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NFT: Selection Sunday - NCAA

MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 3:21 pm
Tennessee shit the bed so they're probably off the 1 line.

Clearly, ACC has three number 1s now - UVA, Duke and UNC. Still up for debate is MSU or Gonzaga. I say stick both in the west as a great 4 vs 5.

To me UVA should be the overall number 1. Better body of work this year. But I'm sure they'll use 'injuries' to a team with embarrassing depth as a reason to give 5 loss Duke the number 1 overall seed anyway, and avoid Lexington against either Kentucky or Tennessee. It's not right, but Duke has had a lot of hype all year and did beat UVA twice (damnit it UNC had only closed the door and not shot so poorly Friday or if Little hadn't been a bag of dicks all night )

Hopefully UNC is the Midwest number 1 with dep's Michigan at 2. Want that rematch of uncs low of the season

Anyway, this is fun -- but at the end of the day the great thing about march madness is it's settled on the court and dependent on luck of the draw and upsets anyway. Looking forward to the selection show.
UVA, UNC, & Duke will all be  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/17/2019 3:34 pm : link
1s IMO.
As a Virginia fan  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/17/2019 4:15 pm : link
I'd like the East because it's in DC. I think that Duke gets the overall #1. I would be frustrated if UVA got the second #1 seed, got the South (Louisville) and was paired with Kentucky as Big Blue Nation would take over Louisville to an unimaginable degree.

This is going to be a wild Selection Process. Duke and UVA are locks at this point for the top two overall seeds and the only locks for 1 seeds at this point.

If Houston comes back to win this game, don't rule out a 1 seed for them. Their NET rating is currently 4th in the country and they would be 32-2. Advanced metrics like KenPom and Sagarin don't love them, but who knows how much the committee values NET (which is a dumb rating system, but better than the even dumber RPI).

I don't think they should be a 1, I just wouldn't be surprised if they were.

If Michigan St wins, they could be a 1. The Big 10 might get the most teams in the tournament, and Mich St would tie Virginia for the most "Quadrant 1 wins." Quadrant 1 wins is also stupid on its one as a Quadrant 1 win is a Home win against teams ranked 1-30, Neutral win against teams ranked 1-50, or road win against teams 1-75. In other words, a neutral floor win over UVA would be treated the same as a road win at Davidson.

Then there's UNC, Tennessee, and Gonzaga all of whom have impressive wins on their resume and could all win the national championship. I think Gonzaga's loss to Saint Mary's knocked them off the 1-line, but they are the only team to beat Duke at full strength, are 2 in NET, and 2 in KenPom. Tennessee meanwhile beat Gonzaga and Kentucky twice, and is 5th in NET. North Carolina beat short-handed Duke twice (but still played well), showed they match-up with Duke toe-to-toe and beat Gonzaga-- but lost to UK and Michigan at home.

Should be a fun reveal.
though I think the Tenn loss  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/17/2019 4:22 pm : link
has kept Kentucky out of Louisville as Tennessee will be ranked higher than Kentucky and will also have the South as a geographic preference. That is a relief to a lot of teams that get the South. Tennessee will have a big representation in Louisville, but nothing like what Kentucky would bring.
UNC is an absolute lock for a 1 now  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 4:50 pm : link
That Tennessee lost

Who would trump them - MSU and gonzaga? They crushed gonzaga H2H and have lost two games since early January ... to the top 2 teams in the country , uva and Duke. The former because of ingame injuries, the latter on a buzzer beater.
RE: As a Virginia fan  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14343742 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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North Carolina beat short-handed Duke twice (but still played well), showed they match-up with Duke toe-to-toe and beat Gonzaga-- but lost to UK and Michigan at home.

Should be a fun reveal.


UNC loss to Michigan was in Ann Arbor. UK loss was in chicago on a neutral floor.

There's just no argument for UNC not being the #3 overall team in this tournament representing the Midwest region. Whether MSU if loses to
Michigan ... or Michigan is their 2 seed ... or Houston I guess (though I think they are a solid 3 seed) - is still to be determined
That was a tough call to go against Michigan at the end  
Mad Mike : 3/17/2019 5:42 pm : link
Not sure what the refs saw to give it to MSU.
Let’s go ‘Gate!  
Mike in NY : 3/17/2019 5:53 pm : link
First time since Adonal Foyle!
MAB  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/17/2019 5:53 pm : link
right. I meant lost to Michigan at their place.
I think the four best teams are UVA, Duke, UNC, and Gonzaga  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/17/2019 5:55 pm : link
in some order.

with Michigan State right there too  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/17/2019 5:55 pm : link
a lot of strong teams this year.
St. John's squarely on the bubble  
dpinzow : 3/17/2019 5:58 pm : link
I think their chances are 50/50 at best. It's more likely than not they played their way out of the tournament with their play in the last 2-3 weeks
Duke overall #1, and placed in the East  
dpinzow : 3/17/2019 6:06 pm : link
East Bracket

