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Two guys not mentioned as much for #6: Greedy and Burns

Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 9:54 am
With all the needs on D, the depth at Tackle but no real blue-chipper RT, and pass rusher being a critical impact position as well as a CB with shut down potential....


If no QB and Q.Will, Bosa, Allen are gone.

2 guys that haven't gotten as much pub (at least recently) Brian Burns and Greedy Williams.

My guy at 6 is still likely Montez Sweat. But he is still somewhat raw (a lot less developed as a pass rusher and can't cover like Allen for instance). Still like him a lot and he could buck the learning curve but he probably doesn't start consistently impacting until year 2.

With that said, the 3 obvious blue chip defenders right now are Bosa, Q.Will, and Allen. All 3 have shown enough between developed technique and/or freakish skill and/or measurables that they could highly impact year 1.

But all 3 of those guys will likely be gone.

So which leads me to the question are there are guys on D that could critically impact year one or at least have the potential to do so?

As Ive watched more tape, the guy that really sticks out to me is Greedy Williams. He just shuts down the other side of the field almost no.matter the WR he's plays against. He mirrors routes amazingly well and has tremendous closing speed. He's is one of the better CBs at least potential wise I have seen in the last 5 years. A great great man to man CB which is what Bettcher tends to like for his ideal strategy which is heavy blitzing.

Now on to Burns. I haven't watched as much tape, but he seems to be a bit more advanced in the pass rush department than Sweat. Not quite as freakish measurables but may be a better technique guy. Though less Stout vs the run also probably better coverage ability than Sweat. He maybe closer to the Chandler Jones type that Bettcher has utilized with great success in the past.

DG builds inside  
section125 : 3/17/2019 9:57 am : link
out. Won't be Greedy. I can see Sweat or Burns as ER is a stated concern. I can see Gary, Wilkins, or even White.
I listen to many podcasts  
Tuckrule : 3/17/2019 9:58 am : link
Greedy to most scouts has a 2nd round grade. It’s a weak class so maybe he just stands out that much more than he really should
RE: I listen to many podcasts  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14343067 Tuckrule said:
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Greedy to most scouts has a 2nd round grade. It’s a weak class so maybe he just stands out that much more than he really should


Not seeing it. I see alot more than that. I see him toying with receivers somewhat like what Revis did in college.

That type of skill is pretty rare, to mirror guys without having to expend tremendous effort.
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arcarsenal : 3/17/2019 10:00 am : link
6 would be way, way too high on Greedy. 17 probably is too early as well.

I'd be looking for him @ 37. If he's not there, no sweat.

That's the sweet spot for him though, I think.
None of the CBs in this draft are  
superspynyg : 3/17/2019 10:01 am : link
worthy of the 6th overall. There are better players at other defensive postions like ER, Lber and DT.

Now at 17..would be a nice get!!!
RE: I listen to many podcasts  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14343067 Tuckrule said:
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Greedy to most scouts has a 2nd round grade. It’s a weak class so maybe he just stands out that much more than he really should


Now there could be attitude stuff clouding this so if that is the case itll come down to what Giants think of his character
Burns  
13ODB : 3/17/2019 10:03 am : link
Is reach at 6
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Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 10:04 am : link
In comment 14343072 arcarsenal said:
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6 would be way, way too high on Greedy. 17 probably is too early as well.

I'd be looking for him @ 37. If he's not there, no sweat.

That's the sweet spot for him though, I think.


Arc, trying to think outside the box a bit because Montez seems to be the only guy that makes any sense if no QB. I dont see OT there because I dont see a guy like Tyron Smith at that spot. Taylor is not quite that guy and Jonah isnt either.But a true shut down CB is worthy of that high a pick.
RE: Burns  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14343075 13ODB said:
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Is reach at 6


Actually you can argue if no QB , talent levels out quite a bit after Q.Will, Bosa and Allen.
i like burns more than allen  
GiantsFan84 : 3/17/2019 10:09 am : link
i think burns has great quickness and a superior bend. the bend is what the real pass rushers have and burns has that in spades

i also love polite. this is why they should trade down from 6
Burns is a very interesting guy  
Torrag : 3/17/2019 10:12 am : link
He might have the most well rounded stat line from 2018 of all the guys coming out. 52 tackles/15.5 TFL/10 SK/3 FF/3 PD. That's a very verstaile prospect. Watching him the one caviat is I'm not in love with his 'core strength'. Where a guy like Sweat can take on guys at the PoA Burns is a run around 'em guy. Didn't lift at the Combine so I'll be interested how he tests on the BP. His weight at 149# on a lean frame means he's probably not a hand in the dirt guy. When all is said and done probably doesn't get out of the Top 12 but for my money in this Draft class #6 is too rich for him.

