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Lombardi now saying Giants not in love with 2019 QBs

Pan-handler : 3/16/2019 6:56 pm
Former GM Mike Lombardi said in an article at The Athletic that numerous people have reported to him that the Giants are not in love with any of the 2019 QBs.






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Man  
dep026 : 3/16/2019 9:52 pm : link
some people are just miserable.
RE: Am I the only one on this site that thinks the Giants ...  
.McL. : 3/16/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14342514 Boy Cord said:
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... are going to have a top-3 pick next year? I would say the top pick, but the Cardinals are going to be tough to out-lose. I’m very comfortable if the Giants pass on a QB this year because they will be in play yet again in the 2020 draft.

I can see top 10 again... Top 3, that would probably take a disaster of some sort, but I wouldn't rule it out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stating the obvious  
.McL. : 3/16/2019 9:55 pm : link
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But it's either the most obvious smokescreen on the planet or the Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL.



I vote the leakiest. :)



That's where the smart money is if we're using history as an indicator.


Did you see the OBJ trade coming?

Glazer did!
JonC  
Go Terps : 3/16/2019 9:56 pm : link
Heard anything about Daniel Jones? If he's there at 17 it's easy to imagine him being the pick.
Daniel Jones  
crooza172 : 3/16/2019 10:02 pm : link
Is about as underwhelming as the come. What do they love about this kid that the remotely thing he can carry this franchise for the next decade and a half? I don’t see it.
If they are planning a tanking another year  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/16/2019 10:16 pm : link
They should discount the tickets
RE: Daniel Jones  
GFAN52 : 3/16/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14342696 crooza172 said:
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Is about as underwhelming as the come. What do they love about this kid that the remotely thing he can carry this franchise for the next decade and a half? I don’t see it.


The Giants love those Senior Bowl MVPs.
RE: Disinformation?  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/16/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14342553 Jim in Tampa said:
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I doubt it. Not with this team.

It was about this time last year when we started reading reports that the Giants were not going to select a QB.

I wanted a QB (Rosen was my first choice) and I kept holding out hope that it was disinformation. Turns out all the reports were right.

They could just be messing with TC and the Jags, now that they have already signed Folks...
Autocorrect  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/16/2019 10:28 pm : link
Foles.
RE: Man  
AcesUp : 3/16/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14342683 dep026 said:
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some people are just miserable.


We're discussing a football team. Grow up.
If the giants aren’t interested in here qb’s  
giantsFC : 3/16/2019 10:49 pm : link
Then many other teams probably aren’t that Need one

Then teams may pass on drafting

Then these q ‘s slide down the draft board

Then the giants may find one they like at a lower pick

Then if they suck bad in 2019, which they prob will, they can try for a qb then and it won’t be as bad as if they drafted one of these at 6.

So good. I am fine w this
RE: RE: Daniel Jones  
crooza172 : 3/16/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14342709 GFAN52 said:
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Is about as underwhelming as the come. What do they love about this kid that the remotely thing he can carry this franchise for the next decade and a half? I don’t see it.



The Giants love those Senior Bowl MVPs.


And you would think they learned their lesson after drafting the last two. I wouldn’t touch jones before round three.
RE: JonC  
montanagiant : 3/16/2019 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14342689 Go Terps said:
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Heard anything about Daniel Jones? If he's there at 17 it's easy to imagine him being the pick.

I'd go Lock by a mile before Jones
Good  
WillVAB : 3/16/2019 11:34 pm : link
This QB class sucks.
MISDIRECTION  
5BowlsSoon : 3/16/2019 11:36 pm : link
They won’t do it two years in a row
RE: No to Rosen and Haskins  
bw in dc : 3/16/2019 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14342665 JonC said:
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not so sure about Murray yet.


Why down on Rosen? Comp? Or they still have last year’s scouting report on their mind?

RE: JonC  
.McL. : 3/16/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14342689 Go Terps said:
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Heard anything about Daniel Jones? If he's there at 17 it's easy to imagine him being the pick.

