...I suspect the Giants will have Sweat and Gary ahead of Wilkins. If the Top 5 fall like that it's likely one of those three if Haskins is out of the mix as some are speculating(I don't really buy into that).
Cody Ford at #17 is a strong possibility. His game tape is tremendous and that will carry more weight with DG than what he did in his underwear in Indy.
...I suspect the Giants will have Sweat and Gary ahead of Wilkins. If the Top 5 fall like that it's likely one of those three if Haskins is out of the mix as some are speculating(I don't really buy into that).
Cody Ford at #17 is a strong possibility. His game tape is tremendous and that will carry more weight with DG than what he did in his underwear in Indy.
This is the most realistic mock I have seen. I'm not sold on Gary.
Wilkins, absolutely. Plays like Snacks, powerful and quick. Graduates in 2 1/2 years. Has his Masters. Looks like a high character guy.
...I suspect the Giants will have Sweat and Gary ahead of Wilkins. If the Top 5 fall like that it's likely one of those three if Haskins is out of the mix as some are speculating(I don't really buy into that).
Cody Ford at #17 is a strong possibility. His game tape is tremendous and that will carry more weight with DG than what he did in his underwear in Indy.
If Reese were still GM Sweat would be the obvious pick lol.
there are better defensive players at other positions. I would prefer White or Wilkins over someone like Gary because I see some bust factor in Gary while I see almost certain probowls for white and Wilkins. This is the mistake Reese made on many occasions...forcing a position instead of picking the most talented players.
It happens, but I think pass rushers are generally valued above 2-gap guys. If the first five picks play out that way, the Giants might do better by trading out of the #6 slot - subject, obviously, to the market for that pick.
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aren't going to take an interior DL if Sweat is still there.
They will if he's higher on their board. Just because Sweat ran a really fast 40 doesn't mean he's going to be very high on their board. Sweat doesn't look like a great bender to me. He's not a homerun pick like many are making him out to be. There is bust potential there.
aren't going to take an interior DL if Sweat is still there.
They will if he's higher on their board. Just because Sweat ran a really fast 40 doesn't mean he's going to be very high on their board. Sweat doesn't look like a great bender to me. He's not a homerun pick like many are making him out to be. There is bust potential there.
Yes, if they don't think Sweat is going to be a good player they won't take him.
I'll restate: If they're taking 3-4DE this high they'd better be damn sure he's closer to Aaron Donald than not.
It happens, but I think pass rushers are generally valued above 2-gap guys. If the first five picks play out that way, the Giants might do better by trading out of the #6 slot - subject, obviously, to the market for that pick.
They were apparently very interested in Bradley Chubb last year perhaps even 2nd to Barkley.
Problem is I dont see a Bradley Chubb type this year. That kind of size and also advanced pass rush ability. Closest would be Bosa and hell be gone by 6.
Only guy I could see then tethink that strategy would be for Q. WILL if somehow he got to 6. Simply Because he has that super rare elite pass rush ability from the DT spot.
But if Allen or Sweat is on the board at 6 I don’t see how we can pass on one of them. Edge rusher is a much more needed position and should both be ranked ahead of Wilkins on the big board. Would absolutely love if Wilkins fell to 17.
Wilkins is a perfect three technique defensive tackle in a 4-3 defense. He's definitely not a one in a 3-4 so I just don't see a great fit for the Giants. Real good player and he could possibly play multiple positions I guess but I wouldn't pick him at #6.
Wilkins is a perfect three technique defensive tackle in a 4-3 defense. He's definitely not a one in a 3-4 so I just don't see a great fit for the Giants. Real good player and he could possibly play multiple positions I guess but I wouldn't pick him at #6.
Wilkins played every technique and well at Clemson. Don’t get why this keeps getting floated around. Agree that this shouldn’t be the pick at 6 but 17 would be totally acceptable. Just not sure if he’ll be there.
Not sure how the NYG feel, but Sy'56 LOVES Wilkins Â
Says he's just as good as Q. Williams. I'd be very happy with him at 17. Sweat is my hope for 6. At 17, I'm also a huge fan of Andre Dillard, who we can plug at RT and then move over to his natural position at LT when the wheels come off Nate Solder.
It happens, but I think pass rushers are generally valued above 2-gap guys. If the first five picks play out that way, the Giants might do better by trading out of the #6 slot - subject, obviously, to the market for that pick.
