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When did Lawrence Taylor start to decline?

BUgiantfan : 3/16/2019 6:33 pm
I don't remember LT being a dominant force after 1990 but can't remember if it was his age or just a terrible team that was responsible for his drop-off in production. Was he dominant right up until his ruptured achilles or had he started to become more pedestrian prior to that?
Watching the two bills documentary last night  
ron mexico : 3/16/2019 6:38 pm : link
He said that parcels kept him engaged and belicheck kept him on his toes after they left he wasn't the same.
Which imo shows you need talented managers of talent  
ron mexico : 3/16/2019 6:40 pm : link
Which it seems the current Giants are lacking.
I think  
Allen in CNJ : 3/16/2019 6:43 pm : link
After he suffered that nasty high ankle in late 89 he started to decline a bit although he showed flashes till he blew out his Achilles in 92. He was good in 90 but teams really started to figure him out and doubled and tripled him - also in 90 with Carl banks being hurt and not 100% they really relied on their secondary to make plays a la the super bowl and championship game that year. I think the scheme did him in in 91 and he played well in 92 till he had the Achilles. In 93 he was still a formidable pass rusher but again Mike Nolanís scheme didnít really fit HIM as a player.
He didnít  
TommytheElephant : 3/16/2019 6:44 pm : link
LT is still one baaaad mothafucka
And the best game I ever saw him play  
Allen in CNJ : 3/16/2019 6:44 pm : link
Bar none, was the Sunday night game in New Orleans in 88.
When he tore his achilles  
debo_GIANTS : 3/16/2019 6:46 pm : link
I remember where I was as a kid watching him get carted off. They were playing the packers that day.
After the 90 super bowl.  
larryflower37 : 3/16/2019 6:48 pm : link
I would say it was a combination of the lack of talent around him, the poor coaching staff, injuries and he wasn't as motivated as he was with the Bill's .

He still could flash at will but it didn't seem he had that non stop motor that made him LT.
1990  
Vanzetti : 3/16/2019 6:58 pm : link
He was still probably the best LB in football in 1990. But he was no longer LT after the 89 season
I think he had already declined...  
M.S. : 3/16/2019 7:03 pm : link

...by the 1990/91 Super Bowl Season!
His last dominant year was '89.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/16/2019 7:17 pm : link
His last dominant game was the '90 opener.
Larry, Vanzetti and Emlen  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2019 7:26 pm : link
pretty much nailed it
RE: Larry, Vanzetti and Emlen  
mfsd : 3/16/2019 7:40 pm : link
In comment 14342515 Big Blue '56 said:
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pretty much nailed it


Agreed. My memory, for perspective, is he was still a serious presence - opposing teams scheming to try and block him. But he never again single handeldy dominated games after 90 IIRC
RE: When he tore his achilles  
VinegarPeppers : 3/16/2019 7:41 pm : link
I think the Daily News had a back pager of him on the stretcher with a superman logo replacing his numbers.



In comment 14342468 debo_GIANTS said:
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I remember where I was as a kid watching him get carted off. They were playing the packers that day.
RE: He didnít  
micky : 3/16/2019 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14342462 TommytheElephant said:
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LT is still one baaaad mothafucka


This
RE: His last dominant year was '89.  
bw in dc : 3/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14342507 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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His last dominant game was the '90 opener.


This is spot on.

I will always wonder what caused the slow down - the physical toll his play took on his body or his excessive drug and alcohol use.
LT  
Matt in SGS : 3/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
started off 1990 like a rocket, he had those 3 sacks in the opener vs. the Eagles. But if you go back, in Week 3 against the Dolphins, the Giants had beaten up Dan Marino. So much so that Marino would later say the Giants were the best 3-4 defense he ever faced. Marino got benched late in the game in garbage time and LT stayed in the game late trying to get another sack.

In the last few plays, LT was rushing against Richmond Webb and pulled his hamstring. He took a lot of heat at the time because he had incentives in his contracts for sacks and the Giants should have sat him and he was trying to earn extra money after his hold out. It took him a long time to recover from that hamstring pull and he played through it, but didn't play well.

By 1991, he really wasn't focused and he hurt his knee against Tampa Bay. He had lost a step. In 1992, he was actually talking about retiring mid season, had a big game against the Redskins in DC to help beat them on a Sunday Night and the next week he tore his achillies against the Packers.

