there will be no booing. The offense will likely be fine and put up points.
There are three vital reasons why they are sticking with Eli from a logistical standpoint:
1. Eli's dead cap hit plus whatever it would take to sign a step down veteran would yield a negligible amount of money that really won't affect things one way or the other.
2. The return on making that move would not be worth the step down in play at the position.
3. If the Giants were so hard up for that five million dollars or so that they just had to have it, there are a billion options with the other 52 other players on the roster.
Cutting the guy just for the sake of cutting him to make a clean break is just as emotional as keeping him for sentimental reasons.
Eli makes sense for the team this year, from a logistical standpoint. He just does. You're going to have to deal with it. Unless we're just going to do this exercise over and over every day until he takes the field week one.
why do you keep saying #1 when this thread proves it untrue` Â
and signing Fitz to that deal just doesn't seem worth it for several reasons.
1. We just drastically improved the line, we've waited this long for it (as has Eli) and cutting him now for an inferior QB who's not in the long term plans seems moronic.
2. Cutting Eli is something I'm still on board with but it would have to be for a whoever was taking this team over (Rosen, a draft pick, etc).
3. The Giants, whether you agree with it or not, are still trying to win this year. An improved OLine with Barkley and hopefully a draft chock full of defensive additions could surprise. We see it all the time, why not Eli in his last year under contract?
4. As Britt mentioned wanting Eli gone so badly that you'd "waste" more money on Fitzpatrick is just as belligerent as wanting to keep him at all costs.
They've paid his bonus. They've stated he's back. He's the starter.
It's irrational to continue to discuss this, really, because you can pound your fist about his salary all you want, it's not going to change the fact that's he's returning as the starter.
But I guess if you want to do this every day for the next six months, have at it? Seems like a giant waste of time to me.
Agree with djm here, Eli is our best option to win any games this year.
If the goal from management was to win games in Eli's last year, they would have franchised Collins and kept Beckham for one more try.
At minimum, they would not have made the 27th ranked defense worse by trading off pieces for picks.
You are not improving your defense by starting a bunch of rookies.
Why not? With improved ball control (better OLine) and young defensive pieces with a lot to prove why can’t we be better on defense? Our safeties on paper are better now than they were a week ago as well.
But if the goal isn’t to win games why sign Fitzpatrick to a 2 year deal when we can just start Lauletta for free?
They've paid his bonus. They've stated he's back. He's the starter.
It's irrational to continue to discuss this, really, because you can pound your fist about his salary all you want, it's not going to change the fact that's he's returning as the starter.
But I guess if you want to do this every day for the next six months, have at it? Seems like a giant waste of time to me.
You are the one that brought it back up.
It was just reported as another transaction ion until you incorrectly chimed in that there would have been no savings
I must have blinked during the fabulous free agent period of 2018 Â
when we paid a bundle for a wonderful set of bad and/or average players.
The set of malcontents seems to be an everlasting list as this purging started back over a year ago, continued during the past regular season and is now reaching into this free agent. Did we shed them all yet?
And now signing Golden Tate to his $23M deal at his age...for this team?
Peppered in-between are some good things the DG has done as well, but cannot have this hokie-pokey dance of good moves and really poor ones, and expect things to get better other than around the margins.
not sure what's hard to understand about it. They tried making a run in 2018 and it didn't work. Period. Would you rather continue to make mistakes or learn from them. Shouldn't the answer be obvious?
I suggest getting over 2018 sooner rather than later. The team has moved on from it, so should the fans.
I am not confused uconn. My post was simply about Â
how this restructuring, rebuilding, business as usual or making a run...whatever you want to call it, has proceeded.
We keep taking one step forward for every one that sets us back, and this has continued to occur under DG's reign now.
Moving on from mistakes and learning from them...all for it. But that means limiting them going forward too, and signing Tate for $23M guaranteed for a WR on the wrong side of 30 years old makes me roll my eyes...yet again.
and its to provide a very solid, above average WR to lead this WR corps. Maybe you don't see the value in that, but I do, especially after the immaturity of that unit over the past several years.
The money to him only hurts us this year and we have tons next year so it really is a wash, costwise. I don't see how this is taking a step back. Unless you just want them to not field a team at all we still have to sign vets and in case we get some good bounces, be in position to capitalize on them.
We were never "tearing it down". If you feel that's what we should do I can't argue that, but you can't really fault DG (or even Mara) if they don't want to openly punt a season.
Restructuring need to have started earlier and been done deeper. Those are mistakes we continue to pay for.
Consider them sunk costs...fine. But then go hard and deep now with it. So what do we do, we sign a 31 year old WR to play catch from a 39 year old guy we don’t want to cut because of loyalty.
You don’t just kind of dabble in restructuring or reorganizing. Less you want it to drag on forever...
RE: I must have blinked during the fabulous free agent period of 2018 Â
The set of malcontents seems to be an everlasting list as this purging started back over a year ago, continued during the past regular season and is now reaching into this free agent. Did we shed them all yet?
Not yet, let's turn over the roster again. Obviously when you win 5 games, it's "the culture" not the shocking lack of talent and the head coach that's 15-39 for his life.
There are three vital reasons why they are sticking with Eli from a logistical standpoint:
1. Eli's dead cap hit plus whatever it would take to sign a step down veteran would yield a negligible amount of money that really won't affect things one way or the other.
