BBI fogies...what did you think of BB when he was here?

Never thought he would amount to much.

I think time has proved me right.

who also had a lot of talent to work with.

The combination was great to watch.

By the time the Giants won their second Supe it was obvious that little Bill was great defensive coordinator. I wanted him to be HC and even though Yonng didn’t think Belichick was HC material and has said he wouldn’t hire BB as HC I always held that against Parcells. Tuna had an enormous ego and I don’t think he ever wanted a Belichick to coach the Giants. Anyway, it was fairly obvious to me and my family of Giants fans that Belichick was going to be a good HC. And we were pissed when Belichick went to Ohio. We were surprised he flamed out in Cleveland but history has more accurately reflected that Hoodie did a good job there. Anyway, people loved him as a Giant. Players especially.

and both of us were pissed off when the Giants did not hire him.. or how that all played out with Cleveland, Parcells waiting to leave, etc

If you knew what you were watching back then, you saw Parcells as the head coach and senior motivator and BB was the mastermind behind that defense and the X's and O's

Defensive game plan in SB25 was utter brilliance in design and execution. That really cemented him as a great DC.

the owner did....

his DC tenure here. I rarely, if ever, heard a negative directed towards him

Great DC, great tandem with Parcells. That gameplan vs Buffalo in the Super Bowl is still a blue print for how to beat how powered offenses. Just ask Andre Reed.

I don't recall any negatives. I remember being shocked after Handley was hired that it was reported he would have been the choice even if BB had still been here. Everyone knew BB was going to be a HC in the NFL and just assumed he would take over if Parcells left.

That said, my memory is that coordinators didn't draw as much attention from fans and media in those days as they do now. It was kind of a sign that you were a hard-core fan if you knew who the DC and OC were.

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Lombardi, Landy and Lil Bill

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position he was coaching - at one time DBs, at another LBs - the position players he coached got much better. And as a DC he was tremendous.

and his SB 25 game plan was immediately recognized to be brilliant.

people were very upset that he didn't succeed Parcells.

We did struggle against Philly, SF and the Rams

were the adjustments he would make at halftime. Would usually take away what had been working for the opposing offense.

And I knew it before the 1990 run. But that run cemented him as the best in the business. N

That playoff run started against the Bears. That had Payton and not much else. My recollection is we played four and sometimes five man fronts and totally shut them down. The very next week we played our standard 3-4 against a great SF team and held them to 13 points. Then with only one week to prepare we played two and three man fronts against a loaded Buffalo offense and let them dink and dunk while our LBs just hit the shit out of them. The guy was a genius.


Really pissed when we let him get away but I did have doubts whether his personality would allow him to be a great head coach.

But I blame Parcells for us losing him. He stuck it to us by retiring in May and I always believed that was his way of getting back at young for looking to hire Schnellenberger after Parcells first year. Parcells was a great head coach but he always always used leverage everywhere he went when he had any success. Giants jets patriots cowboys etc.

They did a few articles on him. Perkins leaving most likely was one of the best things that could have happened. Parcels the ultimate motivator and Bill B who even then was a step ahead of everyone in terms of Xs and Os Got their shot.

Young’s ego cost us

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And I knew it before the 1990 run. But that run cemented him as the best in the business. N That playoff run started against the Bears. That had Payton and not much else. My recollection is we played four and sometimes five man fronts and totally shut them down. The very next week we played our standard 3-4 against a great SF team and held them to 13 points. Then with only one week to prepare we played two and three man fronts against a loaded Buffalo offense and let them dink and dunk while our LBs just hit the shit out of them. The guy was a genius. Really pissed when we let him get away but I did have doubts whether his personality would allow him to be a great head coach. But I blame Parcells for us losing him. He stuck it to us by retiring in May and I always believed that was his way of getting back at young for looking to hire Schnellenberger after Parcells first year. Parcells was a great head coach but he always always used leverage everywhere he went when he had any success. Giants jets patriots cowboys etc.

Ciggy, that Bears game is always the first one I think of as well. They came out in a 4-3 to stop the pretty much one dimensional Bears running game, one thing though, by this time it was Neal Anderson running, Payton had retired.

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You'd be in the minority with that opinion.

He built some great teams while he was here........

Not just a great X and O based DC because he got a tough group of characters to believe in him and execute. As you see today he was the law if you played for him. Even LT played for BB and Parcells.

LT on BB: "Bill Belichick is a pain in the ass -- a total pain in the ass. No smiling. Driest humor son-of-a-bitch you've ever seen. But that dog knows some football.

The one thing I can say about Belichick is on Sunday afternoon you want to be sitting right beside him. Any other day, you don't want to be near him. But Sunday afternoon, you want to be beside him because he knows what he's doing."

"Belichick talks glowingly about his "awesome" days with the Giants. "It was a great job," Belichick said. "It was awesome. I loved that job. I loved coaching the Giants defense. Being in New York, being a part of that great organization and those great players I had the opportunity to coach"

What I find interesting now is that BB has proven he can generate great game plans on both sides of the ball. A new fan, unaware of his work with the NYG defense might even regard him as primarily a offensive minded coach.

He was not perfect. Never really adjusted to Plan B free agency.


But please go back and look at the talent that he accumulated on those teams. He was a great talent evaluator. Had some great drafts. Found some absolute gems in the later rounds

No doubt the dumbest thing you’ve ever posted. For all his later faults, he built the foundation of the team. He created an organization that won the 4 SBs and thrived up until some horrible personnel choices by Reese and some insanely bad luck. Before Young came on the scene, this was a laughingstock franchise way worse,in my opinion, than what we have experienced recently. I don’t defend Young’s free agency record but the fact remains, he had as much to do with the Giants becoming relevant as anybody. Could not disagree with you more

with Parcells. BB came up with the schemes Parcells convinced the players to make it work. BB's personality was worse then than it is now. It was one of the reasons Young didn't tab him for HC. He never felt BB would be able to handle the NY media etc.

If it wasn’t for the egos of both Young and Parcells he should have been the next Giants Head Coach.

Parcells larger than life and LT. NFL coverage did not drill down that deep - coordinators were mentioned as an afterthought.

I started paying attention after the Super Bowl in 90. That was an incredibly talented offense and BB came up with a master plan. BB's gameplan kept coming up during interviews with Bills'players.

although his ego cost the Giants Reggie White. Parcells, Belichick, LT and Reggie White? There would have been no 49ers after 1994 if that had happened.

In the 90's he was not very good to say the least. It's kept him out of the HOF.

I gave him a lot of the credit for the Super Bowl XXV win.

...and as such was a fan favorite to succeed Tuna. Tuna double screwed the team, leaving AFTER BB went to Cleveland, leaving us with Ray Handley.

NYG franchise let Belichek, Lombardi, Landry and Sean Peyton walk.

Ow.

other than a very good defensive coordinator that was blessed with exceptional talent. I didn't think he got a fair shake in Cleveland, but didn't see genius. In fact, until things prove differently, I still consider Cleveland the arm pit of the NFL. They can and do turn greatness into crap (watch out OBJ)...