#1 Duke vs. #16 NC Central/#16 North Dakota State
#8 VCU vs. #9 Central Florida
#5 Mississippi State vs. #12 Liberty
#4 Virginia Tech vs. #13 St. Louis
#6 Maryland vs. #11 Belmont/#11 Temple (so Belmont is in)
#3 LSU vs. #14 Yale
#7 Louisville vs. #10 Minnesota
#2 Michigan State vs. #15 Bradley

Duke got a really good draw outside of possibly Michigan State in the Elite 8
We also know that Belmont and Temple were 2 of the last 4 in  
dpinzow : 3/17/2019 6:10 pm : link
...
Gonzaga and Tennessee seem to be in the west now  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 6:11 pm : link
Duke got an easy draw and gifted the overall one despite a body of work that didn't deserve it (potential and what ifs shouldn't factor)--

But considering If MSU wins it's tournament last night not today at 6pm they are probably the top 2 seed in the tournament -- I've got no complaints. I still think overall 1 should face overall 8 but the committee never does it so ... bummer for Duke
Watching ESPN with Bilas and Jay Williams laughing it up over Duke.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/17/2019 6:11 pm : link
They also show Zion highlights every 20 seconds.

God I hate ESPN.
Virginia is the second #1 seed, #1 in the South  
dpinzow : 3/17/2019 6:16 pm : link
#1 Virginia vs. #16 Gardner-Webb
#8 Mississippi vs. #9 Oklahoma
#5 Wisconsin vs. #12 Oregon
#4 Kansas State vs. #13 UC Irvine
#6 Villanova vs. #11 St. Mary's
#3 Purdue vs. #14 Old Dominion
#7 Cincinnati vs. #10 Iowa
#2 Tennessee vs. #15 Colgate

No excuses for Virginia this time. They have a great draw, possibly better than Duke's. There's a decent chance Villanova gets to the Elite 8 on the bottom side of the South bracket
Iona vs UNC  
Del Shofner : 3/17/2019 6:23 pm : link
Talk about a long shot.
Unreal  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 6:25 pm : link
If kansas beats auburn on a neutral court ... they get yet another home game against a one seed. Incompetent and should be a fireable offense
North Carolina is #1 in the Midwest, so ACC goes 1-2-3 with the #1s  
dpinzow : 3/17/2019 6:27 pm : link
#1 North Carolina vs. #16 Iona
#8 Utah State vs. #9 Washington
#5 Auburn vs. #12 New Mexico State
#4 Kansas vs. #13 Northeastern
#6 Iowa State vs. #11 Ohio State
#3 Houston vs. #14 Georgia State
#7 Wofford vs. #10 Seton Hall
#2 Kentucky vs. #15 Abilene Christian

North Carolina's bracket is tougher but Kansas isn't as good as they usually are. Kentucky, Houston and Auburn are solid teams so the Heels will have to earn it
RE: Unreal  
dep026 : 3/17/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14343923 MetsAreBack said:
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If kansas beats auburn on a neutral court ... they get yet another home game against a one seed. Incompetent and should be a fireable offense


Kansas isn’t good tho.
RE: Unreal  
dpinzow : 3/17/2019 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14343923 MetsAreBack said:
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If kansas beats auburn on a neutral court ... they get yet another home game against a one seed. Incompetent and should be a fireable offense


I know they have the Kansas name but the way they've looked the past couple of months, North Carolina should handle them regardless of where they play them. They might have a hard time getting to the Sweet 16. Lots of unusual weaknesses on that Jayhawks team
UNC bracket  
dep026 : 3/17/2019 6:30 pm : link
Is just absolutely brutal
St John's in as at-large  
Del Shofner : 3/17/2019 6:35 pm : link
with a play-in.
Gonzaga is the final #1 seed, in the West  
dpinzow : 3/17/2019 6:37 pm : link
#1 Gonzaga vs. #16 Fairleigh Dickinson/#16 Prairie View
#8 Syracuse vs. #9 Baylor
#5 Marquette vs. #12 Murray State
#4 Florida State vs. #13 Vermont
#6 Buffalo vs. #11 Arizona State/#11 St. John's
#3 Texas Tech vs. #14 Northern Kentucky
#7 Nevada vs. #10 Florida
#2 Michigan vs. #15 Montana

They loaded up Gonzaga's bracket. Gonzaga could get Syracuse in round 2, FSU in the Sweet 16 and Michigan/Texas Tech in the Elite 8. St. John's was the LAST team in
RE: St John's in as at-large  
KDubbs : 3/17/2019 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14343934 Del Shofner said:
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with a play-in.


