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Lombardi now saying Giants not in love with 2019 QBs

Pan-handler : 3/16/2019 6:56 pm
Former GM Mike Lombardi said in an article at The Athletic that numerous people have reported to him that the Giants are not in love with any of the 2019 QBs.






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ROSEN  
Mr. Bungle : 3/16/2019 6:57 pm : link
2020!!!
Good  
eric2425ny : 3/16/2019 6:58 pm : link
Fortify the D and draft a QB next year
.  
Danny Kanell : 3/16/2019 6:59 pm : link
Good. Trade for Rosen or wait until next year.
I want Rosen  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2019 7:01 pm : link
But same old bullshit. Why is this shit getting out? That doesn't help us if this gets out. Arizona now has something over us to use in negotiations.
Good.  
Red Dog : 3/16/2019 7:02 pm : link
Finish rebuilding the OL. Fix the defense. Draft a QB next year when there will be a lot to choose from and better choices than this year to boot.
RE: I want Rosen  
UConn4523 : 3/16/2019 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14342487 robbieballs2003 said:
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But same old bullshit. Why is this shit getting out? That doesn't help us if this gets out. Arizona now has something over us to use in negotiations.


Haha, really? These reports can mean anything.
wait til next year!  
bluepepper : 3/16/2019 7:05 pm : link
will be interesting to see if Eli has a decent year and the team wins 7-8 games if we start hearing takes that the 2020 class really ain't all that after all and maybe we should wait another year (Trevor!).
With rosenís Concussion history  
thrunthrublue : 3/16/2019 7:05 pm : link
And the giants pass protecting, you will need eli around to be the starter while you pay Rosen millions to hold the blue computer....
Lombardi is a hack. His sources are  
Dave on the UWS : 3/16/2019 7:06 pm : link
sketchy, at best. He may be right, but I never take anything that comes out of his mouth seriously. We will see.
Unless it is coming from Glazer and to a lesser extent  
Zeke's Alibi : 3/16/2019 7:08 pm : link
Shrager don't buy into anything you read about the Giants interests until we get to the week of the draft.
RE: Good.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14342488 Red Dog said:
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Finish rebuilding the OL. Fix the defense. Draft a QB next year when there will be a lot to choose from and better choices than this year to boot.


This is ridiculous. A lot? One, you don't just take a QB to take a QB because one is available to you. You have to be ready to get married to that QB not just date them because they were next in line. Two, yes there are more QB next year. However, there are way more teams that need a QB next year. So, that makes it way more difficult to get a QB next year. The worst thing that'll happen next year is we are picking in the teens and we are too faf away to trade up for our guy.

Here are teams that could draft a QB next year imo

NYG
Was
NO
Car (Cam has taken a punishment over the years)
TB (Winston gets one more year to prove himself)
Detroit (rumors they could move on from Stafford)
LAR (Goff's contract is ending, not likely but possible)
Mia
NE
Jax (rumors they could take a QB this year regardless of Foles)
Ten
Cin
Pit (I know they have Rudolph but if the opportunity presents itself)
LAC
Den (haven't figured the QB position out yet)
Oak (Carr is on the hot seat)

So unless there are about 15 QBs that are great next year we cannot just say get one next year especially with us not going full rebuild.
RE: RE: I want Rosen  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2019 7:14 pm : link
In comment 14342493 UConn4523 said:
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But same old bullshit. Why is this shit getting out? That doesn't help us if this gets out. Arizona now has something over us to use in negotiations.



Haha, really? These reports can mean anything.


They could but how many years have we had info leak where Tennessee jumped over us to draft Conklin and Chicago traded over us because we wanted Floyd. There is never smoke with this team.
None of them were touched by the  
McNally's_Nuts : 3/16/2019 7:18 pm : link
hand of God.


Probably.
Whatever  
Jim Bur(n)t : 3/16/2019 7:23 pm : link
I dont believe anything other than asshat info... Part of the "dance" this time of yr.
Because disinformation rarely occurs  
Big Blue '56 : 3/16/2019 7:23 pm : link
at this time
Am I the only one on this site that thinks the Giants ...  
Boy Cord : 3/16/2019 7:24 pm : link
... are going to have a top-3 pick next year? I would say the top pick, but the Cardinals are going to be tough to out-lose. Iím very comfortable if the Giants pass on a QB this year because they will be in play yet again in the 2020 draft.
RE: Am I the only one on this site that thinks the Giants ...  
ajr2456 : 3/16/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14342514 Boy Cord said:
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... are going to have a top-3 pick next year? I would say the top pick, but the Cardinals are going to be tough to out-lose. Iím very comfortable if the Giants pass on a QB this year because they will be in play yet again in the 2020 draft.


You are not, might not be top 3 but I think itís top 5.
RE: Am I the only one on this site that thinks the Giants ...  
GFAN52 : 3/16/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14342514 Boy Cord said:
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... are going to have a top-3 pick next year? I would say the top pick, but the Cardinals are going to be tough to out-lose. Iím very comfortable if the Giants pass on a QB this year because they will be in play yet again in the 2020 draft.


