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Manny in CA : 3/16/2019 11:47 pm

I tried to put together an understandable comparison of what four popular draft boards say who they are. Unfortunately, I couldn't format the style and it ended up very confusing.

Not that these guys are any smarter, but it's interesting to see what they think. The following are their web addresses ...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

https://walterfootball.com/nfldraftbigboard

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-prospects-big-board-of-top-100-players/11reeksv3zeht1nxouj5psd3s2

http://www.drafttek.com/Top-100-NFL-Draft-Prospects-2019.asp

The conclusion that I gathered is that there are four tiers (in the top twenty):

Tier #1 - Bosa
Tier #2 - Q. Williams & J. Allen
Tier #3 - E. Oliver, D.White, M. Sweat
Tier #4 - J. .Williams, G. Williams, D. Haskins, D. Metcalf and J. Taylor

I collected cumulative rank numbers, which fit a normal bell curve, but I think it's a bit over-kill

If the boards have any validity, this seems to point a trade-down might be something to think about - #6 overall for a Tier four player at @10.

Hopefully this guy - Jawaan Taylor ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzQ2IdJK22A

Taylor reminds me a lot of Will Hernandez (top 10 to mid 1st round), just needs good pro coaching.






Kyler Murray  
Marty866b : 3/16/2019 11:51 pm : link
Not in the top 10?
No Murray  
CT Charlie : 3/16/2019 11:51 pm : link
?
I agree...  
bw in dc : 3/16/2019 11:54 pm : link
Murray, even with the height concerns, is better than Haskins. I donít think itís even close.

But I wouldnít put any QB in the top ten.

Metcalf is a top ten physical specimen, but not a top ten prospect.
I know, I know ....  
Manny in CA : 3/16/2019 11:56 pm : link

Murray will be #1, usually not all four of these boards are this wrong. I don't know what to say !
I get it bw, but ...  
Manny in CA : 3/17/2019 12:01 am : link

Is Metcalf this year's JPP ? - Scary physical specimen but not an outstanding college resume'
RE: I get it bw, but ...  
Anakim : 3/17/2019 12:03 am : link
In comment 14342780 Manny in CA said:
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Is Metcalf this year's JPP ? - Scary physical specimen but not an outstanding college resume'


I mean JPP only played one year of college football...and he still did pretty well
Mine:  
Anakim : 3/17/2019 12:04 am : link
1.
Quinnen Williams
IDL

Alabama

2.
Nick Bosa
EDGE

Ohio State

3.
Josh Allen
EDGE

Kentucky

4.
Devin White
LB

LSU

5.
Ed Oliver
IDL

Houston

6.
Brian Burns
EDGE

Florida State

7.
Jeffery Simmons
IDL

Mississippi State

8.
Rashan Gary
EDGE

Michigan

9.
Christian Wilkins
IDL

Clemson

10.
Montez Sweat
EDGE

Mississippi State
RE: I get it bw, but ...  
bw in dc : 3/17/2019 12:08 am : link
In comment 14342780 Manny in CA said:
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Is Metcalf this year's JPP ? - Scary physical specimen but not an outstanding college resume'


Have you read about Metcalfís route running abilities? Basically, the only route he can run with any ďskillĒ is the 9 route. And all that is is a straight fly pattern.
If the boards have any validity  
myquealer : 3/17/2019 12:09 am : link
don't they point to staying put and getting a tier 3 player, assuming Murray goes before #6?
JPP College stats ...  
Manny in CA : 3/17/2019 12:09 am : link

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jason-pierre-paul-1.html

45 tackles, 6.5 sacks. He just looked like Superman and could contort his body like nobody else - that's what the Giants saw.
Anakim...  
bw in dc : 3/17/2019 12:14 am : link
Burns is a fast riser. And I think youíve been on him for a long time.

