ESPN Blog from Boston on Shepard to Pats for a 2nd...

That’s a tough one. I like Shepard but do think he’s a bit overrated. Great run blocker from the receiver position. I’d probably do it for a 2nd and a conditional pick in 2020 based on whether he resigns

a second for SS would be too high a pick for him. Of course, I’d love to be wrong

A second for Shep is great value. Get it done.

if anything he’s the opposite. Like many players I feel this offense has held him back, he’d do better elsewhere. Should be a slot guy full time, excellent blocker and great work ethic. He’d do great in NE.

We’re thin on WR core as is, and trading him would mean we’d definitely have to use a high rd pick on a WR.

Also, when you hear Gettleman and Shurmur talk about the types of players they want to build the culture around, Shepard fits that to a T. Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. Like it or not, this is what Gettleman is looking for from a player. Shepard stays, they have more than enough cap to extend him next year and keep him.

I remember reading that NE was in on Tate. Shepherd is a good fit for New England.

Absolutely. You could grab a starting number one WR with that pick. And let’s be honest as a receiver he’s 2/3. So a two is absolutely worth it.

I'd be putting pen to paper so fast it'd break the sound barrier.

thinking you'll get a second, or, gasp, more, is an unrealistic expectation. Not quite as bad as thinking we'd get a couple of firsts and a couple of 2nd/3rd's for OBJ, but still up there.

so I’d take the Patriots 2nd round pick in a heartbeat!

Problem is, no way would BB offer a second for him....What did he get Moss for?

In comment 14342966 Big Blue '56 said:

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a second for SS would be too high a pick for him. Of course, I’d love to be wrong

Have to keep in mind that a Pat's second is the end of the round. A 2nd for Shep is too high in general. I think a third would be the expected.

I really like Shep's willingness to block. He's very good at it and seems to enjoy it. I don't see DG paying market rate for Shep. If someone wants to give a 2nd (Pats) or a 3rd (everyone else), then do it. If not hold on to him and try and trade him before the deadline.

I think Engram is our best trade asset. He doesn't fit DG's vision and philosophy in building a roster. His best attribute is receiving and he has too many drops. With 2 years left on his rookie deal, some other team would be more likely to give up a 2nd and tap into his potential. If we could package Engram with our 2nd, we could trade up into the bottom of the first and leverage the 5th year option on pick.

would absolutely trade for Shepard, but their MO would be to trade a 4th for him, use him for this year, with a title or come close, let him walk in FA, and get a 3rd round comp pick for him.

In essence, trading a 4th for a year of Shepard and a 3rd.

No chance IMO they trade a 2nd for him.

If they do offer that though, I'd arrange for the uber to pick him up at the airport (if I could somehow get it on one of my corporate expense reports).

But 4 picks in the first 2 rounds would be a great opportunity to build up the pipeline.

I'd pull the trigger maybe even for a 3rd. I think he is grossly underrated on BBI. But I cannot see BB sending a 2nd for Shepard....

In comment 14342975 Biteymax22 said:

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We’re thin on WR core as is, and trading him would mean we’d definitely have to use a high rd pick on a WR. Also, when you hear Gettleman and Shurmur talk about the types of players they want to build the culture around, Shepard fits that to a T. Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. Like it or not, this is what Gettleman is looking for from a player. Shepard stays, they have more than enough cap to extend him next year and keep him.

You have to keep in mind that DG is trying to change the culture. Shep was OBJ's mini-me. It was Shep that was punching the bench and tossing a trash can on the sidelines last season. OBJ's cancer might have already spread. DG is trying to cut it out.

In comment 14343000 Diver_Down said:

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In comment 14342975 Biteymax22 said: Quote: We’re thin on WR core as is, and trading him would mean we’d definitely have to use a high rd pick on a WR. Also, when you hear Gettleman and Shurmur talk about the types of players they want to build the culture around, Shepard fits that to a T. Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. Like it or not, this is what Gettleman is looking for from a player. Shepard stays, they have more than enough cap to extend him next year and keep him. You have to keep in mind that DG is trying to change the culture. Shep was OBJ's mini-me. It was Shep that was punching the bench and tossing a trash can on the sidelines last season. OBJ's cancer might have already spread. DG is trying to cut it out.

Never saw or heard that. What I did see was SS crushing blocks at the LoS and down field.