I have no interest in Greedy or any CB in this class at #6 and maybe not at #17 though several guys make you look twice.
Greedy has some  
Andy in Boston : 3/17/2019 10:12 am : link
character concerns.....and Sy '56 doesn't like Burns....I trust his opinion. Burns apparently doesn't really have the frame to add alot of weight....which he desperately needs.
RE: DG builds inside  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14343065 section125 said:
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out. Won't be Greedy. I can see Sweat or Burns as ER is a stated concern. I can see Gary, Wilkins, or even White.


Gary certainly has measurables and size but a glaring lack of production relative to talent there. I dont see a natural pass rusher at all. Like Jadaveon never developed into an elite pass rusher someone of his freakish ability should have.

Wilkins, love the character and work ethic but the ability is not quite freakish enough to warrant 6 IMO.

Devin , I don't see the ridiculous diagnosing ability you'd want out of a LB chosen that high if he's not an elite pass rusher.
RE: Greedy has some  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 10:17 am : link
In comment 14343102 Andy in Boston said:
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character concerns.....and Sy '56 doesn't like Burns....I trust his opinion. Burns apparently doesn't really have the frame to add alot of weight....which he desperately needs.


But as a 3/4 OLB he could still work. Dont you think?
Greedy  
HugeS : 3/17/2019 10:27 am : link
Looked really bad at the combine in backpedal and change of direction drills. Not a be all end all but a red flag that this guy could bust big time in the wrong system. Burns physically looks like Leonard Floyd, a guy who could wreak havoc as a situational pass rusher but may get smashed up against the run.
Never  
mavric : 3/17/2019 11:36 am : link
Greedy will be on the board when we pick 37th...maybe 96. He is not a shut down corner or a top 10 pick. He has a cute name, but that doesn't translate to greatness. BTW, his real name is Andraez.

Burns will be good (IMO) but he will more than likely be available at 17. If we take a LB at 6, it better be White.

My hope is that a few QB hungry teams trade up and take some QBs off the board before the Giants pick. That way some can't miss super players will be there for the plucking. I hope we go with best ER at 6 and best OT at 17.
RE: Greedy  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14343136 HugeS said:
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Looked really bad at the combine in backpedal and change of direction drills. Not a be all end all but a red flag that this guy could bust big time in the wrong system. Burns physically looks like Leonard Floyd, a guy who could wreak havoc as a situational pass rusher but may get smashed up against the run.


Was Floyd being utilized in a 3-4 or 4-3?
RE: Never  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14343262 mavric said:
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Greedy will be on the board when we pick 37th...maybe 96. He is not a shut down corner or a top 10 pick. He has a cute name, but that doesn't translate to greatness. BTW, his real name is Andraez.

Burns will be good (IMO) but he will more than likely be available at 17. If we take a LB at 6, it better be White.

My hope is that a few QB hungry teams trade up and take some QBs off the board before the Giants pick. That way some can't miss super players will be there for the plucking. I hope we go with best ER at 6 and best OT at 17.


Unless there are severe character concerns I highly doubt he gets even to 20. Guess we'll see.
Burns can only play  
Dave on the UWS : 3/17/2019 12:36 pm : link
Weak side OLB he’s too small to take on the TE in the run game. Now that might work for the Giants, Carter is big enough to handle the strong side. 6 seems a little too high for him. Sweat seems to me, to be the best value there. He’s a freak athlete, and has a lot of untapped potential, plus he’s a big guy.
RE: Burns can only play  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14343370 Dave on the UWS said:
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Weak side OLB he’s too small to take on the TE in the run game. Now that might work for the Giants, Carter is big enough to handle the strong side. 6 seems a little too high for him. Sweat seems to me, to be the best value there. He’s a freak athlete, and has a lot of untapped potential, plus he’s a big guy.


I agree with you. If I had to rank them I'd go with : Sweat (depending on the heart condition), followed closely by Greedy Williams and then Burns.
Burns doesn’t seem like a guy who can dominate  
ryanmkeane : 3/17/2019 4:53 pm : link
up front
RE: Burns doesn’t seem like a guy who can dominate  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14343800 ryanmkeane said:
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up front


Jaylon Ferguson, Giants LOVE this kid. Could he have a Kalil Mack rise up the boards?
RE: RE: Burns doesn’t seem like a guy who can dominate  
Pan-handler : 3/17/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14343808 Pan-handler said:
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In comment 14343800 ryanmkeane said:


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up front



Jaylon Ferguson, Giants LOVE this kid. Could he have a Kalil Mack rise up the boards?


All time NCAA leader in sacks. 6-5, 260. Same size as Sweat.
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