Good lord, I hope not...
Jones  
BigBlueCane : 3/17/2019 12:05 am : link
is a multi-year year starter that can move or scramble, that was used to playing on and leading a team that was routinely out-talented by almost everyone they played. He's also I think one of the larger QB's in this draft from a size and height POV.

Mentally, he doesn't have any off the field red flags, he has a good relationship with Eli, and wants to learn from/study under him and thru Cutcliffe he already has a relationship with Manning as well as an understanding of what being an NFL QB off and on the field is all about.

He does seem to be a QB type that Shurmer prefers to work with and have an awful lot of the traits that the Giants would like/prefer in their QB.

at the risk of sounding right, I would not be surprised if he's picked either #17 or for their 2nd round pick.
RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:07 am : link
In comment 14342544 TommytheElephant said:
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Out his career ?


That right there..... What I wouldn’t give....

I know they are an easy target but to me it’s over the top. Especially the Eli narrative. It’s way over the top, overstated, even weird, and ill say that for as long as i live. Every single second guess on every transaction goes back to Eli still being employed by nyg. The giants have lost any shred of street cred because Eli is still here. It’s weird. I can see some second guessing but it’s like the giants have Dave Brown at qb for the last few years if you listen to some people.
RE: Jones  
bw in dc : 3/17/2019 12:12 am : link
In comment 14342784 BigBlueCane said:
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is a multi-year year starter that can move or scramble, that was used to playing on and leading a team that was routinely out-talented by almost everyone they played. He's also I think one of the larger QB's in this draft from a size and height POV.

Mentally, he doesn't have any off the field red flags, he has a good relationship with Eli, and wants to learn from/study under him and thru Cutcliffe he already has a relationship with Manning as well as an understanding of what being an NFL QB off and on the field is all about.

He does seem to be a QB type that Shurmer prefers to work with and have an awful lot of the traits that the Giants would like/prefer in their QB.

at the risk of sounding right, I would not be surprised if he's picked either #17 or for their 2nd round pick.


You disappoint me, Cane. I used to respect your college insights.

This is a major setback. ; )
The guy puts up close to equal to average nfl stats  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:12 am : link
Behind what is universally considered one of the very worst OLs in all of football and it’s a five alarm fire of dire proportions to many. Maybe I’m the idiot, I’ve been wrong before but while I do think the giants should look for the next long term starting qb I don’t think the nyg conversation should start and end with this so called insanely bad Eli qb decision by the giants. It started as a fire and spread. It’s out of control.
Sorry not to Miller the thread too much  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:21 am : link
It will be interesting to see where the giants go here in this draft. Would they look for a qb in the second round or at 17? I don’t think they take Haskins at 6. I think they want the star defensive talent there. Can’t see murray sliding to 6 it’s just rare to see a high profile qb slide that far. One like Murray or even Haskins always goes top 5 it seems. Would they hope to get a guy like jones in round 2? I still haven’t even gotten used to knowing the giants have two first rounders, and both in top 20. Never happens.

Would 17 be too high for one of the other QBs? Do the giants just go defense crazy assuming they can get the RT in FA....

If they pass on the qbs I just hope that the Eli narrative cools down a bit and people just accept it for another year but that’s not gonna happen. Fun to my head I think they take a qb somewhere in those first 3 high picks But I’m not too sure about it. It’s a deep defensive draft... could you blame them if they just went bpa? They need players badly.
Fun to my head  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:22 am : link
Should read gun to my head
I’ll say it again  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:34 am : link
There is a ton of speculation going on that’s masked as actual journalism. It’s not. This shit from Lombardi is SPECULATION and opinion. It might look like factual information, but it’s not. He’s going on innuendo and rumor. Everyone is. Even if some or shit being “leaked” is real, it’s coming from the same pool of misinformation and bullshit. We’ve literally heard the giants like Murray and don’t like Murray in the same day. We’ve heard the same thing about Haskins. NOW, after this latest written piece of garbage, I’m supposed to believe that the giants don’t like any of these QBs? So every other prior article, tweet, blog or podcast from every other writer, talkie or expert was complete and utter horse shit?

