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CLEVELAND Cabot Cleveland Plain Dealer: The Browns’ Odell Beckham Jr. trade: A behind the scenes look “On Monday, the day legal tampering began, Dorsey called Gettleman and asked if he'd be willing to trade Beckham. The answer was yes, and negotiations that day were fast and furious. Dorsey had before him five different trade scenarios that the Browns had been working on since December, thanks to all their intel, and the report and rumors. All five scenarios included the Browns' No. 17 overall pick, and a variety of combinations. The names of Duke Johnson and Ogbah never came up, a source said. Meanwhile, the 49ers were also interested, according to Glazer, but the Giants wanted the No. 2 overall pick and the 49ers weren't budging...” “The day Dorsey called to ask for Beckham, Gettleman was in the midst of taking a ton of heat for letting safety Landon Collins walk in free agency, and needed a save. Browns' first-round safety Jabrill Peppers was the answer. Gettleman was adamant about acquiring Peppers in the deal to make up for the loss of the his three-time Pro Bowl safety, who agreed to a six-year, $84 million deal with the Redskins. The Browns didn't want to let Peppers go. They like his attitude, his work ethic and his infectious personality. But they certainly weren't going to let him stand in the way of acquiring Beckham, and the Giants felt he might fare better in their 3-4 defense.” |
What about it? Peppers was more important to the deal.
No matter. I am sure the giants have moles working in all major papers to cover their tracks. :)
To be fair there are fans on this site that will not believe anything positive about the giants, also fans that will not believe anything negative about the Giants.
And Gettelman did "hold out for" or "insist on" getting Peppers as part of the deal. Browns were NOT looking to unload Peppers.
We're not going to miss Collins much.
Fan of the player - think he's good, but we're going to be fine there. Not worth what WSH paid.
You don't "save face" by trading one of your most popular players.
Gettleman KNEW he would take crap for letting Collins walk. He didn't care.
You don't "save face" by trading one of your most popular players.
Gettleman KNEW he would take crap for letting Collins walk. He didn't care.
I was just about to say this. I don’t believe that.
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I don't buy is that Gettleman was trying to "save face" for losing Collins.
You don't "save face" by trading one of your most popular players.
Gettleman KNEW he would take crap for letting Collins walk. He didn't care.
I was just about to say this. I don’t believe that.
Agree Chris
This sounds like a story fed to the Cleveland paper by the Browns.
You don't "save face" by trading one of your most popular players.
Gettleman KNEW he would take crap for letting Collins walk. He didn't care.
Agreed that point doesn't carry much weight as a driver. Needing to replace Collins with a quality starter for the sake of bettering the defense would be the impetus not 'saving face'
This sounds like a story fed to the Cleveland paper by the Browns.
Yea fluff with some truth in there.
This sounds like a story fed to the Cleveland paper by the Browns.
According to article, talks started over a year ago
You don't "save face" by trading one of your most popular players.
Gettleman KNEW he would take crap for letting Collins walk. He didn't care.
I think needing to "save face" was overblown too and that the media was more shocked by it than Giants fans.
In fact, I think just as many (if not more) Giants fans would've been pissed if DG gave Collins a comparable deal to what he ended up with. There's been much debate on BBI since the season ended if he was even worth the franchise tag given his coverage issues and he signed for well above that.
But the opening paragraph clearly says that the Browns called the Giants at the start of free agency and that talks progressed "fast and furious". That very much suggests this was all done in a few days between both teams. If that is what they are saying, I don't buy it.
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I don't buy is that Gettleman was trying to "save face" for losing Collins.
You don't "save face" by trading one of your most popular players.
Gettleman KNEW he would take crap for letting Collins walk. He didn't care.
I was just about to say this. I don’t believe that.
Well I think it became two things meshed into one. He didnt trade OBJ to save face, but once he decided he was gone combined with Collins being gone and the safeties getting ridiculous $ he looked at Peppers as a great fit. Call it saving face or conveniently filling a need.
You don't "save face" by trading one of your most popular players.
Gettleman KNEW he would take crap for letting Collins walk. He didn't care.
Agreed. That seems like written bias. Gettleman’s MO contrasts with this comment. He definitely targeted Peppers because of letting Collins go, but to improve the team not appease a fan base.
So one has to consider if Collins did get franchised would Beckham still be a Giant today or would the Giants accepted even a lesser deal from another team?
DG deserves criticism for not taking the best offer at the trade deadline, but he 100% made the right call now with regards to Collins (IMO). And that has nothing to do with Peppers.
I think BBI's obsession over comp picks has grown a bit ridiculous given the likelihood of players taken after the late 3rd round of succeeding, but this is another area where Reese's poor drafting hurt. Hard to come out on the positive side of comp picks, when no one wants the players you drafted when they hit free agency.