Great, mullin is gonna be back and the entire workd gets to see how embarrassing we can be with the talent we have
RE: St John's in as at-large  
dpinzow : 3/17/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14343934 Del Shofner said:
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with a play-in.


CBS said that St. John's was the LAST TEAM in on that "Last 4 In graphic" with the lowest NET rating. No obvious snubs to be fair
RE: UNC bracket  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14343927 dep026 said:
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Is just absolutely brutal


As tough a bracket when you consider they are sent to Ohio as a 3 overall team in country (Jacksonville would be better), Kansas in a road game
- yet again somehow - if they beat auburn which just won its conference and should be a 3 or 4 because of it, and then an elite 8 game in the Midwest against either the preseason 1 and assumed one seed until they lost to Tennessee yesterday or a top 4 NET team according to Paul.

It's an absolutely absurd draw.
UNC is a damn good team.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/17/2019 6:46 pm : link
They'll be fine.
Or St Johns  
KDubbs : 3/17/2019 6:47 pm : link
Might be playing their next coach in the 1st game or the 2nd game if they win 😂
So where are we doing the bracket league, peeps?  
Anakim : 3/17/2019 6:55 pm : link
Yahoo? ESPN?
I say we do Yahoo  
Anakim : 3/17/2019 7:03 pm : link
We can enter the million dollar challenge as well
...  
Man In The Box : 3/17/2019 7:05 pm : link
If SHU gets by Wofford, a rematch against Kentucky will be interesting.

Also, nice to see SJU get in.
RE: UNC is a damn good team.  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14343948 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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They'll be fine.


They are a good team but the tournament is as much about who you play and where you play them as much as anything else. The number 3 overall team has to go to Ohio?! (When uva is closer to that venue than South Carolina?)... and then has to potentially play a road game against Kansas in the sweet 16?

Huh???

I don't have too much issue with Kentucky or Houston - though I don't understand how the 4 overall gonzaga gets the 8 overall Michigan out west... why wouldn't you at least give gonzaga a tougher 2 in their time zone????

But why the fuck wasn't Kansas - as many said here isn't that good this year - getting a home game in the sweet 16? Why not sent to another region? Absolute horse shit.
RE: Gonzaga is the final #1 seed, in the West  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/17/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14343935 dpinzow said:
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#1 Gonzaga vs. #16 Fairleigh Dickinson/#16 Prairie View
#8 Syracuse vs. #9 Baylor
#5 Marquette vs. #12 Murray State
#4 Florida State vs. #13 Vermont
#6 Buffalo vs. #11 Arizona State/#11 St. John's
#3 Texas Tech vs. #14 Northern Kentucky
#7 Nevada vs. #10 Florida
#2 Michigan vs. #15 Montana

They loaded up Gonzaga's bracket. Gonzaga could get Syracuse in round 2, FSU in the Sweet 16 and Michigan/Texas Tech in the Elite 8. St. John's was the LAST team in


'Cuse is always tough in the tournament, but they have 2 good wins all season and even those were questionable. Once you get to that point, you're going to be playing a good team anyway (most likely), so nothing is a cakewalk. Barring any last second injuries like last year, I'd feel better about the Zags' chances against the Noles. A lot of the teams I was really worried about facing are all in Duke's bracket... UCF, LSU, Maryland.
RE: RE: UNC is a damn good team.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/17/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14343974 MetsAreBack said:
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I don't have too much issue with Kentucky or Houston - though I don't understand how the 4 overall gonzaga gets the 8 overall Michigan out west... why wouldn't you at least give gonzaga a tougher 2 in their time zone????



I must agree with you when it comes to Kentucky and UNC being in the same bracket if Gonzaga was the 4th number 1. Doesn't make much sense.
I have Utah State upsetting UNC  
Anakim : 3/17/2019 7:31 pm : link
Not basing it on anything. I just heard Utah State could surprise.
I weep for UNC  
Jints in Carolina : 3/17/2019 7:49 pm : link
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I weep for Iona.  
Del Shofner : 3/17/2019 7:50 pm : link
Not an alum or anything, but it's a local school and talk about David v. Goliath.
RE: RE: UNC is a damn good team.  
WillVAB : 3/17/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14343974 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 14343948 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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They'll be fine.



They are a good team but the tournament is as much about who you play and where you play them as much as anything else. The number 3 overall team has to go to Ohio?! (When uva is closer to that venue than South Carolina?)... and then has to potentially play a road game against Kansas in the sweet 16?

Huh???

I don't have too much issue with Kentucky or Houston - though I don't understand how the 4 overall gonzaga gets the 8 overall Michigan out west... why wouldn't you at least give gonzaga a tougher 2 in their time zone????

But why the fuck wasn't Kansas - as many said here isn't that good this year - getting a home game in the sweet 16? Why not sent to another region? Absolute horse shit.


I hope Kansas wins. UNC would smoke Kansas regardless of the location.