Miami unless they get a QB will be worse than the Giants.
Why is logic so difficult to understand?  
HomerJones45 : 3/16/2019 7:28 pm : link
This makes a lot more sense than the team being in love with a qb who has started 14 games in his life and a shrimp who would be the shortest guy drafted to play qb since the Truman administration.
Excellent news  
montanagiant : 3/16/2019 7:30 pm : link
Get the lines in order and grab a kid next year
Lombardi comes off as pretty obnoxious  
BSIMatt : 3/16/2019 7:30 pm : link
In that article.
RE: Am I the only one on this site that thinks the Giants ...  
robbieballs2003 : 3/16/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14342514 Boy Cord said:
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... are going to have a top-3 pick next year? I would say the top pick, but the Cardinals are going to be tough to out-lose. Iím very comfortable if the Giants pass on a QB this year because they will be in play yet again in the 2020 draft.


With improved OL play will come some wins. Don't think we'll be the worst team in the league. That should be Miami. Arizona could be up there too. Not buying Oakland turning it around. Denver doesn't look like they'll turn it around. Then you have to factor in teams that suffer injuries and underperform. Cincinnati looks like they'll be bad next year. Not buying Detroit either.
but he didn't say anything about  
SHO'NUFF : 3/16/2019 7:36 pm : link
2018 QBs...
This is going to be an interesting draft  
larryflower37 : 3/16/2019 7:37 pm : link
I could see all of these QB's dropping.
With a bunch of teams trading back Into the first to scoop them up and the early 2nd.
I don't think Murray to Arizona is a sure thing as everyone thinks.
RE: I want Rosen  
giants#1 : 3/16/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14342487 robbieballs2003 said:
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But same old bullshit. Why is this shit getting out? That doesn't help us if this gets out. Arizona now has something over us to use in negotiations.


Well if you combine this with the report that giants want a mobile qb, then AZ is shit out of luck re rosen
What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
TommytheElephant : 3/16/2019 7:38 pm : link
Out his career ?
RE: RE: Am I the only one on this site that thinks the Giants ...  
Boy Cord : 3/16/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14342525 robbieballs2003 said:
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... are going to have a top-3 pick next year? I would say the top pick, but the Cardinals are going to be tough to out-lose. Iím very comfortable if the Giants pass on a QB this year because they will be in play yet again in the 2020 draft.



With improved OL play will come some wins. Don't think we'll be the worst team in the league. That should be Miami. Arizona could be up there too. Not buying Oakland turning it around. Denver doesn't look like they'll turn it around. Then you have to factor in teams that suffer injuries and underperform. Cincinnati looks like they'll be bad next year. Not buying Detroit either.


We canít leave Buffalo out of the discussion. The OL should absolutely be better, but the WR corps is weak and the defense wasnít any good last year.

The Dolphins appear to be taking one right out of the Marlins play book: Tanking it.

Itís not easy getting a top-3 pick, let alone the top pick. There is a lot of crappy competition out there, but the Giants are in the conversation.
if thats the case  
mphbullet36 : 3/16/2019 7:40 pm : link
we need to either trade back from 6 to the bengals and get there 2nd round picks next year. I would either also trade back out of 17 or 37 (either one) completely into next years draft.

We need to have 2 1's and 2 2's next year to give us the ability to move up to get the QB we want the most in 2020
RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
ajr2456 : 3/16/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14342544 TommytheElephant said:
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Out his career ?


What would happen if you won the Power Ball?
Disinformation?  
Jim in Tampa : 3/16/2019 7:42 pm : link
I doubt it. Not with this team.

It was about this time last year when we started reading reports that the Giants were not going to select a QB.

I wanted a QB (Rosen was my first choice) and I kept holding out hope that it was disinformation. Turns out all the reports were right.
RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
eric2425ny : 3/16/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14342544 TommytheElephant said:
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Out his career ?


I would love to see this happen, guy gets shit on constantly.
Miami is the odds  
ajr2456 : 3/16/2019 7:48 pm : link
On favorite for #1. I donít even see how they win 3 games with that QB room.
RE: if thats the case  
Pan-handler : 3/16/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14342547 mphbullet36 said:
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we need to either trade back from 6 to the bengals and get there 2nd round picks next year. I would either also trade back out of 17 or 37 (either one) completely into next years draft.

We need to have 2 1's and 2 2's next year to give us the ability to move up to get the QB we want the most in 2020


Rosen
RE: RE: if thats the case  
mphbullet36 : 3/16/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14342566 Pan-handler said:
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we need to either trade back from 6 to the bengals and get there 2nd round picks next year. I would either also trade back out of 17 or 37 (either one) completely into next years draft.