They were apparently very interested in Bradley Chubb last year perhaps even 2nd to Barkley.
Problem is I dont see a Bradley Chubb type this year. That kind of size and also advanced pass rush ability. Closest would be Bosa and hell be gone by 6.
That's because scouts felt Chubb could play standing up or as a down lineman.
#6, how far back do you trade back. Given some asshat information that the Giants like Devin White, wouldn’t it be wise to drop back more than to #9 or #10, take White, then take Burns at #17. Use the extra pick to either get Rosen or move up back into the 1st round to get one on the OTs.
It happens, but I think pass rushers are generally valued above 2-gap guys. If the first five picks play out that way, the Giants might do better by trading out of the #6 slot - subject, obviously, to the market for that pick.
They were apparently very interested in Bradley Chubb last year perhaps even 2nd to Barkley.
Problem is I dont see a Bradley Chubb type this year. That kind of size and also advanced pass rush ability. Closest would be Bosa and hell be gone by 6.
Chubb might not have gone in the top 15 in this year's draft with all the defensive talent. Guys like Allen are more highly thought of than Chubb. And Chubb is nowhere the athlete Sweat is or even Gary.
...I suspect the Giants will have Sweat and Gary ahead of Wilkins. If the Top 5 fall like that it's likely one of those three if Haskins is out of the mix as some are speculating(I don't really buy into that).
Cody Ford at #17 is a strong possibility. His game tape is tremendous and that will carry more weight with DG than what he did in his underwear in Indy.
If Reese were still GM Sweat would be the obvious pick lol.
While true that Reese’s Mike Manula draft philosophy screwed the Giants often Sweat does have actual SEC production at least. I think Gary can be a great pro. But get the reservations.
I just don’t get the people and even worse NFL pros who Discount little production the minute some guy kills a combine workout
Maybe I’m wrong but the kid Metcalf is a great example this year.
Oliver makes a lot of sense at 6, even if folks will argue he's not Â
the "type" to play in a 3-4 front. Neither is Donald... You can't teach that kind of burst and agressiveness. Not at the level he possessed. Is Willing as good as Oliver? I don't know.
First of all, #6 is way too high for Wilkins. Not to mention the Giants have Tomlinson and Hill and have greater needs than big DL... need an Edge Rusher. So that pick doesn't fit either value nor need.
Secondly, Cody Ford is certainly fine value at #17, but he projects to OG. We have Hernandez and Zeitler. We need a true OT. Personally I like:
This completes our o-line, gives us a top CB to upgrade our secondary AND allows DG to trade Jack Rabbit (either this year or next), and gives us an impact pass rusher.
In round 3-4 get a WR, the draft is deep at WR in rounds 2-4. I also say go big on DL in rounds 3-5 as the draft is deep at that position in those rounds.
That is true, but does it matter where the rush comes from? To me ER is still DL - guess I have trouble separating the two.
We run a lot of 4-man front looks, perhaps they'd find a Q Will too good to pass up in that instance. But, in 3-man fronts much of the actual QB pressure comes from the edge rushers, the DL are doing a lot of blocker eating and trying to collapse the pocket for the rushers.
Typically, teams running this scheme look for value on the DL and spend the money on the edges. Look at we've done since DG/Bettcher arrived.
Cody Ford at #17 is a strong possibility. His game tape is tremendous and that will carry more weight with DG than what he did in his underwear in Indy.
Cody Ford at #17 is a strong possibility. His game tape is tremendous and that will carry more weight with DG than what he did in his underwear in Indy.
This is the most realistic mock I have seen. I'm not sold on Gary.
Wilkins, absolutely. Plays like Snacks, powerful and quick. Graduates in 2 1/2 years. Has his Masters. Looks like a high character guy.
Cody Ford at #17 is a strong possibility. His game tape is tremendous and that will carry more weight with DG than what he did in his underwear in Indy.
If Reese were still GM Sweat would be the obvious pick lol.
They will if he's higher on their board. Just because Sweat ran a really fast 40 doesn't mean he's going to be very high on their board. Sweat doesn't look like a great bender to me. He's not a homerun pick like many are making him out to be. There is bust potential there.
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aren't going to take an interior DL if Sweat is still there.
