It's not even speculation. It's just being thrown against the wall for discussion... Does anyone think this is even a remote possibility? Would you rather keep Shepard and pay him next year? What say you? See below:
With the Giants trading Beckham, and then signing Tate to a four-year, $37 million deal, it sparks a question as to their future plans with receiver Sterling Shepard, who enters the final year of his contract. Shepard is a Patriots-type receiver. Perhaps the Patriots could entice the Giants with a second-round draft pick, and then take the money they were going to invest in Humphries and direct it to a Shepard extension one year before he hits the market. Just thinking out loud on a potential win-win-win scenario for the two teams and player involved.
Also, when you hear Gettleman and Shurmur talk about the types of players they want to build the culture around, Shepard fits that to a T. Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. Like it or not, this is what Gettleman is looking for from a player. Shepard stays, they have more than enough cap to extend him next year and keep him.
thinking you'll get a second, or, gasp, more, is an unrealistic expectation. Not quite as bad as thinking we'd get a couple of firsts and a couple of 2nd/3rd's for OBJ, but still up there.
Have to keep in mind that a Pat's second is the end of the round. A 2nd for Shep is too high in general. I think a third would be the expected.
I really like Shep's willingness to block. He's very good at it and seems to enjoy it. I don't see DG paying market rate for Shep. If someone wants to give a 2nd (Pats) or a 3rd (everyone else), then do it. If not hold on to him and try and trade him before the deadline.
I think Engram is our best trade asset. He doesn't fit DG's vision and philosophy in building a roster. His best attribute is receiving and he has too many drops. With 2 years left on his rookie deal, some other team would be more likely to give up a 2nd and tap into his potential. If we could package Engram with our 2nd, we could trade up into the bottom of the first and leverage the 5th year option on pick.
In essence, trading a 4th for a year of Shepard and a 3rd.
No chance IMO they trade a 2nd for him.
If they do offer that though, I'd arrange for the uber to pick him up at the airport (if I could somehow get it on one of my corporate expense reports).
Also, when you hear Gettleman and Shurmur talk about the types of players they want to build the culture around, Shepard fits that to a T. Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. Like it or not, this is what Gettleman is looking for from a player. Shepard stays, they have more than enough cap to extend him next year and keep him.
You have to keep in mind that DG is trying to change the culture. Shep was OBJ's mini-me. It was Shep that was punching the bench and tossing a trash can on the sidelines last season. OBJ's cancer might have already spread. DG is trying to cut it out.
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We’re thin on WR core as is, and trading him would mean we’d definitely have to use a high rd pick on a WR.
Also, when you hear Gettleman and Shurmur talk about the types of players they want to build the culture around, Shepard fits that to a T. Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. Like it or not, this is what Gettleman is looking for from a player. Shepard stays, they have more than enough cap to extend him next year and keep him.
You have to keep in mind that DG is trying to change the culture. Shep was OBJ's mini-me. It was Shep that was punching the bench and tossing a trash can on the sidelines last season. OBJ's cancer might have already spread. DG is trying to cut it out.
Never saw or heard that. What I did see was SS crushing blocks at the LoS and down field.
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We’re thin on WR core as is, and trading him would mean we’d definitely have to use a high rd pick on a WR.
Also, when you hear Gettleman and Shurmur talk about the types of players they want to build the culture around, Shepard fits that to a T. Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. Like it or not, this is what Gettleman is looking for from a player. Shepard stays, they have more than enough cap to extend him next year and keep him.
You have to keep in mind that DG is trying to change the culture. Shep was OBJ's mini-me. It was Shep that was punching the bench and tossing a trash can on the sidelines last season. OBJ's cancer might have already spread. DG is trying to cut it out.
Never saw or heard that. What I did see was SS crushing blocks at the LoS and down field.
Mentioned in DefenderDawg's Sunday Reading -
Shep processes the OBJ Trade - ( New Window )
that would essentially eliminate the Reese/Ross era
So if you can get a 2nd Round pick for Shepard in a WR rich draft - that a definite yes because you are essentially trading him for the potential of extending an equal or better coat controlled asset
I like Shep -- but he is replacable
It's far, far better than paying him over 10M per year.
Tate doesn't make it so that we have to deal him - but he makes it much easier to do so and put the draft capital towards a younger, cheaper player who better fits what this team needs.
But still doubt it.
This would be incredibly gross mismanagement.