We need to have 2 1's and 2 2's next year to give us the ability to move up to get the QB we want the most in 2020



Rosen


ill pass unless we get him for a steal. They say we want a mobile QB. Rosen is that at all.
At the very least this lines up with what jtgiants posted  
The_Boss : 3/16/2019 7:59 pm : link
2 weeks ago. Fromm is the guy they like in 2020. This Rosen stuff is new info as he never said anything definitive about the NYG interest.
RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Diver_Down : 3/16/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14342544 TommytheElephant said:
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Out his career ?


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.
They shouldnít be in love...  
bw in dc : 3/16/2019 7:59 pm : link
with any QB in round one. Thatís the right mindset. And good news if true.

Trade that 17th pick down for more picks. And if we can grab another second, parlay that into Ryan Finley.
Stating the obvious  
AcesUp : 3/16/2019 8:01 pm : link
But it's either the most obvious smokescreen on the planet or the Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL.
RE: RE: Good.  
mattyblue : 3/16/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14342503 robbieballs2003 said:
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Finish rebuilding the OL. Fix the defense. Draft a QB next year when there will be a lot to choose from and better choices than this year to boot.



This is ridiculous. A lot? One, you don't just take a QB to take a QB because one is available to you. You have to be ready to get married to that QB not just date them because they were next in line. Two, yes there are more QB next year. However, there are way more teams that need a QB next year. So, that makes it way more difficult to get a QB next year. The worst thing that'll happen next year is we are picking in the teens and we are too faf away to trade up for our guy.

Here are teams that could draft a QB next year imo

NYG
Was
NO
Car (Cam has taken a punishment over the years)
TB (Winston gets one more year to prove himself)
Detroit (rumors they could move on from Stafford)
LAR (Goff's contract is ending, not likely but possible)
Mia
NE
Jax (rumors they could take a QB this year regardless of Foles)
Ten
Cin
Pit (I know they have Rudolph but if the opportunity presents itself)
LAC
Den (haven't figured the QB position out yet)
Oak (Carr is on the hot seat)

So unless there are about 15 QBs that are great next year we cannot just say get one next year especially with us not going full rebuild.


Spot on Robbie. It probably is true, and some people just go on and on that we can just get a QB next year with out any trouble. If you end up having to give up 3 1st rounders plus other picks it will be brutal.
RE: Stating the obvious  
GFAN52 : 3/16/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14342581 AcesUp said:
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But it's either the most obvious smokescreen on the planet or the Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL.


I vote the leakiest. :)
If they weren't in love with a QB last year  
ZogZerg : 3/16/2019 8:04 pm : link
Then how could they be this?
These guys are no where near the QBs from last year.
RE: Because disinformation rarely occurs  
Capt. Don : 3/16/2019 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14342513 Big Blue '56 said:
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at this time


Disinformation occurs but the Giants are terrible at it
RE: RE: Stating the obvious  
AcesUp : 3/16/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14342584 GFAN52 said:
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But it's either the most obvious smokescreen on the planet or the Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL.



I vote the leakiest. :)


That's where the smart money is if we're using history as an indicator.
RE: RE: RE: Stating the obvious  
Deejboy : 3/16/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14342592 AcesUp said:
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But it's either the most obvious smokescreen on the planet or the Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL.



I vote the leakiest. :)



That's where the smart money is if we're using history as an indicator.

Did you see the OBJ trade coming?
RE: RE: Because disinformation rarely occurs  
mattyblue : 3/16/2019 8:13 pm : link
In comment 14342589 Capt. Don said:
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at this time



Disinformation occurs but the Giants are terrible at it


Exactly. This is a free Giants websites where it seems at least 2 posters are aware of plenty before it happens and that doesnít worry anyone? If the Giants like Fromm (for example) so much you donít think other GMs know this already? Everyone appreciates JonC and Jt for relaying stuff and I have no interest in asking where they hear it from, but you donít think itís a problem that they hear it to begin with? They are posting it on the internet so it isnít like some classified secret.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stating the obvious  
AcesUp : 3/16/2019 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14342597 Deejboy said:
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But it's either the most obvious smokescreen on the planet or the Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL.



I vote the leakiest. :)



That's where the smart money is if we're using history as an indicator.


Did you see the OBJ trade coming?


I knew it was a possibility but the fact that they pulled the trigger on that comp did. Not sure what your point is. The information was out.
Wonder  
WestCoastGiant56 : 3/16/2019 8:20 pm : link
If there any truth to the Russell Wilson rumor?
RE: Wonder  
Pan-handler : 3/16/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14342607 WestCoastGiant56 said:
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If there any truth to the Russell Wilson rumor?


I think ownership is all aboard the Eli train this year. Rosen I could see cuz he is gonna sit behind Eli and come in in spots (like blowouts and such).
RE: RE: RE: Good.  
Bill L : 3/16/2019 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14342583 mattyblue said:
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Finish rebuilding the OL. Fix the defense. Draft a QB next year when there will be a lot to choose from and better choices than this year to boot.