To echo everyone else and sum it up, his last dominant season was 1989, and he started out 1990 the right way, until he pulled his hamstring and really didn't come around again until the Detroit game in Week 10 when he got a couple of sacks vs. old friend Lomas Brown.
RE: I think  
Matt in SGS : 3/16/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14342460 Allen in CNJ said:
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After he suffered that nasty high ankle in late 89 he started to decline a bit although he showed flashes till he blew out his Achilles in 92. He was good in 90 but teams really started to figure him out and doubled and tripled him - also in 90 with Carl banks being hurt and not 100% they really relied on their secondary to make plays a la the super bowl and championship game that year. I think the scheme did him in in 91 and he played well in 92 till he had the Achilles. In 93 he was still a formidable pass rusher but again Mike Nolanís scheme didnít really fit HIM as a player.


He actually broke a bone in his ankle on that dirty block vs. the Niners on the Monday Night game in 1989. Dirty Wesley Walls and cut blocking Niners.
decline?  
RasputinPrime : 3/16/2019 8:46 pm : link
last week - maybe.
Pretty much  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/16/2019 8:53 pm : link
Was still better than 90% of the NFL when he retired

OBJ is mentioned as a generational talent. When it comes to football talent and performance heís not in the same area code IMO.
RE: His last dominant year was '89.  
Optimus-NY : 3/16/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14342507 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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His last dominant game was the '90 opener.


He had 3 sacks in the 93 opener in Chicago including the game clincher.
RE: RE: I think  
Optimus-NY : 3/16/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14342598 Matt in SGS said:
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After he suffered that nasty high ankle in late 89 he started to decline a bit although he showed flashes till he blew out his Achilles in 92. He was good in 90 but teams really started to figure him out and doubled and tripled him - also in 90 with Carl banks being hurt and not 100% they really relied on their secondary to make plays a la the super bowl and championship game that year. I think the scheme did him in in 91 and he played well in 92 till he had the Achilles. In 93 he was still a formidable pass rusher but again Mike Nolanís scheme didnít really fit HIM as a player.



He actually broke a bone in his ankle on that dirty block vs. the Niners on the Monday Night game in 1989. Dirty Wesley Walls and cut blocking Niners.


Their dirty ass OL Coach Bob McKittrick.
RE: RE: I think  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/16/2019 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14342598 Matt in SGS said:
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After he suffered that nasty high ankle in late 89 he started to decline a bit although he showed flashes till he blew out his Achilles in 92. He was good in 90 but teams really started to figure him out and doubled and tripled him - also in 90 with Carl banks being hurt and not 100% they really relied on their secondary to make plays a la the super bowl and championship game that year. I think the scheme did him in in 91 and he played well in 92 till he had the Achilles. In 93 he was still a formidable pass rusher but again Mike Nolanís scheme didnít really fit HIM as a player.



He actually broke a bone in his ankle on that dirty block vs. the Niners on the Monday Night game in 1989. Dirty Wesley Walls and cut blocking Niners.
I was at that game and the scumbag 49,er fans cheered when was hurt.. fuck them
1991 was when I knew (for sure) it was the  
O Butter Giants 2019 : 3/16/2019 11:26 pm : link
beginning of the end for LT.
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section125 : 3/17/2019 1:41 am : link
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After he suffered that nasty high ankle in late 89 he started to decline a bit although he showed flashes till he blew out his Achilles in 92. He was good in 90 but teams really started to figure him out and doubled and tripled him - also in 90 with Carl banks being hurt and not 100% they really relied on their secondary to make plays a la the super bowl and championship game that year. I think the scheme did him in in 91 and he played well in 92 till he had the Achilles. In 93 he was still a formidable pass rusher but again Mike Nolanís scheme didnít really fit HIM as a player.



He actually broke a bone in his ankle on that dirty block vs. the Niners on the Monday Night game in 1989. Dirty Wesley Walls and cut blocking Niners.

I was at that game and the scumbag 49,er fans cheered when was hurt.. fuck them


Yet, he played 10 days later....
After the torn achilles.  
Bubba : 3/17/2019 6:31 am : link
He was supposed to retire that year but did not want to go out that way and came back for another season. He was still better than the average LB but not up to LT standards.
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