So one has to consider if Collins did get franchised would Beckham still be a Giant today or would the Giants accepted even a lesser deal from another team?
That's the implication and that is ridiculous. Again, it's as if the writer is not even aware about Glazer's reports. And it also doesn't ring truthful at all given what we know about Gettleman. They are basically suggesting that trading Beckham was a panic move because they "lost" Collins.
So one has to consider if Collins did get franchised would Beckham still be a Giant today or would the Giants accepted even a lesser deal from another team?
No, the deal would have just netted another player or another draft pick - i.e., their #2 this year or their #1 next year.
Well I think it became two things meshed into one. He didnt trade OBJ to save face, but once he decided he was gone combined with Collins being gone and the safeties getting ridiculous $ he looked at Peppers as a great fit. Call it saving face or conveniently filling a need.
1. It seems Beckham was more available then many in the fans/media believed.
2. CLE was obviously interested in Beckham and had been for a while
3. Their 1st round pick wasn't enough.
4. Looking at their roster, especially the defensive side, Peppers was probably the most desirable guy (after Garrett who's probably untouchable). Huge improvement from his 1st to 2nd season which speaks to his work ethic and his extreme versatility was probably very appealing to Bettcher given how he deployed Mathieu and Buchanon with the Cards.
5. Seeing what (top) safeties are going for this year, I can easily see a team dealing a 2nd straight up for Peppers, which is roughly equivalent to trading a 2020 1st for him. So if you want to convert his value to draft picks, then the Giants basically traded Beckham for #17, 3rd rd pick, pick swap, 2020 1st.
Read that wrong!
Of course, Dorsey was gearing up by then to draft Baker Mayfield No. 1 overall, and there was no way he was parting with that pick or even flip-flopping with the Giants, who were right behind him at No. 2.
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By that time, the Giants were already disillusioned with their star receiver, and the seed was planted for the trade that would ultimately go down almost a year later.
Resigning Beckham was really the only option after he got hurt. The comp pick wouldn’t have been enough value and franchising him could have been chaos (he may have pulled a Bell). We paid for picks and future players by eating a ton of dead cap in 2019, a year we aren’t competing in anyway.
I think this worked out as well as it possibly could have, very lucky IMO. This could have gone really bad in many ways which is something I don’t think some people consider when assessing the package we got for him.
I think this worked out as well as it possibly could have, very lucky IMO. This could have gone really bad in many ways which is something I don’t think some people consider when assessing the package we got for him.
What Uconn said.
If this part of the reportage is true, what does it say about the decision-making that went in to the signing of OBJ to the mega-$$ deal? Did DG and ownership assess that they had no choice but to ink Beckham? Or is that bold faced portion mere taking of editorial liberty by the writer?
Shurmur was convinced after talking with OBJ, that he would be able to keep him in check, according to several article. Remember the mantra, you don't give up on talent. The deal for OBJ was a decent price for what he could be and what he could do. Once it became obvious, OBJ did not want to keep things to himself, it was time to go...
What no #2 and this year's #33, plus next years #1?
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All offseason I said there was no way anyone would trade the second overall pick for Beckham. Didn't go over well here... Fans aren't realistic.
What no #2 and this year's #33, plus next years #1?
Lunacy. I've never seen a more overrated player by his own fans.
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This was a new team to them this time last year. They took a gamble on his personality and didn't like the result.
And offensively carried a team to the playoffs in 2016- with the shit defense
Overrated is the wrong term. He has put up legendary numbers on the field. And his injuries were from the typical Eli high throw over the middle and a illegal leg whip.
Concerns on staying on the field are overplayed.
The argument is it’s not worth paying a wr that much- period- not that he is overvalued
The term cancer is also a joke- his last healthy year they made the playoffs- without him they were worse-
He’s gone now- he was a pain at times but the narratives now are a bit of a joke
And offensively carried a team to the playoffs in 2016- with the shit defense
Overrated is the wrong term. He has put up legendary numbers on the field. And his injuries were from the typical Eli high throw over the middle and a illegal leg whip.
Concerns on staying on the field are overplayed.
The argument is it’s not worth paying a wr that much- period- not that he is overvalued
The term cancer is also a joke- his last healthy year they made the playoffs- without him they were worse-
He’s gone now- he was a pain at times but the narratives now are a bit of a joke
With the stud defense not shit defense
You don't "save face" by trading one of your most popular players.
Gettleman KNEW he would take crap for letting Collins walk. He didn't care.
Yup. He did it because he knew he could handle the loss of Collins by getting Peppers as a replacement. My ass a grown man who has no fear of cutting star vets was trying to save face over Collins.