This is ridiculous. A lot? One, you don't just take a QB to take a QB because one is available to you. You have to be ready to get married to that QB not just date them because they were next in line. Two, yes there are more QB next year. However, there are way more teams that need a QB next year. So, that makes it way more difficult to get a QB next year. The worst thing that'll happen next year is we are picking in the teens and we are too faf away to trade up for our guy.

Here are teams that could draft a QB next year imo

NYG
Was
NO
Car (Cam has taken a punishment over the years)
TB (Winston gets one more year to prove himself)
Detroit (rumors they could move on from Stafford)
LAR (Goff's contract is ending, not likely but possible)
Mia
NE
Jax (rumors they could take a QB this year regardless of Foles)
Ten
Cin
Pit (I know they have Rudolph but if the opportunity presents itself)
LAC
Den (haven't figured the QB position out yet)
Oak (Carr is on the hot seat)

So unless there are about 15 QBs that are great next year we cannot just say get one next year especially with us not going full rebuild.



Spot on Robbie. It probably is true, and some people just go on and on that we can just get a QB next year with out any trouble. If you end up having to give up 3 1st rounders plus other picks it will be brutal.


Well, if all those teams are drafting before us, Iím going to be pretty flipping happy this season.
RE: Wonder  
mattyblue : 3/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14342607 WestCoastGiant56 said:
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If there any truth to the Russell Wilson rumor?


Unless I am mistaking Wilson will be 32 during the 2020 season. Is that a smart move? I also read that Wilson is 5í 11 and 205 when he was drafted. I could be wrong in the weight, nonetheless, I hear Murray called all kinds of stuff but it doesnít seem to be that much of a difference between him and Wilson.
RE: Wonder  
Boy Cord : 3/16/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14342607 WestCoastGiant56 said:
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If there any truth to the Russell Wilson rumor?


Wilson could fetch $30 million per season. Not a good way to rebuild.
The Giants intentions do seem to leak out quite a bit  
Mike from Ohio : 3/16/2019 9:00 pm : link
Hell, look at BBI. How many posters do we have on here who know the Giants intentions fairly well? Three? More?

What is coming out is probably not guessing and is almost certainly not misinformation.
Hmm  
Dodge : 3/16/2019 9:11 pm : link
"We didn't sign him to trade him."
It was reported that the Giants spent extra time with Kyle Murray that he was late for his presser.
It was report by Lombardi that the Giants are not in love with a 2019 QB.

WHICH IS TRUE? WHICH IS TRUE?????????????????
We already know Eli is playing so whatís the difference  
Chris684 : 3/16/2019 9:14 pm : link
If they like Rosen, the 2019 or 2020 QBs?

The timeline is the same regardless.

Rosen is probably a better allocation of resources than the 2019 guys given you can probably get him in the cheap.

And the 2020 class is > than the 2019 class.
RE: Stating the obvious  
Giants38 : 3/16/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14342581 AcesUp said:
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But it's either the most obvious smokescreen on the planet or the Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL.


The Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL. Thatís my bet. If DAG really smells the rot, heíll figure out the source of these leaks and shitcan them immediately. Because this is ridiculous and has been for quite a while.
RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
JCin332 : 3/16/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14342549 ajr2456 said:
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Out his career ?



What would happen if you won the Power Ball?


Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...
I think this is a lot of disinformation...  
bradshaw44 : 3/16/2019 9:32 pm : link
Starting to get the feeling if Murray gets passed AZ the Giants are going to make a move.
No to Rosen and Haskins  
JonC : 3/16/2019 9:34 pm : link
not so sure about Murray yet.
RE: No to Rosen and Haskins  
Pan-handler : 3/16/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14342665 JonC said:
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not so sure about Murray yet.


Well unless Ari somehow lets Murray get past them at #1 (which I highly doubt) this becomes pretty academic anyways.

How awesome would it be if Allen made it to 6? Coverage and amazing blitz skills the versatile type player that Bettcher seems to love. I like Sweat a TON but not quite as much as Allen for this D.
RE: RE: No to Rosen and Haskins  
Giants38 : 3/16/2019 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14342668 Pan-handler said:
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not so sure about Murray yet.



Well unless Ari somehow lets Murray get past them at #1 (which I highly doubt) this becomes pretty academic anyways.

How awesome would it be if Allen made it to 6? Coverage and amazing blitz skills the versatile type player that Bettcher seems to love. I like Sweat a TON but not quite as much as Allen for this D.


Exactly. This is BS to the nth degree. Theyíll say they love Murray because they know they canít get him, and it will make them look like they actually tried to find Eliís successor.