Well, Anakim ..  
Manny in CA : 3/17/2019 12:18 am : link

Looks like you mostly agree with the board (you don't mention Murray). I'm thinking the Giants may be agreeing - they're not in-love with the QBs, either.
Proves that there is way too much talent on defense and in the  
SterlingArcher : 3/17/2019 12:20 am : link
oline to think about drafting a qb.
No issue with us going defense  
eric2425ny : 3/17/2019 12:34 am : link
with both picks in the first round this year. We need an infusion of talent on that side of the ball. I know a lot of people want us to address QB, but you have to focus on the strength of the draft.
Every listing I have seen has zero (no) QB's in its top 10  
PatersonPlank : 3/17/2019 12:36 am : link
Usually there are only 2 in the top 20
RE: If the boards have any validity  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/17/2019 1:19 am : link
In comment 14342788 myquealer said:
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don't they point to staying put and getting a tier 3 player, assuming Murray goes before #6?


This post nails it. Furthermore, I doubt Bosa really justifies a separate tier from Q. Williams or Allen. Which means that your tier 3 is really tier 2, and at 6 the Giants should happily stay put and select a tier 2 defensive player, rather than trade down.
Boss is most definitely not  
tyrik13 : 3/17/2019 5:13 am : link
On a tier by himself: tier 1: Bosa, Allen, Q. Williams and I would even argue Devin White
OP tier four may be generous to the players  
idiotsavant : 3/17/2019 5:47 am : link
In the tier.

Basically piling in names one thinks or expects of hopes to be almost as good, but who knows, due to bias towards offense or hopes and expectations.

Caveat emptor.
Our plan would be to have two from the top  
idiotsavant : 3/17/2019 5:51 am : link
3 tiers using #6 and #17, and taking advantage of displacement due to other teams desire for offensive players.

As opposed to trading down, getting none from top 3 tiers, in order to justify drafting offense early.
Mine  
GoDeep13 : 3/17/2019 6:19 am : link
1. Quinnen Williams DT Alabama
2. Josh Allen EDGE Kentucky
3. Nick Bosa EDGE Ohio St.
4. Kyler Murray QB Oklahoma
5. Christian Wilkins DL Clemson
7. Jonah Williams OT Alabama
8. Montez Sweat EDGE
9. Ed Oliver DL Houston
10. Brian Burns FSU
RE: If the boards have any validity  
flycatcher : 3/17/2019 7:34 am : link
In comment 14342788 myquealer said:
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don't they point to staying put and getting a tier 3 player, assuming Murray goes before #6?

Top-tier guys are often available at #6. Recently this exact scenario happened to the jets twice (Jamal Adams, Leonard Williams), and last year Quentin Nelson to Indy.
Agree with your first 7  
jeff57 : 3/17/2019 7:40 am : link
But then I would have Hockenson, Gary and Burns.
RE: Our plan would be to have two from the top  
markky : 3/17/2019 7:43 am : link
In comment 14342848 idiotsavant said:
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3 tiers using #6 and #17, and taking advantage of displacement due to other teams desire for offensive players.

As opposed to trading down, getting none from top 3 tiers, in order to justify drafting offense early.


i'd be ecstatic with this.
It's doable since  
idiotsavant : 3/17/2019 7:54 am : link
So many teams really believe that they need the QB, or wr. Or if, say Oliver doesn't fit their system. Or if they have a lb ranked lower. Or don't need one right now. Or if any if the DTs get overlooked due to excess supply.
If the Giants son't mind stacking picks on the DL,  
BlueLou'sBack : 3/17/2019 8:14 am : link
they might land 3 players all on the 2nd tier, according to about 10 mock drafts I've played on The Draft Network's mock draft machine...

How? By taking Sweat at 6, then catching Oliver slide to 17, and then grabbing Jeffery Simmons - who will be IRed almost surely for all of 2019 at 37.

You wanna turn this team around on D and are willing to wait until 2020 to see the full effect?