What I mean by this is, at the time, before Tate, we had Jawill Davis, Quadree Henderson, and Alonzo Russell, so if we trade Shepard, it would be Tate and those three guys.
There's a reason why I liked the Golden Tate signing.
Lastly - NEVER, EVER help the stinkin Pats. BB is no idiot and if he offered a 2nd for Shep, he would do so because it would be bending the Giants over.
Wedding - ( New Window )
I think DAG just wants to get rid of every remaining player from the Reese era. By my count we are down to: Shepard; Engram; Tomlinson; Ellison; Jenkins; Wheeler; Goodson.
The only guy from that group that will stay is Ellison because of his ties to Shurmur in Minn. Shepard will be the first to go. Engram and Jenkins will go soon after. My bet is we are interested in a TE at 17 if a guy like Daniel Jones is gone. Hockenson fits well, and they can roll him out in 2 TE sets with Ellison.
Basically, I would not expect either Engram or Shepard to be on this team ivy draft time. No Asshat info for me. Just a hunch.
it's really simple with shep. you extend him before the season to a contract i don't believe he will be worth as i don't think he's anything special or you trade him before the season to maximize the return, whatever that return is.
The only guy from that group that will stay is Ellison because of his ties to Shurmur in Minn. Shepard will be the first to go. Engram and Jenkins will go soon after. My bet is we are interested in a TE at 17 if a guy like Daniel Jones is gone. Hockenson fits well, and they can roll him out in 2 TE sets with Ellison.
Moving on from your good players and keeping Ellison of all people would fly against the idea of winning while rebuilding.
If the TE depth chart remains static after the draft, then Ellison could easily be released for the cap savings. His 25 reception for 250 yards and 1 TD (average over the past 2 years) can easily be replaced.
If the TE depth chart remains static after the draft, then Ellison could easily be released for the cap savings. His 25 reception for 250 yards and 1 TD (average over the past 2 years) can easily be replaced.
Agreed, I think he gets cut at some point, even if we don’t draft a tight end. You can find someone to do what he does for a lot less.
In addition to your point is that people should not expect Shep to factor into any comp. pick calculation. With an est. $100M in cap space for 2020, any free agents signed will cancel out the loss of Shep. So if he is not a part of the team's future with an extension, then get what you can for him now.
Giants have Tate now and have too many wholes to give Shep 10+ mill per year. So make the trade if you can get a late 2nd or early 3rd
Especially this draft.
The Patriots 2nd round pick is like a 3rd.
The key is building a team, but not just building a team for 2019. Shepard is unlikely to be in the teams long term plans. What is more valuable to the next 5 years of the franchise, one year of Shepard or 4 years of a 2nd or 3rd round pick? If Shepard was under contract it's a different ballgame. But if he's likely to be out of here after this season there's little reason to keep him.
The potential of a comp pick shouldn't factor into the equation. With $100M in cap space next year, we will likely sign more players that will cancel out what Shep will sign for.
I'm not saying we should settle and trade him for any late round pick. Despite the insinuation that OBJ might have infected other players and those players are likely gone, Shep still has value as a receiver and blocking skills for the final year.
Completely agree with this. The Giants job is to make sure they can predict what it’s going to take to resign him now and if that number is in the 9-10 million dollar range then you trade him. Exactly what should have been done when evaluating Landon Collins. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes.
It is laughable to think we will get a second or third for Shephard. He's a 26 year old slot receiver with a decent resume, but nothing that screams a real riser.
If you can get a 4th or 5th, take it in NY minute.
Or move up from 17 to get our LB
Another "gift" from the Reese/Ross team.
It's far, far better than paying him over 10M per year.
Tate doesn't make it so that we have to deal him - but he makes it much easier to do so and put the draft capital towards a younger, cheaper player who better fits what this team needs.
I agree with this. Although, NE is the worst 2 you can get.
Agreed, but the Patriots would never offer that pick.
Think long term
It is laughable to think we will get a second or third for Shephard. He's a 26 year old slot receiver with a decent resume, but nothing that screams a real riser.
If you can get a 4th or 5th, take it in NY minute.
Wouldn’t you get that with a comp pick and a year of service? Not seeing the logic unless we don’t get any sort of comp with him leaving via FA
I say keep him, give him a year to prove himself. We will have $100 million in cap space next year. We have the means to keep him if he proves himself, sans Beckham.