2. The return on making that move would not be worth the step down in play at the position.
3. If the Giants were so hard up for that five million dollars or so that they just had to have it, there are a billion options with the other 52 other players on the roster.
Cutting the guy just for the sake of cutting him to make a clean break is just as emotional as keeping him for sentimental reasons.
Eli makes sense for the team this year, from a logistical standpoint. He just does. You're going to have to deal with it. Unless we're just going to do this exercise over and over every day until he takes the field week one.
Fitz and elis dead cap will cost 11.5 mil
Thats a 11.5 mil savings, basically doubling our current cap space
The Giants have a lot of ways to free up money if they wanted to. What they don't have a lot of is options at QB.
1. We just drastically improved the line, we've waited this long for it (as has Eli) and cutting him now for an inferior QB who's not in the long term plans seems moronic.
2. Cutting Eli is something I'm still on board with but it would have to be for a whoever was taking this team over (Rosen, a draft pick, etc).
3. The Giants, whether you agree with it or not, are still trying to win this year. An improved OLine with Barkley and hopefully a draft chock full of defensive additions could surprise. We see it all the time, why not Eli in his last year under contract?
4. As Britt mentioned wanting Eli gone so badly that you'd "waste" more money on Fitzpatrick is just as belligerent as wanting to keep him at all costs.
Agree with djm here, Eli is our best option to win any games this year.
If the goal from management was to win games in Eli's last year, they would have franchised Collins and kept Beckham for one more try.
At minimum, they would not have made the 27th ranked defense worse by trading off pieces for picks.
You are not improving your defense by starting a bunch of rookies.
It's irrational to continue to discuss this, really, because you can pound your fist about his salary all you want, it's not going to change the fact that's he's returning as the starter.
But I guess if you want to do this every day for the next six months, have at it? Seems like a giant waste of time to me.
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Agree with djm here, Eli is our best option to win any games this year.
If the goal from management was to win games in Eli's last year, they would have franchised Collins and kept Beckham for one more try.
At minimum, they would not have made the 27th ranked defense worse by trading off pieces for picks.
You are not improving your defense by starting a bunch of rookies.
Why not? With improved ball control (better OLine) and young defensive pieces with a lot to prove why can’t we be better on defense? Our safeties on paper are better now than they were a week ago as well.
But if the goal isn’t to win games why sign Fitzpatrick to a 2 year deal when we can just start Lauletta for free?
Doesn't change anything I just said.
How are they wasting time?
By getting rid of cancerous players, not overpaying marginal talent, trading away malcontents and rebuilding the OL/DL?
Thats wasting time? Oh no.... this is all about Eli again. Been the theme of the offseason....
Not overpaying marginal players?
This restructuring keeps taking one step forward and another one back....
Should've just hauled whatever grocery store Curtis Painter is working in these days and had him in for a tryout.
Not overpaying marginal players?
This restructuring keeps taking one step forward and another one back....
We got rid of malcontents first. Then we didnt overpay marginal talents. And got rid of the biggest headache of them all.
These are smart moves. We have cap space out of the wazoo next year. We will have a new QB.
The plan is so easy to see, yet many just dont want to open their eyes.
It's irrational to continue to discuss this, really, because you can pound your fist about his salary all you want, it's not going to change the fact that's he's returning as the starter.
But I guess if you want to do this every day for the next six months, have at it? Seems like a giant waste of time to me.
You are the one that brought it back up.
It was just reported as another transaction ion until you incorrectly chimed in that there would have been no savings
The set of malcontents seems to be an everlasting list as this purging started back over a year ago, continued during the past regular season and is now reaching into this free agent. Did we shed them all yet?
And now signing Golden Tate to his $23M deal at his age...for this team?
Peppered in-between are some good things the DG has done as well, but cannot have this hokie-pokey dance of good moves and really poor ones, and expect things to get better other than around the margins.
or maybe you do...
I suggest getting over 2018 sooner rather than later. The team has moved on from it, so should the fans.
We keep taking one step forward for every one that sets us back, and this has continued to occur under DG's reign now.
Moving on from mistakes and learning from them...all for it. But that means limiting them going forward too, and signing Tate for $23M guaranteed for a WR on the wrong side of 30 years old makes me roll my eyes...yet again.
The money to him only hurts us this year and we have tons next year so it really is a wash, costwise. I don't see how this is taking a step back. Unless you just want them to not field a team at all we still have to sign vets and in case we get some good bounces, be in position to capitalize on them.
We were never "tearing it down". If you feel that's what we should do I can't argue that, but you can't really fault DG (or even Mara) if they don't want to openly punt a season.
I don't know what to tell you man. You know what i'm talking about but you are fighting it regardless.
Consider them sunk costs...fine. But then go hard and deep now with it. So what do we do, we sign a 31 year old WR to play catch from a 39 year old guy we don’t want to cut because of loyalty.
You don’t just kind of dabble in restructuring or reorganizing. Less you want it to drag on forever...
The set of malcontents seems to be an everlasting list as this purging started back over a year ago, continued during the past regular season and is now reaching into this free agent. Did we shed them all yet?
Not yet, let's turn over the roster again. Obviously when you win 5 games, it's "the culture" not the shocking lack of talent and the head coach that's 15-39 for his life.