In comment 14343003 section125 said:

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In comment 14343000 Diver_Down said: Quote: In comment 14342975 Biteymax22 said: Quote: We’re thin on WR core as is, and trading him would mean we’d definitely have to use a high rd pick on a WR. Also, when you hear Gettleman and Shurmur talk about the types of players they want to build the culture around, Shepard fits that to a T. Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself. Like it or not, this is what Gettleman is looking for from a player. Shepard stays, they have more than enough cap to extend him next year and keep him. You have to keep in mind that DG is trying to change the culture. Shep was OBJ's mini-me. It was Shep that was punching the bench and tossing a trash can on the sidelines last season. OBJ's cancer might have already spread. DG is trying to cut it out. Never saw or heard that. What I did see was SS crushing blocks at the LoS and down field.

Mentioned in DefenderDawg's Sunday Reading -
Shep processes the OBJ Trade - ( New Window )

I hope DG doesnt give up on him

Move on...

players that are on the trading block -- and as I see it the balance of the trading candidates are Shepard, Engram and Jack Rabbit

that would essentially eliminate the Reese/Ross era

So if you can get a 2nd Round pick for Shepard in a WR rich draft - that a definite yes because you are essentially trading him for the potential of extending an equal or better coat controlled asset

I like Shep -- but he is replacable

If someone offers a 2 for Shep, you take it and run.

It's far, far better than paying him over 10M per year.

Tate doesn't make it so that we have to deal him - but he makes it much easier to do so and put the draft capital towards a younger, cheaper player who better fits what this team needs.

While never mentioning anyone specific. The Giants believe OBJ and his antics infiltrated his teammates. Some more then others. Those players should rent. Not buy

Is like a 3rd

But still doubt it.

In comment 14342975 Biteymax22 said:

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Hard worker, keeps to himself, is all about the team. For example, do you know he’s married to a supermodel? Probably not, because he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself.

pics or gtfo! :)

In comment 14343034 jtgiants said:

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While never mentioning anyone specific. The Giants believe OBJ and his antics infiltrated his teammates. Some more then others. Those players should rent. Not buy

This would be incredibly gross mismanagement.

To be paid big money by someone else.

The depth chart would look the same, before we signed Golden Tate.

What I mean by this is, at the time, before Tate, we had Jawill Davis, Quadree Henderson, and Alonzo Russell, so if we trade Shepard, it would be Tate and those three guys.

There's a reason why I liked the Golden Tate signing.

What Shep brings to the Giants is a damn good receiver and locker room character that is off the charts. He's up there with Saquon when it comes to character. I love the guy and he's a proven commodity...unlike a hit-or-miss 2nd WR picked up in the draft.

Lastly - NEVER, EVER help the stinkin Pats. BB is no idiot and if he offered a 2nd for Shep, he would do so because it would be bending the Giants over.

They had a child last year.
Wedding - ( New Window )

In comment 14343034 jtgiants said:

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While never mentioning anyone specific. The Giants believe OBJ and his antics infiltrated his teammates. Some more then others. Those players should rent. Not buy

I think DAG just wants to get rid of every remaining player from the Reese era. By my count we are down to: Shepard; Engram; Tomlinson; Ellison; Jenkins; Wheeler; Goodson.

The only guy from that group that will stay is Ellison because of his ties to Shurmur in Minn. Shepard will be the first to go. Engram and Jenkins will go soon after. My bet is we are interested in a TE at 17 if a guy like Daniel Jones is gone. Hockenson fits well, and they can roll him out in 2 TE sets with Ellison.

Basically, I would not expect either Engram or Shepard to be on this team ivy draft time. No Asshat info for me. Just a hunch.

Lots of excellent wr's available in this draft

and not just let him go after the season. letting him go after the season would be beyond stupid since they will have so much cap room to use to offset any comp pick that they would get by him leaving

it's really simple with shep. you extend him before the season to a contract i don't believe he will be worth as i don't think he's anything special or you trade him before the season to maximize the return, whatever that return is.

In comment 14343068 Giants38 said:

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The only guy from that group that will stay is Ellison because of his ties to Shurmur in Minn. Shepard will be the first to go. Engram and Jenkins will go soon after. My bet is we are interested in a TE at 17 if a guy like Daniel Jones is gone. Hockenson fits well, and they can roll him out in 2 TE sets with Ellison.

Moving on from your good players and keeping Ellison of all people would fly against the idea of winning while rebuilding.

but you gotta take that deal. I'd probably do it for a 3rd tbh. If you work from the assumption that they're highly unlikely to bring him back, you're essentially weighing one more year of Shepard vs 4 years of a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Over the next 5 years the pick is more likely to have a larger impact.

regardless of his connection to Shurmur years ago. He carries a $5.75M cap hit this year. If he is released, he yields a $3.25M cap savings. I would consider him insurance till after the draft in the event that DG doesn't draft a TE or trades Engram.