Seriously, with the leaks and all this crap, is there any doubt this organization is the worst run in football? If JonC and JT can come one here and tell us exactly what is going on, something is fukadomed up. Donít get me wrong; I love the information and Iím happy they pass it along, but does it not strike anyone as odd that the Giants canít keep anything to themselves?
Man  
dep026 : 3/16/2019 9:52 pm : link
some people are just miserable.
RE: Am I the only one on this site that thinks the Giants ...  
.McL. : 3/16/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14342514 Boy Cord said:
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... are going to have a top-3 pick next year? I would say the top pick, but the Cardinals are going to be tough to out-lose. Iím very comfortable if the Giants pass on a QB this year because they will be in play yet again in the 2020 draft.

I can see top 10 again... Top 3, that would probably take a disaster of some sort, but I wouldn't rule it out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Stating the obvious  
.McL. : 3/16/2019 9:55 pm : link
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But it's either the most obvious smokescreen on the planet or the Giants continue to have the leakiest ship in the NFL.



I vote the leakiest. :)



That's where the smart money is if we're using history as an indicator.


Did you see the OBJ trade coming?

Glazer did!
JonC  
Go Terps : 3/16/2019 9:56 pm : link
Heard anything about Daniel Jones? If he's there at 17 it's easy to imagine him being the pick.
Daniel Jones  
crooza172 : 3/16/2019 10:02 pm : link
Is about as underwhelming as the come. What do they love about this kid that the remotely thing he can carry this franchise for the next decade and a half? I donít see it.
If they are planning a tanking another year  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/16/2019 10:16 pm : link
They should discount the tickets
RE: Daniel Jones  
GFAN52 : 3/16/2019 10:21 pm : link
In comment 14342696 crooza172 said:
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Is about as underwhelming as the come. What do they love about this kid that the remotely thing he can carry this franchise for the next decade and a half? I donít see it.


The Giants love those Senior Bowl MVPs.
RE: Disinformation?  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/16/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14342553 Jim in Tampa said:
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I doubt it. Not with this team.

It was about this time last year when we started reading reports that the Giants were not going to select a QB.

I wanted a QB (Rosen was my first choice) and I kept holding out hope that it was disinformation. Turns out all the reports were right.

They could just be messing with TC and the Jags, now that they have already signed Folks...
Autocorrect  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/16/2019 10:28 pm : link
Foles.
RE: Man  
AcesUp : 3/16/2019 10:38 pm : link
In comment 14342683 dep026 said:
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some people are just miserable.


We're discussing a football team. Grow up.
If the giants arenít interested in here qbís  
giantsFC : 3/16/2019 10:49 pm : link
Then many other teams probably arenít that Need one

Then teams may pass on drafting

Then these q Ďs slide down the draft board

Then the giants may find one they like at a lower pick

Then if they suck bad in 2019, which they prob will, they can try for a qb then and it wonít be as bad as if they drafted one of these at 6.

So good. I am fine w this
RE: RE: Daniel Jones  
crooza172 : 3/16/2019 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14342709 GFAN52 said:
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Is about as underwhelming as the come. What do they love about this kid that the remotely thing he can carry this franchise for the next decade and a half? I donít see it.



The Giants love those Senior Bowl MVPs.


And you would think they learned their lesson after drafting the last two. I wouldnít touch jones before round three.
RE: JonC  
montanagiant : 3/16/2019 11:31 pm : link
In comment 14342689 Go Terps said:
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Heard anything about Daniel Jones? If he's there at 17 it's easy to imagine him being the pick.

I'd go Lock by a mile before Jones
Good  
WillVAB : 3/16/2019 11:34 pm : link
This QB class sucks.
MISDIRECTION  
5BowlsSoon : 3/16/2019 11:36 pm : link
They wonít do it two years in a row
RE: No to Rosen and Haskins  
bw in dc : 3/16/2019 11:39 pm : link
In comment 14342665 JonC said:
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not so sure about Murray yet.


Why down on Rosen? Comp? Or they still have last yearís scouting report on their mind?

RE: JonC  
.McL. : 3/16/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14342689 Go Terps said:
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Heard anything about Daniel Jones? If he's there at 17 it's easy to imagine him being the pick.

Good lord, I hope not...
Jones  
BigBlueCane : 3/17/2019 12:05 am : link
is a multi-year year starter that can move or scramble, that was used to playing on and leading a team that was routinely out-talented by almost everyone they played. He's also I think one of the larger QB's in this draft from a size and height POV.

Mentally, he doesn't have any off the field red flags, he has a good relationship with Eli, and wants to learn from/study under him and thru Cutcliffe he already has a relationship with Manning as well as an understanding of what being an NFL QB off and on the field is all about.

He does seem to be a QB type that Shurmer prefers to work with and have an awful lot of the traits that the Giants would like/prefer in their QB.

at the risk of sounding right, I would not be surprised if he's picked either #17 or for their 2nd round pick.
RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:07 am : link
In comment 14342544 TommytheElephant said:
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Out his career ?


That right there..... What I wouldnít give....

