Former GM Mike Lombardi said in an article at The Athletic that numerous people have reported to him that the Giants are not in love with any of the 2019 QBs.
pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.
Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.
From what I’ve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.
Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate. Success rate - ( New Window )
Throw away the historical %s and hit rates. It doesn't matter at this point as we have to pick one in 2019 and/or 2020. End of story...
pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.
Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.
From what I’ve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.
Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate. Success rate - ( New Window )
Throw away the historical %s and hit rates. It doesn't matter at this point as we have to pick one in 2019 and/or 2020. End of story...
Exactly my point. Posters saying QBs have x chance of busting so we should wait to take one are missing the point.
Every pick has a high chance of busting. You can try to guard against it as much as possible but there are too many variables.
at The Athletic, wouldn't surprise me if that's true.
This is based on how DG handled the draft last year.
I know I am not't excited for Haskins, and never felt they would take Murray. If Daniel Jones made it to Round 2,
I would take him. He probably won't though.
I would trade for Rosen, 3rd and 5th, mot a 2nd Rd. pick.
Arizona was worst than the Giants last year, and their
O Line was worst as well (hard to believe, but...)
He still is a very good pure passer.
I would like them to go ER and RT on first two picks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close Â
Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...
Yes I’m rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sunday’s are miserable. You got me.
There’s a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. We’ve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.
Well that makes 2 of us with season tickets so glad we both rooting for team success ..but from looking at your total body of work sometimes doesn't seem like it...
RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close Â
He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it
He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.
Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.
If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?
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His completion % had a lot to do with being a
'checkdown Charlie' for a least the first half of the season, at one point he was over 70%.
His career high in yardage was back in 2011 I believe,
when about 5 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards,
Eli was just under that.
So numbers can be deceiving. With no OBJ around
to stretch the field, you will see even more of 'checkdown Charlie' this year, I would presume.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close Â
Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...
Yes I’m rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sunday’s are miserable. You got me.
There’s a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. We’ve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.
Well that makes 2 of us with season tickets so glad we both rooting for team success ..but from looking at your total body of work sometimes doesn't seem like it...
I know you're not great at understanding things, but it IS possible to be a loyal Giants fan while simultaneously being cautious about Eli being the right option going forward. Some people are able to separate appreciation for the past from skepticism about the future. It's not an indictment of your fellow Giants fans that they don't all share your enduring faith in #10.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: What would happen to the Sports media if Eli went on a run to close Â
He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it
He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.
Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.
If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?
.
His completion % had a lot to do with being a
'checkdown Charlie' for a least the first half of the season, at one point he was over 70%.
His career high in yardage was back in 2011 I believe,
when about 5 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards,
Eli was just under that.
So numbers can be deceiving. With no OBJ around
to stretch the field, you will see even more of 'checkdown Charlie' this year, I would presume.
Checkdown was more due to OL than anything else. Pully at C, a green rookie at LG and the absolutely ineffective Omameh at RG. Eli had no chance when they started stunting the A gaps with those guys on the interior. Also the threat of a downfield passing game opened up the underneath a bit.
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pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.
Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.
From what I’ve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.
Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate. Success rate - ( New Window )
Throw away the historical %s and hit rates. It doesn't matter at this point as we have to pick one in 2019 and/or 2020. End of story...
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pjacs has posted a chart in the past with success probability for each position in each round. Those that want to embrace analytics, it is revealing and perhaps disproves the theory of BPA in the later rounds. There are always outliers such as Tom Brady, but when looking at the chart, one could make the argument to never select a position after certain rounds.
Hopefully, PJ sees this comment and posts it again. Or it could be found in the archives under his handle.
From what I’ve read draft picks have a 53% success rate in the first round, but QBs have a 60% Success rate in the first.
Draft picks outside of the top 5 are succeeding at basically a 50-50 rate. Success rate - ( New Window )
Throw away the historical %s and hit rates. It doesn't matter at this point as we have to pick one in 2019 and/or 2020. End of story...
Exactly my point. Posters saying QBs have x chance of busting so we should wait to take one are missing the point.
Every pick has a high chance of busting. You can try to guard against it as much as possible but there are too many variables.
Those are the two programs that matter at the end.
Nothing yet. I suspect #17 they go OT.
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not so sure about Murray yet.
Why down on Rosen? Comp? Or they still have last year’s scouting report on their mind?
No new details on Rosen.
This is based on how DG handled the draft last year.
I know I am not't excited for Haskins, and never felt they would take Murray. If Daniel Jones made it to Round 2,
I would take him. He probably won't though.
I would trade for Rosen, 3rd and 5th, mot a 2nd Rd. pick.
Arizona was worst than the Giants last year, and their
O Line was worst as well (hard to believe, but...)
He still is a very good pure passer.
I would like them to go ER and RT on first two picks.
What would happen if you won the Power Ball?
Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...
Yes I’m rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sunday’s are miserable. You got me.
There’s a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. We’ve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.
Well that makes 2 of us with season tickets so glad we both rooting for team success ..but from looking at your total body of work sometimes doesn't seem like it...
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In comment 14342544 TommytheElephant said:
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Out his career ?
He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it
He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.
Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.
If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?
His completion % had a lot to do with being a
'checkdown Charlie' for a least the first half of the season, at one point he was over 70%.
His career high in yardage was back in 2011 I believe,
when about 5 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards,
Eli was just under that.
So numbers can be deceiving. With no OBJ around
to stretch the field, you will see even more of 'checkdown Charlie' this year, I would presume.
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What would happen if you won the Power Ball?
Not surprisingly you would be rooting against the possibility...
Yes I’m rooting against the Giants so my season tickets are worthless and my Sunday’s are miserable. You got me.
There’s a difference between being realistic about where this team is and rooting against them. We’ve been waiting 3 years for Eli to go on a run, the odds of that are getting slimmer.
Well that makes 2 of us with season tickets so glad we both rooting for team success ..but from looking at your total body of work sometimes doesn't seem like it...
I know you're not great at understanding things, but it IS possible to be a loyal Giants fan while simultaneously being cautious about Eli being the right option going forward. Some people are able to separate appreciation for the past from skepticism about the future. It's not an indictment of your fellow Giants fans that they don't all share your enduring faith in #10.
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In comment 14342981 joeinpa said:
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In comment 14342576 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14342544 TommytheElephant said:
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Out his career ?
He absolutely would get credit. You sound like you believe Eli and this offense accomplished something last season and are getting no credit for it
He still wouldn't get credit. The story lines would be that he got lucky (again). The defense carried the team. We played back-up QBs. Barkley is a beast and the only reason our offense is functional. Other teams were injured. Soft/weak schedule. Any reason other than giving Eli credit.
Was that in response to me? Can't tell with the messed up quoting.
If it was, then why doesn't Eli get credit for throwing a career high completion percentage? Everyone except for a few thinks he is trash. How is it possible at 37 behind a terrible OL that he sets career highs?
.
His completion % had a lot to do with being a
'checkdown Charlie' for a least the first half of the season, at one point he was over 70%.
His career high in yardage was back in 2011 I believe,
when about 5 QB's threw for over 5,000 yards,
Eli was just under that.
So numbers can be deceiving. With no OBJ around
to stretch the field, you will see even more of 'checkdown Charlie' this year, I would presume.
Checkdown was more due to OL than anything else. Pully at C, a green rookie at LG and the absolutely ineffective Omameh at RG. Eli had no chance when they started stunting the A gaps with those guys on the interior. Also the threat of a downfield passing game opened up the underneath a bit.