Draft those 3 dudes at 6, 17, and 37 if they are available at those slots.
Metcalf Top 10 ??  
BigBluDawg : 3/17/2019 8:15 am : link
I just donít see it with him. He reminds me of Stephen Hill a few years ago, blows up the combine and everyone is begging for the giants to draft him. He gets in league and does nothing because he was a workout warrior not a football player.
Whereas  
idiotsavant : 3/17/2019 8:23 am : link
I haven't looked at players this season, and probably would name different individual players (although Oliver at 17 might be a home run), it's what blue Lou said.

You vacuum up the supply.

Oliver
Bush
Wilkins or best DT over 320lbs

Allen
Oliver or Bush or White
Laurence or whomever it is. The big.

DL isn't one position. It's at least 3 distinct types.

The 4/3 DE/OLB, the NT, The interior rush unicorn
4 types if you include the generalist  
idiotsavant : 3/17/2019 8:26 am : link
Who has some NT chops and some quicks. Like Hill.

4 types if you include the 'too tall bigs' (clog passing lanes and wreck shit within a one gap but at 350lbs)
RE: Anakim...  
Anakim : 3/17/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14342794 bw in dc said:
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Burns is a fast riser. And I think youíve been on him for a long time.


I saw him terrorize my Hurricanes. Believe he had a couple of sacks, a strip sack, some batted down passes...He wrecked havoc on our offense.
I had a dream last night, for real  
X : 3/17/2019 8:41 am : link
and the draft was on and Giants drafted Kyler Murray at #6
RE: I had a dream last night, for real  
BillT : 3/17/2019 8:48 am : link
In comment 14342947 X said:
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and the draft was on and Giants drafted Kyler Murray at #6

I saw a very detailed mock that said this. Hard to see Oakland pass on him but itís possible. DG would have to have nerves of steel to sit and wait for Murray to fall to him.
If they donít screw up  
Dave on the UWS : 3/17/2019 11:42 am : link
They should get 2 VERY good players at 6 and 17. I would like to see someone do this exercise for the Top 20 players (I donít have the patience to do it).
Dave, I did the top 20 ...  
Manny in CA : 3/17/2019 4:27 pm : link


1, 2, 1, 1, Nick Bosa EDGE 5
2 1 3 5 Quinnen Williams DL 11
3 4 2 2 Josh Allen EDGE 11
4 10 9 4 Ed Oliver DL 27
5 3 10 11 Devin White LB 29
6 18 8 6 Clelin Ferrell EDGE 38
7 5 4 18 Rashan Gary DL 34
8 N/R 19 12 Jonah Williams. OL 51
9 20 11 8 Greedy Williams CB 48
10 N/R 14 10 Dwayne Haskins QB 54
11 6 5 3 Montez Sweat EDGE 25
12 16 17 20 Christian Wilkins DL 65
13 9 16 N/R Deandre Baker CB 58
14 13 N/R 19 Jachai Polite EDGE 66
15 N/R N/R 13 Byron Murphy CB 68
16 N/R 6 14 D.K. Metcalf WR 56
17 15 N/R 15 Josh Jacobs RB 77
18 8 N/R N/R Jeffery Simmons DL 66
19 7 12 9 Jawaan Taylor OL 48
20 N/R 7 N/R T.J. Hockenson TE 67
The format is horrible, apologies ...  
Manny in CA : 3/17/2019 4:31 pm : link

The numbers are as follows: CBS, Walter football, Sporting News

Followed by Name of player, Position and Cum Score (lowest numbers being the best). I added the numbers in my head (please forgive math errors)
The last number ...  
Manny in CA : 3/17/2019 4:34 pm : link

Is from Draft TEK. I agree, Bosa is not by himself. I don't see him as a "gold jacket" guy.
The more I see top 10 the more I see how lame this draft is  
Foobarbaz : 3/17/2019 6:40 pm : link
Id say give one of our 1st to Cards but I think Giants already tried and Cards aint trading yet. Its because they are ether going for a pass rusher or they ratjher get picks for next season. If they trade Rosen now then everyone knows who they want, instead they holding out. Rosen was my favorite QB last draft and hell id give both our first for him, QB prob solved!
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