I know they are an easy target but to me itís over the top. Especially the Eli narrative. Itís way over the top, overstated, even weird, and ill say that for as long as i live. Every single second guess on every transaction goes back to Eli still being employed by nyg. The giants have lost any shred of street cred because Eli is still here. Itís weird. I can see some second guessing but itís like the giants have Dave Brown at qb for the last few years if you listen to some people.
RE: Jones  
bw in dc : 3/17/2019 12:12 am : link
In comment 14342784 BigBlueCane said:
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is a multi-year year starter that can move or scramble, that was used to playing on and leading a team that was routinely out-talented by almost everyone they played. He's also I think one of the larger QB's in this draft from a size and height POV.

Mentally, he doesn't have any off the field red flags, he has a good relationship with Eli, and wants to learn from/study under him and thru Cutcliffe he already has a relationship with Manning as well as an understanding of what being an NFL QB off and on the field is all about.

He does seem to be a QB type that Shurmer prefers to work with and have an awful lot of the traits that the Giants would like/prefer in their QB.

at the risk of sounding right, I would not be surprised if he's picked either #17 or for their 2nd round pick.


You disappoint me, Cane. I used to respect your college insights.

This is a major setback. ; )
The guy puts up close to equal to average nfl stats  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:12 am : link
Behind what is universally considered one of the very worst OLs in all of football and itís a five alarm fire of dire proportions to many. Maybe Iím the idiot, Iíve been wrong before but while I do think the giants should look for the next long term starting qb I donít think the nyg conversation should start and end with this so called insanely bad Eli qb decision by the giants. It started as a fire and spread. Itís out of control.
Sorry not to Miller the thread too much  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:21 am : link
It will be interesting to see where the giants go here in this draft. Would they look for a qb in the second round or at 17? I donít think they take Haskins at 6. I think they want the star defensive talent there. Canít see murray sliding to 6 itís just rare to see a high profile qb slide that far. One like Murray or even Haskins always goes top 5 it seems. Would they hope to get a guy like jones in round 2? I still havenít even gotten used to knowing the giants have two first rounders, and both in top 20. Never happens.

Would 17 be too high for one of the other QBs? Do the giants just go defense crazy assuming they can get the RT in FA....

If they pass on the qbs I just hope that the Eli narrative cools down a bit and people just accept it for another year but thatís not gonna happen. Fun to my head I think they take a qb somewhere in those first 3 high picks But Iím not too sure about it. Itís a deep defensive draft... could you blame them if they just went bpa? They need players badly.
Fun to my head  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:22 am : link
Should read gun to my head
Iíll say it again  
djm : 3/17/2019 12:34 am : link
There is a ton of speculation going on thatís masked as actual journalism. Itís not. This shit from Lombardi is SPECULATION and opinion. It might look like factual information, but itís not. Heís going on innuendo and rumor. Everyone is. Even if some or shit being ďleakedĒ is real, itís coming from the same pool of misinformation and bullshit. Weíve literally heard the giants like Murray and donít like Murray in the same day. Weíve heard the same thing about Haskins. NOW, after this latest written piece of garbage, Iím supposed to believe that the giants donít like any of these QBs? So every other prior article, tweet, blog or podcast from every other writer, talkie or expert was complete and utter horse shit?

The giants are the same as every other team. There is probably some true info out there and a whole bunch of false made up out of thin air bullshit. Good luck deciminating it all, maybe you get 1-2 things right due to sheer logic, but the giants arenít leaking anything and even if they are, it doesnít matter.
It's not just Lombardi  
AcesUp : 3/17/2019 12:49 am : link
Jordan Ranaan and Diana Russini reported similar info the last few days. The Diana Russini report is the one that's most concerning. She's pretty much ubiquitous in ESPNs NFL programming and rolls up to a Giants employee and asks "So what do you guys think of Haskins?". And what looks like a sincere response is "He fucking stinks". Cmon! This isn't JonC or jtgiants on BigBlueInteractive.com. This is the chick that's literally on two ESPN channels at the same time talking about football every single day.

RE: RE: RE: No to Rosen and Haskins  
section125 : 3/17/2019 12:51 am : link
In comment 14342679 Giants38 said:
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Seriously, with the leaks and all this crap, is there any doubt this organization is the worst run in football? If JonC and JT can come one here and tell us exactly what is going on, something is fukadomed up. Donít get me wrong; I love the information and Iím happy they pass it along, but does it not strike anyone as odd that the Giants canít keep anything to themselves?


If the Giants have asshats, you don't think other teams have asshats?
Dumb and dumber around here sometimes.....
I wish  
Giantimistic : 3/17/2019 1:37 am : link
That if the Hiants really didnít want Hankins that they would be telling everyone that they did so that a team would jump in front of them to take him and push a better player to the Giants.

I hope it is different with Gettleman but teams always seemed to jump in front of Reese to take who we really wanted.
RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2019 6:31 am : link
In comment 14342659 JCin332 said:
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Out his career ?



What would happen if you won the Power Ball?



Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...

