019 season, which isn’t the worst thing in the world.



Why do you think any team will want to start over with a free agent QB who another team didn't think was good enough rather than taking a shot at a top 10 draft pick? Most teams want to pick their franchise QB in the draft, and for good reason. It's incredibly rare that a QB begins with one team and ends up becoming a franchise QB for another. Drew Brees is probably the only one in the last 20 years. At most, a team would sign a free agent QB as a bridge for their top 10 pick. Also, I'd say Stafford is the only true high caliber franchise QB of the guys you listed (the other two were second round picks and have played like good second round picks, not top 10 draft picks), and why do you think he is leaving Detroit?



He is wrong. Next year there will be 10-13 teams looking. He is wearing Bigblue tinted glasses.

He thinks other teams will accept old age, mediocrity or not possibly getting an elite QB vs the QB they have. He doesn't want to admit that he thinks it's okay for other teams to have short-term vision.



Yea a third of the league is going to be vying for a QB in the draft next year. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?



Umm David Te said the same thing he had 10 teams. You know how silly you sound with your blind homerism wiht the Gmen? Sure let's get tshsi straight -- fans like you down play this upcoming class and many of you weren't so high on lats year's class yet ALL the teams with these supposed "weak QB's" are going to just miraculously bypass potential elite QB's when you;ve seen since day 1 how teams STRETCH to get QB's?

Not to mention teams with older qb's etc regardless if the new QB may have to sit?

You can search on this very site and see David Te indicate THIRTEEN TEAMS. SO he is the nutjob and not you?
SO I want to be clear -- YOU are calling David Te silly?


Yea, he’s a fucking clown if he truly believes 13 teams are going to be jockeying for a QB in the draft next year. Not happening.
So, those who say don't wait...  
.McL. : 3/17/2019 2:31 am : link
Believe we should take a QB whether or not we have a conviction on the player or not.

Assuming these reports are true, the Giants don't have a conviction on these QBs, you folks think they should take one anyway.

Isn't drafting players that you hope will be something more than what they have played up to how Reese and co got us into this mess in the first place. How has that strategy worked out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What you failed to consider  
giantstock : 3/17/2019 1:44 pm : link
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Yea, he’s a fucking clown if he truly believes 13 teams are going to be jockeying for a QB in the draft next year. Not happening.


You're a complete clown. WtF does "not happening" even mean? Not saying 13 qb's are going to be slected. You're too thick to have further conversations with. Your blindness to other teams issues is typical of a homer Giant bigbue tainted fan.
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