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I'd pull the trigger maybe even for a 3rd. I think he is grossly underrated on BBI. But I cannot see BB sending a 2nd for Shepard....
The Patriots 2nd round pick is like a 3rd.
No, it's like a 2nd. Because it's a 2nd.
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If someone offers a 2 for Shep, you take it and run.
It's far, far better than paying him over 10M per year.
Tate doesn't make it so that we have to deal him - but he makes it much easier to do so and put the draft capital towards a younger, cheaper player who better fits what this team needs.
I agree with this. Although, NE is the worst 2 you can get.
I'd still take it - but I'd be stunned if they were actually offering it.
We have to remember that Shep is in the final year of his rookie deal now. So, something like a 2 or 3 would be very good compensation in a trade if we're going to let him walk. I wouldn't be able to turn that down.
If the best we can do is a 4, I'm not opposed to hanging onto him this year.
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If someone offers a 2 for Shep, you take it and run.
It's far, far better than paying him over 10M per year.
Tate doesn't make it so that we have to deal him - but he makes it much easier to do so and put the draft capital towards a younger, cheaper player who better fits what this team needs.
I agree with this. Although, NE is the worst 2 you can get.
I'd still take it - but I'd be stunned if they were actually offering it.
We have to remember that Shep is in the final year of his rookie deal now. So, something like a 2 or 3 would be very good compensation in a trade if we're going to let him walk. I wouldn't be able to turn that down.
If the best we can do is a 4, I'm not opposed to hanging onto him this year.
If they're letting him walk, they likely won't get a comp pick for him, since they'll have so much money off the books, we'll likely be able to spend big in FA. So no comp picks. So, as long as you're willing to let him walk for nothing.
I hope they're willing to re-sign Shep. But a trade seems more likely.
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with good coaching, which I don't feel good about with this crew, SS could work with Tate. Good coaching always figures out how to properly deploy and optimize their talent. But, again, this is Shurmur we're talking about...
It is laughable to think we will get a second or third for Shephard. He's a 26 year old slot receiver with a decent resume, but nothing that screams a real riser.
If you can get a 4th or 5th, take it in NY minute.
Wouldn’t you get that with a comp pick and a year of service? Not seeing the logic unless we don’t get any sort of comp with him leaving via FA
I'm not sure...so...bird in hand?
Look, I'm okay keeping SS. I actually like him. And, as mentioned, think good coaching could effectively deploy an offense with both SS and Tate. But that depends on Shurmur.
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If someone offers a 2 for Shep, you take it and run.
It's far, far better than paying him over 10M per year.
Tate doesn't make it so that we have to deal him - but he makes it much easier to do so and put the draft capital towards a younger, cheaper player who better fits what this team needs.
I agree with this. Although, NE is the worst 2 you can get.
I'd still take it - but I'd be stunned if they were actually offering it.
We have to remember that Shep is in the final year of his rookie deal now. So, something like a 2 or 3 would be very good compensation in a trade if we're going to let him walk. I wouldn't be able to turn that down.
If the best we can do is a 4, I'm not opposed to hanging onto him this year.
If they're letting him walk, they likely won't get a comp pick for him, since they'll have so much money off the books, we'll likely be able to spend big in FA. So no comp picks. So, as long as you're willing to let him walk for nothing.
I hope they're willing to re-sign Shep. But a trade seems more likely.
I agree that a comp pick probably isn't in the cards given the cap space they'll have and what they'll probably want to do to give a young QB additional help.
So, for me, ideally you trade him this year to recoup a solid asset, put the pick in your back pocket and add it to the pile. WR will be on the map as far as needs to and we'll have the draft capital to address it.
What the Giants really need is a guy with some size who can play outside the hashes and be a RZ target.
Engram does provide some flexibility as a pass catcher you can split wide and we have the more traditional TE's on the roster to deploy him that way.
But, I think Tate makes Shepard more expendable even though I am of the belief that it can work with both guys here.
I'd ideally like to build a more balanced WR group that can challenge teams at all levels. That's what we had with Nicks/Cruz/Manningham and for a short time, Plax/Toomer/Smith. Guys who compliment each other and bring different things to the fold.
To me, it's just an opportunity to re-mold the WR corps in a way that makes more sense + get younger and cheaper.
I am a fan of Shepard - I like his game. But for a 3rd round pick, I am having no hesitation about moving him.
On the same token - I'm not going to just give him away for crap if there's not a market. That's not any smarter.