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If we are building a team around Barkley

Giantimistic : 3/17/2019 11:51 am
Then what style qb is the best match for him?

I think we at least a an that is a threat for a read option or a bootleg to keep the defense honest. Also the qb needs to be a good screen qb. I recognize I just listed two traits that Eli is not and still think you could win with a tradition not too mobile pocket qb, but for the future I think at least a potential situational running threat will make Barkley even more dangerous.

Also, what other positions do we need to upgrade to best enhance his skills set?

I think we need a blocking Tight end at at least one other player that keeps the safety’s honest—or can that be Engram?

Obviously a QB that excels at playaction  
robbieballs2003 : 3/17/2019 11:52 am : link
Where they can turn their back to a defense and snap their head around and quickly decipher the defense and where the ball should go.
All good points  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/17/2019 11:57 am : link
Sounds like we need Murray.

Gronk has been the linchpin of NE offense, allowing for the versatility of either a spread passing offense or I power run they have been going to of late, so would be huge to pair SB with a two way TE, SB himself being a versatile fit for any O. Evana Engrams I would trade, definitely not an in line TE, might be a better blocker with more angles and movement, either H-back or wide out.
IMO  
bigblue1124 : 3/17/2019 12:05 pm : link
You do not draft a QB based on what suits other players period. If drafted well the QB will outlast all the skill position.

IE current roster
Every team is built around a QB  
larryflower37 : 3/17/2019 12:08 pm : link
A great RB will not win a championship without a equally good QB.
We do not know today what we will be built like until we move on from Eli.
Eli is good in play action but Barkley can do a lot of different things.
We could draft Murray and become a spread hybrid like in KC
RE: IMO  
Giantimistic : 3/17/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14343322 bigblue1124 said:
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You do not draft a QB based on what suits other players period. If drafted well the QB will outlast all the skill position.

IE current roster


Although that is a great point, and I understand an injury can change everything with Barkley, I think this is a unique situation.

I always think how Detroit wasted Barry Sanders and what they could have done differently.

I think making all the conditions perfect to get the most out of Barkley would still work with out him. We can be special if we build on what makes him great.

We should have given Eli a strong oline and tall reciecera other than Barsen after Plax was done.

RE: Every team is built around a QB  
Giantimistic : 3/17/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14343326 larryflower37 said:
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A great RB will not win a championship without a equally good QB.
We do not know today what we will be built like until we move on from Eli.
Eli is good in play action but Barkley can do a lot of different things.
We could draft Murray and become a spread hybrid like in KC


Normally true but Barkley will prob run the ball about 20 to 25 times a game and when it is a pass will still get the ball 5-7 times a game that way.

I think with the Rule changes it is going to get easier to play qb and teams will be built to stop the pass. QB is still important and you need the right one to win but what style of QB to pair with Barkley I think is really important to consider and it sounds like the Giants are thinking that as well.
RE: RE: IMO  
giantstock : 3/17/2019 1:02 pm : link
In comment 14343331 Giantimistic said:
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In comment 14343322 bigblue1124 said:


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You do not draft a QB based on what suits other players period. If drafted well the QB will outlast all the skill position.

IE current roster



Although that is a great point, and I understand an injury can change everything with Barkley, I think this is a unique situation.

I always think how Detroit wasted Barry Sanders and what they could have done differently.

I think making all the conditions perfect to get the most out of Barkley would still work with out him. We can be special if we build on what makes him great.

We should have given Eli a strong oline and tall reciecera other than Barsen after Plax was done.


AL you need is a veyr good QB. What makes SB great is that all he needs is juts like what any other great player needs-- other very good players. SB fits anywhere.

IMO what he needs is a talented QB dnd a good OLINE -- then worry about wr's and tight ends.
RE: Obviously a QB that excels at playaction  
SterlingArcher : 3/17/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14343295 robbieballs2003 said:
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Where they can turn their back to a defense and snap their head around and quickly decipher the defense and where the ball should go.
You just described Eli! The qb's coming out of college play in the shot gun, they can not turn their back on the defense and read the field.
Elway never won a Super Bowl until he had Terrell Davis  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 3/17/2019 2:39 pm : link
And you have to figure that the earlier version of Elway was better than Elway at the end of his career.

The point is even hall of fame caliber qbs need running backs for instance Aikman had Emmitt Smith and Montana had Roger Craig.
RE: Elway never won a Super Bowl until he had Terrell Davis  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 3/17/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14343573 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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And you have to figure that the earlier version of Elway was better than Elway at the end of his career.

The point is even hall of fame caliber qbs need running backs for instance Aikman had Emmitt Smith and Montana had Roger Craig.

Lynch, Blount, Michel.
Sad part is,  
Doomster : 3/17/2019 11:15 pm : link
we probably have wasted the first three years of Barkley's career...
Sad part is,  
Doomster : 3/17/2019 11:25 pm : link
we probably have wasted the first three years of Barkley's career...
What we need to do this type of build...  
bw in dc : 3/17/2019 11:40 pm : link
is another quality RB.

Unfortunately, Eli is back. And teams will, obviously, commit to stuffing and pummeling Barkley, and invite our 38 year old QB to beat them.

So Barkley is going to need relief. Gallman is nice, but not nice enough.
TE HOCKSON at #17?  
SGMen : 3/18/2019 1:11 am : link
Why not if he is tops on value board?
He can block and catch.
RE: TE HOCKSON at #17?  
adamg : 3/18/2019 1:18 am : link
In comment 14344262 SGMen said:
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Why not if he is tops on value board?
He can block and catch.


Is his blocking elite or average?
The only part where you loose me  
idiotsavant : 3/18/2019 6:14 am : link
Is the presumption of next season.

I've advocated for east west and shanny ball, outside zone runs and opposite side roll outs as bread and butter for years.

But the constant insistence that everything happen next season is the only place you loose me.

Build up the D, front seven and OL, to the max, and find that player in 2020.
RE: All good points  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/18/2019 8:02 am : link
In comment 14343303 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Sounds like we need Murray.

Gronk has been the linchpin of NE offense, allowing for the versatility of either a spread passing offense or I power run they have been going to of late, so would be huge to pair SB with a two way TE, SB himself being a versatile fit for any O. Evana Engrams I would trade, definitely not an in line TE, might be a better blocker with more angles and movement, either H-back or wide out.


So A one read run first QB who almost never was under Center is now a play action master. Yeah. Thank God the Cards are sold on him.
RE: Sad part is,  
EricJ : 3/18/2019 8:21 am : link
In comment 14344222 Doomster said:
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we probably have wasted the first three years of Barkley's career...


what does that even mean? I hear that too much. We wasted the end of Eli's career too.

These players make their own career. The ball is snapped and from there it is up to them.

Do you realize how many fall of fame players there are who never even made it to a superbowl?

Barkley had an excellent season and is considered one of the best running backs in the game on a shitty team and with a sub par OL last season.
A QB who can accurately throw screen passes  
GFAN52 : 3/18/2019 8:24 am : link
Would be nice.
IMO, it should be a QB who can play under center  
Matt G : 3/18/2019 8:26 am : link
I don't see Barkley taking many NFL snaps under center
correction  
Matt G : 3/18/2019 8:26 am : link
I don't see MURRAY taking many NFL snaps under center
RE: What we need to do this type of build...  
Giantimistic : 3/18/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14344233 bw in dc said:
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is another quality RB.

Unfortunately, Eli is back. And teams will, obviously, commit to stuffing and pummeling Barkley, and invite our 38 year old QB to beat them.

So Barkley is going to need relief. Gallman is nice, but not nice enough.


I am intrigued by Robert Martin.
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