Auburn scares me. They shoot a ton of 3’s and UNC is bad defending 3’s.
.  
threeofakind33 : 3/17/2019 8:27 pm : link
Purely anecdotal, but it feels like every year UNC is playing home games in the tournament (regardless of seed). I don't mind the blue-bloods having to move around once in a while.
RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 3/17/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14344098 threeofakind33 said:
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Purely anecdotal, but it feels like every year UNC is playing home games in the tournament (regardless of seed). I don't mind the blue-bloods having to move around once in a while.


Because they are usually a one seed. Duke, Kansas (especially Kansas), Michigan state get the same early draws. A sneaky beneficiary is gonzaga - the PAC 12 hasn't been good in how many years so gonzaga always gets a west draw and plays its sweet 16 much closer to home than its opponents.
St John's making the tournament is laughable  
Greg from LI : 3/17/2019 8:46 pm : link
Crap team from a weak conference
RE: St John's making the tournament is laughable  
dep026 : 3/17/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14344114 Greg from LI said:
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Crap team from a weak conference


Florida shouldn’t have either.

Pains for me to say this.... but I like Virginia to get to the finals. I think they got the easiest road.
RE: St John's making the tournament is laughable  
KDubbs : 3/17/2019 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14344114 Greg from LI said:
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Crap team from a weak conference


Try not to lose to a 16 seed this year
RE: St John's making the tournament is laughable  
Del Shofner : 3/17/2019 8:51 pm : link
In comment 14344114 Greg from LI said:
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Crap team from a weak conference


Yeah - I was surprised they made it and although I root for them I can't say they deserved it. Not really sure what the committee was thinking.
Hi dupe!  
Greg from LI : 3/17/2019 8:52 pm : link
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RE: Hi dupe!  
KDubbs : 3/17/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14344121 Greg from LI said:
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Eh, not really a dupe. Just an old foe(kwhite2250) from rangers/isles and other threads. Just f’ing around with you. I got nothing else as being a st johns fans blows
Duke REALLY lucked out  
Anakim : 3/17/2019 9:09 pm : link
Seems like Michigan State is their only barrier to a trip to the Final Four. If Duke was in a stronger bracket, they may not have made it past the Sweet 16. They have NO shooters.
Ohio State in with an 8-12 conference record  
Jints in Carolina : 3/18/2019 7:33 am : link
awesome!
aha  
Greg from LI : 3/18/2019 8:47 am : link
I don't get why people change their screen names, but whatever.

Jints, that's nothing - Oklahoma got in with a 7-11 conference record.
RE: Ohio State in with an 8-12 conference record  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/18/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14344343 Jints in Carolina said:
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awesome!


When they popped up on the screen, I did a double-take. That is NOT a tournament team in any way, shape or form.
Think OSU got a pass  
Kyle in NY : 3/18/2019 10:38 am : link
for games lost without their best player, Wesson. But I agree, they started 12-1 and lost 13 out of 20 to end the season. Road wins at Cincinnati and Creighton propped up their resume but those were early on. The way they played lately, even with Wesson, was not tournament caliber. But it was a really weak bubble this season. 19-14 and not even one of the last four in.
I'm excited about VCU's draw....  
Britt in VA : 3/18/2019 10:57 am : link
We get UCF in Columbia SC on Friday night. If Marcus Evans plays, and is able to play decently, we have a good shot at getting a matchup with Duke.

Also, this is the first time that we've played fairly close to Richmond, and our fans travel well. Should be exciting.
RE: aha  
Jints in Carolina : 3/18/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14344421 Greg from LI said:
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I don't get why people change their screen names, but whatever.

Jints, that's nothing - Oklahoma got in with a 7-11 conference record.


Yikes, I am not implying that my Wolfpack belongs in the tourney but they did go 9-9 in a conference that has three #1 seeds overall and to not get chosen over teams that went 7-11 and 8-12 in weaker conferences is a little absurd.
RE: Duke REALLY lucked out  
MetsAreBack : 3/19/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14344134 Anakim said:
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Seems like Michigan State is their only barrier to a trip to the Final Four. If Duke was in a stronger bracket, they may not have made it past the Sweet 16. They have NO shooters.


Fuck Duke .... but .... if MSU is the number overall 5 seed and Michigan is 8, especially since MSU beat them handily on Sunday - then why would MSY be sent to face the number 1 overall why Michigan faces number 4 out west? I know the committee doesn't do a S curve, but in this case there's no real travel benefit to one over the other so it's just very confusing why you would choose to make the west bracket so weak and make MSUs life so difficult.

Also the committee spares UVA from facing Kentucky in Louisville - which is the right thing to do even though in an ideal world two plays seven and instead uva now has to face 6.... but for the life of me I still don't understand them how Kentucky is not worthy of a sweet 16 home crowd .... but Kansas as a worse seed is. It's not right.
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