The giants are the same as every other team. There is probably some true info out there and a whole bunch of false made up out of thin air bullshit. Good luck deciminating it all, maybe you get 1-2 things right due to sheer logic, but the giants aren’t leaking anything and even if they are, it doesn’t matter.
It's not just Lombardi  
AcesUp : 3/17/2019 12:49 am : link
Jordan Ranaan and Diana Russini reported similar info the last few days. The Diana Russini report is the one that's most concerning. She's pretty much ubiquitous in ESPNs NFL programming and rolls up to a Giants employee and asks "So what do you guys think of Haskins?". And what looks like a sincere response is "He fucking stinks". Cmon! This isn't JonC or jtgiants on BigBlueInteractive.com. This is the chick that's literally on two ESPN channels at the same time talking about football every single day.

RE: RE: RE: No to Rosen and Haskins  
section125 : 3/17/2019 12:51 am : link
In comment 14342679 Giants38 said:
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Seriously, with the leaks and all this crap, is there any doubt this organization is the worst run in football? If JonC and JT can come one here and tell us exactly what is going on, something is fukadomed up. Don’t get me wrong; I love the information and I’m happy they pass it along, but does it not strike anyone as odd that the Giants can’t keep anything to themselves?


If the Giants have asshats, you don't think other teams have asshats?
Dumb and dumber around here sometimes.....
I wish  
Giantimistic : 3/17/2019 1:37 am : link
That if the Hiants really didn’t want Hankins that they would be telling everyone that they did so that a team would jump in front of them to take him and push a better player to the Giants.

I hope it is different with Gettleman but teams always seemed to jump in front of Reese to take who we really wanted.
RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2019 6:31 am : link
In comment 14342659 JCin332 said:
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Out his career ?



What would happen if you won the Power Ball?



Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...

Not surprisingly your reading comprehension skills continue to be at the remedial elementary level.
Well, could be another December  
joeinpa : 3/17/2019 7:17 am : link
Watching Giants football knowing losses for draft position are better that wins.

Makes last year’s #1 pick even more puzzling
I will add  
joeinpa : 3/17/2019 7:28 am : link
If any of Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Haskins, proves to be the real deal, passing at 2 and again at 6 will be remembered as one of the worst moves in history of this franchise

Giants pass and yet they all get picked in top 10. Guess DG is smartest guy in the room.

RE: I will add  
Sean : 3/17/2019 7:40 am : link
In comment 14342879 joeinpa said:
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If any of Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Haskins, proves to be the real deal, passing at 2 and again at 6 will be remembered as one of the worst moves in history of this franchise

Giants pass and yet they all get picked in top 10. Guess DG is smartest guy in the room.


Not if the Giants get their guy next year (Tua, Fromm or Herbert). The issue I have is there will be a ton of competition league wide next year.
Quarterback, as usual, is not the problem with this team...  
the mike : 3/17/2019 8:22 am : link
Never has been, never will be... Need to draft best player available every pic in this draft... and forever thereafter... Drafting for need is outright stupidity. Our need for a quarterback does not make any of them good.

Best player available is predominantly defense this year. Which is exactly what this team desperately needs... And, oh by the way, the best way to change the culture of this team is to get back to being the best defense in the NFL. When the best players on this team are predominantly on defense, we will again be competing for championships.... Whether that be with Eli Manning, Kyler Murray or Jake Fromm. Or Case Keenum for that matter.

The thing that drives me nuts on this site is the daily incessant rantings and ravings about the need for a franchise quarterback... It is a false narrative driven by the irrational alchemy of falling in love with star players...

