What the KC model really is.

And not reach for a qb just because, but identify one you think is the answer and then use assets to go and get him.

having a young guy sitting behind a vet and then transitioning.

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The Kansas City model worked really well,” Gettleman said, via NJ.com. “You can cite a number of models where they had a veteran guy and they drafted a young guy. At some point in time, the torch got passed and away everyone went. And it was a happy away, everyone went.”

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Especially when Gettleman said he'd be very fortunate to be able to do what Ernie Acorsi did. It makes sense. However, they had Alex Smith who wasn't 38 years old. They weren't desperate for a QB. If they didn't get Mahomes they still would have been fine. If we wait until next year we could be left with our thumb up our ass.

Don't assume that what happened was intended to happen, or that it was the product of some brilliantly thought out master plan. That's called the fallacy of retrospection.

Andy Reid loved Mahomes and was going to find a way to get him, no matter what kind of team he had, good or bad.

There is no "Kansas City Plan." The Chiefs didn't take Mahomes because he plays quarterback. They took a quarterback because Mahomes was there. If Mahomes hadn't been in that draft the Chiefs would've stayed where they were and drafted a player at a different position.

In comment 14342763 AndyB said:

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Don't assume that what happened was intended to happen, or that it was the product of some brilliantly thought out master plan. That's called the fallacy of retrospection. Andy Reid loved Mahomes and was going to find a way to get him, no matter what kind of team he had, good or bad. There is no "Kansas City Plan." The Chiefs didn't take Mahomes because he plays quarterback. They took a quarterback because Mahomes was there. If Mahomes hadn't been in that draft the Chiefs would've stayed where they were and drafted a player at a different position.

That's the point. They found their guy and went and got him. If they didn't like a qb in that draft they would have stayed where they were and continued to improve their team. You don't settle on a qb. When one comes along that you love, spend whatever you need to to get him.

so they weren't desperate for a new QB.

The Giants are currently shit.

Not the same thing.

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having a young guy sitting behind a vet and then transitioning. Quote: The Kansas City model worked really well,” Gettleman said, via NJ.com. “You can cite a number of models where they had a veteran guy and they drafted a young guy. At some point in time, the torch got passed and away everyone went. And it was a happy away, everyone went.” Link - ( New Window )

Yeah, trying to stretch this past meaning keeping your vet QB even after you draft the future is just that, a stretch.

Before the put Zach in. Who had a very good start. Who has a great RB.

For us, being in the nfc east, both lines must be greater than average, far greater, for success. We've never done much without having great lines on both sides.

So it's that ++.

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having a young guy sitting behind a vet and then transitioning. Quote: The Kansas City model worked really well,” Gettleman said, via NJ.com. “You can cite a number of models where they had a veteran guy and they drafted a young guy. At some point in time, the torch got passed and away everyone went. And it was a happy away, everyone went.” Link - ( New Window )

This quote also shows that how they handle Elis exit sits heary in their minds.

The Giants referencing the KC model is extremely arrogant & off base. The KC model would be if the Saints, Steelers or Chargers were to trade up for a young QB despite having a QB playing at a high level & coming off a winning season.

The Giants were rumored to be intrigued by Mahomes in 2017 - that was the time to do it. Now, everyone knows they need a QB. Not the KC model at all.

And smith

Keep in mind:

Whereas LT played lb in a 3/4. He player at (248?lbs?) In an era when O tackles weighed 280 lbs.

So, when "edge rushing", the aspect of his power, that part of his game, was much closer than we may imagine, when compared to an OLB roster "edge" at a similar weight today, who faces players that are 320lbs.

So "building the line", in the case of D fronts, is a different sort of puzzle.

"4/3 able DEs" (who might be larger yet athletic OLBs as well) have increased value, not only vs an older version of the league, but also vs today's college rosters.

letting good Strong Safeties walk without getting compensation and signing top Wide Receivers only to trade them and eat their bonus monies.

that's quite a model...

In Stardust Memories, Woody Allen is reflecting on his life and meets an alien. He asks him what he could have done differently. The alien replies: "Tell funnier jokes!"

Here's the plan: sign better talent. Build it from the inside out. That's basically what Gettleman is trying to do. Reese's late drafts were not good. I always said it will take three drafts to turn it around. Let's not forget how horrendous the offensive line was the first half of last season.

(who might be called a DT right now in your draft books)...and whereas we might move Wynn to OLB, both those positions are at a premium., So nothing is 'set' yet.

If any defensive player weighs less than 260, they have to have some sort of pass defending ability (as differentiated from pass rush only).

Otherwise, when, only, rushing the passer, when, only, run defending, they might be liable to 320lb OLsmens blocking due to less heft. And not being able to defend the pass, coach isn't able to deploy full system.

DG was just referencing having a rookie sit behind a veteran. Clearly, if they don’t see any of this year’s crop worth it, they will have to go a different route or re sign Eli for 2020. THAT can’t happen under any circumstances. Let him play this year go out with dignity- fine. But anything more severely stunts the growth of this team and will use up most of Barkley’s first contract. Can’t happen.
As far as the reports about the Giants not liking any QB this year, I would bet that refers to taking one at 6. Hypothetically speaking, if Drew Lock was available at 17 or better yet 37, I would think they might go there. He has the arm and mobility that Shurmur wants and the risk at that point is minimized.