If the TE depth chart remains static after the draft, then Ellison could easily be released for the cap savings. His 25 reception for 250 yards and 1 TD (average over the past 2 years) can easily be replaced.

In comment 14343123 Diver_Down said:

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regardless of his connection to Shurmur years ago. He carries a $5.75M cap hit this year. If he is released, he yields a $3.25M cap savings. I would consider him insurance till after the draft in the event that DG doesn't draft a TE or trades Engram. If the TE depth chart remains static after the draft, then Ellison could easily be released for the cap savings. His 25 reception for 250 yards and 1 TD (average over the past 2 years) can easily be replaced.

Agreed, I think he gets cut at some point, even if we don’t draft a tight end. You can find someone to do what he does for a lot less.

In comment 14343105 j_rud said:

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but you gotta take that deal. I'd probably do it for a 3rd tbh. If you work from the assumption that they're highly unlikely to bring him back, you're essentially weighing one more year of Shepard vs 4 years of a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Over the next 5 years the pick is more likely to have a larger impact.

In addition to your point is that people should not expect Shep to factor into any comp. pick calculation. With an est. $100M in cap space for 2020, any free agents signed will cancel out the loss of Shep. So if he is not a part of the team's future with an extension, then get what you can for him now.

almost 900 yards. I wouldn't. The key is to building a team of talented players not just playin chess with draft picks.

trade for a player and boost his value. Then if he signs a 10+ million per yr contract they will get a 3rd round pick back for him with the compensatory pick formula.

Giants have Tate now and have too many wholes to give Shep 10+ mill per year. So make the trade if you can get a late 2nd or early 3rd

Like Shep but a #2 I would take quick like.

Especially this draft.

In comment 14342999 section125 said:

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I'd pull the trigger maybe even for a 3rd. I think he is grossly underrated on BBI. But I cannot see BB sending a 2nd for Shepard....

The Patriots 2nd round pick is like a 3rd.

In comment 14343143 bc4life said:

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almost 900 yards. I wouldn't. The key is to building a team of talented players not just playin chess with draft picks.

The key is building a team, but not just building a team for 2019. Shepard is unlikely to be in the teams long term plans. What is more valuable to the next 5 years of the franchise, one year of Shepard or 4 years of a 2nd or 3rd round pick? If Shepard was under contract it's a different ballgame. But if he's likely to be out of here after this season there's little reason to keep him.

Right or wrong, if a team has no intent to pay a F/A the market deal said F/A is going to command, then make the trade if it’s for better than a late 3rd round pick. If not, keep the player and watch him walk and collect the compensatory pick. Shepard will get a big deal next yr that will most likely be more than the Giants want to pay. In that scenario, make the trade if it’s for better than a late 3rd round pick.

In comment 14343177 Bernie said:

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Right or wrong, if a team has no intent to pay a F/A the market deal said F/A is going to command, then make the trade if it’s for better than a late 3rd round pick. If not, keep the player and watch him walk and collect the compensatory pick. Shepard will get a big deal next yr that will most likely be more than the Giants want to pay. In that scenario, make the trade if it’s for better than a late 3rd round pick.

The potential of a comp pick shouldn't factor into the equation. With $100M in cap space next year, we will likely sign more players that will cancel out what Shep will sign for.

I'm not saying we should settle and trade him for any late round pick. Despite the insinuation that OBJ might have infected other players and those players are likely gone, Shep still has value as a receiver and blocking skills for the final year.

also puts you in better position to swing the Rosen deal.

Having a receiver that knows the system would be a good thing to have. He made some strides last year, and I wouldn’t part with him for anything less. He’ll bring a pick back unless he has a terrible year.

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I son't see getting a 2nd for him- you don't beat Belichick at his own game. I'd take a 3rd, maybe a 4th. And from what jt says/doesn't say, Shep and not just Shep are likely going.

Shep doesnt have IT and is way below a Cruz or Smith, who were genocidal murder from the slot.

In comment 14343272 Bill in UT said:

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I son't see getting a 2nd for him- you don't beat Belichick at his own game. I'd take a 3rd, maybe a 4th. And from what jt says/doesn't say, Shep and not just Shep are likely going.

Completely agree with this. The Giants job is to make sure they can predict what it’s going to take to resign him now and if that number is in the 9-10 million dollar range then you trade him. Exactly what should have been done when evaluating Landon Collins. Hopefully they learn from their mistakes.