They will if he's higher on their board. Just because Sweat ran a really fast 40 doesn't mean he's going to be very high on their board. Sweat doesn't look like a great bender to me. He's not a homerun pick like many are making him out to be. There is bust potential there.
Yes, if they don't think Sweat is going to be a good player they won't take him.
I'll restate: If they're taking 3-4DE this high they'd better be damn sure he's closer to Aaron Donald than not.
Agreed - this team's number 1 need is pass rush.
They were apparently very interested in Bradley Chubb last year perhaps even 2nd to Barkley.
Problem is I dont see a Bradley Chubb type this year. That kind of size and also advanced pass rush ability. Closest would be Bosa and hell be gone by 6.
Only guy I could see then tethink that strategy would be for Q. WILL if somehow he got to 6. Simply Because he has that super rare elite pass rush ability from the DT spot.
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Agreed - this team's number 1 need is pass rush.
That is true, but does it matter where the rush comes from? To me ER is still DL - guess I have trouble separating the two.
Wilkins played every technique and well at Clemson. Don’t get why this keeps getting floated around. Agree that this shouldn’t be the pick at 6 but 17 would be totally acceptable. Just not sure if he’ll be there.
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It happens, but I think pass rushers are generally valued above 2-gap guys. If the first five picks play out that way, the Giants might do better by trading out of the #6 slot - subject, obviously, to the market for that pick.
They were apparently very interested in Bradley Chubb last year perhaps even 2nd to Barkley.
Problem is I dont see a Bradley Chubb type this year. That kind of size and also advanced pass rush ability. Closest would be Bosa and hell be gone by 6.
That's because scouts felt Chubb could play standing up or as a down lineman.
Yup.
No he isn't. Wilkins can play at end or inside and can get a pass rush as well.
Wilkins is the most complete defensive lineman in the draft with the ability to play inside or outside.
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It happens, but I think pass rushers are generally valued above 2-gap guys. If the first five picks play out that way, the Giants might do better by trading out of the #6 slot - subject, obviously, to the market for that pick.
They were apparently very interested in Bradley Chubb last year perhaps even 2nd to Barkley.
Problem is I dont see a Bradley Chubb type this year. That kind of size and also advanced pass rush ability. Closest would be Bosa and hell be gone by 6.
Chubb might not have gone in the top 15 in this year's draft with all the defensive talent. Guys like Allen are more highly thought of than Chubb. And Chubb is nowhere the athlete Sweat is or even Gary.
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...I suspect the Giants will have Sweat and Gary ahead of Wilkins. If the Top 5 fall like that it's likely one of those three if Haskins is out of the mix as some are speculating(I don't really buy into that).
Cody Ford at #17 is a strong possibility. His game tape is tremendous and that will carry more weight with DG than what he did in his underwear in Indy.
If Reese were still GM Sweat would be the obvious pick lol.
While true that Reese’s Mike Manula draft philosophy screwed the Giants often Sweat does have actual SEC production at least. I think Gary can be a great pro. But get the reservations.
I just don’t get the people and even worse NFL pros who Discount little production the minute some guy kills a combine workout
Maybe I’m wrong but the kid Metcalf is a great example this year.
Secondly, Cody Ford is certainly fine value at #17, but he projects to OG. We have Hernandez and Zeitler. We need a true OT. Personally I like:
#6- Jawan Taylor, OT
#17- Byron Murphy, CB
#37- Jachai Polite, EDGE
This completes our o-line, gives us a top CB to upgrade our secondary AND allows DG to trade Jack Rabbit (either this year or next), and gives us an impact pass rusher.
In round 3-4 get a WR, the draft is deep at WR in rounds 2-4. I also say go big on DL in rounds 3-5 as the draft is deep at that position in those rounds.
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over Edge.
Agreed - this team's number 1 need is pass rush.
That is true, but does it matter where the rush comes from? To me ER is still DL - guess I have trouble separating the two.
We run a lot of 4-man front looks, perhaps they'd find a Q Will too good to pass up in that instance. But, in 3-man fronts much of the actual QB pressure comes from the edge rushers, the DL are doing a lot of blocker eating and trying to collapse the pocket for the rushers.
Typically, teams running this scheme look for value on the DL and spend the money on the edges. Look at we've done since DG/Bettcher arrived.