Not surprisingly your reading comprehension skills continue to be at the remedial elementary level.
Well, could be another December  
joeinpa : 3/17/2019 7:17 am : link
Watching Giants football knowing losses for draft position are better that wins.

Makes last yearís #1 pick even more puzzling
I will add  
joeinpa : 3/17/2019 7:28 am : link
If any of Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Haskins, proves to be the real deal, passing at 2 and again at 6 will be remembered as one of the worst moves in history of this franchise

Giants pass and yet they all get picked in top 10. Guess DG is smartest guy in the room.

RE: I will add  
Sean : 3/17/2019 7:40 am : link
In comment 14342879 joeinpa said:
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If any of Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Haskins, proves to be the real deal, passing at 2 and again at 6 will be remembered as one of the worst moves in history of this franchise

Giants pass and yet they all get picked in top 10. Guess DG is smartest guy in the room.


Not if the Giants get their guy next year (Tua, Fromm or Herbert). The issue I have is there will be a ton of competition league wide next year.
Quarterback, as usual, is not the problem with this team...  
the mike : 3/17/2019 8:22 am : link
Never has been, never will be... Need to draft best player available every pic in this draft... and forever thereafter... Drafting for need is outright stupidity. Our need for a quarterback does not make any of them good.

Best player available is predominantly defense this year. Which is exactly what this team desperately needs... And, oh by the way, the best way to change the culture of this team is to get back to being the best defense in the NFL. When the best players on this team are predominantly on defense, we will again be competing for championships.... Whether that be with Eli Manning, Kyler Murray or Jake Fromm. Or Case Keenum for that matter.

The thing that drives me nuts on this site is the daily incessant rantings and ravings about the need for a franchise quarterback... It is a false narrative driven by the irrational alchemy of falling in love with star players...

Since 1990, of the 29 "star" quarterbacks taken first in the draft, thirteen can be considered outright busts (44%); ten have been solid non-championship starters (35%), led by Andrew Luck, arguably the best of the first quarterbacks drafted in the super bowl era, who has never even won an AFC championship in his seven years; and exactly six (21%) have taken their teams to the super bowl. Four are 0-1(McNair, Newton, Ryan, Goff). One is 2-2. The other is 2-0. Hint: The only two winners both have the same last name...

Defense... Defense... Defense!!! In that order.


RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
ajr2456 : 3/17/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14342659 JCin332 said:
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Out his career ?



What would happen if you won the Power Ball?



Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...


Yes Iím rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sundayís are miserable. You got me.

Thereís a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. Weíve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.
RE: Quarterback, as usual, is not the problem with this team...  
ajr2456 : 3/17/2019 8:28 am : link
In comment 14342929 the mike said:
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Since 1990, of the 29 "star" quarterbacks taken first in the draft, thirteen can be considered outright busts (44%); ten have been solid non-championship starters (35%), led by Andrew Luck, arguably the best of the first quarterbacks drafted in the super bowl era, who has never even won an AFC championship in his seven years; and exactly six (21%) have taken their teams to the super bowl. Four are 0-1(McNair, Newton, Ryan, Goff). One is 2-2. The other is 2-0. Hint: The only two winners both have the same last name...

Defense... Defense... Defense!!! In that order.



Now do the bust percentage for every first round pick, I bet you get a similar number.
aj-  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2019 8:42 am : link
pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.

Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.
RE: RE: I will add  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2019 8:43 am : link
In comment 14342888 Sean said:
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If any of Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Haskins, proves to be the real deal, passing at 2 and again at 6 will be remembered as one of the worst moves in history of this franchise

Giants pass and yet they all get picked in top 10. Guess DG is smartest guy in the room.




Not if the Giants get their guy next year (Tua, Fromm or Herbert). The issue I have is there will be a ton of competition league wide next year.

Well in that scenario, we'll be halfway through Barkley's rookie contract by the time Eli's successor is even drafted, and would have to choose between extending Eli by a year, bringing in a placeholder QB, or opting to start a rookie QB right away despite Gettleman's stated admiration for what is now being commonly referred to as the Kansas City model.

It will also mean using the OBJ draft capital acquired this year on anything other than QB (thus starting the clock on those rookies' contracts), and very likely then having to use additional draft capital in the future to trade up for a QB.

I realize there are several ways to build a team successfully, but the problem as I see it with building the rest of the roster first and then getting your QB (aside from the obvious part of passing on QB prospects when you're in position to get one without trading up), is that most other positions don't have nearly the shelf life that a QB does, and many reach their peak more quickly than a QB might. So even though Barkley's great, we're squandering 2-3 years of his career on a transition era, and that's best case scenario where the next QB is both the right guy and has a fairly accelerated start to his career.

There are a lot of ways to build a team, but some methods seem to be a bit more synergistic than others. And sometimes it starts to at least be a possibility that a GM who has never had to find his own franchise QB might be a little too gunshy about doing it.
Mentioned above by a few...if the Giants don't see  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2019 8:50 am : link
a QB in this draft, then they absolutely should be flipping that second #1 pick this year for a few extra picks this year PLUS a #1 in 2020.