Since 1990, of the 29 "star" quarterbacks taken first in the draft, thirteen can be considered outright busts (44%); ten have been solid non-championship starters (35%), led by Andrew Luck, arguably the best of the first quarterbacks drafted in the super bowl era, who has never even won an AFC championship in his seven years; and exactly six (21%) have taken their teams to the super bowl. Four are 0-1(McNair, Newton, Ryan, Goff). One is 2-2. The other is 2-0. Hint: The only two winners both have the same last name...

Defense... Defense... Defense!!! In that order.


RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
ajr2456 : 3/17/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14342659 JCin332 said:
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Out his career ?



What would happen if you won the Power Ball?



Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...


Yes I’m rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sunday’s are miserable. You got me.

There’s a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. We’ve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.
RE: Quarterback, as usual, is not the problem with this team...  
ajr2456 : 3/17/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14342929 the mike said:
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Since 1990, of the 29 "star" quarterbacks taken first in the draft, thirteen can be considered outright busts (44%); ten have been solid non-championship starters (35%), led by Andrew Luck, arguably the best of the first quarterbacks drafted in the super bowl era, who has never even won an AFC championship in his seven years; and exactly six (21%) have taken their teams to the super bowl. Four are 0-1(McNair, Newton, Ryan, Goff). One is 2-2. The other is 2-0. Hint: The only two winners both have the same last name...

Defense... Defense... Defense!!! In that order.



Now do the bust percentage for every first round pick, I bet you get a similar number.
aj-  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2019 8:42 am : link
pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.

Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.
RE: RE: I will add  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2019 8:43 am : link
In comment 14342888 Sean said:
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If any of Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Haskins, proves to be the real deal, passing at 2 and again at 6 will be remembered as one of the worst moves in history of this franchise

Giants pass and yet they all get picked in top 10. Guess DG is smartest guy in the room.




Not if the Giants get their guy next year (Tua, Fromm or Herbert). The issue I have is there will be a ton of competition league wide next year.

Well in that scenario, we'll be halfway through Barkley's rookie contract by the time Eli's successor is even drafted, and would have to choose between extending Eli by a year, bringing in a placeholder QB, or opting to start a rookie QB right away despite Gettleman's stated admiration for what is now being commonly referred to as the Kansas City model.

It will also mean using the OBJ draft capital acquired this year on anything other than QB (thus starting the clock on those rookies' contracts), and very likely then having to use additional draft capital in the future to trade up for a QB.

I realize there are several ways to build a team successfully, but the problem as I see it with building the rest of the roster first and then getting your QB (aside from the obvious part of passing on QB prospects when you're in position to get one without trading up), is that most other positions don't have nearly the shelf life that a QB does, and many reach their peak more quickly than a QB might. So even though Barkley's great, we're squandering 2-3 years of his career on a transition era, and that's best case scenario where the next QB is both the right guy and has a fairly accelerated start to his career.

There are a lot of ways to build a team, but some methods seem to be a bit more synergistic than others. And sometimes it starts to at least be a possibility that a GM who has never had to find his own franchise QB might be a little too gunshy about doing it.
Mentioned above by a few...if the Giants don't see  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2019 8:50 am : link
a QB in this draft, then they absolutely should be flipping that second #1 pick this year for a few extra picks this year PLUS a #1 in 2020.

Use the two #1 picks next year to get up as far as we can to pick a QB in 2020.

If we finish 2019 bad enough and can draft a guy without tossing in the extra #1 pick, then all the better...
RE: aj-  
ajr2456 : 3/17/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14342948 Diver_Down said:
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pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.

Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.


From what I’ve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.

Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate.
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RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
joeinpa : 3/17/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14342576 Diver_Down said:
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Out his career ?

He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.
RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2019 9:10 am : link
In comment 14342981 joeinpa said:
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Out his career ?

He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.



Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.

If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?
RE: RE: aj-  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2019 9:13 am : link
In comment 14342979 ajr2456 said:
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pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.

Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.



From what I’ve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.

Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate. Success rate - ( New Window )


Throw away the historical %s and hit rates. It doesn't matter at this point as we have to pick one in 2019 and/or 2020. End of story...
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ajr2456 : 3/17/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14343001 Jimmy Googs said:
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pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.

Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.



From what I’ve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.

Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate. Success rate - ( New Window )



Throw away the historical %s and hit rates. It doesn't matter at this point as we have to pick one in 2019 and/or 2020. End of story...


Exactly my point. Posters saying QBs have x chance of busting so we should wait to take one are missing the point.

Every pick has a high chance of busting. You can try to guard against it as much as possible but there are too many variables.
bw in dc  
BigBlueCane : 3/17/2019 10:51 am : link
Outside of Clemson vs Alabama again, there's not a lot of stuff to look forward to in CFB these days.

Those are the two programs that matter at the end.
RE: JonC  
JonC : 3/17/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14342689 Go Terps said:
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Heard anything about Daniel Jones? If he's there at 17 it's easy to imagine him being the pick.


Nothing yet. I suspect #17 they go OT.
RE: RE: No to Rosen and Haskins  
JonC : 3/17/2019 11:52 am : link
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not so sure about Murray yet.



Why down on Rosen? Comp? Or they still have last year’s scouting report on their mind?


No new details on Rosen.
I read that this morning  
Carson53 : 3/17/2019 12:03 pm : link
at The Athletic, wouldn't surprise me if that's true.
This is based on how DG handled the draft last year.
I know I am not't excited for Haskins, and never felt they would take Murray. If Daniel Jones made it to Round 2,
I would take him. He probably won't though.
I would trade for Rosen, 3rd and 5th, mot a 2nd Rd. pick.
Arizona was worst than the Giants last year, and their
O Line was worst as well (hard to believe, but...)
He still is a very good pure passer.
I would like them to go ER and RT on first two picks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
JCin332 : 3/17/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14342932 ajr2456 said:
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What would happen if you won the Power Ball?



Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...



Yes I’m rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sunday’s are miserable. You got me.

There’s a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. We’ve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.



Well that makes 2 of us with season tickets so glad we both rooting for team success ..but from looking at your total body of work sometimes doesn't seem like it...
RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Carson53 : 3/17/2019 12:14 pm : link
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Out his career ?

He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.





Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.

If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?
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His completion % had a lot to do with being a
'checkdown Charlie' for a least the first half of the season, at one point he was over 70%.
His career high in yardage was back in 2011 I believe,
when about 5 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards,
Eli was just under that.
So numbers can be deceiving. With no OBJ around
to stretch the field, you will see even more of 'checkdown Charlie' this year, I would presume.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14343332 JCin332 said:
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What would happen if you won the Power Ball?



Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...



Yes I’m rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sunday’s are miserable. You got me.

There’s a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. We’ve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.




Well that makes 2 of us with season tickets so glad we both rooting for team success ..but from looking at your total body of work sometimes doesn't seem like it...

I know you're not great at understanding things, but it IS possible to be a loyal Giants fan while simultaneously being cautious about Eli being the right option going forward. Some people are able to separate appreciation for the past from skepticism about the future. It's not an indictment of your fellow Giants fans that they don't all share your enduring faith in #10.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 4:10 pm : link
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Out his career ?

He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.





Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.

If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?

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His completion % had a lot to do with being a
'checkdown Charlie' for a least the first half of the season, at one point he was over 70%.
His career high in yardage was back in 2011 I believe,
when about 5 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards,
Eli was just under that.
So numbers can be deceiving. With no OBJ around
to stretch the field, you will see even more of 'checkdown Charlie' this year, I would presume.


Checkdown was more due to OL than anything else. Pully at C, a green rookie at LG and the absolutely ineffective Omameh at RG. Eli had no chance when they started stunting the A gaps with those guys on the interior. Also the threat of a downfield passing game opened up the underneath a bit.
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