Use the two #1 picks next year to get up as far as we can to pick a QB in 2020.

If we finish 2019 bad enough and can draft a guy without tossing in the extra #1 pick, then all the better...
RE: aj-  
ajr2456 : 3/17/2019 9:00 am : link
In comment 14342948 Diver_Down said:
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pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.

Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.


From what Iíve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.

Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate.
Success rate - ( New Window )
RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
joeinpa : 3/17/2019 9:02 am : link
In comment 14342576 Diver_Down said:
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Out his career ?

He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.
RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Diver_Down : 3/17/2019 9:10 am : link
In comment 14342981 joeinpa said:
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Out his career ?

He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.



Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.

If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?
RE: RE: aj-  
Jimmy Googs : 3/17/2019 9:13 am : link
In comment 14342979 ajr2456 said:
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pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.

Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.



From what Iíve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.

Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate. Success rate - ( New Window )


Throw away the historical %s and hit rates. It doesn't matter at this point as we have to pick one in 2019 and/or 2020. End of story...
RE: RE: RE: aj-  
ajr2456 : 3/17/2019 9:56 am : link
In comment 14343001 Jimmy Googs said:
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pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.

Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.



From what Iíve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.

Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate. Success rate - ( New Window )



Throw away the historical %s and hit rates. It doesn't matter at this point as we have to pick one in 2019 and/or 2020. End of story...


Exactly my point. Posters saying QBs have x chance of busting so we should wait to take one are missing the point.

Every pick has a high chance of busting. You can try to guard against it as much as possible but there are too many variables.
bw in dc  
BigBlueCane : 3/17/2019 10:51 am : link
Outside of Clemson vs Alabama again, there's not a lot of stuff to look forward to in CFB these days.

Those are the two programs that matter at the end.
RE: JonC  
JonC : 3/17/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14342689 Go Terps said:
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Heard anything about Daniel Jones? If he's there at 17 it's easy to imagine him being the pick.


Nothing yet. I suspect #17 they go OT.
RE: RE: No to Rosen and Haskins  
JonC : 3/17/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14342762 bw in dc said:
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not so sure about Murray yet.



Why down on Rosen? Comp? Or they still have last yearís scouting report on their mind?


No new details on Rosen.
I read that this morning  
Carson53 : 3/17/2019 12:03 pm : link
at The Athletic, wouldn't surprise me if that's true.
This is based on how DG handled the draft last year.
I know I am not't excited for Haskins, and never felt they would take Murray. If Daniel Jones made it to Round 2,
I would take him. He probably won't though.
I would trade for Rosen, 3rd and 5th, mot a 2nd Rd. pick.
Arizona was worst than the Giants last year, and their
O Line was worst as well (hard to believe, but...)
He still is a very good pure passer.
I would like them to go ER and RT on first two picks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
JCin332 : 3/17/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14342932 ajr2456 said:
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What would happen if you won the Power Ball?



Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...



Yes Iím rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sundayís are miserable. You got me.

Thereís a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. Weíve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.



Well that makes 2 of us with season tickets so glad we both rooting for team success ..but from looking at your total body of work sometimes doesn't seem like it...
RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Carson53 : 3/17/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14342996 Diver_Down said:
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Out his career ?

He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.





Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.

If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?
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His completion % had a lot to do with being a
'checkdown Charlie' for a least the first half of the season, at one point he was over 70%.
His career high in yardage was back in 2011 I believe,
when about 5 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards,
Eli was just under that.
So numbers can be deceiving. With no OBJ around
to stretch the field, you will see even more of 'checkdown Charlie' this year, I would presume.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/17/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14343332 JCin332 said:
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What would happen if you won the Power Ball?



Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...



Yes Iím rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sundayís are miserable. You got me.

Thereís a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. Weíve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.




Well that makes 2 of us with season tickets so glad we both rooting for team success ..but from looking at your total body of work sometimes doesn't seem like it...

I know you're not great at understanding things, but it IS possible to be a loyal Giants fan while simultaneously being cautious about Eli being the right option going forward. Some people are able to separate appreciation for the past from skepticism about the future. It's not an indictment of your fellow Giants fans that they don't all share your enduring faith in #10.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 4:10 pm : link
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Out his career ?

He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it


He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.





Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.

If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?

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His completion % had a lot to do with being a
'checkdown Charlie' for a least the first half of the season, at one point he was over 70%.
His career high in yardage was back in 2011 I believe,
when about 5 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards,
Eli was just under that.
So numbers can be deceiving. With no OBJ around
to stretch the field, you will see even more of 'checkdown Charlie' this year, I would presume.


Checkdown was more due to OL than anything else. Pully at C, a green rookie at LG and the absolutely ineffective Omameh at RG. Eli had no chance when they started stunting the A gaps with those guys on the interior. Also the threat of a downfield passing game opened up the underneath a bit.
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